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9:10 PM
It's nano! Time for me to do my yearly visit to writers and pretend that this year is the year I actually write more than a single page :P
 
@RhysW I'm going to write a chapter or two. :-)
 
@MonicaCellio Two!? Rub it in why don't you :P
 
(But not via nano in particular.)
@RhysW you'll notice that I have not specified the length. :-)
But I mean chapters in this story.
 
Ah good point. I'm hoping to lock myself away this weekend and write a bunch. Though I still need to pick a plot
hey that website seems pretty cool
 
So asking you what you're writing would be premature, if I'm looking for an answer other than "words"?
@RhysW that's a link to my "index" post on Medium. The Worldbuilding blog is on Medium and I'm publishing that story there.
 
9:17 PM
I had a rough idea for something this morning that i thought might be kinda cool
though im not sure i can pull it off
 
Won't know until you try. Go for it!
 
i like that it seems your world and theme are all moon shaped
or at least a couple of the different posts there are moon-y
 
In my story moons play a central role, yes. There are posts on the blog about all sorts of things. Here's the blog link: medium.com/universe-factory
The tabs above the top post go to tags.
 
9:40 PM
oh cool, its a thing run by the world building community
 
Yes. We asked for an SE blog (more than a year ago), they said "not doing those any more but try Medium", and we set up shop there.
 
looks good, like the kind of thing i might accidentally lose my lunch breaks to reading through the posts
 
They're now shutting down the blogoverflow blogs for the sites that have them, by the way.
@RhysW :-) Please feel free to create an account (just sign in with Google or whatever) and comment if you like.
 
i already signed up so i could follow to make it easier to browse new posts :L
 
Oh good! And you weren't hungry anyway, right? :-)
 
9:51 PM
thankfully i already ate, as im now a few posts deep
 
BTW, the gang there just started a podcast, and for episode #2 (recorded night before last) they had me on as a guest. I'll let you know when it gets published. (There'll also be a blog post, but that might lag the actual YouTube post.)
 
That was eerily well timed, as just that second i had finished reading the post that went with the first podcast
that 'Coming of Age' story on there is really good
 
@RhysW yes, I'd like to see more of that. (Feel free to comment to tell the author you liked it; maybe it'll encourage more.)
 
10:06 PM
I did like their way of introducing characters, kind of a 'here they are, ill tell you more about them when it matters' kind of thing, I always go a little overboard trying to perfectly describe all of them the moment they are introduced
@MonicaCellio yeah i dropped a few comments in on each chapter
 
@RhysW great, thanks!
@RhysW I sometimes go too far in the other direction. In The Sisters' War I haven't provided physical descriptions of any of the characters, and now in the chapter I'm finishing up now I throw in a bit of description for a new character and it feels out of place. The perils of publishing serial fiction; I can fix this in an editing pass for version 2, but right now I just have to live with it.
 
@MonicaCellio I have a flip-flop relationship with character descriptions. On the one hand i like knowing what the author is envisioning, on the other hand, as a reader, i end up assigning them all their own looks in my head anyway regardless of how they have been described
also i think "A picture flashed into my mind of a tribal warrior standing at the shore of the sea, spear in hand, waves crashing ashore, moons overhead in the night sky" would make a great cover for the book if you didn't already have one in mind :P
 
In the Imperial Radch trilogy, physical descriptions are very limited because the narrator just doesn't care much. Because of the series' themes of body politics, this means the readers find themselves eagerly lapping up every little detail that is provided.
 
I like that kind of thing, little hints that might tweak the images you've come up with
 
In the Earthsea series, contrariwise, Le Guin was very sparse with her descriptions of the main character because she wanted the reader to very gradually notice it was a person of color.
She's said in interviews that she knew it would be a hard sell for publishers because they didn't think the presumed target demographic would buy into a non-white protagonist, so she snuck it up on them.
 
10:18 PM
@MonicaCellio oh man, i'd love to know what a lunar eclipse would do to the people in one of the clans of the moon that was eclipsed
 
@RhysW thanks! I'd like to eventually publish this as an e-book, which will require a cover, which will quickly bump up against my own artistic limitations. I'll need to figure out how to address that.
 
@BESW yeah so a couple of different ways and reasons for writing and describing characters, guess i just need to find the one that works for me
 
@RhysW I'm like this too; I just fill it in myself as a reader, and so forgot to provide some as a writer. :-)
 
I enjoy Margery Allingham's character descriptions, because she usually only gives a brief simile for the overall form and then details a specific notable feature which is representative of their presence in the room.
 
@RhysW hold that thought. :-) (But you'll have to hold it for a while, I'm afraid.)
 
10:20 PM
@MonicaCellio that could be an interesting experiment, get a bunch of people to read it then describe one of the characters, see how closely they match what you were thinking
@BESW kind of like a written caricature?
 
@BESW clever. :-) I remember reading an interview with, if I recall correctly, Orson Scott Card, 20+ years ago, where he said something like "I never provide physical descriptions unless they're necessary for the plot. And then I wrote (title) where it was important that characters had blue eyes, and everybody knew it was important because I specified." Or something like that.
@RhysW oh, that sounds like fun!
 
@RhysW Yes!
@RhysW I've actually seen some instances of that... can't remember where, but it was a collection of portraits by various artists all going off the same set of character descriptions.
 
@BESW that's kinda cool, i might play around with that idea a bit, thanks for all the suggestions on what other people have tried!
 
What Is This Stuff On The Floor: A Pet Owner's Choose-Your-Own-Adventure
@RhysW I'm trying to remember in which book she describes Lugg as the hind-end of a pantomime elephant.
 
@BESW a name like Lugg with a description like that paints a great picture
 
10:29 PM
Magersfontaine Lugg was a cat burglar until he got too fat to leave a house by any exit except the double doors in the front.
 
laugh
 
Now he's the best friend and manservant to a bright but very unassuming younger son of a noble family, who has been disowned because he makes a living solving crimes. Lugg keeps trying to work on his upward mobility, much to the horror of Albert who likes Lugg fine just the way he is.
(Albert's primary physical quality is looking foolish and ignorable.)
 
Ok so im tempted to put my story on a planet thats tidally locked to its sun, everyone lives in the portion thats lit up. I wanted to make it so that the population has never been to the dark sides, i wanted to do that by making it too deadly to them, e.g they are cold blooded, so leaving the sun basically spells death by freezing to them, but then i don't leave myself any space to send the protagonists out into the dark, any ideas?
 
Superstition, dangerous dark-only creatures/events, NO TRESPASSING signs...
(Pedantically, a tidally locked planet is uninhabitable on both light and dark sides, as they boil and freeze respectively, so your folks would be stuck in the dusk zone.)
 
my other two ideas were either 1) religious reasons, they worship the sun, to leave its rays has been spread around as basically something you just don't do, especially if you want to live.
2) the governing body has decreed that it is inhopsitable, set up walls around the whole thing, etc etc
@BESW yeah, it has a few flaws
 
10:36 PM
Worldbuilding might have some ideas about how to make it practically feasible.
 
yeah i might just have to head over there, ill flesh it out a bit more in my head first so that its not just a bunch of gibberish
 
> Magersfontein Lugg’s lush personality pervaded the room like a smell of cooking. He was in deshabille, appearing at first sight to be attired as the hinder part of a pantomine elephant, and was holding out in front of him a mighty woollen undervest. The “impossible voice” to which the great lady had referred recently was after all only a matter of taste. There was expression and flexibility in that rich rumble which many actors might have sought to imitate in vain.
- More Work for the Undertaker, 1948 Margery Allingham
 
@RhysW oh, fun idea. Worldbuilding has some questions about the environment on such a tidally-locked planet, btw (temperature regulation, plant life, that sort of thing). Between the light side and the dark side there is the twilight band, which could be survivable but super-risky -- but if there's something driving your people into it...
 
On the next two pages we also get:
> The beady eyes peered out from their surrounding folds with a truculence which did not hide the reproach, or even the panic, lurking there. [...] The place where Mr. Lugg’s eyebrows may once have been rose to meet the naked dome of his skull.
 
@RhysW or yeah, as BESW says, maybe they live in the dusk zone but striving toward the light as much as possible (because religion or whatever).
So they try to get as close to the light side of the dusk band as they can...
There are usually folks in Worldbuilding's chat room (The Factory Floor), too.
 
10:41 PM
@MonicaCellio i was thinking about making it an older universe, so the suns a lot cooler than usual, and the planets only recently slowed its spinning enough to have been locked (in planetary terms of recently), though im not sure that even that solves the issue
 
So if you're not ready for SE-style Q&A yet and want to brainstorm, try there.
 
@MonicaCellio ah good idea, thanks, ill definitely check it out tomorrow, i actually need to sleep now though, well, as of about 40 minutes ago but i got a bit lost in blog posts :P
 
@RhysW is that how tidal locking works? A body that isn't locked initially slows down and becomes locked?
That is something you could ask on WB, by the way.
 
@MonicaCellio as a mod of astronomy you'd think i'd know that, but it was a total guess
 
@RhysW I'm not going to apologize for that. :-) G'night! I need to head to the grocery store and then home too, so TTYL!
@RhysW you're an astronomy mod? Wow, the things I learn. (This is me not paying attention. :-) )
 
10:44 PM
@MonicaCellio in name only, i've not been nearly active enough to still be deserving of the title
 
Anyway, I look forward to continuing this chat with both of you. Gotta run.
 
yeah me too, see you both later
 
I'm not especially fond of the worldbuilding chat room; it seems to me to have a preponderance of pedantry and firmly-held misinformation.
From a writing and storytelling perspective, that whole Stack is a bit too much focused on acting like society is just an extension of physics.
 

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