Game Development

Shen Ruki

12:03 AM

chinadaily.com.cn/business/motoring/2015-04/17/…

user92578

9:02 AM

Good Day

Kevin van der Velden

9:48 AM

\o

user92578

procrastination is in progress again

user92578

I've been thinking about adding actions to triggers, but I'm not sure if that's something I'll need

user92578

12:29 PM

I'm writing a Python script to make Tiled fullscreen

user92578

Starting to feel like shit like this should be included with the application

MickLH

12:50 PM

@Tyyppi_77 Do you have something else to provide this?

How do you trigger the booby traps when the player walks through the tripwire?

user92578

Well probably with these actions

user92578

Otherwise I'd have to do if (trigger->GetName() == "TriggerTripwire") BoobyTrap(); in the player class

MickLH

lol fuck that!

user92578

which works okay for stuff like ladders & damage

MickLH

Unless you only have like 5 different gameplay classes in total combining all those things... lean towards the data driven approach

user92578

12:53 PM

fuck what?

MickLH

If booby traps are the final gameplay feature, and then you're done though.... Hack it right in!

Fuck hard-coding the triggers and actions

user92578

Well I've already got the base classes for the actions done

user92578

I just need to add those to a test level and try to see how I'm going to load them

user92578

But first I need to finish this fucking script for making a window fullscreen

MickLH

I can't imagine the horror of trying to develop your levels if you need to re-compile, re-load, and get up to the point in question, every time you change a level

user92578

12:55 PM

Thanks Tiled for not implementing a fucking F11

user92578

That's not what's going to happen

user92578

The Trigger data is going to be in the level file

user92578

So everytime I change a level, I can just reload the level ingame

user92578

I don't even have to restart the game

MickLH

So only the trigger and action names are hard-coded?

user92578

12:56 PM

Yeah

MickLH

It seems a bit silly to me to call them triggers and actions, if you hard code tripwire and trap into there

Just call them "tripwires" and "traps"

Tripwire0 -> Trap0

But it's just triggers and actions again

I would just not hard code the names

user92578

I don't think I'm getting your point (please don't get mad because of that)

MickLH

I'm literally, infinitely more mad that you said that last part. (As I was not mad at all, originally)

user92578

Sorry

MickLH

@Tyyppi_77 I have allured to several points, and not nailed any one of them down concretely.

user92578

1:00 PM

It's just that we've had tricky moments where I've not completely understood your point

user92578

So in a general level, how would you do those then?

MickLH

I'll just spew examples... Lets say you have an trigger and you want it to do 2 actions, you're gonna either need to put a list of actions on every trigger, or you're going to need something like a "splitter" action, that triggers 2 triggers

The latter would be horribly awkward, like choosing brainfuck as a scripting language

user92578

lol yeah

MickLH

Lets say you have a trigger for a checkpoint, do you want to call it a "tripwire". Even if you don't mind stretching it, do you want to call saving a checkpoint a "trap"?

user92578

no

MickLH

1:03 PM

So to me, that would be my argument for having it configurable, and not hardcoding any names in

Otherwise you'll end up with a huge list of every possible name for anything you've used somewhere in any level

user92578

The names are of course defined in the level editor

user92578

but that's not what you meant, i just got that

MickLH

Yeah I'm losing track of what we're on about anymore

user92578

lol yeah

MickLH

I vaguely remember we were talking about hard coding events or something? lol

user92578

1:04 PM

So basically as I add a trigger in the level editor

user92578

I'd add a few XML child elements to it, one for every action I want it to execute

MickLH

Ah ok thanks jesus

user92578

I would probably use something like <Action type="SpawnAction" type="Enemy" position="Relative" />

user92578

Well probably a bit different, but you get the idea

user92578

At loading, I would attach all the actions to the trigger that owns them

user92578

1:06 PM

And when the player first time collides with the trigger, the trigger would loop trough all the actions and execute them

MickLH

I had a similar approach, except I made the <Action> tag into something like a named script function, and then the <Trigger> tag could have a list of action names.

Basically, added one extra layer to the way you did it

Because, an entity could have child entities, and could access their actions just like local ones, using "childName.actionName" instead of just "localActionName"

You could achieve the same thing with your structure, by adding a <SendTrigger> action instead

user92578

You had scripting available, right?

MickLH

I actually ended up cutting out scripting languages from the core

And packaging it as an optional addon

I'm not saying my way is the right way, at all

It's just how I'm doing it these days trying to make my god damn game happen

The decision making behind ditching scripting goes very deep though

1. It's not actually necessary so long as the event system is turing complete
2. You often need boilerplate code and dry text copied from samples
3. The popular languages don't give me the freedom to screw with the runtime fully, I want to implement a global distributed execution context between server and all clients, with a "thread" per client, like I did for my web dev language

Jon

what the heck

user92578

My script works fine if I don't have a folder called "Tiled" opened in the windows explorer

MickLH

1:22 PM

lol, follow the HWND all the way up to the HINSTANCE, then from that get the path to the executable, make sure it's the right one

user92578

oh

MickLH

sorry my windows is rusty, haven't WinAPI'd in years

user92578

It's a tricky process

Jon

kinda ilke hacky sack

user92578

I'm doing this in Python, so finding a good WinAPI function isn't enough, I then have to locate the correct PyWin32 module

MickLH

1:24 PM

Can't python just import a C function directly from the OS?

I just assumed all languages that people don't instantly bash to death could do that

It seems like something to bash a language to death over, if it can't

user92578

No idea

user92578

It'd be easier to just find a window by a process name

MickLH

Seems easier to do it in C++ to me lol, just call a couple WinAPIs and quit

user92578

handle = win32ui.FindWindow(None, "Tiled")

user92578

This is what I do now

user92578

1:26 PM

I can't find from the docs what happens if there are two windows with the title "Tiled"

MickLH

looks about the same as the C++ version except with extra typing :P

user92578

Yeah

MickLH

Oh!

user92578

It's almost the same code that I use in GunHero for changing a window to fullscreen

MickLH

Search by window class, not by title

user92578

1:27 PM

What's the class?

MickLH

That should give you better odds, it's just some weird string you can supply

People like to supply it I think, it's usually just some short simple thing that kinda half-ass makes sense for each app

user92578

That's something the executable specifies?

MickLH

Also, you could just switch to an EnumWindows loop, and check every open window too

user92578

True

MickLH

Yes

I made a program that let me make windows translucent on XP back in the day

I made it so that the hotkeys targeted whatever you were moused over

You could probably do something like that, to make a generic full-screen hotkey

user92578

1:32 PM

Could do that

Hjorthenify

@Tyyppi_77 What are you trying to achieve with Python?

user92578

I think I'll just use GetForegroundWindow()

user92578

Making Tiled fullscreen

Hjorthenify

Isn't tiled open source?

user92578

Yeah

user92578

1:35 PM

But it's annoying as hell to do stuff in

Hjorthenify

So you make a script for it? :P

user92578

Yup

Hjorthenify

That sounds annoying as well

user92578

Who the fuck would develop an application that doesn't have F11

Hjorthenify

Well.

Kevin van der Velden

1:37 PM

@Tyyppi_77 everyone?

Who the fuck wants an application in fullscreen?

user92578

everyone?

Hjorthenify

Not me

Kevin van der Velden

No?

user92578

who the fuck wants to see the title screen?

user92578

level editing is nice with a big view

Kevin van der Velden

1:38 PM

Noone, but the taskbar is pretty handy

MickLH

Wait, is this entire script about the difference between maximize and fullscreen?

user92578

which you can get by moving your mouse to the bottom of the screen

Kevin van der Velden

Not if it's full screen

user92578

user92578

Windowed fullscreen is a type of fullscreen mode

user92578

1:40 PM

So yeah

user92578

The script launches Tiled, waits 5 seconds, and then fullscreens the current active window

MickLH

I won't be ridiculous, trying to argue against your opinion lol

user92578

Windowed fullscreen is awesome

MickLH

but... I severely doubt that the time spent developing this script, can pay for itself in time saved developing levels with like 2 cm more screen space :P

user92578

No blinking, taskbar, etc.

user92578

1:40 PM

@MickLH true, but I like that things look cool

MickLH

It might pay for itself emotionally lol, but then that's a whole can of worms to open in a discussion

Almo

Time to decide on my central data repository for my Unity project

user92578

hmm the tiled icon is not working on the shortcut on the taskbar

user92578

anways i gotta go vahcoom, bb in ~20mins

Hjorthenify

@Almo SQLite

Almo

1:45 PM

hahah i don't mean storage, I'll just use some data files for that

I mean like where are the user's custom colors stored for use at runtime

probably a singleton of some sort

ok game object set NOT DESTROY and on start up it checks if it exists. if not, make.

should be good enough

Hjorthenify

Unity has such a wierd way of creating singletons

Jon

When people ask me what I do with computers, I send them this

Tim and Eric - Celery Man

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MickLH

2:19 PM

That has to be the best way to explain everything unambiguously and directly.

TheMuffinCoder

3:11 PM

Sp pretty

| PigArt | BLENDER Low Poly: House In The Forest [FULL]

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Joe

hes good!

Almo

ok dat's enough unity dev for now

got my color table implemented, saving and loading

and instantiated when the game starts

Jon

3:35 PM

pics

Threw It On The Ground

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Joe

happy birthday to the ground

Jon

@TheMuffinCoder that is why I like to leave the art to an artist

TheMuffinCoder

@Jon lol i was trying to make a low poly shiba inu (doge) bue I failed :P

He made that dog so easily ; - ;

| PigArt | BLENDER Timelapse: Low poly Wolf

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user92578

@Jon awesome

user92578

maaaaaan, this ain't my dad

user92578

3:47 PM

this is a cellphone

OMGtechy

4:01 PM

@Jon My Dad's not a phone.

Jon

You can't buy me hotdot man

user92578

I also love how the story teaches me a nice thing about life

user92578

you can't trust the system

Shen Ruki

Patrick Wyatt: bit.ly/1MtqO5C

he programmed the player network for blizzard games

user92578

Turns out Tiled's custom properties don't support nesting

user92578

4:15 PM

which is really odd

user92578

Build an interface ontop of XML -> Don't add nesting -> Make your users happy -> ??? -> profit

user92578

It really fucking sucks

user92578

Because now I can't specify any parameters to my actions

Jon

i just created a level I really like

user92578

nice

Jon

4:18 PM

level creation is going to take some time, as it is basically just me tweaking random scenes

maybe I should write something that would lay down random prefabs and I could refresh until I get a good starting canvas

Kevin van der Velden

@TheMuffinCoder well it's easy if you cut out the years of experience he has

user92578

I might have to do this stuff manually in XML... but I'm not even sure if that'll work

user92578

Or do some weird parameters-depend-on-order stuff

Shen Ruki

what I love about blizzard in all their software is in-house save openGL

user92578

So looks like I gotta do this: <property name="Actions" value="TriggerSpawnAction (count=1; x=100; y=100; xRange=16; yRange=0;), TriggerAction"

user92578

4:26 PM

and then parse the stuff in the parenthesis while I load the actions

Almo

4:37 PM

@ShenRuki Hearthstone is done with Unity

Joe

@Jon did you ever find a better fix to this: answers.unity3d.com/questions/835132/…

Shen Ruki

wasn't aware of that. any other games? data maybe

dota*

user92578

Dota is Valve's game

Almo

the dota mod was just a warcraft III mod

dota 2 is source engine i think

Shen Ruki

I tried hearthstone. wasn't entertaining for me

user92578

4:42 PM

yup, source engine 2

user92578

parsing strings is so much fun!

user92578

NOOOOT

Jon

@Joe yeah

Joe

PlayerSettings? or something else

Jon

that github link is a plugin that fixes the behaviour

github.com/hvs-clark/unity-android-rotation-lock

just drop it into your plugins folder

actually, import the package

github.com/hvs-clark/unity-android-rotation-lock/tree/master/…

anyways, gotta go, bbl

Shen Ruki

4:52 PM

sdl or libgdx

Joe

cool ty

Shen Ruki

hm libgdx comes with cool tools

user92578

i gotta go

user92578

string parsing continues tomorrow

bazola

libGDX is awesome

Shen Ruki

4:58 PM

doesn't minecraft use it

bazola

i doubt that very much hehe

Shen Ruki

yeah you're right I read something wrong.

Sigur Ros Hljomalind

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Shen Ruki

5:21 PM

I was thinking lwgl

bazola

but libGDX is still awesome, you can build cross platform games very fast

ujwal dhakal

my emulator damn slow

Rendering failed with a known bug. Please try a rebuild.

Shen Ruki

6:03 PM

falling in love with lwgl

Jon

9:07 PM

falling in love is crazy man.

next thing you know, you are divorcing, and lwgl is taking half of everything you learned

Almo

9:33 PM

hahah

Jon

9:50 PM

vimeo.com/134246265

Almo

@Jon yeah

that was good

TheMuffinCoder

🎂 Much baking 🎂

🎂 Such delishus 🎂

🎂 wow 🎂

help am being corrupted by doge memes

Jon

10:04 PM

Yahhhhh

TheMuffinCoder

@Jon urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yahhh

Jon

Yahhhhh

TheMuffinCoder

I finished making the back legs for my doge model...

Now the scary part of continuing...

Jon

10:47 PM

just wing it man

also, why>?

you putting a doge in your game?

Hjorthenify

11:35 PM

@TheMuffinCoder Why did i read that in Arnold Scwartcheneggers voice?

TheMuffinCoder

xD

@Jon nope just for practice :P

Jonathan

My brain hurts

Hjorthenify

Good

Jonathan

11:51 PM

If I want the player to remain static in the center of the screen, I have no other choice than to move all other elems when player moves right

Hjorthenify

What are you making this in?

Jonathan

HTML Canvas

Shen Ruki

you could have a camera move with it the character

Hjorthenify

^

Just about to write that

Jonathan

ok, so I keep track of the x/y offset on the 'map'. That could work

Hjorthenify

11:55 PM

Trying to make the new Agar?

Jonathan

?

Hjorthenify

agar.io

Jonathan

Just googled it, yes it appears so

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