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1:16 AM
I cant edit tags, I have just a little bit of rep.
People are so frustrating. Sigh.
I dislike it when people assume that they understand my meaning, rather than reading the words I've used. In their own mind, they seem to think that regardless I never said something, they can obviously determine my intention or what I was trying to say.
And usually nothing that I say can dissuade them once they've made up their minds. ;(
 
2:00 AM
Rep here seems hard to get :(
 
 
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4:09 AM
@NathanCTresch - I think that's because the site activity is so low. Fewer opportunities to answer questions, fewer people voting.
BTW, nice answer for the dialog grunt-words question.
 
4:47 AM
@NeilFein Thanks! :D
 
 
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6:47 AM
@standback - doing some retagging on those critique questions. Gonna see a lot of old questions showing up in the queue for a bit.
 
7:11 AM
Retagged about twenty critique questions, starting with the very oldest ones. Most questions were fine, I deleted one old one that was really bad, and closed a couple more and left nice notes about the closure, linking to our guidelines.
The front page is gonna have lots of old questions there for a while!
Okay, did another ten or so questions. Closed a couple more "make this better" questions. I think that's it for the night.
 
 
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4:59 PM
I got a Necromancer badge on scifi/fantasy :)
I'm rather proud of that.
 
5:12 PM
@NathanCTresch - As well you should be! What does it mean?
 
@NathanCTresch yes. I am intrigued as well...
 
Ah! Got it. You've reanimated a question, essentially.
 
Yes.
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A: Which DVD editions of “The Last Unicorn” are commendable?

Nathan C. TreschI have managed to contact Mr. Beagle through some contacts, and here is what I asked: Some of my friends and I are very curious to know where we can purchase a high quality DVD copy of The Last Unicorn for which you will receive royalties? Here is his answer in full: Hi Nathan, ...

:)
 
@NeilFein sweet.
 
That's the question. As someone who plans on writing professionally soon, it was personally important to find out, as I actually want to buy a copy of the movie
I wanted to make sure he got his due.
Related is this blog post that I made, which is also about P. Beagle
You guys should read it IMO. ;)
(IMNSHO)
 
5:23 PM
Yeah, that's a crappy sitch.
 
I loved that movie as a kid.
Very, very much.
 
@NathanCTresch One of the great animated movies of my childhood. Good book too.
 
Well, I'm one of those nerds who can cite tolkein canon in my sleep
ALso, RALPH BAKSHI, one of the greatest animators and directors of animation of all time
Bakshi's never gotten the credit he deserved because he was ahead of his time. At his height cartoons were still considered just for kids to america
 
@NathanCTresch Also true.
The Last Unicorn is hardly his master werk
 
DId Bakshi do unicorn too?
Awesome.
I didn't realize that
Ah, no he didnt, I was referring to TLOTR
 
5:27 PM
Oh, I thought not. I was wikipediaing
 
Which he did, Unicorn was drawn by studio animators who were attempting to copy Japanese
 
I was ... disappointed in LOTR
well, not the LOTR
 
Animation, which was just starting to be poplular
Which?
 
'the sequel
 
Which specific movie?
 
5:28 PM
Bakshi's LOTR is, amazing. Hobbit is better. ROTK was terrible
Wizards is my favorite Bakshi work
 
The animated Return of the King? The Rankin Bass abortion that was heralded for being a masterpeice in animation when it should have been called complete and utter garbage for shitting on the canon?
 
yes
that one
 
When I was a kid I loved the ROTK movie, before I understood canon
Now, I still have fond memories of it, because I literally watched it every day all day long for an entire summer one year, but, all the same. Garbage.
 
I saw Hobbit (was that Bakshi?) when I was a kid. LOTR too. I didn't see his ROTK until I was an adult and had read the series several times. I thought it was the worst thing ever
 
No, hobbit was Rankin Bass
 
5:31 PM
God, why do I screw that up...
 
The family that owns Prof. T's rights had Rankin Bass do a kids movie for the hobbit, as it was a kids book
 
It's that whole 80s fantasy animation thing
Which one? My understanding is that there's two people who own rights to the Hobbit
 
Then they had an adult animator do TLOTR
Sec
And when adults didn't receive the movie well, they decided to have RB do the last chapter again
Tragedy, IMO, as they played it safe with the animation and fuckjed up the story
 
and then ... boy was that crap
 
The Zaentz family owns the rights
Maybe two of them, idk, I just know that that's the family that owns them.
Oh, I think one of Tolkeins relatives also has a small share .... Let me think.
I believe that there is a literary foundation or trust that owns the print rights to all of it, that's run by a Tolkein, but the media rights are owned by the Zaentz family, who has to pay royalties back to the foundation
That's a spotty memory at best, so, ymmv
The more I consider the more the memory comes into focus and I'm pretty sure what I said is true
 
5:38 PM
There's the Zaentz family and then there's the actual Tolkien family and my understanding is that they can both authorize merchandise. My understanding is also that peter Jackson got blessings from both of them before working on the current incarnation
as I understand it...I think
proof is not one of my strong suits today
 
Yeah I dont feel like looking it up either today
;)
 
Yeah. If it was something important, like who are Chell's parents from Portal 2, then I might be bothered to prove something :)
So, on an extraordinary tangent, I have a question on the Writers SE...
(I don't feel like posting this in Meta)
 
We seem to get some, not a lot, of transfers from the ELU SE
And it seems that 90% of the time we get one, esp borderline ones, we close them or bounce them right back to English
 
ELU is terrible.
I won't help there.
 
5:45 PM
So why close them? Writers SE is ... stagnant. Couldn't we use the cross traffic
 
Conciseness.
 
Hold on, getting a link
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Q: How should I use phrases such as "uh huh"?

tcrosleyI have seen various combinations of interjections (or "grunt words", as they are sometimes called) used in fictional dialogue, such as: uh huh (which I take for a yes) uh uh (for no) nuh uh (also saw that once for no, but I'm not even sure nuh is even a word) whereas a standalone "huh?" usuall...

I edited this one a bit, to get it away from defining words and more towards how to use them. If they can be lightly edited like this, I think they're fine.
 
There's plenty of word choice questions on ELU right now that could be best answered by a creative person and not the technicians of English
 
English is just that - language techs, grammarians, and so on.
 
Yes, but instead of editing, we close them. Or say "this is better in ELU" move it back.
 
5:49 PM
Can you think of one that can be edited? I'd be glad to re-open questions if they can be made on-topic here.
I just hate seeing questions garner terrible answers, then editing it, and the answers to the off-topic question don't relate to the question anymore.
 
Yes. but the question you have highlighted (which we 3 answered quite well I thought) is exactly what I'm talking about. That is not a question on word usage; it's a question of the art and skill of writing
 
Read the original question, it was originally more heavily about defining the words.
(The edit was subtle.)
YMMV, of course.
But sure, make some edits to an old migrated question and vote to reopen. Flag to notify a mod and we'll take a look.
 
So we take a few lousy questions that ELU doesn't want. It increases the amount of questions and answers we get. Once Writers is in the SE big boys club then we can be more picky and choosy of the quality of questions we address
I think were missing an opportunity to get regular users from writers who are utilize ELU perhaps not knowing Writers SE even exists
 
Absolutely not.
What you're proposing is volume at the expense of quality.
That's specifically against the mission of Stack Exchange: Make the internet better.
Populating this site with off-topic questions would not do that.
 
hell, I was on SE for 2 months before I even knew there was a Writers Se
well...maybe
But they may not be -strictly- off topic.
 
5:54 PM
All that said, I'd love to increase awareness of Writers over at EL&U.
I've been hanging in their chatroom a bit, explaining to people there when a question could work for us.
Let's All Just Get Along. :D
 
All that I'm saying is I think that there are opportunities missed when we reflexively close migrated questions from ELU
 
I left a comment in the Area 51 proposal for movies - which was heavily about screenwriting - inviting people here.
So let's try editing up front for a while? Sure, we can try that.
Contrary to appearances, I don't actually enjoy closing questions.
 
See, I wouldn't want screenwriters here. Different beasts altogether, they are. But I'm open
 
I think that there is a middle ground between what the two of you are saying... Would taking a heavier hand to edits for all of the borderline questions satisfy both concerns?
 
(You sure like opening old ones, though) ;)
 
5:57 PM
@NathanCTresch - I'd go for that.
 
@NathanCTresch seconded
 
Not saying we'll never close those questions, but perhaps guiding users more heavily towards suggested edits will help.
 
Yeah, I think that we should do that
 
yeah. That could work
 
Or hell, just be bold and when editing. If we destroy the question, users can revert.
 
5:58 PM
Obviously we need to make sure we're still answering the question. Oh, they have that option?>
Is it easy for them to revert?
 
Yep, there's a "revert edit" function.
 
I mean you've got 2 noobs right here that are willing to make Writers a better place.
 
In that case, go for it!
That's definately what we should do.
DefiNATEly.
 
@NeilFein Learn something new every day
 
You go to the change history, then click on "rollback" to the version you want to revert to.
 
5:59 PM
@NathanCTresch do you have enough rep to do that (no offense)?
 
@Standback - Next time you're here, you may want to check out this conversation. What do you think?
 
At what level do you get the 'edit someone else's post' spiff?
 
@SomeNorCalGuy - You mean editing? Users without enough rep to directly edit can make suggested edits, they just have to be approved by another user.
 
oh. well that works.
 
From the FAQ: "1000 - Edit other people’s posts, vote to approve or reject suggested edits"
 
6:01 PM
that's what I needed to know
 
BRB, the oven beeped at me.
 
Gonna take a lot of work to get to 1,000 in here...
Hell, i'm only at 376 in Gaming and I've been there for months
 
None taken, I have almost no rep here.
I have 1.5k on scifi, but, here I havve like 150
 
I take it that SciFi is your main haunt?
 
Or something
It was
It still is, I love answering canon questions
And I recently got a super rare badge there :D
 
6:05 PM
We need to encourage people to vote more here.
 
Or something : \
 
I have 220-something here and in ELU. I have 376 in Gaming but 100 is from an answer spiff and 100 is from being on two SE's ... I think
necromancer I remember
We need to encourage people to be here
 
That's the badge I just got at scifi :)
 
I have a shade over 2000, but I've been here since the private beta.
 
And this SE goes back to ... late 2010?
@NeilFein is it kosher in the SE rulebook to encourage question migration in comments, etc on other forums?
 
6:09 PM
I thought it was 2011? I'll check.
Do you mean stuff like "this question should be on [site]"? I see that all the time.
 
yeah, but is that cool or kind of dickish?
 
I'll sometimes mention that a question would get more or better answers elsewhere.
I think it's fine.
You're just changing which SE bucket the question is in.
You'd have to say something like "You idiot, this question is in the wrong place. Read the FAQ and leave here forever, you troll!" ...to make it rude.
 
So if I cruised ELU (maybe other forums, IDK yet) for questions that I feel would best be answered by Writers, that would be OK in the SE community
@NeilFein So THAT's the official wording of question migration requests. I tell them you said that
 
:D
 
Cool or dickish doesn't really come into the ethos of SE, or at least it shouldn't. Moves are encouraged for conciseness
Nothing personal
:)
 
6:12 PM
When suggesting a move or a migration, I try to keep one thing in mind.
 
what's that?\
 
Where will the question get better answers? How will the asker be better served?
Okay, that's two things.
But it doesn't have to be a migration. You can also invite someone to ask a similar question, with a writerly slant, here.
Duplication of questions is only a problem if the answers to both questions are interchangeable.
Ah! Here's everything you ever wanted to know about rollbacks. And then some. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/17038/what-is-a-rollback
 
So, something like "Hi, @username, you might want to try asking this question at the Writers SE [embed link] a budding community of writers, blah blah blah"
 
Sure. As long as you're not doing it to excess, I think it would be fine.
 
and then maybe some editing here to make it more writerly if and when they actually ask it here
I am keeping this in mind
 
6:18 PM
Maybe ask in a site's chat if you think they'll be offended by it; there are SE sites where I have no feel for the culture at all.
 
Oh ain't that the truth
 
I recently suggested that a question on Bicycles would be better served on Skeptics. (The question was asking for research and data.)
And Skeptics did a good job on a bicycle helmet question, that Bicycles handled not well at all.
(I know we have someone here who might disagree.) :P
Gotta get some work done; later, everyone!
 
later
Well, I'm leaving, too. Ironically, there's something I have to write that has a Friday deadline. (may not nave used ironically in the most correct way, but I do not care)
 
Yeah, I have like three projects to get in by then also.
 
6:35 PM
My job right now is to make sure my employees don't do anything nutty when laying the groundwork for our application while I learn node.js
I'm letting one of them go crazy with writing an MVC type framework that will interoperate with the MVC in the frontend nicely, since he has expereince with node and with single page applications already and I dont, so the most important thing is that I'm available for questions and code review for him while I study :)
And I can't study 8 hours a day, so I break by looking here and there and maybe writing a little
Its nice to be the boss.
My transition to writing full time will start with scaling back my hours at my day job while my income from writing goes up, if it ever does (I expect it will as I've never failed at anything I've set my mind on due in a large part to my perseverance), until I'm in an advisory role. I'll stay on as an advisor indefinately as I have a stake in the company and I want to make sure it's protected
 
 
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8:06 PM
@NeilFein @SomeNorCalGuy: Interesting discussion indeed :)
 
@NathanCTresch - Sounds like a good plan. Good luck!
 
Going back to salvage old questions is always nice if you can have it :) But I agree with Neil that we shouldn't be bending over backwards to be accepting questions.
Not only does that negate the SE mission,
the immediate problem with ushering in low-quality questions is that it presents the entire site as low-quality. It discourages serious, experienced folks from getting interested and becoming/staying involved.
And, as an aside, as far as I'm concerned screenwriting is totally on topic :)
 
Can't imagine why it wouldn't be on-topic.
 
Amen!
That being established - bold edits are great, when you can manage 'em.
I've found that quite often, that's very difficult,
because it's hard to understand what it is that OP actually wants, or needs, without his cooperation,
and sometimes OP explicitly wants a particular something that's off-topic.
Even if OP is interested in improving the question, an SE-ized version of his question isn't necessarily attainable or helpful. Happens.
It's not a bad thing.
Plus it serves as a warning to others :P
 
8:29 PM
I'm actually very very good at understanding other peoples meanings
SO I can help with that
 
 
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9:39 PM
@NeilFein @Standback I agree that screenwriting would be on topic and welcome ... as would [shudder] poetry and just about all forms other forms of prose. Hell, I remember critiquing an email here a few weeks back. Let's take on all comers, that's fine with me (he said, thinking he had the ability to influence the matter.)
Although, that does bring something up ... there isn't a poetry SE is there? Was there one that died from neglect? Maybe an Area51 thought that got shut down? It just seems odd that there's a LEGO SE and a Biblical Hermeneutics SE and a (now defunct) Literature SE but no Poetry SE. Weird.
 
I write poetry a lot. :P
 
I tried, once, a few years ago to write poetry. But my poetry is very moon/June/spoon ... it's terrible. I thought it was bad until I found some old files when I was transferring stuff to my new PC. It was worse than I remember. It was so bad, I must have blocked it from my memory. One of the things I wrote was intended to be an homage to Shel Silverstein called "Hillary Dillary Floo" that would have him roll in his grave. I'm better off sticking with prose.
 
10:02 PM
My poetry always comes out reading like it was clearly intended to be a song, heh, so I think I'm more a songwriter than a poet. ;)
 
There is one exception to the I hate poetry rule. I love haikus. Love reading them. Love writing them. Something about creating art in a highly limited highly structured format that appeals to me. Of course, I was a journalism major. Which means I love writing in highly structured and unappreciated archaic formats.
I wrote a song once. Threw it away and burned it so there would be no evidence it ever existed.
See my moon/June/spoon reference.
 
haiku is stellar / I enjoy making them too / sometimes they just flow
And
I wrote those when I was 15 or so, and have remembered them till now, so I decided to post them
 
10:23 PM
You deleted your answer!
Or whatever.
:D
 
I'm sorry about that. I wrote "Well, those don't suck", because I liked what you wrote. Then i thought, no that could be taken wrong. So I deleted it.
And now you know... the rest of the story
Any Paul Harvey fans in here tonight? No? No. Didn't think so.
But to be clear, i liked the poems and decided to write a 'serious' comment instead of a flippant one
 
hahaha
No, I quite agree that they dont suck, even though the one that says its potentially bad in the title is expressing feelings that I havent felt since I was that age :P
So it seems silly to me now
Nice!
I'm glad you wrote them
Do you see what I mean about my poetry seeming destined to be made into a song?
 
10:40 PM
I don't really see it in "Secret Savior". But I do see it in "un-named and potentially bad poem I wrote when I was 15" (which you should totally keep for the title). I could easily see that, with a chorus, as a decent track for Metallica.
Correction: "Secret Savior" could work as a Metallica track, but it's more like one of their slower ones like "Fade to Black" or "Nothing Else Matters"
 
10:54 PM
Well, in my head I hear music
And its fast
I should get someone to play what I hear and sing it and record it
(I am also a singer, and have been in bands)
 

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