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9:20 AM
@PaulWhite yes, just your name was stamped on all of them :)
 
@dezso I'm quick on the queues :)
 
@PaulWhite I'm not, recently...
good luck on this:
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Q: Postgres 9.0 recovery from inadvertent drop-all-tables event

John PDue to a accidental config file check-in, a unit test wiped out our entire production database (did a drop, then re-created the tables). Trying to restore from backup revealed the recent backups were corrupted and the only valid backup we have is just over 1 year old. What are my options for re...

 
9:36 AM
@dezso they're probably going out of business I guess
 
@JackDouglas sigh
this happens too often
 
It's a good reminder that backups that aren't tested probably won't work.
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11:42 AM
@JackDouglas Someone ought to compile a list of these somewhere and make a blog post about robust backup strategy.
 
 
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1:30 PM
@AaronBertrand @JNK are you surviving the storm?
 
1:44 PM
Yeah it wasn't as bad as they predicted. Can't see our driveway but looks to be less than a foot. Good wind right now though.
 
@AaronBertrand I like snowdrifts /me ducks
 
@AaronBertrand so no "historic" storm?
 
Not yet, still snowing though
 
JNK
@bluefeet yeah it wasn't bad here at all
Still coming down but I got maybe 5 inches
And I'm totally fine with that
Long Island got blasted though
 
System did not move as fast as they expected (and New Yorkers are blasting the mayor for it - like he controls the weather).
They're all pissed off because he shut down the subway last night as a precautionary measure. So he should have held off until the storm actually hit?
Meanwhile I'm not sure if it's legal for me to get out on the roads but I need a coffee
> Please advice!
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Q: finding out the Backup set physical name

Info23I created a maintenance plan to back up two user databases and system databases over a month ago. I queried the msdb database to view the size of the backups using the following query. SELECT bs.database_name, bs.type, (bs.backup_size/1024)/1024 [BackupSize (MB)], (bs.compressed_backup_size/...

 
JNK
2:01 PM
@AaronBertrand I'm not sure if its OK here either
and yeah it's funny how NYC reacted
I read a thing today that every store was out of kale
 
JNK
the borecole
It's a trendy "super food" right now
 
@JNK I saw the opposite - store shelves were completely bare except for the kale
 
JNK
I frigging hate kale
my wife loves it
 
@JNK it's very popular here, too
 
2:04 PM
Last Shit On the Shelf: Even under threat of starvation in New York City you still can't sell all the kale. http://t.co/0HRjQpYo0V
 
So who's to blame, if the Pats were under-inflated but the refs approved them? How is this different from Rodgers trying to get away with over-inflated balls and the refs approving them?
Why aren't those oneboxing?
 
JNK
I think just statuses onebox
thats a status/photo/1 link
and the pics don't unless they end in a pic extension
 
The second one isn't but I guess twitter won't let you just source the image
I tried to upload the image URL and it failed
 
JNK
Here's what our sources told us what happened regarding the Patriots footballs at the AFC Championship. http://t.co/Hz0fgFgjoE
it oneboxes if i drop the photo
 
2:09 PM
Anyway, a source claims the balls were given to the refs slightly under-inflated (not two pounds!) and they expected them to top them off (which other sources claim is the ref's job), but they didn't, they just approved them. Lazy? Sting? Who knows.
 
@AaronBertrand I blame the refs, they reviewed the darn balls
 
Yep I agree - if that's their job, then they didn't do their job
 
How about the guy bringing all those balls into the rest room?
 
For 90 seconds? You think he had to piss maybe, or do you really think he could take exactly 2 pounds of pressure out of 11 balls in 90 seconds?
 
@AaronBertrand I was thinking about the same - he is either a pressure magician or there were some dwarfs hiding there, ready with manometers and whatever
 
2:13 PM
Anyway newer reports (e.g. on profootballtalk) say that only one single ball was found to be around 2psi short, the rest were all about 1psi short. More and more stuff coming out points to a combination of ref failure and weather than them intentionally cheating. I don't doubt that they try to skirt the low end of the psi range but I have very serious doubts that they intentionally made the balls that low.
So many people are still saying "well why didn't the Colts balls deflate too?" groan because Luck doesn't want his footballs at the low end, and they didn't play with fire - probably because they knew there was going to be an issue.
Can't wait to see what Goodell is going to do. If he's going to claim that the refs measured the balls in the proper range during pre-game inspection, he's going to have to prove it. Burden of proof is so far the opposite of current public opinion it's not even funny.
 
JNK
I find it both amusing and depressing how much thought, time, and energy has gone into dissecting this incident, which boils down to a couple of extra puffs of air in a ball used to play a game that grown men are paid millions of dollars to play and other grown people are paid millions of dollars to talk about. Meanwhile actual problems in the world go ignored.
 
Yeah me too, most of America wants it to be true because they can't stand the success in New England compared to their own team
 
JNK
yeah the Patriots are the Yankees of football
...but seriously people are getting killed by police in Egypt for attending a memorial service, there is absolutely insane stuff happening with monetary policy in Europe right now, and all anyone in this country can talk about are how much air was in these damn footballs.
 
...yep and ignoring the simplest explanations
 
JNK
yep, because why not keep arguing about it
 
2:24 PM
Instead of things like this
 
JNK
Yeah I read about that
As a parent and non-criminal I can tell you that if someone busts my door down in the middle of the night I will not react calmly
also not finding info about if RI roads are open, @AaronBertrand
 
2:41 PM
Looks like a no
Won't get an update until 11:30. I need coffee NOW
 
JNK
mine are open now
eastern part of state not so much
parts of CT got smashed
its coming down good now too
 
3:19 PM
Holy cow it's still above 30!
I'm going to be able to bike to work in my underwear!
For those of you who've met me in person I apologize for implanting the image of me in my underwear in your brain.
 
People really don't want to understand that you need to use ORDER BY if you want the results to be in a particular order
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Q: Can't order after aggregating for some reason

user2205454I've got a table which has the following format: Id | UserId | Date | Count 0 | 1 | 1-Dec-14 | 5 1 | 3 | 1-Dec-14 | 11 2 | 5 | 1-Dec-14 | 7 3 | 1 | 2-Dec-14 | 9 4 | 3 | 2-Dec-14 | 1 5 | 5 | 2-Dec-14 | 9 The values are int, int, date, int and are complete...

@bluefeet what would be a good close vote reason for this question?
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Q: Filtering Out Data While Leaving NULL values

MISNoleI'm trying to figure out how to filter out certain data types while leaving the record displayed if the value happens to be NULL. This picture shows what I am hoping to accomplish. For Drive ID 652132, I would only like the record with EMET=3 filtering out the other equipment types/description...

 
3:35 PM
@Lamak I'd actually leave it
Put this Month as Primary key, then you will get result in order but not 100% (good example stackoverflow.com/a/24922568/1692632) — Darka 4 mins ago
they should be slapped for assuming this would guarantee it
 
@bluefeet oh, sorry, the closing should be the second question I posted
 
@Lamak yeah I know. I'd leave it
it doesn't really fit any of the existing reasons
 
@bluefeet ah, ok then
 
It would be too localized in dba.se
 
@bluefeet It's just that if that comment answers it, I thought it should be closed somehow
 
3:37 PM
@Lamak you potentially could use why isn't this code working
 
3:55 PM
my data is disappearing
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Q: Mysql rows getting deleted after an unrelated insertion action happens in another table

Christian FeoI'll try to explain this as simple as possible, since it involves an ecommerce music site. So I have an app website based on CakePHP which is an ecommerce site, we sell online Music. The problem I'm having is that after someone buys an Album, the Genre rows of that album get Deleted, and then t...

 
What do you all like to use for database DDL change tracking? DDL trigger, audit, rely on the logs from a deployment system or source control tool, or something else?
 
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Q: DBA Stackexchange bug

JohnLooked in the help section to figure out where to post a bug report, it's minor but still. The candle icon for "Achievements" has a bug at least for my account where there is +12 rep for Stack Overflow and a +2 rep for DBA though no text to the right like all the other rows. When I go to Stack ...

 
@JamesLupolt DDL trigger because it catches things where people bypass source control, too.
And I like that better than audit because I can use the same solution regardless of edition.
 
5:01 PM
@Lamak Sounds complicated.
@AaronBertrand Obligatory blog post link?
 
please vtc this
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Q: SQL Pivot by data

alejandro carneroI have this procedure : alter proc rel_manipula(@inicio datetime,@fim datetime) as select A.codigoins, b.nomeid ,sum(a.qtd), a.dtmov from com_InsusTrans A inner join com_insus B on b.codigoins = a.codigoins where (a.dtmov >= @inicio) and (a.dtmov <= @fim) group by a.codigoins , b.nomeid, a.dtm...

 
5:29 PM
@AaronBertrand I prefer the DDL trigger myself too. The problem I've run into is that DACPAC deployments will drop the trigger if it's not in the database project. :)
 
6:00 PM
@JamesLupolt I like to use a system where the patches are actually prepared up front and tested in a smoke-test environment before they go anywhere near test or prod environments:
i. Prepare target schema
ii. Prepare patch
iii. Restore current version to smoke test environment
iv. Apply patch
v. Run a schema diff against the target schema.
Nothing goes into any test or prod environment without a patch script being prepared by someone.
 
@Zane haven't written one
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells but that defeats the whole model of DACPAC, which is to deploy things quickly, not correctly
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@AaronBertrand Oh dear, my bad.
 
Well that pretty much makes this query useless.
AND (Substring(CONVERT(varchar,[FDFundingDate],112),1,4) = COALESCE (@Year,Substring(CONVERT(varchar,[FDFundingDate],112),1,4)))
  AND (Substring(CONVERT(varchar,[FDFundingDate],112),6,2) = COALESCE (@Month,Substring(CONVERT(varchar,[FDFundingDate],112),6,2)))
  AND  (TitleUnderwriterGroup IN (SELECT VALUE FROM ServicingLibrary.dbo.StringParse(',',@TitleUnderwriterTitleUnderwriterGroup) WHERE VALUE = TitleUnderwriterGroup))
AND (DocumentType IN (SELECT VALUE FROM ServicingLibrary.dbo.StringParse(',',@DocumentDocument) WHERE VALUE = DocumentType))
/wrists
 
@Zane unperformant
 
BizzaroPerformant
Performance with an evil Goatee.
Why am I bothering to create and indexing strategy if we can't write a Sargable Query?
 
6:25 PM
and converting to varchar without the length?
 
JNK
it's amazing the crap people come up with when they don't know any better
and are just a little bit too clever
 
What's crazy is I keep hosting all of these training sessions and then I still see the same shit over and over.
 
What's crazy is you
 
JNK
is this in new code?
 
Also I don't know what's the deal with our statistics but I see this constantly.
@JNK yeah.
 
JNK
6:36 PM
@Zane is there a date/time parameter?
 
@DocumentDocument VARCHAR(max) = NULL,
@TitleUnderwriterTitleUnderwriterGroup varchar(max) = NULL,
@Year varchar(4) = NULL,
@Month varchar(2) = NULL,
@TitleUnderwriter varchar(60) = NULL,
@Document varchar(30) = NULL
 
JNK
what filters are used in the query in question though
month and year as strings?
if the query runs more than a couple of seconds you may benefit from an OPTION (RECOMPILE) on that query if it has a date filter that generates a crap plan
 
No clue man. I was just looking for new reports that are using this large table so that I can index it properly since it currently just has a PK that's on an auto incrementing integer.
An int there isn't referenced anywhere else.
 
Loving the @DocumentDocument parameter
 
This note is effing priceless.
PURPOSE: Detail for Title Underwriter report - Relational database.
For the first time in about 3 months I really want to have a cigarette....
 
6:46 PM
Try using NO LOCK() hints if locking is slowing down your query and you are good with "Dirty Read" — SoulTrain 2 hours ago
(the question is tagged with [mysql])
 
I'm really annoyed by that damn convert why the fuck cares what the date is formatted like! Why not just compare the year and the month then god dammit?!
Also the testing data left here is nonsense....
@Month varchar(15) = 'WFDHPAOM',
^not a month on this planet.
Sorry for the rant there folks but this is some stupid code.
Using that sample data here is my Results....
 
@Zane the IN subqueries seem silly, too.
 
You don't want to whip out the ole scalar function for that one? ;)
 
I can only guess what StringParse() does but do they mean something like @DocumentDocument LIKE '%,' + DocumentType + ',%' ?
 
[dbo].[StringParse](@delimiter [nvarchar](1), @string [nvarchar](max))
RETURNS TABLE (
[value] [nvarchar](4000) NULL
) WITH EXECUTE AS CALLER
AS
EXTERNAL NAME [ServicingLibrary].[ServicingLibrary.Library.StringParser].[InitMethod]
 
6:59 PM
Wow, unexplained downvotes ... serverfault.com/questions/662552/…
I feel special ..
lol noob doesn't know how to stackexchange
 
did you piss off a DBA user?
 
haha, probably
by not being around I bet
 
@jcolebrand yeah, that's what you get for slacking off
 
7:32 PM
So while I appreciate the extra eyes, I didn't expect the upvotes.
But I appreciate the boost
 
the power of the HEAP
 
@bluefeet we should all write a book
 
can I get one more close vote here?
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Q: SQL Pivot by data

alejandro carneroI have this procedure : alter proc rel_manipula(@inicio datetime,@fim datetime) as select A.codigoins, b.nomeid ,sum(a.qtd), a.dtmov from com_InsusTrans A inner join com_insus B on b.codigoins = a.codigoins where (a.dtmov >= @inicio) and (a.dtmov <= @fim) group by a.codigoins , b.nomeid, a.dtm...

 
what would it be called?
@bluefeet I will, but in a couple more years
 
I don't like signing off on smelly code
 
7:52 PM
I refuse to. I get to say yay or nay on all of the ETL that comes through. If it's not up the snuff then I get to say fix it. I don't care about the deadline or any of that crap. If they want to go over my head fine but my sign off will not be on something that's crappy.
 
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Q: Figures/Images not available

DeadZoneI searched the Help and the meta questions to see if this is something obvious. I've been reading several posts on the dba stackexchange and have so far come across 3 or 4 that have... Attachments? (See the attached "figure" in this post as an example.) And for each of them, it looks like the...

 
@Zane we are up against the end of our sprint and it's got to get to QA for validation. The code works but I know there are better, more performant (cc @AaronBertrand) ways to do it
 
8:14 PM
People are really pushing it I ask a guy on a scale from 1 to 10 how bad he needs something he says it's not a 10 but it has to be done by noon tomorrow?!
 
so, like a 9.8?
 
249,578,608 rows. No Clustered index. Also not a staging table.
@Lamak pretty much.
I need a drink!
 
8:33 PM
make that a couple of drinks
 
8:49 PM
@Lamak 9.845
 
that's ridiculous
 
9.86960440109
 
This is dumb
For the NFL to force a guy to be there at media day to answer media questions, knowing that he won't answer questions, is stupid
 
9:13 PM
you are welcome, I guess?
yes, thanks @Lamak — Naghibi 2 mins ago
 
@AaronBertrand Indeed. All of that stuff is stupid.
Of all the people I care to hear interviews from coaches and players are at the bottom of that list anyway.
It's not like they're going to have anything interesting to say.
 
I like hearing Belichick because he's so smug and doesn't bend for the media. Tells it like it is, doesn't answer questions he doesn't want to, and makes awesome and completely unexpected My Cousin Vinny references.
 
The image at the bottom of the kid snowboarding down Mission Hill is Priceless.
 
Most of the players are just towing the company line, yeah we're going to try hard, play our best, contain their best, yawn-fest. With a few exceptions, they're smart enough to not reveal anything interesting, because they know the other team is listening too.
 
Yerp
 
9:26 PM
I think the mayor made the right call. If he hadn't, and the storm was closer to predictions, and people got hurt or worse, those same fuckwits complaining that they had to be home by 11 would be calling for his head on a stake.
 
Agreed.
@AaronBertrand You guys got what? 20 Something?
 
2 feet in my yard right now, drifts up to 3 feet. Took Madeline for a walk in it, she loved it
 
Nice.
Ours is almost all gone...
 
JNK
I just shoveled my driveway
We had maybe 8 inches
 
Still snowing, so I'm not going to bother with it yet.
 
9:34 PM
^Weird...
 
JNK
weird that it's so warm?
 
Yes.
I biked in without any sort of coat today.
Average for this day in February is 17
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells We have some variation of that for most apps at work. However, right now every app has a different deployment method, with some using change scripts, others using DACPACs, and others using various other tools. The apps using DACPAC deployments typically get the worst results and the weirdest unexpected changes compared to any other method.
 
Scratch 17 WeatherUnderground is broken at work. It didn't actually adjust the date.
 
@JamesLupolt I've been pretty underwhelmed by automated DB deployment in general.
 
9:44 PM
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells The change script method has empirically been the most reliable. It's also the method that creates the most DBA monkey work (reviewing and testing change scripts written by 'agile' developers and arguing with them), at least until something goes wrong.
 
You need a DevOps analyst.
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells We have two of them. They are responsible for this mess. : )
 
One way I do change control is to build test environments from the main data model. Then tests are run on that environment. Then you test that the change scripts actually change to that DB schema.
Let me rephrase that.
You need a *competent* DevOps analyst
 
JNK
I'm interested to hear this since the boss had me looking at octopus deploy
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Agreed. : )
 
9:48 PM
@JNK for the database? shudder
 
Oh well, the COTW grand unified theory of I.T. staffing still applies:
Incompetence goes up to the 95th percentile of the I.T. industry.
 
I think the current plan is to get a better audit or some DDL triggers in place shortly, so that we can prove what the deployments are actually doing on non-production environments before they hit prod.
 
@JamesLupolt You could also use a schema diff tool like Redgate SQL Compare
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Haven't been able to get anyone to pay for that here. The built-in one in Visual Studio isn't bad though.
 
Take your reference schema and the current version deployed.
Run the patch script
Do a comparison and check that the patch aligns the schema with the target.
 
9:51 PM
has anyone come up with a good way to force AG failover in the event of storage loss?
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells I think the other condition to watch out for is when the new schema matches the target, but the target includes some changes that someone didn't realise were there.
For example, this weekend, someone accidentally deployed a broken version of a view as part of an unrelated deployment.
 
@JamesLupolt That's why I like to build test environments from the repository data model rather than patches.
 
@JamesLupolt Have you suggested any of the principles here? thebertrandfamily.com/2012/04/20/…
 
Then you test in the environment from the repository model and use the schema diff tool to check that the patch scripts align the current build with the repository.
 
<--Changing a 2 year old process to include $ signs in the numbers we give the the source system. Never mind the fact that 100% of our inventory is US Dollars.
 
9:55 PM
@AaronBertrand I am so going to name drop you the next time I get into this particular argument.
 
@JamesLupolt The red gate tools are far superior to the Visual Studio ones. They're red gate's bread and butter, while Microsoft included rudimentary support to check a check box.
 
/sigh I'm going to leave earlier than I planned and get that drink.
Excuse me, those drinks.
 
Went to Uni with someone that works for Red Gate
 
@JamesLupolt Also, SQL Compare is quite cheap - an order of magnitude cheaper than visual studio.
 
Their tools aren't cheap
 
9:58 PM
@AaronBertrand I couldn't fault them when I used them in the past. The change scripts they created worked too. I'll probably make another attempt at getting someone to pay for it this year. Perhaps the arguments you make in that blog post will help.
 
@Phil SQL Compare pro is about £400. IIRC
The bundles are a bit pricier.
 
I think you can get a SQLtoolbelt license (or whatever they call it) for like £1000/person
That includes SQLCompare (can't remember if it includes the CLI though) and a bunch of other things.
 
@JamesLupolt If you can get that it comes with a while lot of other goodies as well. SQL Compare by itself is quite a lot cheaper than that.
SQL Compare Pro has the CLI.
 
JNK
@AaronBertrand right now we use some custom powershell scripts
which I do not love
 
@JNK That's the only deployment method we don't have
 
10:08 PM
@JNK custom powershell scripts to deploy DDL changes?
 
JNK
It's because we do some arcane branch and tagging
 
JNK
no for DDL we have SQL scripts we run manually
for OBJECTS we use the powershell
 
To me DDL = changes/additions to tables, procedures, functions, views, etc.
Any SQL script that doesn't manipulate data
 
JNK
we use the PS for stored procs, views, and functions
we write scripts for table creation etc
 
10:10 PM
Why? Those are so easy.
Even Management Studio can generate those.
 
JNK
which ones are easy? creation?
Mainly because we have to script it out once at least to create the table
so we use that script and it'll include constraints/indexes/etc
Also if its multiple tables they need to be in dependency order
also @AaronBertrand on an unrelated note SQL Sentry just saved my butt
I pushed a new version of a stored proc and deadlocks shot through the roof
 
guess not
 
JNK
I was able to use perf advisor to pinpoint the cause
 
@JNK Ruh roh raggy!
 
@JNK procedures, views, and functions - their definitions are so easy to pull. Changes to a table, on the other hand, are not very easy to generate from the metadata - those would seem to me to be more in PowerShell's wheelhouse.
@JNK sweet
iPhone revenue > (Microsoft revenue + Google revenue)
Think about that for a moment.
I remember when Bill Gates invested in Apple to prevent them from going bankrupt. Now Apple could buy Microsoft with cash
 
10:18 PM
@AaronBertrand That actually makes me a little sad.
 
JNK
@Zane oh it was awful
and we couldn't unroll I just had to fix it on the fly in prod
 
@AaronBertrand It's one of the advantages to having a cult as well as a tech company ;)
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bwahaha
 
My step brother has drank that kool aid more than anyone I know. 15 year old kid(with no job) spending every dime he has on the upcoming apple watch.
Alright I'm out. If I don't leave soon I'm going to punch some people in the head.
 
@swasheck Sorry, missed that the first time. I guess I'm not sure what you mean by good. Better than FORCE_FAILOVER_ALLOW_DATA_LOSS?
 
10:33 PM
@JamesLupolt meaning ... you lose disk ... errorlog fills with errors, but AG doesnt automatically detect it and force a failover to its synchronous replica. similar to the situation described here. connmove.eu/en/…
just didnt know if anyone had any experience with it
 
@swasheck Oh. I didn't even know about that. I'm only using it for DR with manual failover right now.
 
yeah. we're doing an HA test with Pure and killed all the paths to one node, expecting it to detect catastrophic disk loss and force a failover. it didnt.
 
10:47 PM
@swasheck I see. I have to test automatic failover for something this week, so I'll let you know if I find anything useful?
The Systems Administrators want us to stop using Failover Cluster Instances for automatic failover
Some of the phrasing in the blog post is a little odd. Are you seeing this even with only one database in an AG?
 
@JamesLupolt sure. we have AGs functioning just fine for the most part, but this is something that we just discovered. we have a 2+2 cluster (2 HA pairs, one of which is a DR pair) and we were hoping for automatic failover on disk loss
@JamesLupolt yep. single database in this AG
2 nodes in Denver, 2 nodes in NYC, and a fileshare witness in Dallas
 
2 nodes in London, 2 nodes in Manchester, and a fileshare witness under my desk
(Just joking)
 
bahahahahahahahahahaah
 
JNK
11:05 PM
@JamesLupolt "The server went offline!"..."Did you flip that light switch in my office with the tape over it?"
 
11:17 PM
or all the annoying flippity floppity dag nabbity friggin frags
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Q: Powershell 4 Get-ChildItem doesn't recognize parameter DnsName

jcolebrandWhat am I doing wrong? All the web says "to look in the Certificate provider to find certs with this dns name, use command Get-ChildItem -Path Cert:\LocalMachine\My -DnsName "Will we ever know?" and lo and behold, it ACTUALLY WORKS on most of my machines. see: https://technet.microsoft.com/e...

WHAT THE HECK
 
11:31 PM
@jcolebrand What happens if you just do a general gci?
No filter on -DnsName
 
11:43 PM
@jcolebrand Nm, I'm encountering the same thing on a couple machines here, but none of my certs stored have a DNS listing. It could be that the parameter is only valid if one of your keys has a DNS name associated with it, but that's just a blind stab.
 
Hey look, Marty Brodeur is retiring
 
@MikeFal I don't find the one I want .. but I get the installed certs
sorry, was afk
 
@billinkc Your package has left New Zealand
 
@jcolebrand On the one where it fails, are there values under DNSNameList?
 
ya know ...
I ran a gci -Path Cert:\LocalMachine\My | Foreach { $_.DnsNameList } and got nothing ...
Is that how you're testing this?
 

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