Heh, someone tried to say my solver didn't work

named a puzzle that said was impossible

Wasn't impossible -- just ridiculously hard.

"Just"

yeah try it for yourself

7-4 Squirtle in the 10x10 workshop puzzles

I beat it without guessing... and it was pretty good

Sometimes, coding stuff for the hell of it ends up in ... surprising results. I'm not sure they are useful results, but it's something I really didn't expect. Specifically, the "stuff" was "running Lloyd's relaxation algorithm on a set of 10k random points in a square 20 times, then rendering the resulting Voronoi diagram."

I might just have created a very expensive algorithm for skin or leather texture.

Staring at it for more than 10 seconds makes me dizzy, 10/10

@MartinSojka yes, very very expensive =p

steamcommunity.com/app/476460/discussions/0/333657334439813612

Don't challenge the dev :D

Shut that down

"How to not present a technology tree."

@jgallant but you remained polite with him. :)

This is from FreeCiv's Wiki, by the way. To be fair, it is a free, open-source game; not a commercial one.

:)

what do you think of this autosize thing?

Really?

its for the editor

Work proxy doesn't block reddit but its blocking stack's imgur

lol, so its basically blocking reddit.

Blocking imgur is okish, but blocking even the stack subdomain is dumb

Half SE won't make sense without images

@jgallant imgur is banned in turkey, hence Reddit is not popular at all in turkey.

Wut

Reddit is introducing their own image hosting service though, so yeah, it might get more popular

Why ban an image hosting site?

images are evil

@DH. why ban 114264 sites (list of banned sites in turkey - some most links there are nsfw, so I don't recommend checking the list at a workplace)?

Basically github was recently banned too. Archive.org is still banned.

Doesn't make sense, reddit isn't blocked but imgur is, wtf

reddit was banned for a few days last year anyways

Ah OK, then they really hate the internet

I'll make sure to never visit Turkey even after everything has been settled up

whatever I'm going way too paranoid while reading this book and might ditch windows anyways. I'll use vpn 7/24 if that's the case.

@DH. nah turkey is an amazing place, make sure to visit it before you die, but yeah, I'd recommend waiting for stuff to settle a bit more

imgur.com/a/QZY2l

I can only agree. Turkey is awesome. Fuck the current political climate there though.

AHHH how will I procrastinate without being able to see imgur images?

@DH. glorious vpn master race

OK so the only link that still works is direct access to the images i.imgur/whatever.png

i.stack.imgur and imgur itself don't work anymore

@Tyyppi_77 that's the case in turkey too

You know what the best part about being able to code?

I am going to be supporting a bunch of custom sizes -- so I needed to have preview images like this of various widths and heights...

So instead of doing every permutation -- I just coded it

@jgallant looks nice

144 permutations possible

Coding definitely makes things like that easier:-)

I remember doing tedious math calculations in college. I wrote a simple program to do them for me, it was nice!

(I should have made it show it's work, which would have gotten me more points, but...)

coding makes life easier

but sleeping harder

^ the ludum dare 35 week. No data = no sleep.

Almost 11 hours sleeping, heaven

Simple coding makes life easier.

Complex coding,well, not so much...

@DH. I have to agree

I'm not getting much sleep since school started, unfortunately. Sleeping a lot on weekends and on wednesdays (I'm taking a third weekend day as constant stress doesn't go well with a person trying to get used to antidepressants), but not much on other days.

gah... someone do a quick sanity check for me

i have a unity 2d project, on start i have this

this._orbitDistance = (this.transform.parent.localPosition - this.transform.localPosition).magnitude;
this._orbitAngle = Mathf.Rad2Deg * Mathf.Atan2(this.transform.localPosition.y - this.transform.parent.localPosition.y, this.transform.localPosition.x - this.transform.parent.localPosition.y);

oh.. you cant do code tags in chat? lol

ah better

but then when i do

Vector2 newV2 = new Vector2(this._orbitDistance*Mathf.Sin(this._orbitAngle), this._orbitDistance*Mathf.Cos(this._orbitAngle));
this.transform.localPosition = newV2;

the object moves even though it shouldnt... is my math flawed or what?

ah... yeah you might be right on that one

even when i remove the

Mathf.Rad2Deg *

it still moves

Although, it looks like its moving by exactly 0.5*Pi, which seems a bit coincidental..

Ah scratch that last comment, only that when it the exact position it was in...

I can try flipping them, i didnt think the order made a difference

yup

you nailed it

thanks :)

Out of interest, does anyone know the reason sin/cos have to be in that order?

bad apparently

ah

yeah wasn't thinking of it like that

pretty obvious now you've put it visually lol

haha

@Tyyppi_77 so technically you're a cryptosoufi

Soufi's are all about spinning

(stupid joke)

It's where "Whirling Dervishes" come from

It still didn't make sense, but whatever...

cause he's obsessed with spinning things at the moment? (I did say it was a stupid joke.)

But I bet a game based on whirling Dervishes would be pretty sweet. Tasmanian devil meets bumper cars

only instead of getting bumped into the edge of the ring, you get bumped into lava or something

workshop browser pre-alpha

seems like a lot on screen at once, but I think 50 is acceptable.

I also added ban support, hehe

might make it 40

I can't see anything so IDK if you already did that but

A random button would be nice, if possible

meh.

Random Unplayed Level ... i guess I can do that

You know, for those moments you can't care for searching for a level

@jgallant I think it's a good idea

So fuckin do it. :)

gonna have to

yeah DH will DDoS your app if you don't

He would have to DDoS steam

he knows how to target just your app

lol

Hey @Almo -- thanks for the heads up on Cameron Browne. Reading his paper on Elegance in Game Design as we type

@DukeZhou Got a link?

cameronius.com/games/shibumi/browne-elegance-5.pdf

Cheers

It's quite good

(I hope to one day write a paper on "Balanced Asymmetry" in game design but I gotta get some cred first

ooo :)

Tallowmere looks pretty fun btw

aww thanks :) yeah a few people seem to like it!

@DukeZhou sure :)

Was it difficult setting up the server-side for mutiplayer?

@DukeZhou my publiushed boardgame is asymmetric

@Almo link?

nestorgames.com/#linkage_detail

that's the deluxe version

Is Nestor an Odyssey reference?

only one exists, I have it. :)

no it's his actual name

It is a sweet looking prototype though

not a proto

deluxe edition. just so expensive nobody has bought one

I got mine at cost.

@DukeZhou hmm, is that question aimed at me or Almo? My game only has local co-op atm... the sequel I've shown off, been using TNet which comes with its own exe you run as a server, not much setup involved

Networking prototypes is easy, but full-scale networking stuff is hard >_<

Ok, less confused now. :)

I just ramble on and hope I covered something useful somewhere lol

@ChrisMcFarland at you. How are you doing the local?

Is it bluetooth or wifi?

Well, "local" for me means shared/split-screen, not networked

ic

My game is going to be head-to-head on the same tablet initially (or vs. AI)

But the sequel I'm toying with, yeah wifi or network, netsockets too, haven't tried bluetooth but I know that's a thing for people that just wanna play in the same room on the go

Cool

My programmer is giving me a timeframe of between 6 mos. to a year for the networked multiplayer

full time?

He

Li

He's a college student, so only part-time for now

partly also depends on the response to the pre-Alpha teaser

depending on the complexity of the game, 6 months to a year sounds reasonable

networking is a nightmare

Game is super simple, but, yeah, the network infrastructure side seems to be the hurdle

and having to deal with disconnects, lag, let alone testing, router issues, firewalls/ports, just the complexity of it all, ugh :)

but at least it's been done many times before, so we won't have to go re-inventing any wheels.

I have no plans to do a networked game as a home project

just too damned much work

makes sense

at Steam Dev Days recently, one of the talks was about large-scale networking servers and handling everything... the stuff you have to deal with for MMOs and Counter-Strike, Battlerite, other games, DDoS attacks, do you use a VPS, or buy existing racks, or install your own hardware, just absolutely insane how much stuff is involved on any level

I'd be happy enough getting a LAN-only version going lol

Luckily, our game is the soul of elegance and efficiency. Each move can be sent with a single byte, and there are max 81 moves for the base game

It seems like the main server load will be related to matchfinding

Combinatorial game, so very simple

nice

turn-based?

turn-based is way easier than real-time

i've written a few turn-based networked games

Yup. Turn-based. (or "sequential" in fancy CGT jargon)

just saying that makes me miss playing moonbase commander :(

lol :(

my favorite turn-based strategy game I think

shame the AI is so horrible and the network code so shitty

I programmed the prototype myself, but when I started looking into the network architecture, I decided it would be a good idea to get a real programmer who is pursuing a Computer Science degree

they used Microsoft Direct Play

which needs a couple million ports open to work

Stategy game AIs are so unsatisfying in general

agreed

@Almo hahaha. what was about about the netcode though?

I've gotten several people to install the game and we just couldn't get it to connect

it can work, but if you're not on a LAN it's quite tricky

;(

re: moonbase commander -- my programmer wanted me to try Planetary Annihilation. Great vision, but the game is buggy as hell and the AI laughable

even one place it didn't work on a lan because it was a startup without a pro network tech and they gave each computer a different workgroup.

PA looks like more TA or Supreme Commander, which I never liked.

Just don't agree with Chris Taylor on RTS design

The interaction of multiple planets is really cool, but the game can't really handle that scope

I recall reading that Total Annihilation, the game contains 3D models, but renders them into sprites during the initial load

(at least not on my processor/GPU, which exceeds the minimum requirements.)

@ChrisMcFarland wouldn't surprise me

Warcraft was about as RTSy as I ever got back in the day

I am not good at multitasking lol

The real problem with RTS is the interface imo

Fine for PvP when both players have the same burden, but problematic vs a AI, which doesn't have to dick around with keyboard and mouse

Much prefer Turn-Based Strategy

haha yeah totally

can be painful

I believe there will be a way to bring real balance to an RTS sim in the future by expanding the scope with ridiculously large gameboards, but it seems like the technology for something like is always 5-10 years away, sort of like fusion power

One of my favorite things about Minecraft is how ridiculously large the worlds are

Nothing better than wandering off and getting truly lost in a virtual world

that's why I bought Cube World

but then it never got updated again

reading that Elegance paper, I like this Shibui term :)

Too bad. Cube World looks really good. (hard to compete with the Minecraft juggernaut though)

Yeah. Shibui!

Yavalath I think is the first game to come from his AI, but I don't like it much. It works, but it's too much trying to manipulate your opponent into making a move that allows you to win.

Just a personal thing I find annoying in abstracts.

His game generating AI is a cool concept, but I'm guessing it can only tweak existing mechanics with other existing mechanics.

Still pretty impressive that it generated something some people actually really like.

On my game, 2p version, I always play the second, disadvantaged player

more challenge?

I can't beat myself as P2, but I've only lost a few times with players I coached up

I hate it

Every move is a potential zugzwqang until the opponent makes a suboptimal move

We have ways to balance it out, but it was important to test the core game with the fewest rules first

But the overall complexity is great enough with 81 moves max, most people don't even realize Player 2 is disadvantaged

It's also not "all or nothing" so in tournaments of matched sets between players of comparable skill, it will be all about getting a tiny edge over the course of multiple games.

Like, if you realize your losing, you can switch to a defensive strategy to minimize your loss

Nobody does that-they go all out-but it's a workable strategy

haha :)

turtling is boring

it is, it is

On larger order gameboards however, it won't be quite as workeable

to turtle

the main advantage to the basic game is the ~10 min play time for Chess-level complexity

but I assume the player base will dictate which of the wide array of variations are most heavily adopted

Good looking pooch

(I love when dogs wear hats or sunglasses, although the Xmas antlers are my favorite

@jgallant I see you finally got it ;)

heh

That's a lot of dosh

I want one tho...

(does it come with that song pre-loaded?)

Wow. A Facebook fake post actually yielded an interesting article: mentalfloss.com/uk/technology/32106/…

(On the underlying purpose of the free Windows games such as Solitaire and Minesweeper

what else should I add here?

meh this is fine for now.

@JoshPetrie Is it ok to flag comments such as this one (gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/131838/…) as obsolete?

or