The Frying Pan

belisarius

12:13 AM

@Cerberus Yup. She's Maxima. Her father is was a genocide in the 70's here, in Argentina

@Jolenealaska You around?

Jolenealaska

yep...but not for long!

belisarius

@Jolenealaska HI!

Just a "cultural bias" question

Jolenealaska

Hi there. Sure...quickly...

belisarius

I see a lot of these around:

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Q: Raw chicken 2 hour/4 hour time

I left raw chicken in my car for just under two hours at 11 degrees Celsius (51.8 F) by accident. Apparently this is safe (?) as it is under two hours and the temperature outside is not high. I put it straight in the freezer and then the fridge to cool it quickly. Does this mean I have to be ext...

Jolenealaska

way too many of them!

belisarius

12:17 AM

Who teaches there (I mean "up north") that you should have a clock around the the food not to spoil it? It's crazy!

My mom would say "Eat it and shut up"

Jolenealaska

It's the FDA and USDA

All professional food handlers get the training

belisarius

@Jolenealaska At schools? TV?

Jolenealaska

classes that are required to run a kitchen

belisarius

@Jolenealaska I understand having those cares at a restaurant, because statistically shit happens. But in YOUR kitchen ... c'mon!

Jolenealaska

and sorry...I've got to run...yes, the "rules" are silly for your own kitchen, but they do serve as a guideline for the paranoid types

cya soon!

belisarius

12:21 AM

@Jolenealaska Thanks! See you!

Jolenealaska

4:14 AM

OK, I live in the most most bizarre political climate in the world. The Governor is up for reelection. The election starts in a matter of hours, probably almost half the people that are going to vote have already voted (we've got all kinds of ways to do it early).

Just now a bunch of e-mails have been leaked implicating the Governor in a cover-up of sexual abuse in the Alaska National Guard.

The news pundits are saying, "this could cost him the election!"

I don't see how, he probably already has close to the votes needed to win.

The sexual abuse scandal is old news, but the potential involvement of the Governor is new news.

Polls open in 12.5 hours.

Well now what?!?!

Gad!

Cerberus

6:28 AM

@rumtscho Wow, prime minister, even! That is funny.

@belisarius Yes, well, her father was a minister under the dictatorship that killed political dissenters. I'm not sure I'd call it a genocide, though, and he was perhaps not directly involved in the killings. But he is not allowed to be with the royal family on official occasions because of it.

Jolenealaska

@Cerberus that is pretty cool. It makes me wonder if there are any other examples of monarchy being democratically elected to office.

Cerberus

@Jolenealaska Hmm are you suggesting somebody covered his the governor's role in this until most people would have already voted?

@Jolenealaska There are a number of examples.

Jolenealaska

I don't know enough to suggest anything... it's just nuts!

Cerberus

And the Prince of Liechtenstein held a referendum on whether or not he should keep his powers not very long ago. They voted "yes".

Jolenealaska

That's kind of cool!

Cerberus

6:33 AM

If our former Queen had started a serious political party with a good programme and with some good people, I'm sure many people would have voted for that party.

The new King is not as popular (yet).

Jolenealaska

I'm curious about what is going to happen in England. Charles is unpopular worldwide... William has potential.

Cerberus

I thought Charles' popularity had improved somewhat?

Jolenealaska

Not in the US, but that doesn't mean much.

We're really tunnel-visioned. We liked Di, we like her kid. Charles doesn't seem to bring much to the plate.

Cerberus

Indeed not...

> 68 percent of those asked said they had a favourable view of Prince William, 63 percent of the Queen, 43 percent of Prince Charles, and 28 percent of Cameron, the country's most popular political party leader. — June 11, 2013.

Jolenealaska

That's the US?

Cerberus

6:41 AM

Um, no.

Worldwide?

Presumably England.

Ah, even worse.

I don't think it would make sense to have such a poll world-wide...

Worse? It's not so bad?

He's doing a lot better than Cameron.

Jolenealaska

Well, depends. Is it "People" or "Time"?

A lot of Americans watch the royals as celebrities.

Cerberus

6:43 AM

Not sure what you mean?

People or time?

Sure, everyone loves royal marriages!

Jolenealaska

Magazines...Time is a hard news weekly, People is a fluff celebrity rag.

Cerberus

But we have no influence over the succession of Elizabeth. Nor over that of the Queen of Sweden, etc.

You are talking about American magazines?

confused

Jolenealaska

Yes, Time and People are American magazines.

Cerberus

So what about them?

Jolenealaska

Either of them might do a poll.

Cerberus

6:46 AM

It never occurred to me to wonder about the popularity of a politician or a monarch in a foreign country, do they even have such polls?

Jolenealaska

Oh God yes! :)

Particularly the British Royals....

We have a whole sub-culture that just eats it up!

Really just the English Royals...and Grace of Monaco.

Cerberus

Haha.

But why a poll, if you have no influence over them whatsoever?

Jolenealaska

<shrug>

Well that has nothing to do with anything!

Cerberus

We have the occasional poll about the royal family and the monarch. But not about Elizabeth, let alone Charles!

But polls are interesting mainly because of their potential consequences, right?

If 2% of Britons favour Charles and 90% hate him, the monarchy is in deep trouble...

Jolenealaska

We just like to know if we agree with our neighbors!

Cerberus

6:52 AM

Haha.

With your 51th state?

I have never heard of any polls here on the Belgian royal house.

Of course the abdication was big on television, as are all weddings and such.

Jolenealaska

We like to see what Kate is wearing, and if George is appropriately cute. Americans assume that there is only a celebrity interest ...no real power.

Cerberus

Which George?

Jolenealaska

Diana was really beloved here... that may be a big influence.

The baby :)

Cerberus

I think she was beloved everywhere. But I was too young.

Oh, I didn't know.

Jolenealaska

She hob-nobbed with a lot of American celebrities, and she was though of as really classy, and very human (as in flawed).

We like that.

Cerberus

7:01 AM

May I make a confession?

Jolenealaska

Of course!

Cerberus

I hate everything about "celebrity culture". Only royal families are constrained, they can have only a very small number of celebrities.

And at least politicians are never popular enough to become celebrities.

Jolenealaska

I feel much the same way...

Cerberus

Yay!

So I think the monarchy is a nice vent for people's celebrity cravings.

I also think it is very bad for people to dream of becoming famous themselves. At least it is nearly impossibly to become part of the royal family, so I would hope people don't dream about that much.

Jolenealaska

I did like Di, a lot, but that was more because of her philanthropy than because of her celebrity.

Cerberus

7:04 AM

Philanthropy is always good.

Jolenealaska

I admire great actors, but I could give a rat's ass about their popularity. Royals are a bit different, but I think I'm rooting for William and his immediate family because I was stunned at Di's death.

Cerberus

Right.

Liking a certain thing that someone did well doesn't mean you should be interested in this person's private life, right?

Jolenealaska

I think of William as Di's son. Where else would the connection be so clear??

Cerberus

Right.

Jolenealaska

No. I find personal intrusion into real lives offensive.

They are real people...

with feelings..

After a person's death (think Jefferson), I think it's OK to look at a life with more historic interest...but before that?? He's a person, and entitled to some privacy.

Cerberus

7:15 AM

Indeed.

Jolenealaska

There is a small flip side. Was it you or Tall with whom I discussed celebrity chef Ina Garten? It was about her thing with Make a Wish Foundation?

Cerberus

Ah, yes, she didn't want to take part in a charity event.

Jolenealaska

Close...the dying kid just wanted to cook with her.

In my opinion, fame does come with certain strings.

Cerberus

I don't have an opinion about that as strong as yours.

Jolenealaska

If you ever play a Superhero in a movie, you have to dress up in costume once and a while to visit a hospital ward.

Yep, for some reason I feel strongly about that.

Cerberus

7:29 AM

I will remember when I have become famous.

Jolenealaska

:) I won't forget!

I guess I think...you made these choices. You went to the auditions, you cash the paycheck...

You sent the book to the publisher...blah, blah, blah.

Well, everything has a price....that just seems like such a small one.

rumtscho

@Cerberus of course it's funny. Our politics since 1989 have been a farce headed by clowns. It's a slight improvement over the time before that, when we had a totalitarian dictatorship lead by paranoid ex-sheepboys who despised intellect.

Cerberus

@rumtscho Oh, joy!

rumtscho

Do you remember when I went to vote 29 days ago? The results were practically known in the middle of the day (didn't change much from the exit polls), but we still don't have a government. Nobody wants to do a coalition with the militaristic ass who won with about 30%.

Cerberus

Do you feel that the EU has had a good influence on Bulgaria since it joined?

@rumtscho 29 days is nothing! Our last government took 100 days I think.

rumtscho

7:38 AM

That's the charitable interpretation, the cynical one is that all of them would love to get their fingers into the next government, but not at the insulting terms that guy is willing to offer them.

Cerberus

And the last Belgian government took a year or so...

So is this an extreme-right party that won the elections?

Our current government took 54 days to form.

rumtscho

@Cerberus I'd say yes. Many, many troubles in Bulgaria have a financial root. We have pensioned teachers fighting with mongrels for food scraps at dumpsters, because they can't afford food on their pension for 35 years of work as a teacher, for example.

Cerberus

Our previous government: 127 days.

rumtscho

And the EU membership did offer sponsorship for government spending, which brought some relief.

Cerberus

OK, good.

How about reforms, financial as well as otherwise? The fight against corruption?

rumtscho

7:41 AM

This is the one good thing that guy (the elected one) did for the country during his old mandate: he built us a decent autobahn network.

@Cerberus Ongoing since 1989, all kinds of them. And not too successfully.

Cerberus

Two governments ago: 91 days.

rumtscho

There are people not interested in them succeeding, and they are more powerful than Brussels.

Cerberus

@rumtscho That is something.

@rumtscho As in, organised crime and such?

rumtscho

@Cerberus More of an oligarch structure, Russian style, than Al Capone's Mafia style.

Jolenealaska

I'll be interested to read this later...now I've got to go. Cya guys!

rumtscho

7:44 AM

There used to be a wave of organised crime the ordinary people came in contact with, in the early days when the mafia groups coalesced. The peak of it was around 1995.

Back then they were shooting each other in discotheques.

And each business owner had no choice but to concede to an "insurance" racquet where his store got plundered if he didn't have a "security" contract with one of the groups.

Now this is not so, the people on the street don't get in contact with the crime. It's on higher levels.

For example, we are mired in the scandal of a failing bank right now.

Cerberus

@rumtscho Right, that makes sense.

@Jolenealaska Bye!

@rumtscho Right, so from violence it shifted to corruption.

rumtscho

The sad thing is, no matter if the next government saves it or lets it fail, the guys who brought it to a fall get money out of it.

Cerberus

By the way, guess how long it took the previous Belgian government to form, in days.

rumtscho

@Cerberus 111?

Cerberus

> Op dinsdag 6 december 2011 legde de regering-Di Rupo, bestaande uit 13 ministers en 6 staatssecretarissen, de eed af. Hiermee kwam er na 541 dagen een einde aan de regeringsformatie.

I assume you can understand the gist of that...

It's not 2011 days, nor 13, nor 6.

rumtscho

7:49 AM

OK, I understand enough Dutch to tell what each number means.

Cerberus

I thought so.

rumtscho

Roughly, of course. I have no idea what the actual functions of a state secretary are in Beligium.

Cerberus

Under-minister, just as in Holland.

rumtscho

But I just opened the news. It seems like we might be getting a government.

Cerberus

Oh!

rumtscho

7:50 AM

At least they say something about the winner and a second party discussing who gets to be a minister.

Cerberus

Didn't any of the parties promise to punish the people who made the bank fail in their election campaign?

rumtscho

@Cerberus The people who made the bank fail are from the party which won.

So I don't think why there should be such a discussion about ministers if they haven't agreed to a coalition. But on the other hand, there isn't any headline of a coalition being formed, I looked back to the last thing I had read. Confusing.

The good news is that it is a coalition with the party I voted for, the ones who are for a pro European direction, as opposed to the ones who want to sell us to Putin.

Cerberus

Hmm odd.

@rumtscho Good!

rumtscho

The bad news is that this is a moderate right party, and because the numbers don't add up for a coalition, they need a third partner. Who in this constellation has to be one of the two ultra right parties, with seriously xenophobic platforms.

At least it's likely to be one of them. But who knows what combination they will think up this time. We haven't had a coalition including both the moderate right party (the remainder of the people who threw over the communists in 1989) and the socialist party (the renamed communist party from 1989), but it might happen now.

Cerberus

Hmm.

Here, we have had many centre-right–centre-left coalitions. As now.

They look nice.

rumtscho

7:56 AM

I can see why they are getting voted for :)

Cerberus

Hehe.

I'm sure they are strong women, or they wouldn't get to such high positions...

rumtscho

compare them to the wardrobe who has had the power over us since the king failed.

It's the guy on the right. Ex military general. He likes playing football so much, he bought a club to play in.

Cerberus

Haha, that's pretty bad.

> The Bulgarian Democratic Center (BDC) is ready to send experts to enter the prospective minority coalition of conservative GERB and right-wing Reformist Bloc, BDC officials say.

The announcement was made after a meeting of President Rosen Plevneliev on Monday with MPs from the parliamentary group of the coalition led by Nikolay Barekov's Bulgaria without Censorship.

Do you think a minority government is realistic?

rumtscho

No, sorry. A police general, not a military one.

Cerberus

Oh, OK...

rumtscho

8:01 AM

@Cerberus I have no idea what is realistic. They are behaving like spoiled kids, everybody pouting and refusing to play with the others.

Boyko Borisov

Boyko Metodiev Borisov (Bulgarian: Бойко Методиев Борисов, IPA: [ˈbɔjko mɛˈtɔdiɛf boˈrisof]; born 13 June 1959) is a Bulgarian politician who was Prime Minister of Bulgaria from 2009 to 2013. Previously he served as Mayor of Sofia from 2005 to 2009. Borisov plays as a forward for Vitosha Bistritsa. In 2013, he became the oldest player ever to play for a Bulgarian professional club when he appeared for Vitosha in the B PFG, the second division of Bulgarian football. == Early life == Borisov was born in 1959 in Bankya (then a village, today a town that is part of greater Sofia) to Ministry ...

This is the story of the guy. He's quite the control freak, as you might read between the lines.

I was aghast when I noticed what kind of personality cult he's trying to build up. Four years ago, I was on vacation home and found an old newspaper somewhere. It was the one from the day after his birthday. Pages 2 and 3 were full of a major feature on the way he celebrated his birthday.

Cerberus

> Since 27 July 2009 Borisov served as Prime Minister of Bulgaria in a GERB-dominated centre-right minority government[20][21] with parliamentary support from three other parliamentary groups, including the nationalist party "Ataka".

rumtscho

This wasn't a celebrity rag, it was the most read daily newspaper for current events.

Cerberus

But why do they print that?

rumtscho

@Cerberus because he wants them to. He loves to bask in his own glory.

On this vacation, I also spent a day watching lots of TV. He was at a state visit in the USA that day.

Turns out he met Obama, and the first thing Obama said was "Hey, your tie looks just like mine"

Both guys were wearing a conservative darkish-blue tie

The whole day, this was the main news item on all channels. "Obama wears the same tie as our prime minister".

I wish I had made this one up. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it.

Cerberus

@rumtscho But why do they want to print that?

rumtscho

8:11 AM

@Cerberus because he controls most of the media. I don't know how he controls it, but he does.

Cerberus

@rumtscho Right, television is pathetic...

@rumtscho That sucks.

Otherwise the Wikipaedia article is not so horrible about him.

rumtscho

There are some independent media. And some which are against him, but probably not independent, but dependent on his enemies.

But the ones which are most popular and read/seen by everybody lick his feet. Whether he uses a carrot or a stick to keep them that way, I don't know. Probably both.

I know a journalist of a regional newspaper, not very political, too small to matter. She is independent, because nobody has cared to make her dependent.

So, at a time before this guy got to be a prime minister, she told me a story about him.

Cerberus

Haha.

I see.

rumtscho

A few years earlier, the police had discovered a large printer of fake Euros in her city. They took the journalists along to document the raid.

The journalists arrived, the building was already cordoned off.

They sat there for hours, freezing, and nothing happened. No raid. A diabetic journalist got into hypoglycemia, somebody had to run to get him cookies.

Jolenealaska

UGH

rumtscho

8:16 AM

And then a white Mercedes arrived at all possible speed.

Turns out B.B., then the boss of all police in the country, wanted to be personally present. So he travelled from Sofia to the coastal city, which took 6 hours on the then-broken roads.

He got out of the car, made sure that he is being photographed, and attacked the front door with a carate kick.

When the police got in, the printing presses were there, but no people. They had somehow gotten out in the hours it took minister Borisov to arrive to deliver a kick.

Jolenealaska

I'm not sure why, but that makes me think of this:

Cerberus

Haha, that is hilarious.

Jolenealaska

rumtscho

I have no idea whether he was only the stupidest vain person ever, or also had a hidden agenda, bribed to give the criminals time to run away.

Cerberus

Are you sure the printers hadn't fled long before the police arrived?

Jolenealaska

8:19 AM

I've never seen a political ad like it...

It's an ad for the Republicans.

rumtscho

@Cerberus I don't know for sure. The way it was told, it suggested that they had been there when the building got cordoned, and the police was either too incompetent to hold them in, or colluded with them.

@Jolenealaska Yes, I thought the Democrats could make better ones for themselves

Cerberus

@rumtscho That would be bad...

@Jolenealaska I'm not sure I understand the significance of this poster...

Jolenealaska

That's got to be a first in American political history. To be associated with the current president is political suicide.

rumtscho

@Jolenealaska why? Don't the Democrats like him any more?

Cerberus

I thought all your Presidents suffered from the "6-years' itch"?

rumtscho

8:24 AM

The democrat voters, I mean.

Jolenealaska

In Alaska anyway, he is that reviled.

rumtscho

I know that the more superstitious republicans are seriously convinced he's the antichrist, but they wouldn't have voted for any democrat candidate, no matter who the president is.

@Jolenealaska why?

Jolenealaska

Alaska is hugely conservative/republican, but not like this. This is just bizarre.

The universal healthcare thing is the worst...

It's like he is a child rapist....

He is hated here in a way I don't understand.

Yet, he was re-elected!

rumtscho

Why, what is their position? Poor people who had the audacity to get sick deserve to die in misery within a kilometer of a hospital with the most technologically advanced health care facilities in the world?

Cerberus

Hey, they were probably lazy, and sinners, so they deserve to die.

Jolenealaska

8:32 AM

That's the thing....no...no one suggests that...yet, it seems that Americans can not comprehend that we can't have it both ways....Either medicine=huge profit, or it doesn't.

rumtscho

Oh, this isn't a dilemma

Jolenealaska

Medicine=/=huge profit.

Or a big tax base.

Cerberus

Well, things are improving, aren't they?

It just takes a while.

Jolenealaska

I don't know that they are...

rumtscho

Currently, the state run health insurance companies here (which is obligatory for everybody except people who can prove that they are rich enough to not need it, and decide to ditch it) is swimming in money.

Jolenealaska

8:35 AM

that means that they're not giving proper care.

rumtscho

No, that was wrong. Not all these companies are state run. But they are considered to be part of the "mandatory national health insurance"

So my health insurance company is so rich, it has been returning some money for the last 2 years. They don't know what else to do with it.

Cerberus

@Jolenealaska Well, you have Obamacare now, don't you? That should be a big improvement?

Jolenealaska

I cost the VA over $130,000 per year. No, I am exempt from Obamacare, because I have VA.

rumtscho

And we have no advances in pharma, because stage III trials are too expensive for the pharma companies to run here in Germany. The clinics are asking for way too much money. And they always win the negotiations, because they (the clinics) are rich enough to just walk away from a deal they don't like.

Jolenealaska

It seems as though the VA could be used as a model.

Although, in other places, the VA is not highly regarded.

rumtscho

8:39 AM

@Jolenealaska But nobody is agianst that, because the poor kids who are sent to die for the homeland's right for cheap oil are sacred. Just as in proto Bulgarian times when the best youth had to be sacrificed to the gods, and were brainwashed to consider it the highest honour.

Don't get me wrong, I'm very glad that you, personally, have this support from somewhere.

And that there is some kind of support for the ex soldiers at all.

Jolenealaska

My Dad was a lawyer and I had a pool in my backyard. I understand what you're saying, but I don't think it means as much as you think it does.

rumtscho

I just wish you'd find another opportunity for your young people instead of sending them to horrific fights at the other end of the world, then spend time and money to repair them.

Jolenealaska

It's not about the poverty of soldiers.

Yes, the military is another way, but it is not just that.

rumtscho

@Jolenealaska It was an embittered opinion not on the poverty of soldiers, but on the idea of starting so many wars at all. And, as a corollary, convincing your population to fight in these wars by promoting the soldiers to semi sacred status.

Cerberus

> The World Health Organization's ranking
of the world's health systems.
Source: WHO World Health Report - See also Spreadsheet Details (731kb)

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems was last produced in 2000, and the WHO no longer produces such a ranking table, because of the complexity of the task.

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan

Sorry for the text wall...

I'm surprised Italy scored so well.

Not to mention Oman...

Of course these rankings need to be taken with a grain of salt.

I'm also surprised South Korea and New Zealand scored so low.

Below countries like Dominica.

Jolenealaska

8:48 AM

When I joined, our last big engagement was Vietnam. For some reason it felt more like joining the National Guard (Disaster response, that kind of thing)...

That we were actually going to war seemed odd...

I don't want to kill anyone!

rumtscho

@Jolenealaska I don't know when you joined. My earliest political memories include the Gulf war.

Jolenealaska

1989

rumtscho

@Jolenealaska I understand. And I don't think the people who join are at fault. I'm sure they have their reasons, and in their situation, from inside the system, it looks like a very good option.

Jolenealaska

Don't get me wrong, I feel no need to explain myself or to apologize. It's not soldiers that make war. War will happen either way, soldiers are just a matter of supply and demand.

rumtscho

I'm sad that there are people who work at convincing everybody that this is such a great option, that's all. They make a skewed system, and you ordinary people do your best to lead a good life within it.

Jolenealaska

8:56 AM

I think you are seeing a non-representative perspective.

Maybe joining the military used to be a way out...

I don't think that is so true anymore...

rumtscho

@Jolenealaska I'm quite sure my perspective is not shared by the average American. But from the outside, your attitude to war and soldiering seems unusual. Especially for a nation as developed as yours, and faced with so little threats to its territory and/or sovereignity.

Jolenealaska

Yes, we (the US) is too quick to go to war.

rumtscho

@Jolenealaska what would you say are today's people's reasons to join the army?

Jolenealaska

Wow, cause this makes little sense...

Honor

It's about patriotism...

It's about 9/11

9/11 is a big part of it.

rumtscho

these are all reasons which look very illogical to me.

Jolenealaska

9:06 AM

Yes, but you asked.

rumtscho

Diabetes is probably killing more Americans per month than the ones who died on 9/11 once. But you don't declare a war on your fast food industry.

Jolenealaska

This was long after my time in the Army, but it keeps escalating..

rumtscho

@Jolenealaska I'm not saying you're incorrect in observing that these are the reasons. I'm just saying that they further convince me of my opinion that you could have used all these resources in a more constructive way.

ElendilTheTall

this is deep for a tuesday morning

rumtscho

@ElendilTheTall procrastination shies no hardship to make me avoid my actual work

ElendilTheTall

9:11 AM

'procrastination shies no hardship' makes no sense :)

Jolenealaska

I want a constructive way to deal with threats...and they are threats...ISIS, Jihadists...

rumtscho

@ElendilTheTall you sound like the kind of lucky guy who has never met real procrastination.

It has nothing to do with laziness. It's much worse.

Jolenealaska

Subway bombers and Boston Marathon Bombers..

ElendilTheTall

@rumtscho no, i mean that sentence literally makes no grammatical sense

rumtscho

@ElendilTheTall Then maybe I made a literal translation of an idiom not present in English.

Doesn't "to shy something" mean something close to "to be afraid to face something"?

ElendilTheTall

9:16 AM

no

'shy away'

'The horse shied away from the edge of the cliff'

Jolenealaska

Oh God, here we go.

rumtscho

> shy (third-person singular simple present shies, present participle shying, simple past and past participle shied)

(intransitive) To avoid due to timidness or caution.

I shy away from investment opportunities I don't understand.

(intransitive) To jump back in fear.

The horse shied away from the rider, which startled him so much he shied away from the horse.

(transitive) to throw sideways with a jerk; to fling

to shy a stone; to shy a slipper
(Can we find and add a quotation of T. Hughes to this entry?)

from Wiktionary

@Jolenealaska what, grammar?

you find it worse than a discussion on your country's politics by foreigners?

Jolenealaska

Oh yes, Tall is rather infamous.

Cerberus

Stoopid forrunners!

Jolenealaska

OMG, it's officially election day.

For Chissake...

This is going to get con-fuk-en-luted... hide and watch...

rumtscho

9:24 AM

@Jolenealaska I wish you luck. And I hope you have a candidate who deserves to win it.

Jolenealaska

gee, if we had that, there wouldn't be a problem!

rumtscho

@ElendilTheTall What would have been a grammatically correct way to formulate my sentence above?

Cerberus

I would say, "does not shy from hardship".

Jolenealaska

There is no hardship to make me avoid my actual work like procrastination.

rumtscho

@Jolenealaska I don't think this sounds the way I wanted it to.

Jolenealaska

9:36 AM

Really? I thought that was rather brilliant!:)

rumtscho

I understand your version to make the point that "procrastination is the strongest motivator to avoid work, stronger than even hardship". But what I wanted to say is that "procrastination will bring me to do anything, even very hard things, just to avoid work".

Jolenealaska

Ah!

Hmm..I've experienced that too. It's much more rare!

Jolenealaska

9:58 AM

Bless all of your sweet hearts! I've got to go to bed. Cya soon.

Tom W

8:44 PM

sup

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