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12:40 AM
Another thing I'm noticing about the migration - and I don't care about the rep, but some might - is that if the migration happens late in the day (close to midnight UTC) and you've hit your rep cap already, the votes that didn't count still don't count even though the votes that pre-empted them no longer exist.
I haven't dug too deeply or tried a re-calc, just a casual observation from my phone.
 
1:01 AM
Wow. I got called a "SQL artist" today. That felt awesome.
 
 
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2:12 AM
Oh god. I logged a maintenance call for a loud buzzing from the oven in the kitchen. Turns out that it was actually from the timer.
Anyone got a "chief muppet" hat I can borrow?
(Either for me, or for the numpty that actually set the timer [that wasn't me, btw])
 
 
2 hours later…
3:45 AM
@ErikE I already thought of you that way man
 
 
4 hours later…
7:40 AM
All I can say is praise be that it's finally Friday evening
 
gbn
Morning all
 
evenin'
days like that one make me seriously reconsider my low-to-no-alcohol lifestyle
I had to spend four hours tidying up after our developers and our data architect, along with three hours on an unpaid 'favour' project for another government department
naturally the unpaid project with vague requirements and no schedule is gobbling like like a ravening monster
 
 
1 hour later…
9:18 AM
Morning.
 
@MarkStoreySmith Fancy a little soiree to the fleshpots of Bournemouth sometime next week? My friend from Zimbabwe is in town.
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Hah, sounds interesting. I'll see what I can do with the schedule... any particular evening in mind?
 
@MarkStoreySmith TBA, but most likely Tuesday or Thursday.
I'll keep you in the loop once we've worked out when.
 
Please do
 
9:23 AM
Deal.
 
9:35 AM
Evening
 
Bournemouth has fleshpots? I thought it was just a sign by the side of the road
 
@SimonRigharts Metaphorically speaking, although it does have nightlife - it's by the coast so it's a bit of a tourist spot in summer.
Although I imagine the soiree will mostly consist of drinking excessively and talking shite.
 
you? talking shite? Never.
 
9:40 AM
well I might be incredibly boring and toddle off to bed soon
 
@SimonRigharts Fair enough. Have a good weekend.
 
Here's hoping I don't get called
while the OT rate is tempting, I've had enough of work for one week
 
"Oh, dear - the pager didn't work. Infrastructure problem maybe?"
 
"What phone call? I didn't hear the phone go?" "That would be, Mr. Righarts, because you had it on silent." "Oh."
 
@SimonRigharts Well, if people wouldn't insist on calling during meetings ...
or, ...
I'm managing my work/life balance by disconnecting myself from the always-connected information overload and focussing on what's important. Your call was not important.
 
9:45 AM
The irritating thing is it's almost always trumped-up urgent calls that we get (i.e. someone needs access "right now") rather than actual infrastructure problems
where by "right now" I mean "check the server two days later to find they haven't even attempted to log in yet"
on the other hand, I guess not having many actual infrastructure problems is a good thing
 
I think the normal course of events goes something like:
BloggsJ gets some request and discovers he needs access
BloggsJ raises an 'urgent' helpdesk call
BloggsJ gets chased a few hours later and says he still doesn't have access
The person chasing BloggsJ says - oh, well, next week is fint
BloggsJ gets on with what he was doing before he got interrupted.
I think I may actually get some data that I need to work today rather than talking shite. In their infinite wisdom management have decided to allow a BAU team to be 'the single source of the truth' for a data warehouse project, so we're waiting for them to develop some extracts.
Note that we actually have a perfectly good ETL tool (well, OWB - perfectly good is probably overstating it a bit) and a team of ETL developers actually dedicated to the project.
Note that said BAU team don't actually have anybody dedicated to work on the project. They've managed to put a BAU team onto the critical path for a team with 3 perms and 3 contractors who are full time on the project.
In fact, for the scope, the project should really have been staffed with two analyst/programmers and about 1/10 FTE of a project manager.
Contrary to popular belief, there are occasions when I actually do have something better to do than talk shite.
 
 
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JNK
1:39 PM
Anyone know if you can do this without using powershell or something similar?
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Q: Sql Server 2005 - sqlcmd with output to shell and file

LeandroI do some command line batch (.bat) with sqlcmd as this way: sqlcmd -i Scripts\STEP01.sql -o PROCESS.log -S MYSERVER -E -d MYDATABASE and i need an output file (it's works currently) and also the output trought the screen to do something like: @echo off echo The result of the query was: s...

 
2:25 PM
@JNK I do wonder why the OP is developing a server side script to deploy on a DB server that appears to require operator interaction.
 
2:37 PM
@concerned i added a suggested synonym , synonym of not sure if you can vote...or did you want it the other way?
 
@DTest I think index should be canonical. I just edited the tag blurb for indexing without noticing that there was an index tag.
How do tag definitions work on synonyms?
If I read on meta correctly the peripheral tag just gets aliased to the master tag and the equivalence is recorded and applied to later questions.
 
@concernedofTunbridgeWells I think synonyms are a way to 'redirect' to the right tag without having to go to each question and retag them. So I'd assume it's a 301-like behavior for SEO
 
That's how meta.so implies it works. I think the right approach is to alias indexing to point to index and make that the canonical tag. It might be worth salvaging the blurb I wrote for indexing because it has some fan out to wikipedia articles about various different types of database index structures.
 
I agree. but the synonym won't take affect until it gets 4 votes, if I understand how it works
I love how the wiki summary on is a link to a DBA.SE question
 
The current index tag has no body blurb, only a summary. I'll cut/paste the blurb I did for indexing into the tag blurb for index.
There's also an 'indexes' tag.
 
2:51 PM
yeah body, not summary...that's what i meant.
added another synonym suggestion to get merged into
 
Where does one suggest tag synonyms, or maybe I'm still too much of a pleb to do that.
 
btw, you can add formatting for tags [ tag : tagname ]
without spaces
when you go to the 'tags' section and click the tag you want, up where it says 'improve the wiki', there should also be a link for synonyms
 
Found it now.
I filled in a bunch of the B.I. related tags but there are still shit-loads of fundamental tags with no tag blurbs.
Logs, mirroring, null
To name a few.
Although, I don't know how much the tag wikis actually get used.
Looks like you only need 2500 rep to create tag synonyms. 5K to approve tag wiki edits.
 
3:08 PM
yup
 
gbn
@DTest sounds OK too. Voted them up
 
what, Trusted Users can't just approve them? :)
 
3:21 PM
@DTest hello
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A: Tag Cleanup - Vote for the following proposed tag changes

DTestMigrate percona to percona-server. I created the percona-server tag with the intention of making percona a synonym, but don't have the required score. Since Percona Server is the Percona's (the company) database offering, I think the -server bit is of higher importance.

anyone else want to chip in?
I'm happy to be told I'm wrong if I am :-)
 
@JackDouglas howdy!
 
Someone has got busy cleaning up the tag wikis :-)
 
in Fail: Vote to ellipsis, 7 mins ago, by gbn
Need an oracle bod
Think that might be you @JackDouglas :)
 
@JackDouglas I edited a bunch of B.I. related tag blurbs yesterday, but there are quite a few fundamental tags that don't have any summary or body at all. I've made a start on backfilling them.
 
@DTest commented :-)
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells good man :-)
 
3:25 PM
@JackDouglas alrighty
 
actually @Rolando's been at work too
 
3:41 PM
@JackDouglas I think we should have tag blurbs now for all the tags mentioned at the top of the FAQ.
 
one missing on
 
but @ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells that is great work, thanks
our faq is now acceptable to SE :-)
 
woo
@jackDouglas what's your opinion on the index synonyms here? dba.stackexchange.com/tags/index/synonyms vote if you got 'em!
 
insert rude comment here
 
3:45 PM
@DTest I can't vote
 
@JackDouglas Because you're a moderator?
 
interesting
 
I was very tempted to put in the tag summary for business-intelligence:
A function typically outsourced to external contractors.
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells yes - if I vote it overrides everyone else's vote. I think we are big enough now for most of this stuff to be community based?
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells haha
 
3:47 PM
Is there any specific policy on easter eggs hidden in tags?
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells yes
or no
ie I have no idea :-)
 
@JackDouglas Hmmmm.
 
but I don't think we need one - and anyway you are joking right?
if we had a policy it would be "be serious on the site, say what you like on The Heap" :-)
and don't say anything in that other room
 
@JackDouglas Need what?
A policy <facepalm>
Anyone with rep to see tag edits - is the text of the database-recommendation tag blurb too snarky?
 
Are Oracle going to release .debs for XE 11.2 or have they ditched it? XE 10g had .debs?
that's @ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells
 
3:56 PM
@JackDouglas Buggered if I know. The last time I actually ran up an instance on Linux would have been vanilla 10g, and I'm pretty sure that was on CentOS so it had the right version of the libs.
 
XE10 on Debian was the easiest Oracle install I've ever done bar none
apt-get install was basically it
 
@JackDouglas if it's packaged as a .deb then it should load with apt and come with dependencies configured for the right versions of the libraries.
 
you needed to point at Oracles repo too IIRC
 
Can't login to the site with what I thought was my OTN login, but the page only talks about RPM where the 10gXE page mentions ubuntu by name.
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells probably a bit snarky :) I like it!
 
4:03 PM
@JackDouglas I imagine that Oracle's repo would have had tested versions of the libs, probably actually just repackaged vesions of the redhat ones.
@DTest Actually, for those who can see it, where are the ssms tag blurb edits now?
 
Still under review. I don't know enough about them to approve, though they look good
 
@DTest OK. Still WIP.
I wonder if we can get a reference to bananas on the php tag bliurb?
 
there's a php tag? nuke
probably from the migrations
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells The 'Oracle Database Express Edition 11g Release 2 for Linux x64' link at oracle.com/technetwork/database/express-edition/downloads/… immediately starts the .rpm download, unlike the 10g link which gives goes to another page with .rpm and .deb options
 
I'll go through and remove those, unless someone objects and wants it here :)
 
4:14 PM
It's got 16 questions on it - worth looking before you punt the tag.
@AlexPoole Which concurs with the blurb on the site that specifically mentions RPMs and nothing else.
Any idea why the tag summary says 16 questions when a search of questions tagged php only returns 7. What does 16 measure - questions with the tag or total activity (questions and answers) on questions with the tag?
@DTest Most of them are really MySQL questions. Only one really looked like anything specific to PHP.
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells That's what I thought, but haven't gone through all of 'em.
 
@DTest Keep the tag if any really merit php as a tag, otherwise remove the tag and punt it.
 
@jcolebrand why you editting a closed question 4 months old?:)
 
Alternatively, we could mark it with a tag summary along the lines of:
ia ia Cthulhu ftagn
 
@DTest because I can. (no really, because it's linked in a tag wiki edit)
 
4:28 PM
ahh
 
Does this need to just direct people to SO?
 
haha, yeah, I'm going through and removing php tag from quesitons here that it's irrelevant
then we'll see how many are actually DBA questions :/
only 16 questions but i'm doing it slowly while also working :)
 
that's good, don't wanna flood the front page
 
JNK
so looking at the site directory
we get 2x the visits of meta.so at this point
#19 on the network
 
@JNK and anyone else with appropriate score, vote yay/nay for tag synonyms here please dba.stackexchange.com/tags/index/synonyms
 
JNK
4:34 PM
+1d
 
dba.stackexchange.com/tags/php/info <-- what do you think of this improvement/edit?
 
@jcolebrand That's a good idea. I should have thought of that.
 
JNK
why do people always want to make their own uniqueifier?
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Q: Creating a Non-Int and Non-Guid Unique Identifier

Zee TeeI'm looking for a way SQL Server can generate a unique identifier that is not an increment Int or a GUID. The Unique ID can be a combination of letters and numbers and has no other characters, and as previously mentioned Must be Unique. ie AS93K239DFAK And if possible must always start with ...

 
We've even managed to write a tag on php without making any reference at all to bananas.
 
JNK
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells a grievous oversight soon to be corrected
hi rachel
 
4:40 PM
Hello
Can I take a quick poll here? Can you guys tell me what the site programmers.stackexchange is for?
Don't quote the FAQ either :) I'm i nterested in opinions, not an actual answer
 
@Rachel What function could it usefully serve?
 
JNK
Non-language specific questions on programming techniques AND/OR questions on programming practices/lifestyle
<from a non-user of the site>
 
imo, basically a 'best-practice' type site
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells I am trying to make a point to the mods....
 
also a non-user
 
4:43 PM
Everyone thinks the site is about programmers, but it's not. I want to get it renamed
 
@Rachel What do you want to call it?
Because that's where most discussions about renaming dba.se get to and then fall flat.
 
JNK
Programmifying has a nice ring to it, feel free to steal it
I think the name DBA should have is obvious
but the powers that be don't like it
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Personally I want a site about programmers. But they are maintaining a site on software development only, so my argument is either change the site name to be softwaredevelopment.se, or change the site scope to allow questions about programmers
 
JNK
so we are in a pickle
 
@JNK what do you t hink it should be?
 
4:45 PM
@JNK You mean data monkeys?
 
JNK
database.stackechange or db.stackexchange
its about databases
period
 
I think dba.se is fine honestly
 
JNK
its misleading
 
but don't both dba.se and database.se point here?
 
and...here we go
 
JNK
4:46 PM
and leads to issues when we move advanced queries here
 
@Rachel No no no please pllease please don't start this conversation.
Too late. Bugger.
 
lol
 
JNK
"This is a development Q, not an administration Q"
herp derp herp derp I can't read the FAQ herp derp
 
lol didn't mean to start this up again. I simply wanted to know the "everybody" opinion on what programmers.se was
 
@Rachel what are they not allowing?
 
4:46 PM
since mods don't seem to believe me that the site name causees confusion
 
@JNK technically we're about data, not necessarily databases
 
@jcolebrand for example, a question about exit interview questions for contract developers is offtopic
or mentoring junior programmers
 
JNK
@jcolebrand no we are about databases
 
but data.se is taken unfortunately
 
@JNK no, because we're about BI as well.
 
JNK
4:47 PM
because if I ask a question about a datatable here it would be OT
 
There are lists and lists of questions which have been objected to on meta because they were closed for "not matching the site FAQ"
 
i still like datavault, but someone deleted it mad face
 
efficient data storage, retrieval, aggregation ...
 
JNK
and don't most BI solutions use databases
 
@JNK they may
 
4:47 PM
bah don't replace my poll with your own name war! :P
 
Noooooooooooooo......................
 
@Rachel but it's much more fun
 
JNK
too late
 
@Rachel yeah, and more appropriate to us!
 
isn't this what @gbn calls bollocks?
 
4:48 PM
I supppoooseee
 
So my take on programmers is that it's about: asking questions about the lifecycle of development, such that those questions pertain to the art of being a programmer, but not to the practice of being a programmer. There are almost no places to objectively analyze the art of practices, aside from perhaps martial arts.
 
JNK
hangon I have to go find subpar answers from jcole to downvote...
 
@jcolebrand Yes.
 
@jcolebrand holding my breath...
 
JNK
to emphasize my argument
 
4:49 PM
@Rachel My impression is progammers.se = software development conceptual vs SO = software development actual
 
where does codereview work into it?
 
@DTest it has it's own site
 
@jcolebrand i know, not my point
 
@DTest Not well. Struggle to see the value over and above SO personally
 
I was to say what useful function a site like p.se would fulfil: software engineering topics, soft topics about methodology and suchlike, maybe some stuff about personal productivity or QA about the merits of various tooling, Stuff like that.
 
4:50 PM
@MarkStoreySmith Yeah, that's how I feel.
 
Perhaps SO sticks to the se approach of fact over opinion, code review encourages opinion?
By its very nature code review must be a compromise of the stacks mission?
 
@Rachel I do hope you quit holding your breath then :p
 
lol I did once I noticed you had edited your chat thingy instead of adding a new one :)
Thanks guys :)
 
@rachel i wouldn't take too much stock in our opinions, or think it will carry much weight with p.se :)
 
I hope we don't start a tradition of dissolving into a lively debate about naming dba.se every time @Rachel turns up.
 
4:54 PM
aww
 
@Rachel do us a favor and leave and come back so we can test @ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells's theory
also because we need more chicks in here, and you and @aarthi are not nearly enough :p (don't worry, our only chick on the dev team is our head DBA, and she feels highly outnumbered too :p)
 
@jcolebrand By and large the best way to achieve that is to be civil to women when they do turn up and not behave like a bunch of horny net geeks. If you can pull that off it will put you light years ahead of the competition ;-}
 
@JNK it's getting downvotes for being unclear and not useful. Highly localized
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells pfffft, why the hell would we do that? At the very least, I'm pretty sure nobody in here has acted "horny" towards any of the ladies who've slipped through here. I know that that has not been the case in other places.
And if anyone does do that, tell me so I can ban them from the chat server, because that's just not done.
but enough of my blathering
weren't we trying to rename all the sites?
 
@jcolebrand That'w what I mean. I wasn't specifically referring to the behaviour of the people here. Merely observing that the usual standard of treatment is pretty low and it's not hard to significantly improve on that.
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells so we're one step above abysmal. YAY! Party time! :D
 
5:00 PM
@jcolebrand I think we're quite a few steps above 'abysmal'.
 
@DTest @DTest Its not your specific opinions I want. It was just a general poll in the most active chat room I know to see what the "average SE user" thinks of P.SE based on its name alone
 
@Rachel did you ask gaming? And serverfault? (the comms room)
 
And to let you in a secret... I don't know about other girls but I don't care about "horny net geeks" providing they shutup if I tell them to.
@jcolebrand Nope, I don't ever go to server fault's chat, and only been in gaming once
 
@Rachel the problem is they don't shut up. I've watched them.
And how do you have a much lower SE chat ID than me? Now I'm all sadtrombone.
 
Well I've never actually told anyone to shut up so I wouldn't know :)
 
5:02 PM
hahahah
 
Maybe the chat IDs are shared across networks?
Or more than likely, I'm just special-er so got a reserved number
 
Oh I know why I was just being sassy
I'm pretty sure you probably are special-er
 
@jcolebrand maybe they started at a high number, and are running out of numbers
 
You guys are horrible to my productivity
 
@DTest :D
@Rachel You guys ^H^H^H^H^H^H^HStackexchange
 
5:04 PM
@Rachel what do you think we do all day?
@DTest hahahahaha, like AS888K ?
 
@jcolebrand Talk bollocks. Don't know about you.
 
@jcolebrand Ummmm pretend to be working and maybe occasionally take a db down to justify your job?
 
@Rachel hahaha, I'm a web dev, I don't get to touch the big databases
 
Bah I hate websites! I just had to fix an issue on one...
Stooopid mismatched browser standards!
 
Also explains why my rep is only like 200 points on dba, because I'm just a mediocre janitor ;-)
 
5:09 PM
I was surprised that not many people had a lot of rep here
 
I'm a web-dev that has segued into DBA...which explains why i'm only slightly higher rep than @jcolebrand
 
pffft, if by slightly you mean double
So now I'm curious about the 53461 @Rachel ... (I swear I cna type)
 
ummmm Rachel is always taken as a username for most things so I needed something unique, and it's my boyfriends old locker code so he won't forget it in case I ever do
 
5:26 PM
@JNK this z t person is really starting to annoy me - is there a feature yet in SE where you can prevent questions from a certain user from showing up in your lists, searches, etc.?
 
Could always downvote them and I've been told if a user asks enough bad questions there's an automatic question ban that gets implemented
 
@aaron that'd be great
 
aye aye aye lunch time folks, need to step away from the computer. FYI here is the question stackoverflow.com/questions/9331999/creating-a-non-int-and-non-guid-unique-identifier/
WTH? What is the big secret to posting URLs here and having them show up like that? I thought I had done it before. It doesn't help that when you copy the URL from Firefox it doesn't bother including the http://
Oh, why did you remove it?
(I initially thought you were posting a related question)
 
Oh I thought you actually WANTED the small link lol
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Q: Creating a Non-Int and Non-Guid Unique Identifier

Zee TeeI'm looking for a way SQL Server can generate a unique identifier that is not an increment Int or a GUID. The Unique ID can be a combination of letters and numbers and has no other characters, and as previously mentioned Must be Unique. ie AS93K239DFAK And if possible must always start with ...

 
[ text ] ( url ) (no spaces)
 
5:31 PM
The secret is not to type anything else with the URL :)
 
also that
 
Ah, ok
 
@Rachel so many more questions (well, not really)
 
I have a question too.... why did MS have to get rid of the nice IIS 5 or 6 interface which I am used to and replace it with some obnoxious "new" interface that I can't find anything in! Gaaah it's driving me insane!
 
5:53 PM
I learned how to use the XML files
those are a bit daunting too, but I rarely use the actual interface, the XML tells me everything
\\server\c$\windows\system32\inetsrv\config
you want applicationHost.config
and for my next magic trick, lunch
 
@jcolebrand Thanks :)
 
JNK
@AaronBertrand me too
i wish he would just give us the requirements up front
 
JNK
6:19 PM
the most frustrating part of Qs like that is when you ask multiple times for clarification and never get it
then 30 mins in he says "what I really want is...."
 
JNK
7:15 PM
man these are my favorites
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Q: How to calculate the running average over a continuous date range

Rahul SQLDatabase : SQL Server 2008 R2 Table structure: location, date, temperature NY 2011-12-06 21:07:00 -05:00 20 NY 2011-12-06 21:08:00 -05:00 21 NY 2011-12-06 21:09:00 -05:00 22 N...

Here's my list of requirements! Give me a solution!
 
7:34 PM
@JNK I just skip those. And +1 comments suggesting that it is homework or that the problem should indicate that some attempt has been made to try it themselves or search previous questions, google, etc.
 
@Rachel for the XML hints?
 
JNK
I normally comment and if they don't clarify etc. then I will DV
 
Ask me some other time for REAL magic in those files, I've just about (but never quite) got them memorized
 
JNK
I gave this guy 30 mins then downvoted
 
@jcolebrand are you still here?
I think I'm agreeing with the flag on this
 
7:44 PM
@JackDouglas nominally
 
@jcolebrand it can wait if you prefer?
 
oh, I meant that sarcastically, like, supposedly so.
@JackDouglas I agree
 
But he is a great asset to the site and I don't want to be annoying - shall we ask him in here first?
I really am rubbish at typing
 
@rolandomysqldba Do you have a moment to discuss this
 
JNK
Whenever a mod superpings someone I envision then with a wizard's staffing yelling with an amplified voice ROLANDOMYSQLDBA, I SUMMON YOU!
 
7:50 PM
I was thinking more like pokeballs
but yours is more fun
 
JNK
imagine it in the Gandalf "YOU SHALL NOT PASS" voice
 
I should do one of those "what people think I do" posts
 
JNK
those are getting annoying already
one of the many reasons i dont go to facebook anymore
 
Are getting? Or have been ...
 
JNK
i havent seen them much til recently
but i dont spend a lot of time on the wider innertubes
 
7:57 PM
Sometimes I hate that SQL Server Express is so easy to install. So many people try to use it but probably shouldn't.
I bet if they charged $9.99 for it a lot of these numbskulls would migrate to MySQL. :-)
 
JNK
maybe
at my last job I did support for food service point of sale systems
and the back offices were all running SQL Server express
we got probably 2 or 3 calls a week because someone didn't like the default name of their computer and changed it to like JANICE_PC or something
which broke the connection to the local server
 
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