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8:06 AM
o/
 
Hi hon.
 
I literally popped in here just in time to see your avatar go live.
Upon @rumtscho's recommendation, I'm watching Sense8.
 
oh yes?
 
Have you watched it?
I've just started the third episode.
It's definitely out there.
 
8:20 AM
No, don't think I'd even heard of it until the other day
it sounds like a health spa
 
It's a head twisting story of a group of eight people who are psychically linked.
They all became one of the eight at the same time (just now), but they are very different characters from all over the world.
I think it's the kind of thing that will only just now start to make sense.
 
I think I will watch the first three episodes again before I watch the fourth.
 
good grief, if it's that hard to dial in to, is it worth watching? (*≧▽≦)
 
I think some people would say that about Game of Thrones.
 
8:30 AM
that has boobs though
 
And I'm dialed into it
 
boobs make up for a lot of confusion
 
This has sex that would make Game of Thrones blush.
 
As I was saying, I'm dialed into it, but now that it's clearer, I want to be clear on things like names. And exactly who is who.
There is exactly no exposition, you just have to figured it out as it's happening.
And since we travel through time and space, without warning, it can get a bit confusing.
 
8:35 AM
at least you don't have to deal with the American-style hard-cut to commercials with Netflix :)
one minute you're watching a shoot-out, the next someone's cleaning a toilet bowl
O.o
oh right, 'commercial'
 
Two weeks until the election. This is making me crazy.
 
it's a foregone conclusion by now surely?
though that's we said about Brexit (-‸ლ)
and that's why no one is calling it for certain right now
 
Yes, it is pretty much a foregone conclusion that Hillary will win. But, this has been a year of surprises.
But there's more to it than just who wins. Trump is spouting some very dangerous rhetoric.
If I dig up about a five-minute video about it, could you watch it?
 
8:55 AM
haha, too late, the boss just appeared
 
That's okay, that isn't the video I was looking for anyway. Bottom line is this: Trump has been spouting rhetoric for weeks that the election is rigged, and if he loses, it will be because the election was stolen.
If the election is called against him, and he doesn't do what election losers do (concede), there may be blood.
 
hmmm
I doubt it
but, 2016
 
I would have doubted it too a few weeks ago.
All lot of very respected columnists and op-ed writers are cautiously warning that this could actually happen.
It's not going to be a full-on revolution, but I think it is entirely possible that people will die over this.
I think it's important that Trump not only lose, but that he loses huge.
 
yep! :)
 
9:05 AM
this is another problem of the two party system you basically have
there's no shade of grey, you're either one or the other
 
There may be more hope for third-party candidates because of this selection.
 
couple that with a highly religious mindset and you have a significant amount of people who are simply unable to be convinced otherwise
 
Hi guys!
 
they're like moon-landing conspiracists
@Cindy hi
 
Hi Cindy!
 
9:09 AM
Did you guys do anything fun over the weekend?
 
He even whined on twitter about SNL not being nice to him. SNL should just pack it up if there isn't an election happening. They excel at elections.
@Cindy I'm scared to leave my apartment! Trump supporters everywhere.
 
@Cindy tried to sell prints
only sold 3 though :/
quiet event
too close to pay day (prior to)
 
@ElendilTheTall Timing..... But still, 3 isn't bad.
 
it is when they're only £25 a piece or thereabouts :D
 
@Jolenealaska Haha!
@ElendilTheTall True. But there is something to be said for being there and getting your prints in front of people.
 
9:13 AM
@Cindy I'm not even entirely kidding. I've been accosted in medical waiting rooms and grocery store checkout lines.
I think I'll just pretend to be deaf until the election is over.
 
@Jolenealaska Are you wearing a Clinton t-shirt?
 
I think I just look like a potential Democrat.
And I can't help but use words that give me away as having a few brain cells to rub together.
That's a dead giveaway.
 
I steer clear of any discussions I hear. We're royally screwed either way, so I just want it to be over. It's sad, really.
 
I'm going to vote early tomorrow.
I really do think Clinton is going to be okay.
 
I won't be giving either my stamp of approval.
 
9:18 AM
She's not my favorite either, but she's not going to do anything monumentally stupid.
 
@Jolenealaska You need to take the rose colored glasses off.
 
What do you think she will do?
 
Who knows? She's not an honest or reliable person.
Because Trump is a <insert your word of choice>, it doesn't make her any better than what she is.
 
I think she's very reliable. She is cunning and self-serving. She lies like a politician, but she has solid experience and a strong desire to be a president that will be treated well by history.
 
Now would be a great time to write 2017: The Second Civil War
 
9:23 AM
@ElendilTheTall I'd be on the front lines! ;)
 
throwing bricks of cheese
 
Yes!
 
Do you respect The Telegraph?
 
the British Telegraph?
 
9:34 AM
ummm
well, they're a staunchly Conservative paper
 
I don't know anything about it, hence my asking.
 
i think they have as much integrity as can be said for any publication
 
It has an auto-play video in that article.
But the article is good.
 
I certainly perceive them to be more trustworthy than the Daily Mail and Daily Express, which are both trash
 
I know if the Daily Mail, not of the Express.
 
9:36 AM
I think if you read The Guardian, The Independent, and The Telegraph, you'd have a fairly balanced view
ugh, the Express
the worst kind of reactionary garbage
only vaguely less fascist than the mail
IMMIGRANT SINGLE MOTHER PAEDOPHILES ARE TAKING OUR JOBS - IF ONLY DIANA WERE HERE!
But heatwave to strike Britain!
ugh
it's the paper of angry red faced retirees in stupidly coloured trousers
look at the front page - Immigrants, Brexit, Immigrants, Royals
 
One of HBO's late-night shows has a young South African host. He has drawn some really adept parallels between Trump and African despots.
 
Storm this and fury that
 
@Jolenealaska "She lies like a politician...". That says a lot about how low we set the bar for our leaders. Most people expect and accept that they will be liars and criminals. To me, that is just plain wrong.
 
@Cindy of course it's wrong, but we only have the choice of one of them right now.
Clinton won't be anything worse than what we're used to.
 
@Jolenealaska That's only part of what's wrong with our electoral system. I keep hearing about how each vote counts. Really?
@Jolenealaska True. But look where we're at with what we're used to. We need to demand change for the better rather than accept the status quo.
 
9:47 AM
It's past my bedtime. I have a long doctor's appt tomorrow.
@Cindy hopefully this election will be a wake-up call.
Good night!
 
Hopefully! Sleep tight!
 
10:07 AM
and then there was one
<mournful violin>
 
10:23 AM
Tsk... I've been listening to various presentations all morning. Unfortunately, some were less than stellar.
<cue screeching violins>
Would an early lunch help? And what are you having, @ElendilTheTall?
(Darn, almost no reception here. Every post needs five tries until it goes through.)
 
 
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11:49 AM
@Stephie a migraine :(
 
12:06 PM
@ElendilTheTall :( Feel better!
 
 
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1:09 PM
Ugh, all these Scoville questions we get. Why are people so proud about "I can eat hotter than you can"?, to the point that they want to put a number on it?
It's a weird thing to brag about.
Some can eat hotter because they literally have less sensors for capsaicine on their tongues.
Then they are bragging about "My nervous system has less cells of a certain type than yours, reducing the acuity of my taste perception".
 
Others can eat hotter because they ate hot so frequently that they created a habituation effect, where they don't experience the pain any more.
Then it is like bragging "I lived for so many years keeping pigs in my bedroom, I can't perceive the stench of pigs anymore" - true, but not necessarily a worthy achievement
 
As someone from a culture of spicy food
sooooo true
 
and the third possibility is that they are experiencing the pain but forcing themselves to still chug the hot sauce while it burns them terribly
then they are bragging about "Here is an important biological function, but I can use my mind to override it and harm myself just because I want to"
I won't contest anybody's desire to eat spicy. Whatever floats their boat.
But the expectation of humans to be rated on their ability to eat it, and to be admired for it, is rather puzzling.
OK, I was somewhat mean by choosing my habituation example with a pig stench
a more neutral example would be spending 15 minutes in bright sunlight and then not being able to find your way through an unlit room
the point is, habituation is a perfectly natural and widespread phenomenon of our nervous system
triggering it is not an accomplishement
 
 
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2:35 PM
@Sobachatina hello
 
Awww, @ElendilTheTall, lonly again?
 
always
 
Oh, suddenly the FP comes alive! Hi @JourneymanGeek!
 
hi
lol
I pop in randomly throughout the day;p
 
2:47 PM
Any news?
 
@ElendilTheTall Hello.
 
long time no see
did we offend you in some way ಠ_ಠ
;)
 
Nope. Just life interrupting.
And I thought it might be cool to sometimes get some work done at work.
 
lol
god forbid
(tho I must say the nature of my current job makes it hard to randomly pop into chat)
 
We had a neighbor with an apple orchard who had a bumper crop.
The kids and I went and picked a couple hundred pounds of apples.
We spent all morning this Saturday juicing some of them.
Now we have about 30 gallons of raw apple cider in the freezer.
It's amazingly good. I'm really excited about it.
 
2:55 PM
ah, the great US/UK cider dichotomy
 
Geez! What a harvest!
 
Our store room is filled with apples and bottled apricots. It was a really good year for fruit.
@ElendilTheTall Does cider only mean hard cider to you?
Or does it mean something else entirely?
 
hello @Sobachatina!
Nice to see you again.
 
cider is unfiltered applejuice no?
 
@rumtscho Hi! Nice to see you too. Anything new?
 
2:59 PM
I only know cider as the alcoholic kind (fermented apple juice). It's a loanword though.
@Sobachatina I wish. Although, you might not know about the job I started in July.
It is nominally still at the same research institute, but research institutes tend to consist of autonomous departments. So it is something entirely different now. Other people, other contract type, other things to do...
 
@JourneymanGeek That's what it means to me. 'Hard cider' being the same thing fermented.
@rumtscho Do you like it?
 
yup
which is amusing cause in theory our english should be more UK influenced
 
Is there no UK equivalent to the US drink "hot apple cider" aka unfiltered apple juice not fermented served warm with cinnamon and/or nutmeg?
 
@Sobachatina I do like it. As opposed to my last project, my new one is sized appropriately, with many work packages working towards the same goal. And the people I report to are able to see the big picture in ways in which my previous "boss" was completely shortsighted.
The only problem is that I'm paid for 50% FTE but can't manage to meet my deadlines in that time, which has consequences for my dissertation, which is still going forward at a glacial pace :(
 
"glacial pace" these days means that your progress is actually receding at a startling rate. :)
3
What is FTE?
 
3:17 PM
@Sobachatina haha that's great
 
@Sobachatina "Full time equivalent". One FTE is 40 hours per week worth of worktime.
 
I see.
 
I thought this way of calculating worktime was universal, seeing that it's an English abbreviation used in Germany. But maybe it is specific to Europe, or to scientific projects.
 
Cider in the UK is only an alcoholic beverage
everything else is juice
 
and how are you, beside the apple-picking? Your children are probably quite grown by now.
 
3:25 PM
@rumtscho Things are going well. Doing a lot outdoors.
Working on halloween costumes for everyone.
We have three Halloween parties this week. :)
 
oh! What are you planning this year?
 
My costume is simpler this year. Not trying to impress.
I was recruited to join a group of friends that get hired by the local zoo to dress up like pirates and entertain young children at the zoo's halloween night.
So this year I have to make a pirate costume as I don't have one.
But I'm doing my best to make it more historically accurate and less cliche.
We'll see.
I don't have time to make more than one costume this year.
 
isn't the point of costumes to be cliche? The problem with historically acurate is that it is not recognizable.
 
My 5 year old has a fuzzy raccoon costume. We were afraid he was getting to old for fuzzy animal costumes but as soon as he saw it he put it on, giggled, and took a nap curled up in it.
My 14 year old daughter is taking him trick or treating this year so she is dressing as a huntress of Artemis. She thought it would go well with the raccoon.
 
She is 14? How the time flies.
 
3:31 PM
@rumtscho It's true. It's a fine line. My costume is basically going to be standard American colonial era dress with weapons and an ear ring.
@rumtscho I find it disturbing.
According to Monty Python, I am officially not old this year.
 
I'm afraid I don't know their jokes by heart
 
3:59 PM
Making Kenji's chili recipe tonight. Have to stop by a Mexican grocery store for dried chilis.
 
ah, that's a good one.
 
4:46 PM
chili chili chili
 
hey @Jefromi
your Texan ears seem to perk up when you hear chili :)
 
5:09 PM
yes! and I was just deciding yesterday if I should order $80 of dried chilis online
 
wow, that's a lot of chili, or maybe a small amount of very precious chili. What did you decide?
 
I should proooobably go buy some at the mexican grocery stores first and then fill in the gaps :)
I think they were $8-16/lb, so... kind of expensive but not horribly.
 
5:23 PM
A pound dried is a pretty big bag :)
 
yes. that's a lot of peppers
 
Anyway I can get guajillo, ancho, and probably pasilla fairly easily at stores here, and morita chipotles but harder to find mulato, and meco chipotles (they're extra smoky).
 
I can't say I've eaten enough peppers to make such distinctions
 
Apparently ancho, mulato, and pasilla are the holy trinity for mole, so who am I to argue!
(I like to use the storebought paste as a starting point then add extra chiles to get a richer fuller flavor.)
 
5:45 PM
mmmmm
This conversation is relevant to my interests
ancho is my jammy jam
 
6:01 PM
My first Google result for [holy trinity mole sauce] is chilepepperinstitute.org/content/files/00%20winter.pdf
This site seems relevant to my interests:
> The Chile Pepper Institute is the only international, non-profit organization devoted to education and research related to Capsicum, or chile peppers.
 
at New Mexico State, so if you're ever in Las Cruces...
> The Horticulture Center hosts a seasonal public teaching and touring garden, showcasing 150 chile pepper varieties from around the world.
 
6:42 PM
Happy Birthday to me...
Two years of Seasoned Advice today - how time flies!
 
7:02 PM
Sigh, my fourth-highest-scoring answer is now the silly fahrenheit/celsius temperature one...
@Stephie happy birthday, thanks for all the answers!
 
7:59 PM
I just went to a mexican grocery store to get bulk peppers.
The dried peppers in the grocery stores here are ancient and dried out.
That is one thing I miss about Texas- fresh, dried peppers in bulk in any grocery store.
 
Yeah, it's spotty around here, some of the not-Mexican stores will have them, but often pretty overpriced.
 
Sue
8:56 PM
@Stephie Happy birthday from me too!!! You're awesome, and SA and other SE's, like GL, are blessed to have you!
 
Sue
9:10 PM
@rumtscho or anyone. I popped in to ask a policy-related question. It's not urgent at all. I'll be in and out for the next few hours, so if anyone's in the mood, just ping me back. If not, I'll catch you another time!
 
@Sue I'm around for a bit
 
Sue
@Jefromi Hi! I'm warning you that I have a cat on my lap so if she helps me type, you never know what you'll get!
I have a question as a new reviewer, and I don't know if should be asked here, or a meta post.
 
can ask quickly here and see?
 
Sue
Okey doke...
I have first post and late answer privileges here, but am kind of confused how to use them. It's not black and while like at GL. Some stuff is obvious, but other stuff isn't. It kind of boils down to "what makes a good question/answer on this specific site?"
 
I think that's very much a per-answer question, and depends a bit on how helpful you want to be.
And it's a per-user thing too; you're certainly entitled to your own views on exactly what is and isn't a good answer.
 
Sue
9:20 PM
@Jefromi I want to be very helpful! I like to vote a lot, but because it's such a low voting site, I can't really use other people as a measure.
I read a lot of meta posts and try to keep an eye on what's been closed.
I can see that there are lots of close votes all the time, I just can't see what types of questions they are.
 
I wouldn't rely too much on other people's voting. If you think that a post is useful, you can upvote; if you think it issues serious enough to warrant a caution you can downvote or comment.
I don't think you need to worry about close votes too too much, since you can't cast them?
If you do want to try to preemptively improve questions before they're closed... looking at the recent closed questions is probably the best way to get a sense of gray areas: cooking.stackexchange.com/search?tab=newest&q=closed%3ayes
 
Sue
That's very helpful.
In general, how is a new answer to an old post handled when it kind of looks low quality but is no different from some of the ancient things.
What I mean is,
should I ask a link-only answer to expand, like we do at GL, even though there may be a bunch of the same link-only answers that have been there already.
Things like that.
 
@Jefromi especially with regard to your recent call for voting / closing, right? Not that the comunity would be too eager. @Sue's right, the discipline seems better or ar least more vote-happy at Gardening.
 
Sue
Also,
 
I'd say if it's really really really duplicative we might delete it, if it's just rehashing... eh, vote up/down as you see fit.
 
Sue
9:28 PM
Hi Stephie! @Jefromi That makes sense. Also, it seems that SA is particularly hard because it brings so many people from "regular" forums.
When reviewing a new post at GL we focus on educating them. Should I be doing that here too?
 
@Stephie yes more voting is better, helping users good too :)
@Sue Yes, of course, when you think it's valuable.
Unregistered users who post a single low-quality answer may not be worth a ton of effort.
 
Sue
@Jefromi I notice we have a lot of unregistered users here. So basically I should do what I do at GL, to the best of my ability?
Ooops, that was a weird font!!!!
 
I think there's kind of an understanding that not everyone has time to do everything for everyone, so, do what you think is helpful, where you think it'll have impact, when you have time, etc.
 
Sue
So there's nothing a new reviewer can learn by what the community has voted on?
 
@Sue, my approach depends on time and mood (and a bit on whether it's a registered user or not). If I have time and am feeling generous or benevolent, I leave a welcome message with instructions / questions / explanations. Other times, it's a quick flag or vote.
 
Sue
9:33 PM
It's kind of a backwards way of asking if votes are the measure of the community's opinion.
 
I'm a little lost what you're trying to figure out. Do you want to know when to vote?
 
Is that fair? No. But hey, better than nothing.
 
Or are we talking about helping people avoid closure?
 
Sue
@Stephie You have the best welcome/greeting message I've ever seen! I've frequently thought about copying it!
@Jefromi Yes, I think so - or at least getting a better understanding of the criteria for closure.
 
@Sue feel free to recycle what you consider useful ;-)
 
9:35 PM
So, the core things like broad/opinion-based are the same as you're used to, though I'm sure people have different notions of how to draw lines. I'm not sure how to get a sense of that besides looking at past questions.
 
Sue
@Stephie Thanks!
 
Beyond that, the custom close reasons are: nutrition/medical advice, recipe recommendations (whether recipe for X or what should I make for dinner), and what can I do with X.
 
Sue
@Jefromi Okay-that's helpful.
 
Most things that fall afoul of those aren't terribly salvageable, honestly.
 
Sue
@Jefromi That's what I wondered.
Also,
 
9:37 PM
Like... nutrition, sometimes we can steer someone from "healthy substitute X" to "low-fat X" if they're willing to explain what they actually want.
Recipe recommendations, sometimes they're actually starting from a failed recipe and we can tell them what to fix or look for in a new recipe rather than just recommending recipes in general.
 
Sue
I do notice that there are people, like you guys, who work hard to help give someone a chance at salvaging a question.
 
but... more commonly it's just "is this healthy" or "recipe for X" and there's not much to do.
 
Sue
When do we point people to the canonical "food safety" question? It seems that each person deserves their own answer, but I know that's frustrating for some long-time users.
 
backing up to the issue of what to do while reviewing... I think it's higher impact to help people clarify questions than to worry about closure. We get more on-topic questions with potential for clarification than we do close-worthy ones.
@Sue it sort of depends on how you interpret the question.
I think we might as well always point them at it just in case.
Some people tend to read questions as "I know this is unsafe, but am I going to get sick" in which case it's not really a duplicate, it's just an unanswerable health question.
Some people tend to read questions as "is this unsafe?" in which case it is a duplicate.
 
Sue
@Jefromi That's the core thing to think about then, that we can help people write a better question.
 
9:42 PM
And some questions lean one way or another. So I figure eh, it's hard to sort out, just point them at it in case it helps.
 
Sue
@Jefromi So point them to it but also try to help them?
 
we're talking about two things at once here
food safety - point them to it if there's a chance it'll help; beyond that there's probably not much to do, they're probably either asking a duplicate or the unanswerable health question, so it's going to get closed. You can help them understand that, sure, but the question is almost never salvageable.
 
Sue
@Jefromi Yup. Let's go back for a second to the issue of what to do while reviewing. To clarify and not worry about closure.
 
reviewing - yes, just help where you think it's possible, whether it's asking for details, editing to clarify if you can already understand, suggesting splitting up a question...
Hopefully these are the kinds of things you'd already have done on questions on the front page. The review queues are just about helping you more quickly find the questions where you might want to do something.
 
Sue
@Jefromi Okay - that will help me with that part. Also, if we see someone answering a question with their own question (like a "forum), we should explain it and show them how to ask a new question, yes?
 
9:47 PM
I'm back now (was at a pub quiz), skimmed the transcript
hello Sue, and congratulations on your new privilege
 
@Sue yes, and flag as NAA
(or if you don't have time to explain, just flag)
 
Sue
@Jefromi Okay - the flag as NAA was going to be my next question to you.
 
Questions aren't answers, so yeah :)
 
Sue
@Jefromi Yup, and if we ask them to ask it themselves, it's frequently a duplicate! Nothing to be done about that, though!
To me it's about making people feel welcome, and want to stay, so I just want to do that correctly.
I often just skip them in the queue, rather than make a poor judgment call.
 
sure, it's fine to skip, not everything needs attention, and like I said not everyone has time for everything all the time
 
Sue
9:51 PM
@Jefromi Okay. That's helpful, thanks!
 
Skipping doesn't hurt anything, the absolute worst case is that you missed a chance to do something.
 
Sue
@Jefromi Yah, and I like to be pro-active.
@rumtscho Hi!
I think I just have to do what I can. I do appreciate the advice.
One other thing if you guys have a minute....
What's the policy on cleaning up comments?
At GL we do a lot of comment flagging - obsolete, should have been an answer, etc.
Recently I see more of that happening here, and it definitely helps.
Is that a way I can help the site?
 
Flag whatever you feel needs action
 
Sue
@rumtscho Obsolete, chatty, answer in the form of a comment, things like that?
 
there isn't much we can do with a comment - delete, leave and do nothing, or leave and add a comment of our own.
"answer in the form of comment" is something we've been wanting to crack down on for some time now
 
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