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Q: My “Alien Message” series

JDługoszThis is an index of my posts related to my “Alien Message”. On Worldbuilding Alien message: arrows and sequence order Recognizable natural numbers for alien message? Alien message: “Invitation” On other SE sites Converting rational numbers to an “alien” data format

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Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
7:57 AM
Good morning guys. I've updated the Galactic War sandbox question with a release candidate. Could you take a quick look and see if it's good to go or whether I've missed anything obvious? Thanks!
 
Secespitus
Secespitus
@Pᴇᴛᴇ I added a small comment.
 
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
8:23 AM
Many thanks. I updated accordingly. I'm looking forward to seeing how people answer this one.
 
 
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Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
11:31 AM
@Green Galactic War question is open for answers.
 
 
2 hours later…
Green
Green
1:27 PM
@Pᴇᴛᴇ I'll have an answer for you shortly.
 
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
I'll be grateful for that. Hopefully I'll get more than a couple of answers....
 
Green
Green
@Pᴇᴛᴇ I think you will.
@Pᴇᴛᴇ, are the Y'ing's industrial bases mobile? Could you move them around if you needed to or are they anchored somewhere?
Is there technology base mobile enough that you could plunk it down in a resource rich solar system and in a few months start churning out super star destroyers?
 
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Up to you, mate. The question provides the framework, your answer is your own fiction.
 
Green
Green
2:02 PM
@Pᴇᴛᴇ Thanks for giving the number of SSDs that both sides have. It's making for some very interesting and very mindblowing estimates of industrial capacity.
 
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
To quote "Armageddon": "Pardon me sir, but it's a big-ass sky".
 
Green
Green
@Pᴇᴛᴇ Big-ass sky doesn't even start to come close.
Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space
I think they can make quadrillions of bullets a year, easily.
Total industrial output of the US for WW2 was 47 billion bullets.
 
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Also note that I place no time limit on this conflict. It didn't even occur to me when I wrote it.
 
Green
Green
@Pᴇᴛᴇ This conflict feels like the beginnings of the Total Annihilation or Planetary Annihilation games. Monstrous industrial capacity, effectively unlimited human resources (or just make robots to do it for you) and you've got the stage for a conflict that will burn the whole galaxy.
 
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
<...plays fiddle...>
The giraffe has submitted a somewhat excellent answer as challenge to you.
 
Secespitus
Secespitus
2:28 PM
Did this guy just manually write "[on hold]" into the title of his own question? worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/posts/73445/revisions
 
Green
Green
@Secespitus Looks like it. Weird.
 
Secespitus
Secespitus
I have never seen this behaviour before. Is something like this normal? Shouldn't we react and really put this on hold? I have only seen something similar with the "evil mods" question from Pavel, but that was clearly part of the joke.
 
Green
Green
@Secespitus Yeah! Killing Blow for Green.
Closed it for him.
 
Secespitus
Secespitus
Now it says two times "[on hold]"
 
Green
Green
Now it's [on hold][on hold]!
 
Secespitus
Secespitus
2:33 PM
I wonder how many people are confused by that. And thanks for the quick reaction.
 
Green
Green
What just happened?
@Secespitus No problem. It's a really crappy question anyway. I closed it with "not sure what you're asking".
 
Secespitus
Secespitus
I think it could have been an acceptable question, but not in it's current form. There are too many things missing. It would have been great if he had posted in the Sandbox first.
@AlexDarkshine I am interested: why did you manually add "[on hold]" to the end of your title through editing your question? – Secespitus 1 min ago edit



@Secespitus Because i had 4 votes to close the question,And i say,Why not? – Alex Darkshine 46 secs
Well that's an interesting take on this sort of thing... At least I now have my explanation.
 
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
It takes some effort to put [hold] in a question title...
 
Secespitus
Secespitus
I suggested an edit to remove the extra "[on hold]" :D
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
@Secespitus is that edit going to nominate the question for re-opening?
 
Secespitus
Secespitus
2:45 PM
I don't know. I only have 1k reputation.
I can't see the corresponding review-queue.
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
aww... well, if it's in there, I'll let you know
 
Green
Green
@DaaaahWhoosh, it doesn't appear that it does put it up for reopening.
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
nooooo
 
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Oh Taylor Swift, how can you do this to me? You're making me make stupid mistakes. I trusted you....
 
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
3:00 PM
@Green Great answer. To clarify, that's two years to travel the full diameter - it's a year to send a message.
 
Green
Green
3:12 PM
@Pᴇᴛᴇ Removed that portion. It wasn't adding anything.
 
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
It's hit the first page of HNQ. Expect influxes of up-votes.
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
3:25 PM
@Green your answer to that question has an unfinished sentence in it
 
Green
Green
@DaaaahWhoosh where?
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
"The threat of overwhelming force should"
you also say "you can't lose the fights the you don't engage in"
I'd edit it myself, but I wasn't sure where you were going with that half-sentence
 
Green
Green
@DaaaahWhoosh Fixed. Thanks for pointing them out.
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
o7
 
Green
Green
3:40 PM
Hey @Pᴇᴛᴇ, the size of these navies boggles my mind. A little math shows that they probably have as many ships in them as there are cells in the human brain.
I have no idea how you could coordinate that many elements without resorting to some crazy computational fluid dynamic style calculations.
Just the logistics alone....
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
that's what the AI are for
 
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
If you had AI on each ship, you might conceivably have a wide area neural network.
very wide area and slow command/response, but this war is a long, long game of Go....
@Green lulz at your last edit.
 
Green
Green
@Pᴇᴛᴇ I ain't kiddin' neither. :)
 
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
3:59 PM
Geez, would artificial wombs create a male-only society? Just one of many questions that shouldn't really be asked.... (IMHO)
 
Green
Green
@Pᴇᴛᴇ The feels like Asimov's foundation series where some guy calculated that civilization would end at a given point then the rest of the books are trying to figure out a way to prevent that.
@Pᴇᴛᴇ Looking through my old questions?
 
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
No, just one that's just been created.
 
Green
Green
Oh, it's this guy again.
Mr. [on hold].
@Pᴇᴛᴇ, I appreciate your answer to that question.
 
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Well, not much else to answer with really, is there?
 
Green
Green
@Pᴇᴛᴇ Nope.
 
Secespitus
Secespitus
4:04 PM
@Pᴇᴛᴇ Perfect answer... This guy needs to learn to read the comments...
 
Green
Green
It's an interesting premise but the presentation is just so bad.
 
Secespitus
Secespitus
Which is exactly why he should start to use the Sandbox.
 
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
I'm not so sure about the spelling/grammar comment. We have people from the world over for whom English isn't a first, or even second language. I wouldn't have the guts to post questions on a Hungarian version of WB.
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
If a question is started in the sandbox, can it be moved to the main site when it is considered "good enough"?
 
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
I'd much rather edit than chastise over use of English.
@AndyD273 - Yes, it's just a simple copy/paste. That's how we all do it.
 
Secespitus
Secespitus
4:07 PM
If he posts on the Sandbox first there won't be problems with the english language once he moves it to the main site.
 
Green
Green
@Secespitus and there's plenty of time to get the English right.
 
Secespitus
Secespitus
At least if he waits some time - his zomghost question was accepted after only three hours.
 
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Oh, my eyes! There's a picture added to the womb question...
 
Secespitus
Secespitus
Oh.....
 
Green
Green
wow.
I suppose there are worse pictures he could have picked.
 
Secespitus
Secespitus
4:10 PM
Another thing: he should probably stop using pictures... Pictures are rarely good in my personal opinion. Often they are distracting. And his pictures are often... weird.
 
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Hey, the picture in my question was GOOD.... It gave you a swirly galaxy and the names of the antagonists....
... and no one's asked me for a citation for it yet, double bonus points!
 
kingledion
kingledion
That is a nudy pic with the nipples colored in in MS Paint
This question can't be closed fast enough
 
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Ironically, with the "airbrush" brush...
 
kingledion
kingledion
@JDługosz Where are you at with the mod-hammer
 
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
@kingledion - he's a long way from home. We had spam here for about 15 minutes.
 
Secespitus
Secespitus
4:15 PM
@Pᴇᴛᴇ Your picture was okay. It's just my personal feeling that pictures are often distracting. In your case it added something to the understanding of the question. But in this case I can't see anything.
 
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
My retinas were burnt out too.
 
Secespitus
Secespitus
I said it somewhere else: I like sketches, maps, ... but other pictures can be left out most of the time. They only distract me and divert my attention from the text, while at the same time undermining my creativity.
 
kingledion
kingledion
JoeBloggs horror from beyond question is still going on Hot Network Question
Cthulu and his ilk are really popular
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
Cthulu runs the HNQ list
don't look at it for too long
 
kingledion
kingledion
@DaaaahWhoosh This seems like a reasonable deduction
 
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
4:22 PM
What's that comment by Enigma trying to say? Is he saying bad things about me, or the question, or what?
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
@Pᴇᴛᴇ maybe he's just trying to be true to his name
 
Secespitus
Secespitus
He is saying bad things about the community as a whole.
I tried a response to that one.
 
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Well, it's a pretty sexist question, needs some resistance in terms of common sense.
 
kingledion
kingledion
@Pᴇᴛᴇ He is saying bad things about you. You should flesh out your answer a bit; focus on the common sense and less on the sexism.
@Secespitus Kettle, this is the Pot. Stay out of comment fights.
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
wait, I'm confused. It looks like the OP is asking about how the world would react if women were replaced by robots. Which is completely separate from whether or not that would actually happen
 
Secespitus
Secespitus
4:29 PM
@kingledion Thanks for the warning, but they are completely turning around what I am trying to tell them...
 
kingledion
kingledion
@DaaaahWhoosh He is. But that makes it a duplicate of his previous question.
 
Secespitus
Secespitus
Oh man, now he is refering to the Matriarchy question... Yeah, I better stay out of this... Gotta do something, I'll check back later to see how this went. Have fun guys!
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
@kingledion eh, it doesn't seem like an exact duplicate to me
seems like he's asking about different aspects in each
 
kingledion
kingledion
He says in his comments that 'my gynoids can do anything a woman can do.' That leads us right back to all the answers to his last questions. An interesting question would involve artificial wombs without the free labor or quasi-pornographic pictures.
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
eh, I'm not so sure about that. But I don't think I want to go too deep into this
as in, I don't want to read all the answers to the old question
 
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
4:37 PM
@kingledion I made a short answer because I was pretty sure the question would be closed down pretty quickly. I can't really say anything else to what in effect is a sexist question.
fine. answer deleted. I shan't bother to create anything more appropriate.
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
I still don't see how the new one is a sexist question. It's about a sexist premise, but that doesn't mean it's supporting the actions taken in that world
oh, wait
I didn't read the title
that explains it, then
 
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
When I answered, the question title was completely different. Changing the title doesn't really change much in my head because he's equating women with childbearing.
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
I mean, yeah, in the title he is.
in the body, currently it seems like he's asking about a government-mandated lack of women, and how society would respond
either way, the question really could've used some more polish, especially considering the touchiness of the subject matter
 
Pᴇᴛᴇ
Pᴇᴛᴇ
This is why the sandbox is there. We can thrash things out and get them right before this kind of thing starts up.
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
I guess we could also link him to chat
 
kingledion
kingledion
4:56 PM
@DaaaahWhoosh That doesn't seem wise
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
I guess not
I just rediscovered where I remembered the Enigma guy from
 
kingledion
kingledion
Where? Has he been around here before?
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
he asked a meta question about someone voting to delete one of his answers
about a week ago
 
kingledion
kingledion
Ohhh yeah
The ironic thing is that, the question has gotten lots of negative comments, but only two downvotes and one close vote.
Its not like the question is being immediately buried, its been at the top of the site for an hour.
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
@kingledion (because of all the edits)
 
kingledion
kingledion
5:01 PM
Well at least it is getting attention
If it hadn't started as such a spelling and grammar abortion, it might have gotten some more construtive comments
Anyways, off to lunch. see yous guys around.
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
o/
 
James
James
(Morning)
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
it is now the afternoon. You're too late.
 
James
James
Technically its still morning here and the rest of the world should get over time zones and accept that I am the center of the universe.
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
well, you're probably still too late for the artificial womb controversy
 
James
James
5:16 PM
Ill consider that a win for myself.
@DaaaahWhoosh Ok I just saw the question...
People jumped all over that guy and I am not totally sure I understand why...its not the best question ever sure but there are far worse questions. The only issue I had was that it's way too broad.
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
@James yeah, supposedly it's been edited a bunch and is based on a question he asked earlier that was worse
 
James
James
Andrei called it a silly premise...which if females have been replaced by bots...so what, that is a plausible scenario. King was just cranky about punctuation and grammar...which...yeah we aren't all native speakers. Secepti...however you spell it freaked out about a superfluous picture...jeez chill out people.
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
well supposedly it was borderline pornographic
 
James
James
@DaaaahWhoosh I guess its not the corrections that may be needed but the attitude with which it was addressed.
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
yeah, I mean probably both, which makes things more confusing.
which is why I always say, if something's going to look offensive, try to make it look offensive in the least number of ways possible
 
James
James
5:31 PM
Either way I flagged the comments to get them removed. If you're frustrated fine, walk away from the question with a downvote and a vtc and move on. No need to be a jerk about it...
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
Seems like that question is just right to push a lot of peoples buttons. Society without women? feminist button. Saucy robot woman? conservative button. Etc...
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
yep, but we shouldn't close questions because of button-pushing
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
Agreed (you forget who you're talking to? ;)
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
lol I guess I do
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
It does happen though. I posted an answer a while back that expressed a view other than evolution, since that's what the question was asking for... so many downvotes.
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
5:43 PM
With the technology to activate a females egg using the dna from another female are you going to respond exactly the same way?
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
@EnigmaMaitreya I read Seveneves too (spoiler?)
 
CelestialCaveBear
CelestialCaveBear
Pardon the intrusion, I'm relatively new 'round these parts, but I was wondering if there is a place on this site one might discuss a question they intended to ask before asking it, so as to present it in the best possible way, and avoid - as much as possible - inquisitorial redundancies?
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
@CelestialCaveBear We do in fact have a sandbox!
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
Never heard of it but I know there is a religous issue formenting under the surface about the issues both male only and female only
 
Green
Green
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Q: Sandbox for Proposed Questions

ArtOfCodeWhat is the Sandbox? This "Sandbox" is a place where Worldbuilding.SE users can get feedback on prospective questions they wish to post. This is useful because writing a clear and fully specified question on the first try can be difficult. There is a much better chance of your question being wel...

discussion questions sandbox
Anyone who asks for help isn't intruding. Ever.
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AndyD273
AndyD273
5:46 PM
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
My problem is the premise to dismiss it because someone believes it is demeaning to women
 
CelestialCaveBear
CelestialCaveBear
Ah! Delight! Thank you very much.
 
Green
Green
@CelestialCaveBear Your proposed question should pop up in this chat too so people will see it.
I'm always happy to help people clean up/improve their questions.
 
CelestialCaveBear
CelestialCaveBear
Doubly wonderful.
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
@EnigmaMaitreya things that are demeaning to any group should be handled with care
and that goes for both sides, both the people who want to explore it and the people who want to ban it
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
5:48 PM
I dont disagree with that but some times people over react. Suppose I had carried the logic "Do Gay Men deserve to have children" into that topic
 
CelestialCaveBear
CelestialCaveBear
Also, on the topic recently at hand; concerns about phrasing (even a good point can down with a bad ship) and question structuring aside; the premise of a society transitioning to a unisex identity as a form of cultural evolution is at least interesting.
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
@EnigmaMaitreya Yeah. That's why fiction is useful; it lets us explore ideas and things in a way that is safe. Take "Man in the high castle", looking at the long term outcomes of Nazism on a world wide level
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
@AndyD273 Totaly agree and that is what has kept me in SCI-Fi all these years
 
CelestialCaveBear
CelestialCaveBear
And not entirely outside the realm of feasibility, given a few years of technological realization, so definitely a worthy premise for a science or dystopian fiction.
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
@CelestialCaveBear that actually does sound like something worth investigating
especially considering transhumanism, if we eventually get rid of bodies man/woman won't really apply
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
5:51 PM
If I think about the Inisex society I will remember a best seller based on that
For me it got boring rather fast but I saw a lot of value in understanding the premis
 
CelestialCaveBear
CelestialCaveBear
Of course, you could turn the question on its heals and ask the opposite - could a society entirely peopled by women and using artificial insemination for reproduction be viable as well?
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
That was my point a bit back and it is one we will need to deal with there is no escaping it.
 
CelestialCaveBear
CelestialCaveBear
Or you could go one step further, could you obfuscate the need for gender entirely and proceed to an androgynous society with entirely external and mechanical reproduction (vat-babies, if you will).
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
I think it would be boring either way that it went. The diversity makes things better.
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
In one sense I can extend that to not needing a 2nd partner just use ones DNA and modify it for improvements
Again I with Andy
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
5:54 PM
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
Crap what is the Heinlein "Methuselah ...." Were he goes back in time and has sex with his grandmother and creates his father
Its on the shelf here I would just need to dig it out
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
My only problem with that story is that the author seemed to get agape love confused with eros...
 
CelestialCaveBear
CelestialCaveBear
"Methuselah's Children", I think.
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
Oh he went nearly stupid in his later years if you ask me same as asimove
Just my opinion but they go bad when they start taking current politics into their story
 
CelestialCaveBear
CelestialCaveBear
I think there's a kind of "interestingness creep" for science fiction writers.
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
5:59 PM
@EnigmaMaitreya "The cat who walks through walls" had one of the dumbest endings.
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
HAHAHAHAHAHA agree but I did like the story
 
CelestialCaveBear
CelestialCaveBear
They are driven to constantly ask continually more interesting questions, until eventually the questions they ask become uncomfortable and possibly extremely unusual.
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
How about the "Number of the Beast" Great premis but it was really screwed up with sexual relations
Well I should say making sexual relations a primary part of the story
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
@EnigmaMaitreya Yeah, but the ending really ruined it. The ending is a make/break for me with a story.
That's why "The Running Man" is just about the only Stephen King story I've been able to enjoy
The ending just fit so good
 
CelestialCaveBear
CelestialCaveBear
A satisfactory ending is absolutely essential to the enjoyability of any writing, I think.
I mean, you can like the story as much as anything, but an off-color or plain bad ending can leave you with a vague discomfittedness that will invariably influence your impression of the preceding work.
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
6:04 PM
totally
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
I have a short story I've been meaning to write, but I got to the point where there were at least three possible endings, and I had no idea which one to pick
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
@DaaaahWhoosh write all three, give them to different alpha readers, see which one gets the best response
 
CelestialCaveBear
CelestialCaveBear
You could always do like Clue.
"But maybe it really went like this..."
:D I kid. I kid.
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
Then what do you guys think of Steven King. I like his stroys and just wtf his endings
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
@AndyD273 interesting idea. Maybe I'll try that once I get the chance
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
6:07 PM
@DaaaahWhoosh Then if an ending gets a luke warm response, ask them how it would change their opinion if "events in ending #2" had happened instead
 
CelestialCaveBear
CelestialCaveBear
I'm honestly ambivalent about Stephen King - I've gotten a crazy amount of enjoyment out of some of his work, but it's so hit and miss that I tend to not read him for fear of feeling like I wasted my time.
Or worse, not finishing what I've started.
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
I know a guy that only writes one type of ending, but you can only read about everyone dying in the end so many times...
@EnigmaMaitreya I've tried reading King a few times, rarely get very far. Only finished a couple. Only enjoyed "The Running Man"
 
CelestialCaveBear
CelestialCaveBear
My favorite King was actually a collection of short stories called Nightshift.
Lovecraftian short fiction seemed a good boot for him, he wore it well.
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
I may try The Dark Tower, just because of the upcoming TV show... and because it's the core that all of his other stories are written around
 
CelestialCaveBear
CelestialCaveBear
Oh! Eyes of the Dragon was outsanding.
Tragically not characteristic of the rest of his corpus, though.
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
6:12 PM
Hmm, searching for NightShift brings up a lot of romance novels... Intersting
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
Anyone watch the expanse? If so, not the one just aired but the previous one with the bits about the creator of the "Ellison(?) Drive"?
 
CelestialCaveBear
CelestialCaveBear
Actually, just a smidge, pretty interesting local-system sci-fi.
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
Heh, the only thing harder for me to enjoy than a Stephen King book is a Stephen King movie...
 
CelestialCaveBear
CelestialCaveBear
You know, I might have to go back and give it another gander now that I'm considering reworking my own sci-fi setting to take place strictly inside Sol.
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
@EnigmaMaitreya Yeah, but I'm a few episodes behind still
Been busy lately
 
CelestialCaveBear
CelestialCaveBear
6:15 PM
Pish Tosh! Dreamcatcher was a delight!
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
I have been wanting to ask the space forum about the ppremis of that especialy the implied fate of the man and ship
In deference to Andy then I will drop it
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
Oh, is that the guy that turned on his drive, and couldn't turn it off, and so was well on his way to andromida or something?
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
Nah Dreamcatcher I never finished Cary was the best one he did
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
I've read all the books, you can't spoil me
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
YES
I wanted to make sure I understood that as I was under the premise that eventualy the high G ends because there is no real sustained Delta-V
OR that is one hell of a creation that could infinitly sustain delta-v
 
CelestialCaveBear
CelestialCaveBear
6:18 PM
While I'm getting acquainted with this site - I should ask; while WB Stackexchange is strictly Q&A, is there anything anyone is familiar with that's more discussion? That is, sharing and developing ideas rather than getting answers?
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
Great do you remember the books explanation for it?
 
CelestialCaveBear
CelestialCaveBear
I'm just putting my toes in the pool of writing-centered communities on the interwebs.
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
So when I was a teen I went to the movies with some friends. We went one movie thinking it was going to be good, but the level of violence and rape was pretty high, so we walked out and asked management if we could walk into Firestarter instead... It was a bad night for picking movies
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
:) Come on how could you not like Drew in Firestarter
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
@EnigmaMaitreya Yeah, pretty much. Though it's been a while since I read Leviathon Wakes... I think the explanation was that the initial G's was so high it just killed/incapacitated everyone, and so by the time it ran out of fuel there was no possible way to turn it around
I think in the Expanse universe they only experience the G's when active thrust is happening, and then go weightless as soon as it's cut because of inertia
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
6:22 PM
@AndyD273 If I select you for this does it not go to the general conversation?
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
IIRC they did a good job getting the physics right
 
CelestialCaveBear
CelestialCaveBear
The physics are the hard part, for me at least.
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
@EnigmaMaitreya No it does, it just makes a little beep noise to let me know that someone is trying to get my attention, and also so I know which post you're replying to
Otherwise you could be replying back to just about anyone
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
Ok, got it.
Ok, your reply on the expanse implies I am going to need to do some refresh before I ask those guys on the Space Forum
 
CelestialCaveBear
CelestialCaveBear
Eh, for the future, what's the culture around here for comings and goings? Does one say hello and farewell?
And, pardon if I seem stiff, I'm a bit of an etiquette buff, and this is a new community for me.
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
6:27 PM
No clue I am new to this. I didn't even know it existed ... just saw The Factory Floor in chat and thought I would explore and whoa and behold it was for the Forum
I am to old to care much for that respect it if required? Sure but ....
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
@CelestialCaveBear You can, especially if you've been in an active/ongoing conversation, but it's not compulsory. And if you go and I direct it to you specifically, it'll show up in your site response list later
 
CelestialCaveBear
CelestialCaveBear
Ah, thanks! Then, on that note, I must away, and thanks for the help earlier as well. Ciao.
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
For instance, @James comes and goes a lot, but the next time he comes to SE this post will show up on his feed
Sorry james :)
@CelestialCaveBear Later
 
CelestialCaveBear
CelestialCaveBear
Hah! :D That example is fantastic.
 
James
James
@AndyD273 Jerk. Lol.
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
6:33 PM
@CelestialCaveBear The one limitation is that I don't think it works if they haven't been in chat in a while... SE really needs some kind of global message system, despite the risks of abuse.
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
@AndyD273 that's what the mod ping is for, right?
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
@DaaaahWhoosh And if you're a mod it works great. Not so much for the rest of us
A simple message system would be easy, and if you could flag messages that are abusive for mod attention then you remove just about all the risk.
I don't think I'd even mind if there was the understanding that any mod could view any message at will, just so long as it was private to the internet at large, unlike chat.
 
James
James
@AndyD273 I suggested that on meta one time...it was utterly destroyed...
ok I was going to link it but it doesn't appear to exist on meta anymore...it was probably 2 years ago...maybe it was deleted.
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
Or just make it opt-in. If I wanted to recruit someone on here to be an alpha reader for instance, then I could send a request, and if they agreed to see my message then I could get their address, instead of trying to get them to post it in chat.
I wouldn't want to post my address in chat, I'm not going to ask anyone else to
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
@AndyD273 yeah, butthen you get into the territory of "SE isn't about making friends"
 
James
James
6:41 PM
I have done it before, then I just ask a mod to delete it, course I don't expect everyone to do that either.
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
That's a dumb territory
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
440
Q: Any way to send a personal message to another user?

a_m0dThere has been quite a few times that I wished I could send a message to another user on SO - not ask a question for everyone to see, but just a short message informing them of something or requesting them to do something. Are there any plans to allow this to happen in the future? Related: Ho...

feature-request status-declined private-messaging
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
Especially since enough people like to bring up the "SE Community". You can't have Community without some of that happening
 
JDługosz
JDługosz
@Pᴇᴛᴇ Note that I put the picture at the end of this post in “spoiler” tags because some folks objected, even though it was deemed safe enough for Wikipedia front page without any warning or click through.
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
@kingledion I've removed the image for now. cc @Green @Secespitus @Pᴇᴛᴇ
I was also concerned that it just was irrelevant.
 
Secespitus
Secespitus
6:49 PM
@HDE226868 Thanks
 
JDługosz
JDługosz
@kingledion I just looked at the mod queue today. I’m not the only moderator, you know, only the newest.
 
Green
Green
@JDługosz Wow. Very early Japanese tentacle art. I wonder how much those prints go for these days.
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
@Green Apparently from before pixelation was a thing...
 
Green
Green
@AndyD273 HAHAH! Yes. That is very true.
I wonder what the market is for pixelated japanese block print style artwork?
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
As the engraver carves the pixel effect out of the wood block...
 
Green
Green
6:53 PM
@AndyD273 yes.
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
It's very hard to get good random pixelation on a three block print
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
I'm now wishing that TV started using old-fashioned methods for censoring images
like instead of pixelization or black boxes, they add fig leaves
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
All the male actors would have "very large fig leaf" in their contract
 
Green
Green
Censoring porn is such an interesting topic because there's no quantitative standard for judging it. "I'll know it when I see it" is not a rigorous definition.
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
porn is like a metaphor for justice
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
7:00 PM
. . . . . .
I can't wait to see how.
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
:) and when is porn not porn because it is viewed as a fetish?
 
Green
Green
@EnigmaMaitreya Porn isn't porn when it's "art".
 
James
James
@Green Part?
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
Is that true as in for everyone?
 
James
James
:D
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
7:02 PM
Do we all see art the same way?
The answer was when the Fetish is seen as Porn
 
James
James
@EnigmaMaitreya Well I am color blind so I would answer no.
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
@EnigmaMaitreya there are probably some people who like the Mona Lisa a little too much
 
James
James
(yes I am being a wise ass)
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
@James I would say you see art the same way as everyone else; with your eyes
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
@james tis ok with me we are all chickens in here are we not
 
Green
Green
7:04 PM
@James BAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA!
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
Just my opinion but that is one hell of a slipper slope when people start enforcing their views of what something is
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
@EnigmaMaitreya but then you get to the part where freedom of speech doesn't mean you're free to continue speaking on someone else's property
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
I like "Freedom of speech does not enable you to speek irresponsibly"
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
eh, yeah I guess that works too. But I think responsibility is similarly not well defined
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
@DaaaahWhoosh I am pretty much on the side of its your property and society should stay the heck off of it unless it is proven that your actions are a danger to that society. Said more simply If your actions are not a danger then I have no business judging you
Not well defined as in subjective YES
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
7:10 PM
@EnigmaMaitreya Freedom of speech does not mean you have freedom to limit what I can say
Or something like that
 
kingledion
kingledion
@JDługosz Don't you know the new guy has to do all the dirty work? I'm not going to call out a gray-bearded elder moderator like HDE
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
I agree with the concept I dont see .... oh wait I can tell you to shut up, implying that some how I can enforce that in a chat room (not being a moderator)
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
There was a university in my state that tried to set up "free speech zones" where you could say anything you wanted, but outside of that was a "safe place". They got sued and were forced to open the entire campus up to free speech. Common sense won for once...
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
I rather chuckle at posters that make demands in such an environement
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
@AndyD273 yeah, that sounds kinda backwards. Set up safe space zones instead
though if it's a private university, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to limit free speech, as long as they're not taking the law into their own hands
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
7:13 PM
Kind of like Berkly wanting to prevent bretfbart or however you spell it from speaking on campus'
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
I believe the judges ruling went something like "the constitution trumps your dumb ass rule".
 
kingledion
kingledion
I think its spelled Yiannipoulous
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
HA HA HA was that intended?
Trump's your dumb ass rule
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
@AndyD273 like, if I was in charge of a school, and one of the students shouted racial slurs 24 hours a day, I would like to be able to expel them for that. As long as they know before they enroll that that's what I'm gonna do
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
@DaaaahWhoosh Well, they still took public funds, private or no, and they were using campus security to go after students for "trespassing" when they violated the rule.
@DaaaahWhoosh They might get beat up, but they should still be able to say it until their jaw gets wired shut
Not advocating vilence
violence
And anyone that doesn't like what that person said could just ignore them. If the person goes after them specifically in a way that breaks the law, then the individual can call the police. It shouldn't be for the university to censor
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
7:19 PM
@kingledion Hey, I 'm not like Gandalf . . . . yet.
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
@AndyD273 it shouldn't be, but it can be. If I own property, I want to have the right to kick people off that property, for whatever reason
if they own property, they can say whatever they want there, and they can kick me out if I say something they don't like
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
@HDE226868 not to worry your just a yungun
@DaaaahWhoosh and many people use racial slurs of their own race would you expel them?
@DaaaahWhoosh I am with you
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
@AndyD273 like, I get what you're saying, but then what's the point of owning land if anyone can just walk in and do what they want there?
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
@DaaaahWhoosh The constitution overrides that. You can't allow someone in, and then kick them out over speech. You can kick them out over other things, but not that.
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
7:24 PM
@AndyD273 I was a kid growing up on the white side a creek that seperated Whites from Colored and we kids were told to not play with the kids from the other side. My best friend ever was a colored boy, we would help each other with school homework etc. the South that is being portrayed is the South of the Extremist NOT the norm
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
I can post no tresspassing signs, and keep anyone out, but even a private university is a public space
@EnigmaMaitreya Just pointing out that you can't do that anymore
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
@AndyD273 - got that I was pointing out that I experienced that transition. I could add that both sides were poor as can get. The lines were erased when something bad happened to a family on either side through the churches.
 
kingledion
kingledion
@AndyD273 Just so you know, your statement "The constitution overrides that. You can't allow someone in, and then kick them out over speech" is substantially untrue in the legal sense
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
All of that has was thrown out with the bath water now my friends dad would be prevented from having been a father figure
 
kingledion
kingledion
The only state I know of where it is true is New Jersey, where the New Jersey Supreme court has declared that free speech rights of the New Jersey constitution apply to malls.
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
7:28 PM
Malls by definition are not privarte
 
kingledion
kingledion
However, in Iowa, for example the state Supreme Court decided the opposite way; that a privately owned mall has the right to restrict free speech.
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
@kingledion It was at least true with the ruling passed down by the judge in the case of this specific university
 
kingledion
kingledion
@AndyD273 I see. Well then I wonder what the legal justification was. I highly doubt that the First Amendment directly could have been cited by the judge in his ruling.
Actually, I just found it on Wikipedia, there are 4 states where courts have extended free speechto publicly open areas of private propery (MA, CO, CA, NJ) while 13 more have declined to extend it (listed only are NY and WI).
Pruneyard Shopping Center v. Robins
Pruneyard Shopping Center v. Robins, 447 U.S. 74 (1980), was a U.S. Supreme Court decision issued on June 9, 1980 which affirmed the decision of the California Supreme Court in a case that arose out of a free speech dispute between the Pruneyard Shopping Center in Campbell, California, and several local high school students (who wished to solicit signatures for a petition against United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3379). == Case == In American constitutional law, this case is famous for its role in establishing two important rules: under the California Constitution, individuals ma...
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
@kingledion Here's one article on it: thefire.org/…
 
kingledion
kingledion
Oh the notorious grand valley
those guys
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
7:34 PM
 
kingledion
kingledion
Ah, I see, it was settled. The judge I'm sure made it abundantly clear that Grand Valley was going to get hammered if they took it to trial.
Its too bad it didn't go to court and get a substantive ruling.
FIRE is doing great work for freedom in America, by the way
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
Yeah. I'm pretty against the whole "safe place" movement.
 
DaaaahWhoosh
DaaaahWhoosh
@AndyD273 does that mean you disagree with Stack Exchange's "be nice" policy?
 
kingledion
kingledion
If you like reading about that stuff Connor Freidersdorf covers it a lot at the Atlantic. theatlantic.com/author/conor-friedersdorf
@DaaaahWhoosh Be nice and free speech are not exclusive. Stack Exchange is an excellent example of how it can work the best through self regulation.
 
AndyD273
AndyD273
@DaaaahWhoosh I think there are right ways and wrong ways to do all this stuff. Talking about "owchie" topics is ok.
 
Enigma Maitreya
Enigma Maitreya
7:43 PM
@AndyD273 and when some one is being considerably less than nice to some one on a personal prejudiced subject, as was recently seen, then what is the right way?
 
JDługosz
JDługosz
7:58 PM
@kingledion Actually, I have a grey beard, but I dye it.
 
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