The Frying Pan

1:47 AM

@derobert Washington gives money to them directly?

I suppose their economy is tiny, but will Washington give them enough?

4:50 AM

@ElendilTheTall I am moving tomorrow (not today as planned, a mover called in sick). I am hoping you can walk me through tethering.

Cerberus

He can't if you won't be connected to the Internet...

Good luck!

Thethering is really simple, Google knows.

How to use my Android as a hotspot?

Turn on the Portable Wi-Fi Hotspot feature on your Android smartphone or tablet

1 Go to the Settings screen on your Android phone. You can get there by pressing the menu button on your device when you're on the home screen, then tapping "Settings".
2 At the Settings screen, tap the "Wireless & networks" option.
3 You should see an option for "Portable Wi-Fi hotspot". Click the check mark beside it to turn on the hotspot and your phone will start acting like a wireless access point. (You should see a message in the notification bar when it's activated.)

Jolenealaska

I will be connected tonight! But I will read what you posted first.

Cerberus

So you will have a landline Internet connection available as you are setting up the tethering?

You can set up the hotspot on your phone right now. Just don't keep it turned on all the time.

Jolenealaska

No, I will set it up while I am still here (with my connection as is).

Cerberus

You will be doing the exact same things, except you won't use it now (you won't keep it turned on).

Jolenealaska

5:02 AM

Yes, but can't be arsed right now :) Dinnertime!

Cerberus

Heh.

Have fun!

Bedtime here.

Good luck tomorrow.

Jolenealaska

G'night! Next time I see you, I should be at my new place.

TY

Cerberus

@Jolenealaska You will probably want your computer on hand as you set up the tethering.

Jolenealaska

I'll do it tonight so I know I will be able to have internet tomorrow.

Cerberus

> To view and connect to available wireless networks in Windows 7:

Good luck!

Jolenealaska

5:06 AM

tyty!

Cerberus

@Jolenealaska I am a bit concerned about your data bundle, though. Are you 100% sure that your computer won't burn through your mobile data in a few hours when you start tethering?

Computers are normally set up to not be economical with data use.

Jolenealaska

I am only going to access email and this room until I know for sure.

Cerberus

Normal browsing will already be far more data-intensive than mobile browsing.

OK, but what about the other programs on your computer?

Windows updates can be huge.

Do you have Windows updates turned off?

Just an example.

How about Dragon?

Maybe it uses data?

Does Dragon work offline?

Does it use data when online, even though it can work offline?

Does it do auto-updates?

At the very least, you should set a data limit on your phone, so that you will at least know when e.g. half your bundle has been used up. greenbot.com/article/2151860/…

Jolenealaska

Good point...I will. Yes, Dragon works offline.

The data limit is built in.

After I reach 300MB, it just turns off.

Cerberus

And that isn't a disaster?

You could set the limit to 150 MB to see how soon that happens.

Oh, well.

Good luck!

Jolenealaska

5:13 AM

<shrug> Nah, there is a wifi cafe in the complex during business hours.

Cerberus

Ah OK, that's good!

Jolenealaska

I'll be fine :)

Cerberus

But the room needs you 24/7!

Bai!

Jolenealaska

!!Yes! G'night

Cerberus

@ElendilTheTall Tell her to be concerned about automatic Windows updates (and what else?) if she is tethering on 300MB/month.

Bai2!

Jolenealaska

7:35 AM

@ElendilTheTall The last time you posted a message, I told you to, "Shut Up!" Damn, I hope you didn't take me seriously?!

Jolenealaska

9:30 AM

@ElendilTheTall I have to go to bed soon; I need to dissemble my 'puter first. Damn... Is everything OK?

BaffledCook

9:47 AM

@Jay 'Jumped' because they wanted to rob you or something else?

Jolenealaska

10:32 AM

Hi @rumtscho, Hi @Cindy, I'm about to disassemble my computer - So...

rumtscho

hi @Jolenealaska

are you moving it right now?

Jolenealaska

cya on the flipside

user116848

Hi

Jolenealaska

Hey rumi, any new news?

rumtscho

I wish you an easy move then, and see you soon!

Not really, wrapped up in stuff here. Have to work for a week between 10 days of sick time and 14 days of vacation, and also get other stuff done.

Jolenealaska

10:36 AM

I want to ask you more, but not now. Hopefully, I will be back in a day or two. CYA soon.

Cindy

10:53 AM

@Jolenealaska Best of luck with your move! :)

Jay

11:28 AM

@BaffledCook No they didnt rob me. They just punched me and ran off laughing. I wasn't drunk enough that I couldnt defend myself. But i WAS drunk enough that I didnt notice them creeping up behind me.

ElendilTheTall

1:11 PM

@Jolenealaska all fine, just busy

Jolenealaska

1:29 PM

@ElendilTheTall Wonders never cease

Cerberus

1:41 PM

Hi!

How is the move going?

@Jay Huh, that sounds rather horrible.

Did they punch you hard?

Faheem Mitha

2:39 PM

Lots of comings and goings, I see. This could almost be a real cafe. Hey, a cybercafe.

derobert

3:43 PM

@Cerberus Washington pays a lot of things. E.g., social security (old-age and disability payments), medicare (age 62+ health care) are entirely Federal; medicaid mostly is (healthcare for the poor); and various welfare programs are. Obamacare now, too. Then there are also a bunch of payments sent to the state/territory like funds for transportation, etc...

Cerberus

@derobert I thought Puerto Rico was not in the federation?

derobert

They're a territory. I believe most of that applies there, too.

Cerberus

Then one wonders how much money has flowed from Washington thither over the past decade, and whether that is more or less than has flowed to Greece from Brussels per capita...

derobert

People put together counts of the amount of federal spending per state... but unfortunately haven't found one that includes territories yet :-(

Cerberus

Too bad.

derobert

3:57 PM

Hmmm, found this...

So the government revenue is ~¼ transfers from the federal government. That doesn't include payments (like social security) directly to residents

That's 2012, though.

Cerberus

Hmm.

That must be more than Greece got in 2012 per capita?

derobert

@Cerberus I'm not sure how much Greece got...

Cerberus

@derobert I think it is in the order of 200 billion over 7 years.

derobert

The loan bailouts might be a fair bit. But of course, those are weird because its Germany giving Greece money so they can hand money back to Germany. (repeat for a few other EU countries)

Cerberus

And of course the regular subsidies from Brussels, perhaps another 150 billion. Still nowhere near 25% of their GDP.

No, wait, that is the wrong comparison.

@derobert Naturally. But still, PR also had huge debts, which they are no doubt paying off to various American banks?

derobert

4:11 PM

@Cerberus No idea who holds their bonds... Probably a lot of individuals as well. But the Federal payments aren't linked to PR not defaulting on its bonds, unlike the Greek bailouts.

Cerberus

If we assume that PR's government budget is the same proportion of their GDP as Greece's, then PR will have received a lot more money, if you correct for population size and income.

But perhaps we shouldn't correct for income.

@derobert Yes, so it depends on what you want to look at. I just wanted to look at the transfer of wealth.

But should it be relative to income, or not?

derobert

money.cnn.com/2015/07/01/investing/puerto-rico-bond-holders tells me its mutual funds, hedge funds, and individual investors. So probably not much held by banks.

Cerberus

Banks may have invested in those funds?

derobert

@Cerberus I don't think banks are allowed to...

Cerberus

I know our pension funds invest in hedgefunds, so we couldn't let Greece stop paying interest to the hedge funds, or we would hurt our own pensions. Just an example.

derobert

4:14 PM

@Cerberus Yeah, not sure how to scale it. % GDP is probably a good first guess, though.

Cerberus

Probably as part of some larger portfolio.

derobert

@Cerberus Yeah, pensions might have invested in those. But those aren't banks...

Cerberus

Sure, but they are important elements of rich countries' financial infrastructure that we couldn't have had exposed to defaults...

That we really didn't want to be exposed.

derobert

If they default, the tab is picked up by the federal government here. Sometimes with a haircut, especially for higher pension amounts.

That said, pensions aren't very common here, outside public-sector work. And I guess if PR defaults on its own pensions, those folks might be out of luck...

No idea if those are covered by the federal scheme. But private ones are.

Cerberus

@derobert We have completely independent pension funds here. But each European country has its own system. At any rate, it would have been most unpleasant.

@derobert Pensions aren't very common? As in, people privately arrange their own pensions?

derobert

4:21 PM

@Cerberus Yep.

Cerberus

OK.

derobert

Well, there is social security, but the benefits it provides aren't usually considered enough... so the rest comes from private savings. A few large companies still have pensions, but not many.

Cerberus

businessinsider.com/…

@derobert Right, our pension funds are separate from the money all old people get directly from the government (which is enough to live off, I believe).

Apparently, not many countries have sound pension systems, according to Mercer.

derobert

@Cerberus Not surprising. Everyone would prefer to spend that money now, instead of saving it...

At least, that applies to the private ones.

Cerberus

Heh.

Quite so.

Apparently, everyone over 65 gets €1130/month standard directly from the government.

If that is all you get, that's tough.

derobert

4:31 PM

Social Security depends on how much you paid in to the system (which is a percent of your income, up to a limit)

ssa.gov/news/press/basicfact.html tells me its $1294/mo on average in 2013

So possibly even a little higher than yours...

Cerberus

Yay!

That's nice.

Here you get 2% percent of the maximum per year that you have lived in Holland between the ages of 15 and 65, regardless of whether you have contributed.

So you can get 100% even if you have never worked.

@derobert But is that per person, or per household?

Hmm seems to be individuals.

derobert

@Cerberus Probably per person...

Cerberus

Right.

Jefromi

6:08 PM

There's a meta question somewhere with some discussion of the breakdown of all the cooking topics (sourcing, business stuff, actual cooking, serving/plating, etc) and which bits are actually on topic... anyone remember this well enough to find it?

Cindy

6:22 PM

@Jefromi Might this be it? meta.cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/584/…

That's also in the tour.

Jefromi

Thanks, that's not what I was thinking of though. (That's basically what's in the help center, yeah.)

I left another comment sort of describing the thing I swear I remember.

Cindy

Here's one with some of the discussion: meta.cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/110/…

Jefromi

11:23 PM

@Cindy Sorry, bit busy today, but... not that one either :( Anyway the one I was thinking of was I'm pretty sure not just a general faq question; the whole breakdown of topics was introduced by way of answering a more specific question.

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