The Frying Pan

Jolenealaska

4:00 AM

@FaheemMitha Here is another book recommendation: Memoirs of a Geisha. Shockingly written by an American man.

ElendilTheTall

5:51 AM

@jolenealaska morning

Jolenealaska

Hi!

ElendilTheTall

How you doing?

Denied marriage license in Morehead, KY - Rowan County

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How about a bit of anger to start the day?

“It’s a deep-rooted conviction; my conscience won’t allow me to do that,” Davis said Tuesday. “It goes against everything I hold dear, everything sacred in my life."

You can dislike it as much as you like, but you have to find another job to dislike it at...

Jolenealaska

He's already lost.

Bye, don't let the door hit you in the ass way out.

Or she...whatever. :)

suck it up, buttercup

If you hurry maybe they'll let you into Ireland before they allow such an abominationation...that's a nice Christian country! ...Oh yeah, my bad.

ElendilTheTall

6:14 AM

Indeed

Faheem Mitha

@ElendilTheTall Wow, someone who actually read that. Impressed.

And you don't have have to read everything on kindle.

ElendilTheTall

@FaheemMitha read what? Sorry, I'm on mobile, it doesn't link back to replied to comments

I wonder if SE chat has an API... Hmmm

Faheem Mitha

@Jolenealaska Well worth re-reading.

@ElendilTheTall Memoirs of an Invisible Man. If I understood you correctly.

ElendilTheTall

You didn't. But I'd like to. I'll have to see if the library has it

Faheem Mitha

Can one read PDFs on Kindle? Just curious.

8 hours ago, by ElendilTheTall

@FaheemMitha I was going to get memoirs but it's not available on Kindle :(

ElendilTheTall

6:18 AM

Yes, but it can be hit or miss as to their legibility.

Faheem Mitha

Yes, I see that I did misunderstand you.

@ElendilTheTall Ok.

Jolenealaska

It was the word "memoirs" that made me think of Memoirs of a Geisha.

ElendilTheTall

7:09 AM

Ah, July in Britain. 10 degrees and drizzling

Last week, the hottest day on record. This week, the above...

Jolenealaska

7:23 AM

One December in Chickaloon it was -35F one day in the middle of the afternoon. 24 hours later (so afternoon again) it was 45F (as in, above zero). A difference of 80°F in 24 hours (that may not be exactly right, but it's close). It was one of the damnedest things I have ever experienced.

Although, 10C in July is chilly even for here.

(At least during the day)

ElendilTheTall

I blame the Greeks

Jolenealaska

That makes complete sense.

Mystery solved.

I saw an internet headline yesterday that made me nod, laugh and hang my head.

American response to financial upheaval in Greece: "What does that mean for us?"

ElendilTheTall

7:44 AM

Elementary, my dear Brown

Greece is in economic turmoil. Result: fewer tourists, of whom Brits make up a significant portion. Result: fewer jets leaving the country. Result: less heat being pumped into the British air. Result: it's cold. QED.

Jolenealaska

You're so smart!

ElendilTheTall

You know it baby

Faheem Mitha

@ElendilTheTall Wow, real hard science there.

@ElendilTheTall See, you can sound like Austin Powers when you try.

Jolenealaska

I just got a very disturbing email.

Here I am, about 2 weeks from (hopefully) signing a new lease (please let my credit score be high enough) the federal student loan people have suddenly forgotten that they forgave my loan four years ago.

I was just informed that on some database somewhere, I am 20 days delinquent.

The timing of that snafu would almost be funny if it didn't scare the shit out of me.

ElendilTheTall

8:00 AM

hmm

get on the horn

it'll be fine

Jolenealaska

I tried, I have to wait until morning, they're closed now.

ElendilTheTall

well, don't sweat it

Jolenealaska

It's hard not to.

ElendilTheTall

I know

but don't

Jolenealaska

I'm the one with the car that I can't drive because Jupiter seems to be really pissed off at Mars, the cop who won't return my calls, a negative checking account balance and a missing drivers license that I won't be able to replace until I move but need in order to move.

So my credit rating taking a temporary nosedive right now would just be par for the course.

ElendilTheTall

8:15 AM

I am having fun with our tax people

they say I owe them x amount, but I don't, because valid reasons

they advised me to write a letter stating said reasons

payment of outstanding tax is due end of this month

I wrote the letter in May. I called them earlier to check progress. They advised they are currently opening mail received in December

O.o

So I can either pay them money I don't owe

or I can let the payment lapse, then wait for the debt management team to contact me and tell them what's going on

but that makes me nervous

Jolenealaska

Well, you could send them a check! By the time they open the envelope it will be too stale-dated to deposit.

Is it typical for them to be so backlogged?

ElendilTheTall

no idea - probably

Jolenealaska

Do you figure your tax and tell them what you owe, or do they tell you what they say you owe?

(as a rule, not specifically this bill)

ElendilTheTall

8:34 AM

you fill in a self assessment form, and they tell you what you owe from that

Actually, the norm is that you are taxed via your employer. I just have some extra work that I need to file for

Jolenealaska

How confident are you that ultimately they will agree with your take on it, that you don't owe them?

ElendilTheTall

Fairly confident

essentially you don't owe this particular tax if you made less than £5000, and I made about £600

Jolenealaska

Well, that's pretty straightforward.

ElendilTheTall

8:53 AM

yeah

my instinct is to let it lapse, but I don't want it to appear like I have ignored them

Jolenealaska

I find it hard to imagine being nervous enough to pay now unless you really need stellar credit in the next few months. Other than making it difficult for you to get credit right now, what can they do?

ElendilTheTall

I've emailed our office accountant to see what he advises

@Jolenealaska fine me and/or pass it on to a Debt Recovery Agency who would add a massive fee?

Jolenealaska

How can they feel ignored if they are over half a year behind in opening mail?

ElendilTheTall

well, quite

But you can bet your ass the system for recovering a missed payment will be instantaneous

it won't hang around for 7 months like the letter will

I would hope that they are self-aware enough to work on that basis though

rumtscho

@ElendilTheTall if you pay now but they realize that your reasons are valid, you'll get your money eventually, right?

and by eventually, I mean at next year's tax return date at the latest?

ElendilTheTall

8:59 AM

@rumtscho only half of it

the '14-'15 year's amount, essentially

rumtscho

@ElendilTheTall why is that half?

Jolenealaska

and then the rest the following year, right?

rumtscho

let's say they think you owe them 300 pounds tax on 600 pounds you made

ElendilTheTall

@rumtscho I just happen to have filed for about the same amount each year

@Jolenealaska no

rumtscho

if you pay 300 pounds now, won't they return 300 pounds next summer?

ElendilTheTall

9:01 AM

No

Jolenealaska

Now I am completely confused.

ElendilTheTall

They think I owe 125 for 13-14 and 125 for 14-15.

I can only claim back 14-15

it's too late to claim back 13-14

because they say so, basically

rumtscho

so if you owe them money, you owe it forever, if they owe you money, the debt disappears after one year?!

ElendilTheTall

@rumtscho apparently so

rumtscho

Somebody should take them to court for that

ElendilTheTall

9:04 AM

pfff

be my guest

rumtscho

@ElendilTheTall I don't even think I can sue somebody if I'm not his "victim"

ElendilTheTall

indeed. I was being facetious :)

anyway, I will see what the accountant advises

rumtscho

@ElendilTheTall yes, sometimes the experts have good ideas we laymen never think of. I'll cross my fingers for you.

Jolenealaska

I'll be curious what he says.

ElendilTheTall

in the past they have been very reasonable. One year I genuinely owed about £100 and they arranged a 12 month plan without a problem. I would hope they would be as reasonable this time.

rumtscho

9:10 AM

@ElendilTheTall Sounds good. I grew up to be very wary of bureaucratic structures, but since I've been living in Western Europe, I realized that they can be reasonable too.

Jolenealaska

I have, of course, zero experience with tax agencies in the UK, but in the US the IRS is generally very reasonable with average people.

ElendilTheTall

I'd write them a letter to let them know the situation, but it is apparently pointless

anyway, let's change the subject

what does the day hold for you both?

rumtscho

@ElendilTheTall Mine is terribly full, but some of the appointments are fun

I already have 2 hours of dissertation and 1.5 hours of work behind me

in the afternoon, I'm going to two presentations/lectures

one is Requirements Engineering for Molecular Programming, I've been looking forward to this one for a few weeks

Jolenealaska

I have to go to three different places in three different parts of town tomorrow, and I don't know exactly how I'm going to do that.

rumtscho

and then I got a mail today that there is a "slow science" seminar today on the topic "Design Principles of Cell Circuits"

Faheem Mitha

9:15 AM

@Jolenealaska It helps if you are getting your income all from one place, like a lot of people do. The more complicated your taxes, the more the actual and potential headaches.

rumtscho

I've never seen a cell circuit aside from simple examples of how natural mini-circuits in the nerve systems work, and I really want to see it

and then there is a Board games evening at a cultural center, which I'm visiting with a friend

working in the meantime. Sadly, there is one meeting I have to attend even though I'll be totally unneeded and bored there. But the rest is OK.

@Jolenealaska :(

ElendilTheTall

@Jolenealaska time machine. Simple.

Jolenealaska

@FaheemMitha headaches come with a complex financial situation, that is different from unreasonableness on the part of the government.

rumtscho

didn't you say there is a program where you can get a special bus to drive you somewhere if you call in advance?

Faheem Mitha

@rumtscho Western Europe is a miracle of orderliness and sanity compared to most places.

rumtscho

9:18 AM

@FaheemMitha I find that it's a miracle of goodwill/trust towards strangers, which has some very nice side effects such as governmental structures being reasonable to the average person

Faheem Mitha

@Jolenealaska Well, there is more opportunity for unreasonableness if the situation is more complex. At the risk of stating the obvious, govt workers tend to not be very bright.

rumtscho

@FaheemMitha it's usually lowly administration employees who are not very bright, it doesn't matter if they work in the govt or in industry

Faheem Mitha

@rumtscho It's all relative, of course. I think for the example the level of corruption in the rich countries of Western Europe is about the lowest in the world. Which may not be saying much, of course.

@rumtscho Agreed.

rumtscho

the govt actually gets the cream of the cream for certain institutions. But not for tax office mail opening duty.

Faheem Mitha

@rumtscho I don't know about the cream of the cream, but there are certainly some very capable people working for govt.

Random example - I assume the faculty of UC Berkeley are all govt employees, am I right?

Jolenealaska

9:22 AM

@FaheemMitha No

Faheem Mitha

@Jolenealaska They aren't?

rumtscho

I don't know how it's regulated in the States

Faheem Mitha

Hmm, I thought they would be. But Berkeley is a state school. Are they employees of the State of California then?

@rumtscho Me neither.

rumtscho

In Germany, universities are a very special construction

they are a kind of legal person which belongs to the public, but is not owned or managed by the government

Faheem Mitha

@rumtscho Is that unusual?

rumtscho

9:25 AM

Körperschaft des öffentlichen Rechts (Deutschland)

Eine Körperschaft des öffentlichen Rechts (K. d. ö. R., auch mit KdöR, KöR oder K. ö. R. abgekürzt) ist eine mit öffentlichen Aufgaben betraute juristische Person des öffentlichen Rechts, deren Aufgaben ihr gesetzlich oder satzungsmäßig zugewiesen worden sind. Ihre hoheitlichen Aufgaben werden in ihrer Satzung festgelegt. Sie bündelt sachliche Mittel (wie Gebäude, Einrichtung, Fahrzeuge) und Personal (Planstellen für Beamte und Arbeitnehmer) in einer rechtlich selbständigen Organisationseinheit und unterliegt dem öffentlichen Recht. == Allgemeines == Körperschaften des öffentlichen Rechts...

@FaheemMitha There are a few other institutions which have this status. But I don't know how common this type of structure is, internationally.

Faheem Mitha

In the US, the state universities certainly fall under the control of the State Legislature. That I do know. For example, the NC legislature sets UNC tuition.

@rumtscho ok. And what is the reason for this?

rumtscho

@FaheemMitha No idea. I don't know much about laws.

Faheem Mitha

@rumtscho ok

Jolenealaska

State schools are not government run.

Faheem Mitha

@Jolenealaska But don't the state school employees count as govt employees?

Jolenealaska

9:30 AM

No. Hold on I'll try to find something that explains it better that I can.

rumtscho

@Jolenealaska I think that for everybody outside the United States, "government" doesn't mean "federal government" by default

when we say "government employee" we mean somebody who works for either the federal administration, or the state administration, or the county administration. The difference is not important to us.

Jolenealaska

But the government (state or federal) does not control the universities. The universities are subsidized by the state, but they are not of the state.

In some jurisdictions janitors or cafeteria workers may be government workers, but university faculty are not. They are not paid by the government, they are paid by the school which is in turn paid by the government.

Government employees are paid by the state of Alaska or the United States or the city of Dallas... A professor at the University of Iowa is paid by the University of Iowa.

Not the state of Iowa.

They are employees of the school, not the state.

Faheem Mitha

9:50 AM

@Jolenealaska Ok. But like I already said, at least in NC, the legislature controls tuition. And I had the impression that the same was true in CA at least. Of course that does not, in of itself, mean people working for the universities are govt employees.

@rumtscho That is true.

And I used to be in the US, and the distinction wasn't important to me then either.

Jolenealaska

Controlling tuition is a far cry from controlling the school. Consider that the government offices are up for grabs every 2,4 or 6 years.

ElendilTheTall

@FaheemMitha do you share your culture's stereotypical love of cricket?

Faheem Mitha

@ElendilTheTall Nope.

I did read about it in P G Wodehouse, though.

E.g.

Mike (novel)

Mike is a novel by P. G. Wodehouse, first published on 15 September 1909 by Adam & Charles Black, London. The story first appeared in the magazine The Captain, in two separate parts, collected together in the original version of the book; the first part, originally called Jackson Junior, was republished in 1953 under the title Mike at Wrykyn, while the second half, called The Lost Lambs in its serialised version, was released as Enter Psmith in 1935 and then as Mike and Psmith in 1953 – this marks the first appearance of the popular character of Psmith. == Plot introduction == The first half of...

I like Wodehouse's early school stories.

As regards cricket, I think he makes it seem much more interesting than it really is.

@ElendilTheTall you might have figured that out already, but I am really not terribly Indian, as Indians go.

@Jolenealaska Agreed.

ElendilTheTall

@FaheemMitha yes, you really are a disappointment

;)

Faheem Mitha

@ElendilTheTall Yes, sorry about that. Maybe you would have preferred Raj from TBBT.

I'm terrible with women, if that helps.

ElendilTheTall

10:00 AM

The Ashes are about to start, so expect lots of cryptic ejaculations on my part regarding googlies, silly mid offs, and LBWs.

Faheem Mitha

@ElendilTheTall I do know that LBW means Leg Before Wicket.

ElendilTheTall

@FaheemMitha pff, even @Jolenealaska knows that

right jojo?

Faheem Mitha

@ElendilTheTall damn, and that was my best shot at impressing you.

Jolenealaska

@ElendilTheTall nope!

ElendilTheTall

be cool, woman

ah, here come the anthems

Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau is a lovely one

Jolenealaska

10:06 AM

Although I just learned that some faculty at some state universities are kind of considered state employees sometimes.

Faheem Mitha

@Jolenealaska Well, that's a very qualified yes.

ElendilTheTall

Llanelli Male Voice Choir - Land of my Fathers

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Jolenealaska

although the government can't hire them, fire them or directly pay them.

Faheem Mitha

@Jolenealaska Hmm. And which states does this apply to?

Jolenealaska

Tennessee specifically

Faheem Mitha

10:09 AM

@Jolenealaska oh

Jolenealaska

Minnesota specifically not.

Faheem Mitha

Maybe that should be "what states".

"which" is for people, right?

@Jolenealaska ok

Jolenealaska

either which or what works for me.

Faheem Mitha

But per the rules of English grammar, one of them is probably incorrect.

Jolenealaska

Tall would know.

Faheem Mitha

10:11 AM

The ELL would probably be happy to tell me.

Jolenealaska

They both seem right to me, there isn't always only one right answer.

ElendilTheTall

what what?

which is correct

Faheem Mitha

@ElendilTheTall See, you can do PG Wodehouse too.

@ElendilTheTall Oh?

@ElendilTheTall say what-ho.

ElendilTheTall

> If it weren't for quotes, conversations between gentlemen would consist only of 'what ho!'

Which: asking for information specifying one or more people or things from a definite set.

Faheem Mitha

@ElendilTheTall That wasn't quite what I was after, but it'll do.

ElendilTheTall

10:14 AM

What ho Faheem! How the devil are you, old thing?

Faheem Mitha

@ElendilTheTall Hmm. Ok, I guess I was overthinking it.

@ElendilTheTall What ho, old chap. All tickety-boo.

Jolenealaska

That was very pretty!

Faheem Mitha

Hmm, the net thinks that tickety-boo is of Hindi origin, so it seems appropriate.

@Jolenealaska what was?

Jolenealaska

Land of my Fathers...the video Tall posted.

Faheem Mitha

@Jolenealaska oh

ElendilTheTall

10:19 AM

Wales is a pretty place, once you get away from the south Coast

and even most of that is very pretty

Faheem Mitha

Sorth England is quite scenic too.

ElendilTheTall

Sorth?

The north of south england?

I know I'm biased, but there aren't many parts of non-urban Britain that aren't scenic in some way

the South tends to be rolling chalk downs

the West Country is rugged coastline and windswept moorland

The Midlands is archetypal Shire-country - hedgerows and orchards

Wales is mountains and waterfalls

Northern England is moors, mountains, and lakes

Southern Scotland is lush pastureland

Northern Scotland is back to epic mountains

and you can drive from one end to the other in less than a day!

Come to Britain: it's fucking great!®

oh jesus

7-1

(－‸ლ)

Jolenealaska

Damn! Alaska is over 7 times the size of the UK.

ElendilTheTall

yup

What is a long drive to you?

What would make you say, jeez, that's a journey and a half

Jolenealaska

300+ miles

ElendilTheTall

10:33 AM

how long would that take you, roughly

Jolenealaska

The first time I drove to Anchorage from Des Moines, I had to make a pit stop in Phoenix.

It depends hugely.

ElendilTheTall

give me your best guess, average, rough back-of-a-cigarette-packet number

Jolenealaska

Valdez is 300 miles from here. That trip, during summer would take less than 5 hours.

ElendilTheTall

I thought as much

our sense of scale is totally different

3 hours is epic

rumtscho

@ElendilTheTall strange, because I would also see a drive of >5 hours as long

Jolenealaska

10:37 AM

Big time...Very few people on the planet have the sense of scale that Alaskans typically have.

ElendilTheTall

>5 hours is long, ridiculously long

rumtscho

@ElendilTheTall I meant that for me, 5 hours is the grey area around which it starts deserving the predicate "long"

ElendilTheTall

@Jolenealaska I doubt it's confined to Alaskans though - most Americans would happily drive for a couple of hours to get a good taco. That would take you clear across the UK at some points

@rumtscho case in point ^

rumtscho

I wouldn't drive a couple of hours for a taco

Faheem Mitha

@ElendilTheTall South

ElendilTheTall

10:39 AM

even Continental Europeans have a different sense of scale

rumtscho

but my commute to my highschool was 45 minutes

and if I'd stayed to study at home, it would have been 90 minutes to the university

that's within the same city

granted, it's two diametrically opposed places in a large, dense city with very little underground railways yet

Jolenealaska

45 minutes to high school is pretty up there for normal people.

rumtscho

@Jolenealaska it's ridiculously long for most Europeans

Faheem Mitha

@Jolenealaska Quite normal for big third world cities at least.

rumtscho

I happened to live in a very large city, on the periphery, and to go to a special highschool in the center

Jolenealaska

10:42 AM

I can see that 'because it would also be long for almost everybody in the lower 48.

rumtscho

Note that I was going by bus, I wasn't driven by my parents

It's maybe 10 km as the crow flies

but it's 10 km with changes from bus to streetcar, some walking, and on congested streets

public transportation can be highly inefficient for some routes

right now, my way to work is 20 min by bicycle, door-to-door. By bus, it would be almost an hour.

ElendilTheTall

my commute is an hour door to door

joy

rumtscho

@ElendilTheTall I know :( that's what I'm going to avoid in my life as long as possible

of course, it's only easy to avoid in a single-person household

ElendilTheTall

yes indeed

Jolenealaska

My longest daily commute was for was 28 miles (45 km) for one year, about 12 years ago.

@FaheemMitha Of course you're right. I should not have used "normal" that way.

Crap it's 3 AM. I'm doing it again, I'm totally wired.

ElendilTheTall

11:16 AM

You're so old fashioned

You'll be sending a fax next

Jolenealaska

??

ElendilTheTall

'wired'

There are some things I wish we still had capital punishment for, viz.

Putting tomato in a store bought cajun chicken wrap

Or indeed any wrap, sandwich or other foodstuff

There you are enjoying a healthy, tasty wrap, and bam. A rondel of sour slime. Ugh.

Jolenealaska

meaning totally wide awake, bouncing off the walls.

ElendilTheTall

What next, avocado?

I know you putz, it was a (bad) pun!

Jolenealaska

I'm not entirely sure but I think I'm right at about 72 hours.

rumtscho

11:22 AM

@Jolenealaska !!!

Jolenealaska

I know I didn't even lie down last night.

rumtscho

I haven't had that even in my worst times

not the "didn't lie down last night" part, the "haven't slept in 72 hours" part

Jolenealaska

The night before that I think I tried for like an hour and then gave up.

rumtscho

If you think it's due to medications, maybe they can adjust them?

Jolenealaska

Shit, last month I went five days straight.

rumtscho

11:25 AM

even if you're feeling fine, the long term results are bad

Jolenealaska

It gets worse with every hour.

ElendilTheTall

What could possibly be so stimulating as to keep you up that long?

(as the actress said to the bishop)

Jolenealaska

:)

Faheem Mitha

@ElendilTheTall Apparently you read Leslie Charteris too. Or did.

Jolenealaska

Tall, was I here at all during your workday on Tuesday? Do you remember?

ElendilTheTall

11:30 AM

Nope, the phrase has passed into common parlance.

Um, let me think

Tuesday? Yesterday?

Jolenealaska

Your Tuesday day, my Monday night...

ElendilTheTall

Yes, you were here all day iirc

Jolenealaska

so I slept Sunday night, your Monday day, right?

ElendilTheTall

Maybe... You could always check the transcript...

Jolenealaska

I was just trying to.

Sunday night was the night I first watched Heat.

So Saturday night, the 4th into the 5th was when I slept

it is now night of the 7th/morning of the 8th.

rumtscho

11:48 AM

@Jolenealaska are you aware that sleep deprivation kills earlier than food deprivation does?

I'm worried about you, you are probably close to overt cognitive symptoms. The metabolic ones have probably kicked in already, although you're not likely to notice them.

Jolenealaska

Cognitive symptoms are obvious, I can't figure out how many nights that is.

rumtscho

The first cognitive symptoms are diminished concentration, and other ones similar to alcohol drinking. There is a surprisingly low sleep debt (I think 2 hours per night sustained for 4-5 nights) which produces impairment comparable to 0.5 promil abv

but later on, you get into hallucinations and really weird stuff

Jolenealaska

I don't really care whether I sleep at night or during the day, but it has to be one of those

rumtscho

also, lack of sleep makes people fat. Well, it makes rats fat, there aren't many full sleep deprivation studies on humans.

basically, a sleepless mammal cannot cover its muscles' energy needs (it's not known why)

so the body tries to compensate by increasing food intake

it goes well for the first few days of complete sleep deprivation, or a long time under partial sleep deprivation, with the side effect of obesity over the long term

after several days, the body cannot produce enough energy to keep up body temperature no matter how much it is fed

Jolenealaska

I want badly to sleep.

rumtscho

11:57 AM

@Jolenealaska and your head cannot turn off? That's a very bad situation to be in :(

I hate taking medications, but if I were at a point as serious as yours, I'd probably try a sleeping pill

Jolenealaska

Yeah I know.

I have.

rumtscho

@Jolenealaska oh :(

Faheem Mitha

@rumtscho I get impaired faster than that. A couple of nights at maybe 4 hrs a night, and I would probably fall asleep standing up. Not that it happens in practice, of course.

rumtscho

is there something else you can do which you haven't tried? Leave out a medication which acts as a stimulant? Perfect sleep conditions? Meditation to cope with the anxiety and frustration of the "this isn't going to work" intrusive thoughts?

Jolenealaska

There is one drug called Tizanadine that works when it gets this bad.

rumtscho

12:01 PM

I wish there was something I could do to help you

If your sleeping situation is so serious, you have probably heard all of the existing tactics though :(

I also see that I have to run to get in time to a lecture

Jolenealaska

Is the closest thing I have seen to a stimulant is the coffee I had... a day and a half ago?

rumtscho

I cross my fingers for your next try to fall asleep

see you later - or even better not, because you may be sweetly curled up and dreaming by then