The Frying Pan

South Dakota is completely unbound, so the primary just tells them who the people want them to vote for... but they can still vote for whomever they like.

Cerberus

I was only talking about the green guys in Pennsylvania, not the red ones.

Catija

Yes, they're unbound, even in round one.

Cerberus

Right.

And my assumption was that the green girls were not added to the totals Trump has won in the papers.

Catija

Yes, I would agree with that, though Jefromi makes a good point that it may depend on the publication.

Cerberus

I think I have seen graphs where a number of of delegates were labelled as unbound and not added to Trump's total.

Catija

12:20 AM

Probably. Anyway, I'm off. You should sleep :P

Cerberus

Sleep well!

It's still early for me.

Stephie

7:56 AM

Good morning, world!

Huy

9:04 AM

Good morning, chat!

rumtscho

9:16 AM

Grrrrr

16

Q: Why do chefs use salt and pepper bowl after touching raw foods

When I see chefs on tv handling raw chicken or such and then stick their fingers in a salt bowl to seasoning them why is the salt in the bowl not contaminated too. I see this all the time on cooking shows.

food-safety

0

Q: Is it contaminating to spice to touch it after touching raw meat?

When I cook raw meat, especially chicken strips, I have it spread out on the chopping board with a few bags and containers of spice to the side. I don't actually use too many shakers for spice. Since my fingers can only hold so much spice at once, I often go back to the bag and grab some more and...

food-safety meat

Huy

?

rumtscho

The old question is badly worded

the people overlooked that and answered the real, answerable question behind the bad one

now somebody posted a new question which asks the same thing as is answered in the old one

I wonder if I should close as a duplicate

technically, it is not a duplicate, as the nominal question is different

practically, they are asking the same thing

also, if I close, I would like to keep the well worded question open and not the old badly asked one

Huy

how bad is it really though

rumtscho

but the old one has more extensive answers

so I wonder what to do, close or let them both open

and if I close one, which one

Huy

I'm pretty sure I've forgotten to wash my hand very frequently in the kitchen but I'm still alive for now - not that I do it on purpose

rumtscho

9:19 AM

that doesn't matter

your spices were contaminated. "Contaminated" doesn't mean "it will make me sick".

Huy

ok

kinda thought it did

rumtscho

no, it just has a chance to make you sick. The chance is low.

Huy

oki

Stephie

@rumtscho any chance of merging them?

rumtscho

@Stephie I could, but I don't think this will work well

if I keep the old question, I have annihilated the better one, in this case I would prefer to close the new one without merging

Stephie

9:32 AM

Or should someone heavily edit the old one?

rumtscho

if I keep the new question, the many answers to the old one won't fit the wording of the question

Hmm, now I look at the answers of the old one again, they won't be all that bad at the new one. The TV chefs are mentioned, but the answers are not centered around them.

Stephie

I didn't vtc (remembering the old one), because the new one asked about spices, the other about salt and pepper. There, one answer focuses on practises in pro kitchens, one on salt alone. The new one is from a different context (home cooking) and more general.

rumtscho

Hmm. I see that one answer is specifically about salt, but the old one still asked about "seasoning" which in my usage can include any spices beside salt.

Stephie

@rumtscho very elegantly done.

rumtscho

and the salt-specific answer is not out of place on the new one.

@Stephie thanks

Stephie

9:41 AM

Now we just need to upvote @Jefromi to adjust proportions ;-)

rumtscho

I already did

Stephie

Me too, of course

rumtscho

So others are needed to push his answer up. I hope it still gets noticed, even being the third answer now.

Stephie

Have to get started with lunch. Chicken Korma today. I sense an upturned nose with minor 2...

rumtscho

@Stephie how would you say "keep you in mind" in German, poilitely?

Stephie

9:45 AM

Kontext, please?

rumtscho

I met person A at a conference and he asked if my employer does a specific service for external people

I asked B, who works at the right department at our house, if we do

B said "no, not as a service, in principle it is possible if we set up a collaboration project together with research grant etc."

this is not what A needs

so I have to write B back and say "OK, A will keep the possibility of that collaboration in mind and get in touch with you if the opportunity arises" or similar

I'm not sure how to word that mail well, it feels delicate.

Stephie

Ich behalte sie / das Thema /... im Hinterkopf or

Ich denke an sie wenn sich was ergibt / ein Projekt aufgemacht wird / ...

Oh, sorry, writing to B.

rumtscho

yes, just to let him know that he doesn't have to start preparing for a collaboration soon

but without making him feel snubbed

> Vielen Dank für die Info. Ich habe die Information weitergegeben. Er hat im Moment kein großes neues Projekt geplant, wird aber die Möglichkeit im Kopf behalten und auf euch zukommen, wenn sich etwas in dieser Richtung ergibt.

Does it sound OK, or a bit rude?

Stephie

Passt.

rumtscho

Danke!

Dave

9:59 AM

Morning.

If I make caramel by boiling condensed milk in a can, does any one know if that will freeze solid or if it will have an ice cream like "solidity" ?

texture

Stephie

Aka dulce de leche?

No idea.

Dave

Indeed, dulce de leche

I don't have an ice cream machine, and want a small amount of caramel ice cream and was hoping it would just about freeze enough :)

Looks like, add a bit of double cream and it does :) epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/…

Stephie

Seems you're good to go.

Dave

:)

rumtscho

10:22 AM

If you are sitting home anyway, you can use the granita method to make it creamier

pour it into a flattish tupperware, stick in the freezer

every half an hour, stir by hand, breaking up what has already solidified, then put it back

Jay

1:39 PM

So I made cabbage stew last night

and its really yummy

Plus everything was really cheap

I essentially made minimum 6 meals worth of food for like $5

Tomatoes, cabbage, with like .5lbs of chopped up pork and a can of beans

It was kind of what i had lying around. I didnt want to go grocery shopping. So im happy my random whatever I had stew turned out so tasty

rumtscho

yes, random stews can turn out great

Cerberus

2:15 PM

Excellent!

Jay

The weather is gorgeous outside today

Cerberus

Were you a cabbage person? I forgot whether you liked the sulphur or not.

Jay

About 75C but with a very nice cool breeze

Cerberus

I know Rummy doesn't.

Jay

@Cerberus i do like cabbage. and brussel sprout and broccoli.

Cerberus

2:16 PM

75C is a nice temperature for sous-vide.

Oops

Or custard.

lol i meant 75F

Hehe.

and around 25C

2:17 PM

It was nice of you to at least use the C.

25C is nice.

If you can stay in the shade.

Jay

i even used google to convert the 75F to C but forgot to use the 25

Cerberus

Aww.

You tried.

That's what counts.

Jay

Theres a nice cool breeze so its perfect

Cerberus

That helps.

And dry air.

It's 14C here but I'm all sticky because it's so humid.

Jay

thats so chilly

Cerberus

2:30 PM

It's nice if you're biking or sitting in the sun...

Jay

2:56 PM

really? the temperature feels a lot colder when you are biking

or at least initially

In any case, we have very different temperature preferences :P

Cerberus

@Jay Yes, initially.

But then the exercise kicks in...

@Jay When I'm sitting in someone's shaded garden, 25C is perfect for me as well!

Jay

3:42 PM

im excited for lunch

so i can eat more of my cabbage stew!

hehe

Cerberus

4:10 PM

Haha.

My life is sometimes equally exciting.

rumtscho

4:45 PM

I'm accepting commiseration

what I have to write - it's not code, it's a travesty

0

Q: How to create looped output with knitr?

In my thesis, I have found 79 different concepts I need to describe in detail in the appendix. I used R for the analysis, and I want to use knitr for creating that appendix. Each description follows the same basic "template" filled with the values for one concept. The template is not overly com...

loops knitr

I very much hope I'm wrong and that there is a better way

Catija

How To Knit - The Basics

►

A&C is too much on the brain :P I can't see "knitr" without thinking knitting.

rumtscho

If I could turn in a sweater as my PhD, I would have had several titles by now

no, sweater is too easy

let's make it a hat for a bachelor's, sweater for a master's, lace shawl for PhD

Cerberus

Hmm sounds painful.

rumtscho

I would still have a bunch

on a more serious note, the knitting reference is intended

Cerberus

Can't you e.g. write a programme that simulates the input you'd need to give to Latex and execute that when needed?

rumtscho

4:48 PM

the older technology is called "Sweave"

Cerberus

Even simulate mouse clicks if needed (I have no idea how Latex works).

rumtscho

the idea is that you weave in S expressions (or R, as R is a free implementation of the proprietary language S) within LaTeX code

Catija

@rumtscho Interesting... so someone made a series of tech based on bastardizations of fibercraft terms?

rumtscho

so the guy who wrote the better version wanted something reminiscent of "weaving" and thought it is like "knitting"

Catija

But they're so completely different.

rumtscho

4:50 PM

and made it "knit-R" because it knits R code into LaTeX documents

Catija

Ah... now that makes more sense/

rumtscho

from the point of view of code, there is no difference if the foreign "matter" is knitted or weaved into it

@Cerberus that's what I'm doing, and it is hideous, and a pain to write

just think of all the possibilities to mistype stuff

or to forget to escape a backslash

Cerberus

Ah OK.

I pity you.

rumtscho

and the knitr code gets compiled to LaTeX code by knitr, which then gets compiled separately by a LaTeX compiler to a PDF

which means that I can't create a loop in LaTeX (which would create some WTFs on its own, but not as many) and fill it in with R expressions

Cerberus

That must be annoying.

rumtscho

6:24 PM

Argh! Now I really don't know whether to laugh or cry or what.

The coding brought me into a blind alley

Jay

its not impossible to both cry and laugh

but i guess thats not really helpful

rumtscho

an expression which is output by standard R just disappears when it is output by knitr into LaTeX without throwing any errors

so I did what any frustrated grad student does: checked my mails.

Cerberus

Oh, dear!

Haha.

rumtscho

My prof wrote back that she has read the chapter I sent her yesterday

Jay

When i need a "moment" i go on a pee break

rumtscho

6:26 PM

it is a chapter describing basically all the work I did in the last two years

it was a systematic literature study. I had to go over the same 136 articles over and over again, extracting data, analysing it, noticing that there are flaws in my analysis, devising a different method, realizing that I need some other data for it, back to extracting...

so now it is complete, and I described it

it had two research questions

1) which concepts have been linked to satisfaction

for example, in some of these studies the authors calculate the correlation between usability and satisfaction, others calculate the correlation between learnability and satisfaction, and so on

I found 79 such concepts

and then 2) how strong is the link of each of those concepts to satisfaction

the second one is known as a meta analysis

if there are three studies which find a strong link between learnability and satisfaction, I can say that there is a strong link

but mostly there are 10 studies, of which 3 find a weak link, 5 find a medium, and 2 find a strong one, and I spent ages devising a way to decide what to do with those cases

anyway, that's complete, and I described it

and there comes her offhand comment

"It would be interesting in the discussion to say why these concepts have a strong or a weak relationship to satisfaction"

WTFFFF!!!!!

How should I know why they have a strong or a weak link

Jefromi

@rumtscho Is she asking for a conclusion with some speculations about causes?

rumtscho

@Jefromi I don't know, she only wrote this one sentence. I will ask her what she means.

But I don't even have enough to go on for a speculation

also, I'd really hate to bring in random speculations into the discussion

Cerberus

Perhaps she is just asking for an hypothesis.

Speculation, yes.

But the discussion comes at the end, right?

rumtscho

really, if it were obvious that the weakly linked concepts are not good for measuring satisfaction, those people wouldn't have studied them in conjunction with satisfaction

Cerberus

So it's basically in addition to your main research.

rumtscho

6:33 PM

the discussion is not an addition, it is a summary of "what did we learn"

Cerberus

But you can pepper it with a few bits of speculation?

Without basing them on your research.

Jefromi

I know I've seen speculation in conclusions before, in the vein of "some parting thoughts, maybe directions for further investigation, etc".

rumtscho

I have no good basis for speculation

Cerberus

Maybe you don't need a basis.

rumtscho

yes, the "directions for further investigation" thing is common

Jefromi

6:34 PM

And it's often without much solid basis... but it's also nicely isolated.

rumtscho

but they are not explanations gotten out of thin air

Cerberus

Can you think of any causes for weak or strong relationships?

rumtscho

@Cerberus no, I can't

Cerberus

I'd say out of thin air is OK in this situation?

I suppose 79 concepts is way too much to be able to speculate about them all.

Stephie

@rumtscho, do you happen to know the English term for "Hexenstich"?

rumtscho

6:36 PM

@Stephie if I do, I don't know that I do

Cerberus

@Stephie Cross stitch maybe? I see some images that are similar for both search terms in Google Images.

rumtscho

@Cerberus that's one of the problems

the other is that in my view, filling my thesis with unsubstantiated speculations is worse than offering no explanations at all

especially when my research goal wasn't to find explanations

Cerberus

But it's not filling?

It's just an afterthought.

Jefromi

I totally agree about not putting speculation in the middle of things, and not speculating about a million things, but I do think you might have a fairly high standard for what constitutes substantiation for speculation :)

rumtscho

I mean, imagine your standard metaanalysis

Cerberus

6:38 PM

@Jefromi Rummy is indeed very thorough and precise!

rumtscho

maybe the one which finds that Prozac isn't better than placebo (I've heard it exists, but haven't read it)

Could you imagine the people there starting to speculate about the reasons why Prozac doesn't work?

Cerberus

What is the correlation between learnability and satisfaction? Is it positive, negative? Strong, weak?

rumtscho

it's ridiculous

Cerberus

I think people do just that in articles?

Stephie

@Cerberus nope. It's a stitch to fix two fabrics slightly elastic and almost invisibley. And you stitch against the general sewing direction.

Whatever, more googling later.

Cerberus

6:39 PM

@Stephie Oh, I see.

Sounds complicated.

But useful.

rumtscho

@Cerberus OK, let's see. The first concept I have on my list is "accessibility". Defined as "refers to the speed of access and availability of the Web site at all times".

Jefromi

I guess you might have some basis when there's weak correlation because your sources might've mentioned causes of noise, confounding factors, etc?

rumtscho

What would your speculation be for its relationship strength to satisfaction?

@Jefromi I am working with 800+ separate correlations. I don't have the time to look into each one separately and see if the authors mentioned causes of noise or similar.

Jefromi

Sure, didn't mean you should necessarily do it, just that it might in principle be possible in some cases.

Cerberus

People are psychologically disinclined to enjoy waiting, so a fast website is more satisfactory. And a lack of availability means positive expectations do not come true, so more disappointment and less satisfaction.

These are fairly universal human characteristics, so a strong link is perhaps not unexpected.

What I would find hard to describe, though, is the relation between my speculation and Rummy's satisfaction!

rumtscho

6:44 PM

@Cerberus well yes, that's just an explanation of why it would have some link to satisfaction at all. But there are such reasons for every single concept on my list, including the ones which turned out to not be related to satisfaction.

Cerberus

Okay, and can you think of counter-arguments for the weak ones?

rumtscho

So thinking up such explanations for the positively related ones is useless, because they obviously don't have to be true.

Cerberus

What is an example of a weak one?

rumtscho

user participation

Jefromi

Y'all aren't exactly having the same conversation, I don't think.

Cerberus

6:45 PM

@rumtscho What does that mean?

@Jefromi We are engaging in a Socratic dialogue.

Jefromi

Yes, you can speculate about absolutely any of what rumtscho's found, but she doesn't think that's worth doing.

rumtscho

it means the degree to which users were involved in creating the software, like asking them "what features would you like to see"

Cerberus

Ah, OK.

Jefromi

@Cerberus you are engaging in a socratic dialogue; I'm not sure rumtscho needs a demonstration that you can speculate about everything. Could be wrong, though.

rumtscho

I can surely come up with some reason why it doesn't matter much for the final satisfaction.

But the problem is that, had it been that learnability has a weak link to satisfaction and user participation a strong one, I could have come up with speculations for that constellation too.

Cerberus

6:48 PM

Well, then you could perhaps offer some counter-arguments, such as: 1. there is some time in between the involvement and actually using the end result, and that time may dull the positive link. 2. There is a chance that they won't like their own contribution as much as they expected, which would be extra disappointing, because it is an unfulfilled positive expectation.

rumtscho

so my speculations have zero explanatiory value.

Cerberus

@rumtscho Yes, but isn't that why it's speculation?

rumtscho

I am OK with educated guesses.

Cerberus

But speculation has even lower standards.

Perhaps none at all.

rumtscho

But if there is good evidence that the educated guesses are not consistent with reality, then I prefer to not make any.

Cerberus

6:49 PM

Because they might be wrong?

rumtscho

They are worse than wrong - they are misleading.

Cerberus

Oh, wait, you said evidence.

rumtscho

They seem like nice plausible explanations, and invite people to believe in them

Cerberus

Yes, okay, but what if there is no evidence one way or another?

That is true: it is important that don't treat speculation as more than it is.

rumtscho

If there is no evidence, then there should be no conclusions made based on the missing evidence

Cerberus

6:52 PM

But what if you explicitly say that you're speculating? Then readers are cautioned not to believe it, but just consider it "food for thought".

rumtscho

psychologically, the caution doesn't matter

Cerberus

It may matter less than it should.

rumtscho

you remember statements you read much stronger than modifiers about their truth value

Cerberus

However, isn't the food for thought worth something?

rumtscho

and from a scientific point of view, they are worthless at best - if the readers are very scrupolous about not taking them as true

Jefromi

6:53 PM

There may be a lower standard for speculation in conclusions of a paper than for the claims in the paper itself, but it's not a "zero" standard either.

rumtscho

but harmful in other cases - if readers forget that they are completely random

Cerberus

@rumtscho They may inspire others to conduct new research in order to test the speculated cause?

rumtscho

the presence of the link itself should be enough inspiration

Cerberus

I don't know: I think I would find speculation about the mechanism behind the link extra inspiring.

rumtscho

the creation of a new hypothesis worth testing requires much more than a bad speculation, and it should be done by the person who wants to do the test, in the first step of their research, using more sources than just my information that the link exists.

Cerberus

6:55 PM

Then again, I won't be researching in your field.

rumtscho

Look, if there was any sign that my speculation is worth something, I would do it.

Cerberus

Yes, it requires more, but that doesn't mean inspiration doesn't work or has no part in the emergence of an hypothesis.

So why do you think your professor wants the speculation?

Jefromi

Maybe the professor doesn't even want the speculation, she's just expressing curiosity?

rumtscho

I think she wants it because she wants to know the reasons

Jefromi

and so "I don't really have that information, neither do the papers I reviewed" would be a fair response.

rumtscho

6:57 PM

If I could list such reasons, my results would be much more likely to be accepted for publication in a good journal

She really said that she expects me to include such reasons in the discussion

Cerberus

I see.

Jefromi

hm. Just unreasonably high expectations, perhaps?

rumtscho

she is correct that it would make for a much more interesting article

Cerberus

But would she still be interested in those reasons if they were baseless speculation?

rumtscho

@Jefromi Yes. This is typical for her.

I mean, it is a recurrent problem here, because I also have very high expectations of myself

just today talked about it with my customer (who has been advisor to many PhD students myself) and her advice was that I should learn to cut corners and just produce a deliverable study instead of making every last detail perfect

Cerberus

7:00 PM

She's probably right...but it's easier said than done.

rumtscho

but within my PhD-writing department, we all know that our professor is the worse perfectionist.

Cerberus

How about if you offered two contradictory speculations for each link that you mention?

rumtscho

Come up with 160 separate speculations? This would take me weeks, and I don't have that time. Or the space to write them up in the dissertation.

Cerberus

There is a weak link between x and statisfaction. On the one hand, that might perhaps be expected based on speculation that p. On the other hand, one might expect the opposite based on q.

rumtscho

and it would, in my view, severely reduce the quality of the thesis.

Cerberus

7:03 PM

@rumtscho Oh, no, just treat two or three salient links.

rumtscho

I don't see any of them as salient. They are all the same to me.

Cerberus

If you offer two mutually exclusive speculative 'causes', then people can't just read it as if you really thought one cause or the other was a justified explanation.

@rumtscho Hmm perhaps that is something you could talk about with your professor: there is no space or time available for speculation about each link. Do you should I should pick two or three? Which ones do you think are most salient?

Two opposing explanations could also serve as a nice illustration of the uselessness of speculation.

rumtscho

The best I can expect of this is for my professor to understand better why it is nonsense. In the worst case, she will still want me to include it.

jinx.

Cerberus

Hah.

Jefromi

@rumtscho I guess the two things that might be naively interesting would be strongest correlations, and weakest correlations for things that are routinely prioritized. But I still agree that it's a little much to expect something like your work to generate a ton of new knowledge about underlying reasons like that.

rumtscho

7:07 PM

I purposefully don't use "strongest correlations" and "weakest correlations"

Jefromi

never mind then!

rumtscho

it is inadmissible to do numerical comparisons between different psychometric studies, the measurements are just not that precise

so I very early divide the effects into "strong", "medium", "weak" and "no clear effect" and leave them at that

Cerberus

And a strong effect can be positive or negative?

rumtscho

There are 22 concepts in "strong" and 2 in "none", which is still too much.

Cerberus

Or do you have no negative effects?

rumtscho

7:09 PM

in principle yes, in practice all are positive.

Cerberus

OK.

Are there any effects that are strong even though the average person might not expect a strong effect there?

rumtscho

In reality, I am not even claiming that the categorization is correct in principle

Cerberus

Understandable.

rumtscho

I have a model with 80 variables and 136 data points - that would be the mother of all multiple testing analyses!

Jefromi

Presumably people tend to come up with concepts they think will be positive for users, so as long as their intuitions aren't totally off, they won't end up with negative correlations?

Cerberus

7:11 PM

"Unexpected" may be salient.

rumtscho

So I don't do hypothesis testing, I only do descriptive statistics on the available data set, with a bit of a sensitivity analysis

@Jefromi yes, that's a speculation I did include, to explain the absence of negative correlations.

this is an example of a speculation I am comfortable with, it feels reasonable and I cannot come up with equally good speculations for the opposite effect.

@Cerberus yes, I thought of that, this would be the two concepts without no effect at all.

Cerberus

Ah, OK.

You could do those.

rumtscho

Still, I don't think I can come up with a good speculation for them - my gut feeling is that they should have an effect on satisfaction, so any speculations which try to explain why they didn't have it are unsatisfactory.

Cerberus

What are the two concepts?

rumtscho

user participation is the one, effort is the other

as in, "the amount of effort it takes to use the system"

Cerberus

7:16 PM

Hmm odd.

How about the delay between creating the software and actually using it once it's finished?

rumtscho

What do you mean by "odd"?

that your gut feeling is also that they should have some link to satisfaction?

Cerberus

Odd as in, I would have expected a positive correlation too.

Yes.

rumtscho

because that is true of all 79 concepts on the list

Cerberus

I'm sure.

Jefromi

More effort as long as it works means more satisfaction! You did something hard, good job! But if it doesn't pay off then it means more frustration :(

Cerberus

7:18 PM

But that doesn't make the lack in these two expected.

rumtscho

if people think that a concept won't have a link to satisfaction, they don't make a correlation study linking it to satisfaction in the first place.

Cerberus

Of course.

@Jefromi Sounds good to me.

rumtscho

It doesn't matter which ones fall into the "no effect" category, it would have been unexpected for any of them.

Cerberus

@rumtscho So those people researchers expected a link. And I would probably share their expectation. So it's odd when my and their expectation doesn't come true.

@rumtscho So the expected result would be that all concepts have a clear positive effect.

Of course it's not "odd" on a deeper level.

Because expectations are often not fulfilled.

rumtscho

Yes, for each of the concepts in isolation, it is odd that they don't have a positive effect on satisfaction.

Cerberus

7:20 PM

Yeah.

That's what I meant.

rumtscho

But it is not odd that it is those two which were measured to have no effect and not some other two.

Cerberus

Indeed not.

rumtscho

In reality, I have no explanation why some of the concepts on the list were measured to have a better relationship to satisfaction than others.

Cerberus

Of course.

Stephie

7:34 PM

<Sigh.>

Hi Stephie!

Hi Catija!

Feeling better?

Sigh? Your chicken korma stays there uneaten and your child runs around hungry?

Stephie

Hi @Catija!

Catija

7:34 PM

@Jefromi HI!

So many serious discussions in here these last two days :D

rumtscho

I must be a bad influence then, I return from vacation and suddenly the room turns serious :)

Stephie

@rumtscho nope, wonder of wonders: she ate one piece of meat and some sauce. (And an extra serving of plain rice.

The sigh was deep satisfaction: A sandwich with salad leaves and radishes picked from the balcony just minutes ago.

Cerberus

@rumtscho Not at all! We've also had plenty of silly conversations.

Catija

@Cerberus Yeah... I'm blaming Cerberus ;)

Cerberus

growls

Catija

7:38 PM

Crap, forgot about all the teeth... nice doggie?

Cerberus

Wait, for what?

Catija

Have a biscuit?... or three?

Cerberus

For the silly conversations or the serious ones?

Stephie

@Cerberus <offers a bite of sandwich>

Cerberus

Thank you, both!

nibbles

Who am I kidding... devours

Stephie

7:42 PM

@rumtscho ha, and for running around hungry: she knows how to fix herself a bowl of cereal...

rumtscho

all is settled then

I have much understanding for her

used to be a very picky eater myself as a child

(although I at least had the excuse of growing up with a mother who didn't cook well)

Cerberus

And now you're no longer picky?

Stephie

@rumtscho She might claim the same...

rumtscho

I didn't starve, and I have less weight management problems than my former classmates who were required to finished their plates

I am still picky about some stuff, but eat much more than as a child, both in relative and absolute terms

Cerberus

I see.

rumtscho

7:46 PM

@Stephie I suspect it would be much less substantiated than in my case

Stephie

Oh, gosh, the old "finish your plate" battle. We put our foot down with the grandparents nine years ago and repeated it occasionally. Now the kids remind them themselves.

rumtscho

You are focusing on details of food quality my mother wouldn't have noticed if they bit her in the tushy

ElmerCat

11:40 PM

What number d'ja dial?

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