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12:00 AM
@Shalvenay Yep. A nice deterrent.
 
@HDE226868 heck, I suspect Smaug would be quaking in his boots after hearing the stories of what that gun does to things
 
 
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1:05 AM
Let's say a setting contained a world like ours. Due to unfortunate circumstances, a large portal to hell opened up in the middle of the planet. Numerous demons spilled out into our reality, overthrowing governments and killing billions of people. These demon hordes were led by devil archons, who settled in various countries and ruled with an iron fist. These nations were essesenti ally turned into torture camps, where humans were enslaved and murdered for the amusement of their overlords.

The only surviving nation would be a powerful theocracy that managed to hold out against the demonic
I was going to ask on the sandbox but figured I'd ask here first.
 
 
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6:37 AM
@JoeBloggs Cosmic strings are another option. The main problem is finding suitably gravitational massive enough objects to do the tidal ripping apart.
@HDE226868 While black holes are obvious, neutron stars might be another possibility. Perhaps, preferably more than one. getting the orbital configuration right could be tricky.
@Pete A wall of tethered zombies could be an effective barrier and defence against free range zombies. Also, if the constrained zombies get hungry they might tend to devour any incoming wild zombies.
 
7:03 AM
@James I only used RPG Maker VX, not MV.
Morning everyone
 
@a4android Interesting. I wonder whether there's any other uses for constrained zombies.
 
@Pete If you put them on a leash you can watch them run around. Great fun for the survivors.
Or Cage-fights zombie vs zombie
 
I did have the idea a while ago about the extreme sport of zombie racing. It's like camel racing, but you ride zombies instead.
 
7:20 AM
Riding zombies? How about zombie sled racing?
@Shardmartin It's always good to ask for opinions on chat. However your post can easily get "lost" in a discussion. It would be good if you could also put it in the Sandbox. To the feedback: I am not sure about this is a good question for WorldBuilding. Discussing how governments came to be is nearly always too broad. And your setting looks like "You are the author, you decide" is the best answer. Billions dead and one magical society? I see nothing wrong with your logic under these circumstances
But please put the question in the Sandbox so that Meta-Users, who are not in the chat frequently can still see your question and give feedback
 
 
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9:18 AM
@Shardmartin I agree with @Secespitus - this question at the moment feels very opinion based. If you want it to decline into authoritarianism it can. If you don't then it doesn't. Both are plausible enough that so long as you write it well you'll be fine but it doesn't really leave much scope for people to write answers.
A better way to ask the question might be to decide the society/etc that you want and then ask what's the simplest/most plausible way to get there from your starting position
 
 
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10:27 AM
@Pete You call that an extreme sport of zombie racing! What about the extreme sport of being chased by high speed zombies around a caged track? Caged, of course, to protect the onlookers. Other uses of zombies: use constrained zombies as 'sniffer and tracking critters' to find non-zombified humans.
 
11:20 AM
@a4android I love the idea, not sure we can create any kind of acceptable question out of it though.
 
11:49 AM
@Pete It could be a series of "Zombie Extreme Sports". But you would need a specific question with each. Like "What protections do I need for my audience if I were to organize a zombie-chase on a running track?"
Or for my zombie sled race: "How fast could a sled be if I were to use 6 average zombies instead of dogs in a sled race?"
If you did a "Using constrained zombies" series and took a4android's version: "What precautions do I need in order to train my zombies as 'sniffer and tracking critters' to not get bitten?"
 
Hmm. Seems a bit of a contrived question. I'll need to think more about it.
 
Just asking for use-cases for constrained zombies will likely be too broad. One way may be to limit the amount and state where you are, like "I am in castle and I got 5 constrained zombies (wanted to catch 3 and lost 2 men). What would be the most efficient usage for my 5 zombies to get more zombies / survive longer / organize a sport event ...".
... Reading it again that will likely be too opinion-based with the "most efficient"... Well, I am looking forward to your question ;)
 
I guess you could ask "I have invented a version of chariot racing, using captive zombies as the 'horses'. How can my characters steer them and incentivise them to run faster?"
 
12:05 PM
@Pete I don't really see any difference to the questions I proposed for the "Zombie Extreme Sports" series. I like it.
 
12:50 PM
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Shard martinI would like to create a theocracy with elements of a democratic system. Let's say a setting contained a world like ours. Due to unfortunate circumstances, a large portal to hell opened up in the middle of the planet. Numerous demons spilled out into our reality, overthrowing governments and kill...

 
1:07 PM
@a4android What message were you replying to? I'm sorry; I lost track.
 
1:33 PM
I guess, there's a follow-on question: How can you selectively catch likely looking zombies for use in our zombie sports spectacular?
 
1:47 PM
@Pete have a hole that smells like humans dug into the top of a steep hill. Every so often, go in a helicopter, pull zombies out of the hole
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@DaaaahWhoosh Or just put dead people in the hole. Unless zombies don't want dead brains.
 
I get the feeling zombies wouldn't want to eat dead people. Otherwise, where did all the zombies come from?
 
@DaaaahWhoosh You could make a similar analogy to humans and sex. It isn't always about a practical result.
 
eh, I guess not. And either way, non-magical zombies do still need to eat
 
@Pete Are you sure fits on your question?
 
1:55 PM
@HDE226868 - You're probably right. I've had people get annoyed at a lack of a constraining tag. I added it out of habit.
@DaaaahWhoosh That'll work!
 
2:06 PM
@Secespitus How do you like the version you have?
 
2:33 PM
We have a desk here at work where we put biscuits/cakes/treats to share among the team. I also have a few dog kibbles in my pocket and a rising, despicable urge...
 
@Pete I would probably give the dog kibbles a go, if they were on the table at work (currently occupied by Girl Scout cookies), and if they smelled like meat
 
You know how dog meat doesn't really smell as good as human meat? The taste thing goes the same way.
 
@James I liked working with VX, but it's been some time. I used to teach teenagers at my school a bit of programming after school together with a friend of mine. We had different "levels". Some wanted to learn drag-and-drop-like with the RPG Maker, some wanted programming with C++.
 
>human meat - Meat for humans, or meat of humans?
 
2:40 PM
meat for humans vs meat for dogs.
 
Isn't dog food 49% additives?
More if they call it "meat flavoured"
"Meat-style dog food"
 
well, not much of it is meat, that's true.
esp kibbles. mostly cereal, additives and dried processed meat products
Could you grind up zombies, add some brain flavouring, and then feed them to live zombies as kibbles?
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Zombies are dumb, so probably
They eat non-brain things too in most settings
 
@SPavel But most of the time they do not eat other zombies.
 
@Pete maybe the fancy zombie-food would be made out of humans. Since keeping humans dead would be a real problem
 
2:46 PM
This is true. But they also don't need to eat.
 
I still think that zombie Killer Whales could be a thing.
 
zombie whales are suppressed on this site
 
Sad, so very sad.
 
3:09 PM
@James Have you worked with any RPG Maker? Why are you asking about the MV version specifically?
 
3:21 PM
@Pete Would zombie Killer Whales go for human brains or Killer Whale brains?
 
They'd go for Sperm Whale... ermm..... Brains.
 
4:05 PM
They call me "The chat-room killer"...
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sometimes the room just dies. It's nobody's fault
I mean, I could keep it alive on my own, but I try to avoid that
 
4:30 PM
for instance, it's strange to me how people treat mushrooms like vegetables, when they're in a completely different kingdom
 
@DaaaahWhoosh I think most people don't really think about this sort of thing most of the time
 
the part that worries me is what the differences really are. Like, if I stopped eating all vegetables and replaced them with mushrooms, would that be bad?
and if it's not bad, could I do the same thing using mushrooms to replace meat?
 
Replacing meat with mushrooms doesn't sound like a good idea. Mushrooms don't really taste good.
 
eh, that's a matter of opinion. I quite like mushrooms
and despite what others say, they are not the best party guests
 
4:45 PM
That looks like it's a reference or a pun, but I honestly don't get it. What does a mushroom have to do with being a party guest?
 
@Secespitus they say he's a fun-gi
in other words, a fun guy. But also a fungi.
 
@DaaaahWhoosh I didn't know that one
 
@Secespitus I'm very surprised, I thought that one was about as well-known as the chicken and the road
 
Not here in Germany
 
ah, right, I guess puns are harder if you don't normally speak English
 
4:51 PM
Yeah, I understand some puns, but references to a pun I never heard are... not so easy :D
And another thing that makes this sort of thing difficult: 9gag.com/gag/aqZzBZ7/…
;)
 
Well, gotta go. Have fun keeping this chat room alive ;)
 
o/ thanks
I think I can fill it up with questions about the universe
like, are there infinite galaxies? I thought there wasn't, but now I'm not so sure
there seems to be confusion about the universe and the observable universe
and then, from that, I'm wondering about the speed of light shortly after the Big Bang
if everything at the start was infinitely close to each other, shouldn't we be able to see all of it? Or was the speed of light slower back then?
and back to the observable universe, does it cover more mass as time goes on and light has more time to reach us? Or is that somehow counteracted by the expansion of the universe?
I'm trying to swim through Physics SE but there's a lot of information I'm missing
hmm, and now I'm considering asking a WB question about if an interstellar empire would have to consider travel time increases due to the expansion of the universe
 
5:24 PM
Wait were you talking to yourself
thats not odd....at all
 
@kingledion if I was talking to myself, I would answer my own questions
I'm talking to the room, to anyone in the future who might show up
 
Oh ok, cleared that up :)
 
also, I'm breaking the fourth wall. Hello, audience!
 
That link is the broadest question ever, in case you want to gaze at its majesty
 
"Basically remake life's history anyway you want up to this point."
 
5:29 PM
okay! I choose to make life with lava creatures!
 
man, I am tired of lava creatures
I was playing Dark Souls 2 yesterday, there are two fire-related bosses that I cannot beat
plus a bunch of archers with fire arrows. Fire arrows are the worst
 
I don't know anything about Dark Souls, but aren't there usually rings of fire protection and/or ice based attacks for that kind of thing?
 
@kingledion that's what I was thinking, but it seems like I'm pretty much done with the fire area now, and I haven't found any
there are definitely pathways that I can't use because they are too hot, so I assume there's some way to nullify fire damage, but it has not yet been revealed to me
and I don't want to look it up in the wiki, that feels like it'd be cheating
 
Oh I'm a wiki-looker-upper
I always hit that up with 15 min of being stuck
What a cheater, this guy
Hey, I could look it up for you and tell you here....
 
actually, that might work
I like to role-play, so I don't want to have access to knowledge that my player character wouldn't have
but if you tell me, it's just like the notes other players leave on the ground
ooh, and if you make it rhyme and/or sound like some sort of cryptic prophecy, even better
 
5:38 PM
Ok, again I don' know anything about Dark Souls, but 'being wet' gives you 33% fire resistance
I dunno if being wet is an option
 
there are barrels of water around the level, I was wondering what those were for
 
Also Rosabeth of Melfia sells some pretty powerful elemental resistance items
It looks like wet + a 'Flash Sweat' item plus high intel and faith gives you about 90% damage reduction for 90 secs
 
oh, right, I forgot I had some of those items
okay then, my player character is having a dream, where all of this is becoming clear
roll into the water barrels, use the items you have, remember people's names
 
@DaaaahWhoosh If the universe is infinite, then by the cosmological principle, yes there should be. But you'd have to prove that the universe is infinite, and we don't know that that's true.
 
sorry I didn't make it rhyme
I'll try better next time
 
5:44 PM
lol thanks @kingledion, you aren't the best dream spirit of wisdom, but you're the one my player character needs right now
@HDE226868 I'm really hoping you're planning on answering the other questions I posed too (you're my only hope)
 
@DaaaahWhoosh I think you're using the assumption that the Big Bang happened at a point - which isn't true. Varying speed of light theories have been postulated, by the way, but have yet to gain much acceptance.
@DaaaahWhoosh I'm working on it (busy finding links).
Never mind; that deleted message is true but irrelevant.
 
@HDE226868 as I understood that answer, the Big Bang happened in an infinite space that was infinitely small: "The total size of the universe is then 0×∞"
I guess I'm probably over-simplifying
 
Man, big-universe physics really is a case of the Incoherence of the Philosophers
infinite space, infinitely small, bah humbug
 
@kingledion but... IIIIIIIIIIIIIIII...INFINITE!
 
@DaaaahWhoosh Sort of. I know I can't say it any better than John Rennie can.
Hold on a second. My computer's being buggy; I need to restart.
 
5:54 PM
See thats the point! All that knowledge about universal physics doesn't do you bit of good when your computer is buggy!
Bah humbug!
I think I'm going to be anti-science today, after reading too much machine learning stuff for the past two days
 
Ah, much better now.
@kingledion Oh?
 
@kingledion but machine learning is so cool! And doesn't work as well as you think it will most of the time!
 
It is pretty cool, but it always needs more memory, sigh :(
The real challenge with machine learning is cleaning your data and affording enough memory to run it at greater than glacial speeds
The machine learning itself is a breeze, just toss some matrices into scikit-learn
So then you read mountains of papers trying to figure out what scikit-learn or libsvm or whatever are doing to your precious memory
It makes writing a machine learning algorithm from the ground up in C seem appealing
Which would have been a great thing to think 6 months ago, not now that you have project deliverables due in 3 weeks
So, in conclusion, science sucks, and most problems can only be solved with engineering and labor
Like building pyramids, for example
Lots of labor
Was that ranty enough? How'd that go?
 
6:09 PM
@kingledion Well, I'd bet you got your point across.
 
6:27 PM
@Secespitus its on sale on steam and I have a desire to turn my world that I am working on into a game.
 
6:45 PM
hi all guys
 
7:08 PM
/me does the job-leaving dance
Aw lame, there's no /me support
 
there's no moral support either
 
@kingledion My new job will be building stuff that helps data scientists organize good, clean datasets, so know that I am on your side
 
I've been overusing Star Wars quotes in answers lately. Yesterday was "It's a trap!", and today was a play on "That's no moon!"
@BossShell Hi there.
 
@HDE226868 Sounds less like overused and more like just enough used
 
@HDE226868 be careful not to choke on your... aspirations
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7:18 PM
@DaaaahWhoosh Thanks, Darth Whoosh.
. . . if I can make that your new name.
 
@HDE226868 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 
Am I the only one disappointed that they didn't even try to stick to the "take cool word starting with In, remove the In" naming theme
Not a single other sith master/apprentice had a naming scheme at all!
 
I would love to see a Sith named Darth Frontof Meinline
I would hate that guy
@HDE226868 I actually do like the sound of 'Darth Whoosh', I just couldn't think of a positive Vader quote
 
Darth Nocuous would be an awesome name, though
It fits with the "in" theme and it literally means noxious, harmful, or poisonous.
Or Darth Voke (from invoke)
Although that would immediately be photoshopped into a drug joke
 
Ooh, how about Darth Spire?
 
7:33 PM
or Darth Valid.....
 
Darth Sane?
 
Darth Teresting
 
Darth Bred
 
Darth Dubitable.
See also Darths Secure, Telligent, Nane, and Cestuous.
 
I think that's Darth Uff
 
7:39 PM
Darth Sane Clown Posse
 
I heard there was a Darth game
 
Darth K'Gledion!
 
That one sounds Darth Nept
@DaaaahWhoosh By the way, thanks for the TagOverflow link. I'm sure my work would like to bill you for the hour you stole from my workday
 
@kingledion well, that's Darth Sulting
 
Darth Imical
 
7:47 PM
Has anyone gotten Darth Potent yet?
 
That's im not in
At which point we would have Darth Pressive
 
Close enough! I'm going for Darth Plode
 
Darth Agination
Darth Peccable
Darth Flammable
 
Darth Pala
 
hahaha
 
 
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9:44 PM
@James Well, I can't say anything about MV, but VX was a lot of fun. So why not just buy it and see for yourself of that version fits you? BTW: How much is it on the Steam sale?
 
10:11 PM
@kingledion Definitely one of my favourite questions :D
 
10:22 PM
Greetings fine and worthy folk of this good land.
Also hello to all the less fine ones.
And hi to all the rubbish ones.
 
Rytsas to you too @Bellerophon
But what happened to the font?
 
Font?
What font?
 
My name looks different...
OK, looked
o_O
 
Maybe the page hadn't loaded properly.
Or maybe you have an insect inside your head slowly destroying your nervous system.
 
hey there @Mithrandir24601 and @Bellerophon
 
10:29 PM
 
Greetings @Shalvenay.
 
how're things going?
 
Rytsas @Shalvenay
Just finishing episode 6 of Jessica Jones - it's pretty good!
How're things going with you?
 
ah. finally had a quiet-ish day at work after two days of prod firefighting, so to speak
 
Always fight fire by prodding it. Preferably with something long and insulated.
 
10:34 PM
hahaha
 
@Shalvenay the first word I saw when this came up on screen was 'firefighting', so I instinctively thought that you had an actual fire :P
 
oh, haha
I've sometimes wished I could get hands-on fire extinguisher training sometime, at least...
 
I've always wanted to do the 'sit on a wheeled chair while using a fire extinguisher' thing
 
harhahr
so...one thing I've had in my minds-eye on and off is what crashing the Red Wedding would look like...
...how would you do it, I suppose?
 
By running away as far as possible?..
 
10:49 PM
heh.
my vision involves a fully loaded hazmat railcar getting dumped through the wall of the greathall (thanks a lot, whoever was screwing around with brake valves) followed by me walking in through the new hole in the wall in hi-vis and a hard hat going "EVACUATE! EVERYBODY OUT! GO GO GO!" flight attendant style...
 
I'm afraid I don't know what the Red Wedding is.
 
@Mithrandir24601 -- mind if I defer to you on that explanation? points @ @Bellerophon's question above ^^
 
Well, I was sort of expecting to blast down the walls on the back of a dragon or something...
@Bellerophon The Red Wedding is a scene in Game of Thrones/A very important event in a Song of Ice and Fire
As you don't know what it is, can I assume that you're not particularly interested in GoT/aSoIaF and so don't mind spoilers?
Better yet, I'll be lazy an point you to the Wiki: gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Wedding
 
...and right as I finish saying that...a pool of burning fuel starts to lap at my feet and around said hazmat car
 
They would probably start thinking that you were R'hllor or something...
 
11:04 PM
...no, just some random railroader trying to save folks' bacon after some train-wrecking moron thought it'd be funny to close a bunch of brake valves on a train that was about to go down a long grade...
because that car's full of sodium chlorate -- think like saltpetre, just a bit nastier. and with that pool fire, if it blows...there just won't be all that much left here.
 
Ah. Why not just bomb the place?
 
this wasn't supposed to work out this way...see remark above about idiots who think it funny to wreck trains. sighs, mutters
 
Ah, makes more sense now...
Sorry, I'm slightly distracted as Les Mis is in my head
 
11:42 PM
@Secespitus 33 bucks or something like that.
@DaaaahWhoosh This is amazing...just for the record.
 
hey there @James
 

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