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12:00 AM
And then I answered a question which I found almost too trivial. I am sure others could have given it, it was nothing special. I just happened to see the question first.
And because for some reason (OK, probably bacon :) ) the question gets so many hits, the upvotes are raining.
I am not complaining that I got all the upvotes :) But I feel that the relative quality of answers between questions isn't measured well by the system.
Just because there are great questions and great answers which don't get much exposure.
 
For a particular question and answer the system doesn't necessarily work well.
For a huge set the oddities average out and you end up with a collection of mostly good answers.
 
@sargesmith, I wasn't completely serious when I complained about the tags shown.
 
That's the theory anyway- but it seems to hold.
That said- silly popular things like @yossarian's- "Why did my banana catch on fire" skew the averages.
 
I got you @rum
 
@rumtscho- I don't think you are giving yourself enough credit for that answer though.
Perhaps it isn't earth shattering but it is a unique perspective.
 
12:06 AM
I am too new here to know about the self-immolating banana.
 
Your answer isn't about bacon it's about food preservation and culinary history.
 
my most popular answer is still the fish in a dishwater... a very similar situation that i thought was gonna get closed as a troll question.. it happens
 
These are things most Americans are too far removed from (in my opinion.)
 
Well, this must be some cultural difference with the bacon.
 
I was just reading the fish in a dishwater again. That was bizarre.
 
12:07 AM
and the bacon answer is good and exactly what the OP was asking for
 
Bacon is popular- as far as I can tell people like to talk about it more than they actually eat it.
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Q: Why did my banana catch fire in the microwave?

yossarianWow, that sounds like a silly question, but really! My wife froze bananas in the freezer with the peel still on. You can't peel them frozen. I put it in the microwave for one minute at 50% power. After 30 seconds the thin end of the peel (where a bunch connect to each other) was on fire, with a v...

 
i don't know... most people i know have it at least twice a week
 
Hobodave's answer has 44 upvotes.
 
When I saw the bacon question, my first reaction was "Is there really someone out there who thinks that cured meat must be cooked?".
 
the thing is... supermarket bacon in the usa isn't really cured
 
12:09 AM
@rumtscho I'm not proud of the state of food in the US.
 
Can I answer to two messages at once?
 
I don't need food to be sophisticated or expensive. But it would be nice if people seemed to care at all what they were eating.
 
not in the traditional sense anyway... it works out the same in the end in most cases but the process is typically far removed
 
@rumtscho Have you tried the link button on the right side of comments? It makes the comments chain together as a thread.
 
Because my reaction to both these messages is that from what I know about US food, there shouldn't be any problem with food safety. Most things seem to be processed enough that no bacteria would survive in them.
Some months ago there was this mommy blogger who made headlines
A year before, she had bought a Happy Meal and left it on a shelf in the pantry.
 
12:12 AM
Ugh- I can tell where this is going.
 
Then she opened it. She claims there was no difference at all from a freshly bought Happy Meal.
She was wondering, if it isn't nutritious enough to harbor bacteria for a year, is it really OK to be given to children?
 
@rumtscho not enough moisture by wieght in the food to allow decomp.... kenji at food eats has a proof of concept
sorry serious eats
 
I don't rant on this subject often because most people stop listening.
 
I generally expect my bread, cheese and potatoes to become moldy after some time.
 
When I share my bread with people they are often blown away by how different and good it is.
 
12:14 AM
and the people over here are operating from a place of fuzzy thinking , especially when it comes to what they put in there mouths
 
But they still aren't willing to cook for themselves or even buy slightly more expensive "real" food.
@rumtscho When I lived in Utah things almost never really decomposed. There is so little humidity that bread will just go rock hard and never really break down.
 
If they are composed of something with too much fat and salt and not enough water to allow bacterial life, then this is a big warning for me. (I don't believe in conspiracy theories of McD putting too much poisonous conservants in the food).
 
@Sobachatina yeah, convenience wins out all the time, to mosts detriment
 
OK, this could be a point. I don't remember where she lived.
 
@rumtscho You just have to drink enough diet coke to rehydrate it.
 
12:17 AM
@rumtscho no additives... you can do it with any peice of beef cooked that way
 
@Sobachatina sure. I hope that I haven't heard of osmotic pressure either.
 
@rum hang on a sec i'll dig up the link
 
@sarge_smith No need, I am sure I must have read it at some point.
 
and feel free to disregard, as i didn't read before posting :)
 
@Sobachatina, I feel in a similar way here. Many people don't care so much about good food.
But I am sure it isn't as dramatic as in the USA.
 
12:21 AM
@rumtscho I should point out that I don't usually spend a lot of money on food or anything else really.
I consider a pot of red beans and homemade bread to be the most perfect food and almost free.
 
That's normal, raw food costs more than the same food processed, with some exceptions.
 
But make that cheap store bought bread and canned beans and it isn't even edible anymore.
Whenever someone tells me that they don't like tomatoes (which happens not infrequently) I have to ask them if they have ever had one from a farmer's market?
If not then they have never eaten a ripe tomato and don't actually know how magical they taste.
 
You know, I've always tried to distance myself of stereotypes. I've heard all the stuff about Americans not knowing about geography outside NA, having one gun for everybody plus one for the dog, and eating the worst food in the world, without ever touching any other appliance than a microwave oven.
I still have no opinion on the first two.
But one day, I was curious about what a "casserole" is, and looked on the internet for recipes.
 
the thing is, I don't think most people care, period.... there are plenty of people who agree with sobachati and plenty more who just don't care what they eat... the thing is once you start trading time for money and you run into the present situation
 
@sarge_smith I agree- there are always exceptions though.
 
12:26 AM
The common ones (highly starred) usually went like "Take the precooked turkey out of the package. Empty the canned vegetables on it. Pour two cans of soup over it. Put into the microwave for 20 minutes.". And it had so many comments about how homemade is so great.
 
I think that most people would make the same trade offs if they could, sadly
 
That's when I started to believe the stereotype about atrocious food.
 
@rum there are a lot of people who grew up on that, and will continue too. but there are a lot of people that actually cook.... it's just sorta lost in the wave of noise generated by the cans of soup crowd
 
Here in Europe, frozen dinners don't have that much tradition, and I've read that consumption is on the rise. But it is nowhere as bad as with you. The people can make the trade offs, the supply is there. But there are still many who cook. Not everyday, but often.
I don't doubt that there are people in America who cook and even enjoy it.
 
@rumtscho 1- The geography- Russians knew just as much about geography outside of Asia as Americans do outside of NA. That is they learned it in school but had no real reason to continue remembering after school. I suspect it comes from being relatively alone on the continent.
 
12:30 AM
i meant, that most would eat like americans if given the chance, look at the explosive growth of the fast foods which are possibly the worst food ever made by man
 
@sarge_smith And I meant that Europe is given the chance, but still holds with more normal food.
 
@rumtscho 2- guns- Only in some states would that hold- Texas being one of the best of course.
 
I agree about the fast food, the moment I enter a McDonalds, I start to gag from the permeating stench of fat. I can't eat there. Not even the salads or the yogurts.
 
@rum not to the same extent, you guys, as i understand it, have a much more rational attitude about work which means you have time for things like dinner, not so much the case over hear
 
And what I find funniest about these people, is that they actually think that they care about food.
 
12:33 AM
@rumtscho As for 3- most people I know don't exclusively use a microwave or frozen meals but they do eat squishy bread, poor produce, fake parmesan, veggies out of a can, and a lot of fast food.
 
@sarge_smith OK, that's a point. Here people work the hours written in the contract.
OK, not everybody has to be serious about food.
 
@sarge_smith I'm fortunate that my wife chooses to stay at home and that combined with my personal interest in cooking means we eat better than average.
 
There are things I've decided to be serious about, and other which don't matter to me, even though I have some contact with them.
But there are people who read about the importance of food and nutrition.
And they jump at the idea to eat better.
And have no idea how to do it.
And then, for some reason, they don't get the correct information. I don't know why, I've always been able to find it.
 
@sargesmith- that burger article was very interesting- thanks.
 
We had one on the site some days ago. A newbie who was more interesting in dieting than in cooking.
 
12:37 AM
@Sobachatina the house i grew up in had a stay at home mom, and my dad was the same, and i cook at a professional level..... not at the job I currently have but I have the skills, and I have say that I'm glad they exposed it to me when they did
 
He stated that he is on a diet, so wants to create a very healthy low-calorie recipe.
 
@Sobachatina yeah he is a great writer and does some very good research
 
The recipe contained cheese, flour, several kinds of highly processed powders, everything formed into balls and deep fried.
And he asked how to reduce calories by choosing a healthier oil for the deep frying.
@sarge_smith I totally recommend Kenji too.
But my point is, that the people care about food - or maybe they think that they should care and try it, but somehow can't get it right. That's what puzzles me a lot.
 
@rumtscho yeah because he wanted to keep eating fried balls, he just didn't want to feel bad about it. the thing is most of the people you are talking about don't see anything wrong with what they eat
and they have no desire to change... shoot my roommate eats off a menu of about ten things... no lie, and has zero problem with it
 
@sarge_smith I don't find it bad if they have no problems with it. I find it bad when they are trying to convince themselves and the world that they are better than the average fast-food-gobbling Westerner who's going to keel over from plugged arteries or the C, because they give much thought to their diet and eat healthy, good quality food. And their healthy food is fried cheese, but please in something other than canola, I've heard bad things about that.
 
12:46 AM
@rumtscho At least now you can tell such people that you know at least half a dozen Westerners that don't fit their stereotypes.
 
@rumtscho yeah... thus the fuzzy thinking... they aren't equipped for critical thinking ;)
 
@Sobachatina, I am glad to know you people. I never imagined that I'd spend so much time on a cooking forum, just because my life doesn't revolve about food and cooking. But it is just nice company here.
 
@rumtscho Likewise. I wonder if it isn't a result of a (currently) fairly niche demographic- Cooking enthusiasts on a site that branched off of a programming Q&A site. Just my kind of people.
Geeks that care about food.
 
@Sobachatina It surely is. Non-geek Internet communities have completely other dynamics.
I just have hard time to feel at home there, because they don't understand me, and they are filling their forums with stuff I consider noise around the real information.
 
Have you worked with sourdough much?
I need to put together some questions about it.
 
12:55 AM
Me? Never. I've just eaten it.
 
some here and there
 
Every couple of years I try to really understand it so I can always be successful.
But then I neglect it for a month or so and my starter dies and I give up for another couple of years.
But I love to eat the stuff.
Oh- there's the question.
Just a sec.
 
I once stumbled on a German forum that was dedicated entirely to sourdough. If your questions find no one equipped to answer, I can try translating info from there.
Cool, they have made a book out of their knowledge.
 
It's already been answered. Nice.
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Q: How long will a sourdough starter last between feedings?

Todd HunterIm using a sourdough starter from the recipe in Peter Reinhart's Artisan Breads Every Day and i have gone through several of the rebuilding cycles with it. Its been working fairly well for me and i have been refreshing it every week. It is stored in an airtight container in the fridge. How lon...

So if I want to go longer than 2 weeks or so I need to freeze it.
 
guess i get to delete the last few seconds of typing :)
 
12:59 AM
So- I should probably get a healthy starter and just freeze some right away for when I inevitably kill my starter.
@sarge_smith Sorry. I hate it when that happens.
I am glad that I searched before having my question closed as a duplicate.
 
I think that if keeping a starter culture is too much trouble for you, you could always buy the ready-to-bake culture for every new batch of bread.
But if you are really using it 2 times a week, I don't see a problem.
 
all good i was just saying what the top answer was saying any way.... and yeah that one slid past me or i would have just sent it to you
 
@rumtscho The problem is that my bread doesn't rise that long.
One one hour rise and then another hour for the loaves to proof.
Most artisan bread recipes that I use call for many long rises.
It doesn't fit into our process.
 
I thought that this is how you are supposed to do it with yeast, too.
 
The artisan bread I make on occasion starts with a poolish that ferments overnight.
 
1:03 AM
But I admit that I sometimes even rise my dough for 10 minutes in a 50°C oven.
 
Then in the morning a very wet dough is made that rises 3 times for an hour each.
The bread is amazing but that is too much time except for special occasions.
 
Really? I mean, you are not required to do anything while it rises.
 
I still have to be near the kitchen for the better part of a day.
 
But OK, I really have no experience with sourdough.
 
I need to break out of my comfort zone and try some new bread recipes to try and find some that will fit into our lifestyle.
 
1:06 AM
They even have a special chapter on rye sourdough
 
How is Google's translation? Usable?
 
I mean the people from the sourdough forum, they have written a concise text on sourdough, and it has this chapter. It is actually quite short.
I don't know, try it.
 
Not bad.
"The rye sourdough is the best known and probably most important form of sourdough."
 
That's the rule in Germany.
Most wheat bread is yeast leavened, most rye and rye-mix bread is sourdough.
I'll try to correct the translation for this chapter.
 
That would explain why my experiments were never able to get the same depth of flavor.
@sargesmith- what is required of one who runs KFC? I figured you probably deal with staffing and ingredient supply and the corp sends you menus and promotional material, etc.
Time to go. Talk to you later.
 
1:17 AM
@Sobachatina, wait just a moment please.
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4.1 The Current: Rye sourdough

The rye sourdough is the best known and probably most important form of sourdough.

Because rye flour can't be baked just like that (the rye enzyme phytin disturbs the formation of a stable crumb), the addition of an acid to the dough is necessary to stop this enzyme. This problem is solved with the lactic and acetic acid bacteria in an outstanding manner. That it brings as a third companion also a yeast (the wild sourdough yeast) is a happy s
Or actually, I improved the Google translation. Now it should be usable.
OK, goodnight now. I should have long since been in bed anyway. I hope the text helps.
 
1:34 AM
@Sobachatina staffing, food cost, store repair, basically anything you need to do in a normally in a restaurant just with the backing of a large corp. that makes sure you get paid when you are supposed to... I didn't do culinary school and I am way better at the making money side than the cooking side (plus it makes more money over here).
 
@rumtscho xkcd definitely does not get special treatment. All image links on any site are oneboxed (sorry for the late reply).
 
hey aaronut
@yossarian so my proposal would be award people that are bringing in somebody new to the community... maybe a bounty type system where you call the person and if you manage to get them to stop by you get an entry for the prize
 
2:18 AM
@rumtscho- Thanks for the translation.
@Aaronut but the xkcd image wasn't linked- the comic page was linked and the image (and alt text) were extracted from it.
 
3:12 AM
@yossarian or maybe month long leagues for a bigger prize... or a couple of months leading up to the year winner getting something huge... Just saying that gaming is operating under a much different set of constraints
 

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