but since you have 6 second cooldown on a certain stance it should be possible to get a perfect rotation of 3 stances without having CDR. or am I missing something here? the stance switching is not getting quicker with CDR.

@PhilippSander Well you'd need at least 16.666% CDR to get a "smooth" rotation. However there is no perfect rotation simply because the playstyle and ability usage are situational. You can safely say that It's usually a good Idea to start with a stun when ganking for example.

could you give a detailed explenation why you need this amount of CDR for a smooth rotation?

@PhilippSander because all passive effects last for exactly 5 seconds :P

ok i see it that way: Q (2sec) R/W(2sec) W/E(2sec). since the abilities have no casttime. CDR can not make this rotation fast in anyway. however i get it when you talk about 2 stance rotations Q (2sec) R/W(2sec).

Oh wait a second I completely screwed up... ignore everything. I'll edit the question to clarify.

@PhilippSander Sorry was kinda brainafk while writing the answer^^

its ok

makes sense in my head but i wrote complete crap^^

i know that feeling :D

so CDR only makes sense for 2 stance rotations

well it provides you with more Damage and sustain

still pretty usefull for faster jungle clear....

the stun duration isn't affected AFAIK

exactly

it's good for more damage

Q-R for example

yep

also for sustain

with Q-W

~33% CDR is needed for a "smooth" 2 stance rotation

i'll give it a try

yeah pretty much

but usually you won't be able to pull off a "rotation" like you'd know it in WoW :P

i also try to get as much phoenix procs as possible out of my rotation

for example: i do a QRW rotation but i look at the stack on my R before switching to W in early game

when i'm having 2 stack before switch i wait one more hit

Yeah for pure damage you can just go for Q-W-Q-W... etc but usually your shield has the highes priority

you won't deal damage if you're dead ;)

Q + R

yeah sorry

damn i should wake up ... brb coffee

no problem : seems like you're not having a godd day

:D

I'm fine with tea

coffee makes me crazy :P

haha

we should have a stackexcahnge-LoL chatroom! i think it would be so much fun!

btw, udyr's other weakness is it's early mana hungry state

I mean you switch stances fast and suddenly you get like 50 mana left..

thats true...

and then a fight come up and you run around a a slow bear :D

or a turtle

I don't know how people manages to give blue buff to the mid laner

while having no mana, lol

i played him in 16 games this weekend

@PhilippSander i just did a meta post about reopening it^^ and StrixVaria did it ;) chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/2348/summoners-rift

lets move there :D

i'll be there every day :)

already in there^^