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12:00 AM
My last dog had almost no hair, just scaly skin, when we took her in. A year later she had an insanely long, luxurious coat of fine white fur.
 
Wow.
So is it easy to befriend these semi-wild dogs?
 
Each has its own personality, of course. Some are very friendly, some have been mistreated to the point that they distrust all humans. But with work...
My dog had been taken in by a summer intern who was leaving at the end of the season, and she wouldn't let anyone else come near her.
 
It's much easier to befriend a semi-wild dog than a feral cat. BTW, I looked up, there are quite a few feral cats in Anchorage, but no wild domestic dogs.
 
My dad went twice a day for a week and fed her tinned cat food (I'm not sure why he chose that) from a distance, getting slowly closer until she let him feed her by hand.
 
Its richer tham dog food they love it
 
12:04 AM
Once she didn't have any other dogs nearby, and we were feeding her, it was fairly easy for her to accept us as her pack.
 
And if she was malnourished....
 
There was a small problem when some other dogs moved in next door a couple years later, and she decided they were her pack instead of us, but it was just a matter of recognising the problem and re-establishing dominance.
Mostly just by spending more time with her and limiting her time with the other dogs.
Boonie dogs tend to value having a family; they aren't loners.
And they're usually house-trained, or very near it, which is convenient.
Once you clear up whatever infestations they picked up on the street, their baseline health is sturdier than many pure breeds, partly because they have more diverse genetics and partly because the weak ones probably already died (aw).
Some boonie dogs refuse to become indoor dogs, which is understandable, but that isn't symptomatic of any underlying personality problem.
 
12:57 AM
I just had the weirdest thing. I'd been away from the computer for a while, I came back, popped in here but the connection was acting weird and was super slow. So I closed this browser, leaving another to close, I was going to reboot. On the other browser was some kind porn video chat trying to get my attention. That's what was making my 'puter run so slow.
Hello! Hello, anyone there? I'd love to chat! Hello? Weird. Where did THAT come from?
 
@Jolenealaska Hello.
You didn't go to this porn site yourself?
 
Hey Cerby! Did you see my purty cookies?
 
Is the porn browser your default browser?
I did not!
 
I didn't go to anything porn! :)
Somebody starred the pic of the cookies, so just click on that!
 
@Jolenealaska I've seen this kind of thing before. It's probably a script hack through an ad.
Some normal site you went to used an advertising service which didn't vet its clients too well, and an ad got through which ran a popup script.
I've got about four different extensions on my browser to keep that sort of thing suppressed, and it mostly works.
 
1:07 AM
@Jolenealaska Sure making sure.
@BESW Or it could be a virus.
 
Weird, cause the last thing I was looking at before I took a nap was stuff about Stephen Hawking! Ya can't get much further removed from porn than that!
 
@BESW What extensions do you use? I never ever get anything like that.
Noscript alone should be enough to kill off scripts from ads.
 
@Cerberus Usually viruses aren't that upfront about their presence.
 
Of course I also use Adblock.
@BESW Well, I meant virus in the broadest sense, any kind of unwanted software on your computer. Adware.
 
In Chrome (my primary browser, for a variety of reasons) I run AdBlock, Flashblock, Ghostery, and NotScripts.
 
1:09 AM
Funny name, NotScripts.
Adblock in Chrome didn't seem to work as well an on FF.
 
Yeah.
 
I also use a cookie manager, Cookie Monster. I heard Ghostery had some shady connections?
 
I use FF for certain activities, Chrome for others.
 
I have my browser set to reject cookies by default, and I usually set it to accept only session cookies for sites where I need cookies.
 
Me too. Firefox for this, chrome for video stuff.
 
1:11 AM
Yay!
You also use Noscript and Adblock?
 
Hmm...probably not.
 
OK.
Noscript is a bit of a pain to use btw.
 
I'll try Adblock...it's free?
 
Yes. Get Adblock Edge.
 
1:14 AM
It is a clone of Adblock Plus, the biggest, but without the shady connections.
Get Easylist, a filter: it will prompt you, it's easy.
It also blocks all video commercials on sites like Youtube and Slate.
 
That's separate from Adblock Edge?
 
No.
 
OK
Now, you must ooh and ahh over my purty cookies!
 
What Adblock does is block domains and certain types of code; the domains and probably part of the code are determined by which filter you use, basically a long list of domains. Easylist is the biggest filter.
 
gotcha
 
1:17 AM
@Jolenealaska Ohh they look perfect!
Even better than the picture in the recipe!
 
They turned out great! Yes! :)
 
How did you get them so...neat?
Do/did they taste good?
 
I used a TBS scooper, making perfect little round balls, then put them in the oven like that. I flattened them when I rotated the pan for the first time instead of flattening them cold. It worked better.
 
Hmm I see.
 
Plus, I made all of the little balls as soon as the dough was done, and put it in the fridge. That way it wasn't too big of a pain in the ass to only cook one pan at a time. Two pans, even with rotating, had evenness issues.
 
1:21 AM
Using, what, a spatula?
Ah, I see.
 
A spoon
Forming all the little balls at the beginning helped too 'cause the butter will separate over time at room temp, but the batter won't form cold.
 
Won't form?
 
It's too hard cold. You have to form the cookie dough while it's warm, but it will separate if left in the pan between batches. And since I was only baking one sheet ban at a time, it worked better to put the little balls in the fridge.
It was such an aha thing (I did one batch like the recipe says, the second batch doing my method) that I'm going to email ATK to let them know :)
When the first perfect pan came out of the oven, I did a little dance in my kitchen!
 
Ahh OK.
Cute.
 
Weird thing was that the recipe calls for 350F. That burned the cookies even before I first checked them. There is a picture up a ways. They actually did well at 290F for only 13 minutes.
 
1:36 AM
Weird!
Was the recipe written by a reliable source?
 
ATK! It doesn't get much more reliable than that!
 
What's that?
 
The one substitution I made was peach/apricot preserves (strained) for the marmalade and zest, 'cause I didn't want the orange flavor.
America's Test Kitchen, AKA Cooks Illustrated.
 
Okay, don't know it.
I should not expect peach jam to burn much sooner than marmalade?
 
Their schtick is that they test and tweak recipes over and over until they're foolproof. They have a couple of shows on PBS and are extremely well regarded.
 
1:40 AM
Even the best chefs can make mistakes in recipes...
Hmm.
 
I wouldn't think so!
 
I have no idea!
Maybe your oven is weird?
 
Especially since they didn't specify a particular brand of marmalade, so I would expect as much variance in marmalade as between marmalade and peach preserves.
 
Their oven?
 
Their ovens are calibrated weekly, mine I know from testing is also very accurate.
 
1:44 AM
Then I am out of explanations!
 
It's weird. And the cookies didn't just burn a little at 350, they nearly combusted! Did you see the picture of that? I'll post it again if you'd rather not look for it.
 
I don't remember seeing it?
What colour, dark brown?
 
hold on
 
Ouch.
That doesn't look good!
 
And that's the evil Martha Stewart curling parchment paper from hell.
 
1:50 AM
Bad cookie!
Hahaha.
I see.
 
Yeah, it didn't smell good either!
 
I imagine.
 
AND! That's several minutes short of the baking time called for.
 
shakes fist at ATK
 
Eventually I'll try it again with marmalade, just to see, but as you say, I can't see that as being the issue between 15-17 min at 350 and 13 min at 290.
Plus, it's only 1/4 cup of marmalade to 2 cups of almonds and 1/2 cup of sugar.
Mien and Gigili both say they're going to try it, so I'll be interested to hear how it goes for them.
 
2:00 AM
Hmm.
It's nice when other people cook the same thing!
 
It's a fun recipe, but one of the pickiest things I have ever made. Getting them to bake evenly was quite the challenge. I had to rotate the pan three or four times every batch, and as I said, definitely only 1 pan at a time.
 
I'm a control freak with respect to ovens.
 
If I were doing them for a special event, I might even only do 4 cookies at a time.
 
I need to see what's happening all the time.
 
I usually let it go halfway through the expected time before I open the oven (I'll look through the window), but these cookies had me opening the door every 3 minutes.
 
2:10 AM
Right.
 
I need to run to the store. CYA later!
 
I also hate when you have baked something for the prescribed time, but it doesn't look nearly done. Should you add more time? Or will it be fine after cooling down?
Bye!
 
 
9 hours later…
10:46 AM
Hi
 
Hi
 
Hi
I've just begun making no-knead bread for the first time. I'm doing an experiment, so I need two loaves with identical ingredients, I'm timing the addition of the wet to the dry so that they are 2 hours apart. That should work for the baking. I want one to be done NOW Parmesan, olive and rosemary sounds good.
I didn't feel like finely chopping the rosemary and I had already used a food processor for the olives, so I processed the rosemary. Did you know that finely processed rosemary smells like pot?
Who knew?
 
11:03 AM
lol :D
so you know how pot smells? ;)
 
Uh, yeah :)
As a matter of fact, if you were to Google my full name and the city and which I live you'd get about 20 hits related to pot. Weird, since I very rarely partake. :)
 
is it legal in alaska?
 
Sortof.
It was fully legal for a couple of decades starting in the early 70s. Then the legislature restricted as much as it could, but, possession in your home is still legal. Full legalization will be on the ballot again in November, and everyone agrees that it will pass.
 
11:23 AM
Josie, are you making pot-flavored bread?
 
I guess so!
Or at least pot-smelling.
 
We knew you were a wacky one.
Let us ask ourselves the following question: what is the purpose of the dutch oven in the so called no-knead bread?
 
To enclose the bread into a small space so that the steam builds up.
 
Again, for what purpose? And what else?
 
For the same reason professional bakeries use steam injected ovens. To achieve that crust.
 
11:34 AM
Why do they do that? And at what point in the baking?
 
I imagine it varies, but often continuously.
 
Bzzzt ;-)
 
They do it to expedite gelatinizing the surface during the early bake, allowing for better oven spring. It also helps with browning due to the gelatinization.
It only matters during the first few minutes of baking.
What is the other purpose that a dutch oven can serve?
Hint: what are the heat transfer modes of an oven, and how will they be affected by the pot?
 
Well, the pot is going to heat the crust a lot more than the interior crumb.
 
11:40 AM
Through what mode or modes of heat transfer?
 
Is this a quiz? :P
 
Socratic :-)
 
Well, in the case of the Dutch oven it's going to through contact with the pot (haha) and with the steam, at least in the beginning.
 
You are missing the biggest one...
 
11:50 AM
from the oven? :P
 
Well ovens, but more specifically a dutch oven.
 
I do not know what you mean :(
 
I am on phone with my boss, back in a couple.
 
I refuse to Google this.
 
Okay, hint: what is the import of radiant heat?
 
11:56 AM
Well, it heats the "stuff" more than the air, but I said that, sort of.
 
Now what is the import of preheating the DO in that context?
 
Well, that would imply that the preheating is important since a cold Dutch oven isn't going to do that, particularly in the beginning.
 
That is my thesis, yes.
It is pretty much the whole point: that initial heat blast for oven spring and crust development.
Then later the lid is removed.
 
Instinctively it seems right that the Dutch oven should be preheated, which is why I didn't take the ATK revision at face value. So, that should make the experiment more interesting. I'll compare results of the two methods in about 20 hours. It's nice that I've got two methods completely written done both ways.
In both cases the lid is removed after 30 minutes.
 
Yes, once the initial oven spring is done, releasing the steam and getting the direct heat from the rest of the oven makes sense.
What doesn't make sense is using the dutch oven in a cold oven. There it will inhibit all of the important processes.
As it will take time to heat up.
I just cannot see any reasoning at all for a cold dutch oven.
And hi Mien.
 
12:27 PM
I'll push in the morning to get past the ticket punchers and to actually talk to someone in the kitchen. We'll see.
Did you watch the video in the one answer that question has received?
 
@Jolenealaska No. Is there anything of interest in it?
IT really isn't an answer, he is just saying "I think I heard it is okay".
It didn't have enough crredibility for me to pay it much attention, but I am like that.
They are probably awake now in Cambridge.
 
Ah, just that the guy is obviously expert, and he does not preheat the Dutch oven.
 
To which I say, bah.
How many obviously expert chefs will insist you need a giant pot of rolling water to cook pasta?
Or seal in the juices?
Or "caraemlize" steaks?
Hi Lindy.
 
BEing a craftsman in no way guarantees expertise at hte underlying science or reasoning, or acceptance of non-traditional alternatives.
 
12:34 PM
how goes it
 
Cat culture has been forever altered in my house! TWO cats are sitting with me on the chair.
It used to be there was a one-cat-only rule. And a cat exclusion zone that the other could not enter.
Then the new kitties came and didn't respect the rule.
Even though they have new homes (and I miss them), now the rule is no more!
Who would have thought?
 
Well, I just made dough number 2. I'll do the non-preheated first, then the heated (for obvious reasons). We'll see. I have been very careful to make two identical doughs. Honestly, I'm hoping that the pre-heated is superior, 'cause that's my instinct says.
 
you'd preheat a pizza stone
why wouldn't you preheat the dutch oven?
 
If the non-preheated is superior, I would then have to ask: what about no DO at all. Because that would make no sense.
 
hi @ElendilTheTall
 
12:44 PM
Hey Tall, have you seen my purty picture?
 
@Mien hello mien my old china
@Jolenealaska the cat?
oh, no
 
No, the cookies! It's starred, so just click there and you'll see their magnificence.
 
oh! very nice
are they waffer thin?
 
waffer!
 
12:47 PM
OOH?
 
You have a good eye for landscape composition, lindy.
 
Nice! Weird, but this one looks just like my parents' dog. 500px.com/photo/65745611/long-tailed-tit-by-totallyphotoly
 
I am worried about you and your "rosemary" use, Josie, if you are confusing birds and dogs.
 
@SAJ14SAJ seconded
@SAJ14SAJ and thank you
 
12:51 PM
As a matter of fact, I'm going to send that to Dad. I wonder if he'll see it.
 
if I am a natural at any aspect of photography, I think it's landscapes
 
And I thought your heart was lost to bugs.
 
bugs?
 
What is "Natures Jewels" of?
 
Weren't you doing macro shots of bugs?
 
12:53 PM
@SAJ14SAJ not recently
 
Is that water on a leaf?
 
yes
purty ain't it
 
Yes :)
There are a few in that batch I really like.
 
Prints are available for a reasonable fee
:)
 
I've spent my disposable income this month on fussy cookies!
 
1:00 PM
hehe
I wouldn't charge
If you want one to print, let me know
 
That's sweet. :)
 
But under no circumstances whatsoever should you download the internet version, print it on a high quality color printer and frame it without sending Lindy some money!
 
high quality color printer? I can't afford to keep my 4 year old ink-jet in ink!
I'm doing the refill with syringes routine but I'm not impressed.
 
Are there no printing services in Anchorage?
There surely are internet based services; you send them a file and they snailmail you a printout.
You should not do that!
Preternaturally cute!
She uses this power only to get petting and cat food.
You can really see the ear-tufty!
 
1:16 PM
I know from experience that ear-tufties are very ticklish.
My grandfather had them.
@ElendilTheTall He's giving me $hit because I have been blatantly violating the paywall on ATK lately.
 
Actually, I wasn't, but you may suffer the wrath of Chris Kimball. I would be scared to call them!
 
Ya know, @SAJ14SAJ, you have knowledge to answer my question. Why don't you?
 
Erm... what are we talking about now?
 
The Dutch oven thing.
 
I have some very informed speculation, which I shared with you here in chat.
 
1:23 PM
Chicken.
 
The thing is, if it works equally well in the plain DO, then everything was specious.
And since you are going to do it anyway.
 
I am going to do it, but I hope that the preheated pan gives better results. We'll see!
 
@derobert I have learned to use #^#^#$@! Sql Developer. It is much less like being in hell than SQLPLUS. But for some reason, none of the drill downs work in our enviornment. It won't show me tables or views or any other object. I have to just write raw SQL in a query builder window.
 
@jolenealaska don't download the Internet version, if you want one let me know and I will send you a high res version. Any copy shop should be able to print you something good enough to put on the wall
 
Despite SAJs admonitions, I'd do that anyway :)
Oddly, it's the bird that looks like my dad's dog that might bring me to that!
 
1:35 PM
Long tailed pink tit-spaniels are rare treasures for sure.
 
She's a Shiih-Tzu, and it's in the eyes!
Dumbest dog ever. ever
 
The black, emotionless eyes? :P
 
Clueless eyes!
 
@ElendilTheTall Do you know a good breeder? ;-)
 
And the colors of the feathers match the fur, and the tilt of the head...and the clueless eyes!
 
1:42 PM
@saj14saj I'm sure Google will supply plenty of results if you search appropriately...
 
Ha :-)
 
Not for THAT breed!
I lived with that dog for a year. She was sooo sweet. She was dumber than a box of rocks.
 
2:04 PM
How can one tell with a dog? The baseline is so low :-)
 
 
1 hour later…
3:25 PM
@SAJ14SAJ She also lived with a box of rocks.
 
@ElendilTheTall -I meant the canine baseline :-)
 
that would make a good band name
HELLO BUMSVILLE! WE ARE CANINE BASELINE!
 
The Canine Baseline featuring Chihuaha.
 
they would be the kind of band that included a gutbucket
Whilst a band of cats would be, say, a string quartet
 
@SAJ14SAJ You left out the *. The star is to remind you of Oracle's delusions, and also make it more annoying to type: SQL*Plus.
Annoying, is of course, Oracle's 2nd greatest strength.
No, make that third greatest, after both "confusing" and "expensive"
 
3:34 PM
@derobert What could possibly surpass it?
Ah :-)
 
smells vapours I predict...annoyance!
That's 1000 drachmas.
And the rabbit will eat the carrot or not.
 
@Cerberus You'll have to wait until your tab exceeds the postage required to mail it...
 
Hi Cerbering. What are you talking about?
 
I'm talking old drachmas!
I am being the Oracle.
 
@SAJ14SAJ Pretending to be the Oracle of Delphi, I suspect.
 
3:36 PM
That oOracle was positively cooperative and transparent in comparison.
 
Ugh, why did I use a progressive there. I'm trying to resist the trend.
 
@Cerberus Its OK, just charge the poor more than the rich for their divinations. That should be sufficiently regressive to correct the error.
 
Yay!
Although I think that would be a novelty, not regressive?
When did the poor ever have to pay higher taxes or other prices than the rich?
 
@Cerberus Errr, when nobility were excluded from taxation?
I'll have to check teh wiki, but wasn't that the case e.g., before the French revolution?
 
It is true that, at certain times, the nobility were exempt from certain taxes.
 
3:41 PM
@Cerberus Right now, today, in many ways , both legalized and de facto, in many places?
 
So I suppose you have a point.
But they still paid other taxes, and the amount they paid was still more than what the actual poor paid; one of the issues was, however, that they were perceives to be paying less than the rich bourgeoisie.
@SAJ14SAJ Let's say the bottom 1 % and the top 1 %.
I think the bottom 1 % pay very little or no taxes in most places?
 
Yes, the bottom 1% can't pay much in taxes for the simple reason they have nothing to pay.
 
Exactly.
And they get benefits.
So they pay negative net taxes.
"Taxes" in the broadest sense.
 
Sure. Though that often leads to obscene marginal rates, but yeah, overall its not much money.
 
I suppose the mention of catgut would would be very inappropriate about now.
 
3:45 PM
Marginal rates on what?
 
@Cerberus Dispropoortionate regressive effect of sales tax. QED.
 
@SAJ14SAJ Well, in absolute terms, the rich pay more sales tax than the poor right?
Though perhaps not as a percentage of their income.
 
@Cerberus if your income went up by $1 (or 1€), how much richer you'd be, after taxes and lessened benefits
 
Ah OK.
 
@Cerberus I don't think absolute terms are the appropriate metric.
 
3:47 PM
@SAJ14SAJ Perhaps not. But I named an absolute price!
 
You are mythical to start with; we don't believe in you! :-)
 
It was suggested that I should charge poor people, say, 1200 drachmas.
 
But as a % of income, the poor (or at least middle class) often pay more than the rich. That is historically reasonably common
 
@SAJ14SAJ How dare you!!
 
Hmm...If sales tax is charged on groceries and gas?
 
3:47 PM
... and current practice here :-(
 
The middle class, sure.
 
But yeah, I went further, and suggested a higher absolute price, not relative.
 
The poor, not so sure. Depends on which tranche you take...
 
I reserve all my credulity for believing that people are, as individuals, for the most part, good.
 
Sure!
 
3:49 PM
@Cerberus Well, some places have had per capita (each person pays $x) taxes... Though possibly they only included landowners, so maybe the poor were excluded.
 
Hmmm..except when they aren't, but I agree,.
 
@Jolenealaska Isn't it? Sales taxes are normally regressive. They're just fairly easy to collect.
 
It is a basic tenet that the poor always get #%#%ed. Because they are so numerous. It is necessary that they be #%#ed.
 
@derobert It seems extremely likely that there was in history at least 1 poor person who paid more taxes than some rich person. But there were always many, many different taxes on many things...
Many of the taxes imposed on the nobility were formally requests, not taxes.
 
i request that you give me gold, and you request that I don't invade your county, bombard your castle, kill you, and rape your women?
 
3:51 PM
I was disagreeing with SAJ (not entirely unexpected). Yes, sales taxes are generaly regressive.
 
@derobert How do you define regressive here?
 
@Cerberus I think the normal definition is an inverse relationship between income (presumed ability to pay) and % of income paid
 
@SAJ14SAJ No, more like, I need to go to war against England, please give me lots of money. If you don't, I will screw you in some way, which we both know but don't officially mention. Same for taxing rich cities.
 
There needs to be an adjustment factor for how cute their cats are, as well.
 
"taking a proportionally greater amount from those on lower incomes" is the definition Google suggests
 
3:53 PM
@Cerberus I think bombardment, murder, and rape really does fall within the rubric of "screw you in some way."
 
@derobert Still a little bit vague, both...
 
@SAJ14SAJ well, rape definitely falls within "screw you in some way"
Literally so...
 
The rich buy more things, so they will rack up more sales tax that way?
 
They always manage to pass the lambourghini exception.
 
@SAJ14SAJ Yes, but one would normally not do that one's own Lords.
@SAJ14SAJ Quoi?
 
3:54 PM
@Cerberus They kind of would, if they didn't get a nice gift.
 
@Cerberus Yes, but the rich wind up spending a smaller portion of their income, especially on taxable things
e.g., in VA, services are not taxable. Only goods.
 
@Cerberus Formal edxceptions for luxury items only available to the rich.
@derobert But cross the line into DC, and services are taxable.
 
@derobert I think it depends on many other factors? Here food is taxed at a much lower rate, and poor people will spend comparatively more on food, for example.
@SAJ14SAJ How does that work?
 
Food is taxed at a lower rate here too, and also some medical supplies are not taxed...
 
@Cerberus Same as eanywhere. Graft and nepotism. People in power pass laws favorable to people in power.
 
3:56 PM
Right.
 
But 2% on food and spending 30% of your income on food v. 5% on everything and putting 90% of your income in savings, well, you still get the poor paying a higher % of income
 
Cf in the US, "capital gains tax."
 
Of course, there are good reasons to argue that you should compare (and tax) consumption, not income, in which case sales taxes are much less regressive.
 
@derobert But is it really a fact that the poorest, say, 10 % spend more on sales tax as a percentage of their income than the richest 10 %? Is it perhaps because the very rich save/invest most of their money, rather than spending it on things you pay sales tax on? And how about when you buy a house: that is not called sales tax here, and the percentage is much lower than on, say, a video game, so that should work in the same direction.
@derobert How do you mean?
@SAJ14SAJ Yeah, other kinds of taxes are mostly paid by the rich...
 
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