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5:00 AM
@RoryAlsop Nice find! I like this guy.
 
 
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7:45 AM
For the "revoke this programmer's license to code" files: I'm reviewing a client's internal web app and just ran across where the programmer in charge switched their password hashing function from md5() to base64_encode() with a commit message about "upgrading to latest 64 bit security".
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Somebody is going to wish their VCS didn't have a blame function, because that's' exactly what I'm going to do with it.
 
@Caleb Wut? base64 is weak! Use rot13 instead...
 
8:40 AM
@RoryAlsop @RоryMcCune Ahhh :)
@TerryChia just be sure to use two rounds of ROT-13
 
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Q: What is the terminal velocity of a sheep?

FlauntingI am thinking of an alternative timing mechanism; I am building a trap and I wanted to try something different to set it off. I want to drop a sheep from n blocks high so that I have a delay before the trap is triggered. The timing needs to be very exact, but I don't know how the falling mechani...

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brilliant
 
@deed02392 Ooooh, PBKDF2ROT13.
 
8:52 AM
@TerryChia PBKDF2ROT13WTFOMG - there, fixed that for ya
 
9:19 AM
Gah! Same client as ^^^, internal app has an "export/backup" function that creates a data dump file with a custom extension. The dump is supposed to be password protected, and sure enough the app prompts you for the password on export / import. So far so good. But open the data file in any editor and you'll see it's just a plain text dump of cvs like data and the first line of the file is password=<plain text password>.
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9:38 AM
@Caleb Genius.
Did he base64 encode it?
 
@TerryChia No. Plain text.
@TerryChia Makes me wonder. Just how dumb did they expect 'bad guys' to be?
 
@Caleb Maybe their threat model is 5 year old kids using computers for the first time.
 
@Caleb hahaha that made my morning, thanks
 
@TildalWave Glad it made somebody's morning because this client sure isn't making mine!
 
@Caleb yeah I bet, tho you have to admit it'll likely leave you with plenty more of fantastic anecdotes to share on your old age :)
 
9:45 AM
@TerryChia LOL, that's being generous. Can I quote that in my report? It might be kinder than any other way I can put this.
 
@Caleb Heh, go ahead.
 
@TerryChia kind(er) Terry LOL
(that's a first)
 
10:07 AM
@Tildal "5 year old kid using computers for the first time" isn't exactly kind though.
 
@TerryChia it's kinder than what I'd expect from you
you softy you! :)
 
/me not sure if compliment or insult
 
@TerryChia No TWSS? Damn! The hell DID freeze over!
 
@Caleb That programmer is clearly destined for greatness.
 
10:23 AM
@CodesInChaos It's not just one, it's a team. VCS blame suggests those two "features" were the brain child of two different employees.
 
10:35 AM
@tildal heh, on mobile at the moment.
@Caleb Birds of feathers?
 
10:53 AM
 
Which website is best for searching for CVEs related to a specific product?
 
@TerryChia I use cvedetails.com
 
@RоryMcCune Cool thanks.
 
@TerryChia np
 
11:40 AM
@RoryAlsop yeah me 2. I logged on last night and almost managed to dock before the online portion of the game crashed... Still I'm getting better with the HOTAS stick I got so hopefully will be competent to fly about in a bit if not fight things...
 
@RоryMcCune /me goes off to google hotas
@RоryMcCune WTF??? £400?
 
@RoryAlsop basically joystick with separate throttle controly thing .. amazon.co.uk/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Joystick-PS3/dp/…
 
it better be good!
 
one I got was £39.99
:)
 
ahh - okay. That seems more sane
 
11:43 AM
although as you say some people spend silly money on them
 
littlewoods.com/thrustmaster-hotas-warthog-joystick/…-GS_electricals--Electricals+-+Gaming‌​+-+Google+Shopping-_-IvezcBRB_42991149626
 
ah yeah that and the saitek ones seem popular amongst the high-end crowd on the elite dangerous forums
this one seems fine to me, has a plethora of buttons and Elite dangerous has a pre-set template for this stick which is handy
 
12:38 PM
@RоryMcCune @TildalWave A design is in the works for a USB Condom, with a single port and even potentially with a 7-port USB 2.0 hub front end.
 
@DavidFreitag Are you naming it USB Condom?
Actually, that name is taken IIRC.
 
@TerryChia It was kinda the plan...
Also, $10 for that? That's bullshit.
 
@DavidFreitag No it's not. It's sales.
Oh wait.
 
That must be, what, $2 in components and probably $1 for the pcb
 
@DavidFreitag hehe fantastic so it's an octopus USB condom?
 
12:54 PM
@TildalWave Something like that, yeah
 
@DavidFreitag Dude, not everyone can solder.
 
more euphemisms. Which is a nice segue to what looks like a sister chat room to this one, if you read the room description:

 The Base Camp

Nothing running?
heh
 
@TerryChia Hot plate: $11, Stencil: $6, PCB: <$10, Solder paste: $19, Putty knife: $1.79, Infrared thermometer: $7.49, Reflow in your basement: about $30.
 
@DavidFreitag You forgot the time investment needed to learn how to do it.
Also, some people (me) have absolutely zero interest in learning how to do it.
It's a fair markup if the product is useful.
 
@TerryChia About 5 minutes. Dave Jones has some great videos on the subject.
@TerryChia I was born with the knowledge of how to do it.
 
12:58 PM
@DavidFreitag Good for you.
 
1:17 PM
@RoryAlsop wooo i managed to dock without crashing!!
 
@RоryMcCune hahahaha - I'm not too bad at it. But I was a whiz at it back in original Elite days, so I was hoping I could do it.
it's very easy to wander into the sides or overshoot your landing pad though
 
@RoryAlsop yeah the lateral thusters make landing much easier!
 
1:40 PM
When I join this chat, all I see is a bunch of donuts.
 
1:59 PM
@Simon Maybe you should look at the screen rather than your desk?
 
@Xander I wish I had donuts, it'd make this black coffee less horrible.
RIP sugar
 
@Simon I do not think that word means what you think it means
</Vizzini>
 
It tastes like death.
 
I never really have understood the desire to put sugar in coffee. If you don't like coffee, why not just drink something you do like the taste of instead? Tea? Soda?
 
@Xander Oh come on, what about those who put milk in it?
Milk alters the taste way more than sugar.
 
2:05 PM
@Simon Yeah, I don't get that either.
Not that there's anything wrong with a nice latte, but dumping additives into a cup of black coffee so that you don't have to taste it properly just seems a bit self-defeating.
 
But the ultimate sin is Clamato in a beer.
 
@Simon That's quite odd. I don't believe anyone really does that.
 
@Xander A ton of people do that here.
 
@Simon I believe the coffee-sans-sugar has gone and made you delusional. I can only find one reference to this in the Google, after a thorough two-second scan of the first page of results.
 
@Xander erm... I like caffeine, but hate the taste of coffee. I do drink Red Bull, Monster etc, but at work it is easiest to get a vanilla latte
@Simon what is clamato
it sounds like a disease
yeeek - I have googled it
Why does that even exist?
 
2:14 PM
@RoryAlsop Tomato juice spiked with clam-something-or-other.
Clam juice or dried ground clam, I can't remember.
 
@Xander that's just entirely nope
Clamato /kləˈmɑːtoʊ/ is a drink made of reconstituted tomato juice concentrate flavored with spices and clam broth. Made by Mott's, the name is a portmanteau of "clam" and "tomato". It is also referred to colloquially as "clamato juice." Clamato was produced in its current form beginning in 1966 by the Duffy-Mott company in Hamlin, New York, by two employees who wanted to create a Manhattan clam chowder style cocktail by combining tomato juice and clam broth with spices. Its history extends further back, however, as a nearly identical drink was already present in a cookbook published 10 years earlier...
 
@RoryAlsop Yes, that's my position as well.
 
> reconstituted tomato juice concentrate flavored with spices and clam broth
 
@Simon You should be adding some maple syrup into your coffee.
 
@TerryChia A lot of people do that too.
 
2:23 PM
 
I like big turtles and I cannot lie.
 
@DavidFreitag superb gif
Just had a bite of our wedding cake. It's 16 years old and tastes fine. All wrapped up again - let's see if it survives another 16
 
@RoryAlsop lolwat? It was frozen I assume?
 
@Simon nope. Just a slice of fruit cake with icing, wrapped in cling film and popped in a box.
(fruit cakes live forever!)
 
dayum
Just like my D.
 
2:31 PM
When I was at university (back in the dark ages) I used to get sent Christmas cake by my mother. By the time it got to me in July or August, it had already been around for a couple of months, being topped up with brandy. I'd then keep feeding it brandy until Christmas - heaviest cakes ever.
 
Were you already a yoloer at university or that happened later on?
 
oooh they redesigned the amazon site.
 
@RoryAlsop I'm not sure I should be asking but... why?
@Simon I don't think the term "yolo" existed when @RoryAlsop was in university.
 
@TerryChia I'm surprised that university actually existed back then.
 
Heck, I don't think the English language has been invented when @RoryAlsop was in university.
 
2:40 PM
Quite possible.
 
@TerryChia I'm working from home. Claire came home early and decided that spring cleaning of the spare room was in order, so has been popping through with various things. This was one of the the things in the wedding day box
 
@RoryAlsop The question is why do you have 16 year old cake. The bigger question is why will you want to see if it survives another 16 years.
Are you going to give your kids the cake when they get married? A family heirloom of sorts?
 
@Simon universities have been around since the 6th century AD. Back then they all used Latin.
@TerryChia tradition, mostly - you keep one slice of your wedding cake
@TerryChia no
 
2:56 PM
@RoryAlsop Ah, I didn't know this. Is this a Scottish thing or a everyone thing?
 
So there''s a suggested edit in the queue that I rejected as a radical change since it attempted to reverse the meaning of the answer, but on second thought, vandalism might have been more appropriate since it is also trying to promote a specific site.
Anyone want to take a look or have thoughts?
Nevermind. Luc squashed it.
 
Luc the squasher.
 
@TerryChia dunno - it's a wife thing is all I know
 
@RoryAlsop Yah, same in the States. We had ours till the oldest child decided it would be a good idea to unplug the chest freezer in the garage so he could plug his guitar amp in, and of course never bothered to plug the freezer back in when he was through.
 
@Xander guitarists, eh
@Xander I never thought of freezing it though. That's probably a good idea...
 
3:10 PM
Your mom's a guitarist.
 
@RoryAlsop Crap, if it's lastest sixteen years without freezing, I don't think you need to worry at this point. :-)
 
@Simon Your guitarist is a mom.
 
@RoryAlsop Ha, no doubt! Bunch of no-good bums, the lot of them.
:-P
 
@Simon nah - she's a singer. And has had more albums out than me :-(
 
@DavidFreitag Interesting.
@RoryAlsop That's pretty cool.
 
3:18 PM
@RoryAlsop Did they have albums in Ancient Rome?
 
@Simon Yeah - it is actually. Choral works with the St. Magnus Cathedral Choir, so not my kind of music, but they do sound rather good.
@TerryChia engraved in pot shards using a stalk of barley
 
Man this whole three hours of sleep thing is starting to catch up with me.
 
@DavidFreitag have another 3. Biphasic sleep is cool, man.
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Q: How to switch to biphasic sleep?

MichielI have read about research evidence that biphasic sleep (i.e. sleeping 2 times every 24 hours instead of once) is probably closer to the normal human rhythm. Typically two approaches are mentioned: A 1-sleep cycle nap late in the afternoon or early in the evening followed by a 3 or 4-sleep cyc...

 
@RoryAlsop I was up until four working on my DMZ-inspired USB condom when I suddenly realized I had an engineering meeting at 9am
 
@DavidFreitag I'm sure your boss will understand if you explain to him you were working on a USB condom.
 
3:26 PM
@TerryChia Actually I brought it up to my bosses while everyone was getting to the conference room.
Who the hell's idea was it to put male headers on all the eval kits.
 
@DavidFreitag A male?
 
3:45 PM
Please put a stake thru the heart of this way-too-broad question:
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Q: How difficult is the USB firmware attack?

PiTheNumberNot really new but it's all over the news right now. You can hack a USB firmware to run an attack but emulating a keyboard. I wonder how difficult it is pull this off. If I buy a normal USB stick from a store. How can I flash a new firmware? Does it require special hardware or can an infected...

I've spelled it out in the comments....
 
4:16 PM
@nealmcb done
 
4:36 PM
Wait, C doesn't have function overloading?
 
C is for cookie, that's good enough for me
 
@DavidFreitag No, C does not have function overloading. (Mmh, there might be something for the support of some C99 math functions, but this is not open to ordinary programmers.)
 
@ThomasPornin Nor is it generally open to ARM microcontrollers via Atmel Studio...
 
5:13 PM
Yeah...
 
@DavidFreitag Ah, I found what I was looking for. In C99, the compiler/library should offer type-generic math functions in <tgmath.h>.
Such functions cannot be really defined in standard C, so the contents of the <tgmath.h> header file (if it exists as a file) must employ some kind of overloading feature (using an extension specific to the C compiler at hand).
Have a look at /usr/include/tgmath.h on some Linux machine; you will be enlightened (or thoroughly confused).
 
@ThomasPornin Nice.
 
@Simon What's C# for then? Cookie cutter?
 
@TildalWave Pound cookies. Like pound cake, only more portable.
 
@TildalWave Nah, C# is for donuts.
 
Herm. The compiler is throwing multiple definition errors for function prototypes... :\
 
5:46 PM
@Xander So a Bag O Cookies? Daaam C# make you phat!
so F# is for fortune cookies?
 
God the ASF is such a pain in the ass.
 
 
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7:36 PM
Hm. That's interesting. mantidproject.org/Main_Page
 
8:04 PM
@RoryAlsop Thanks! The USB story is good, but we need better questions....
 
 
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9:16 PM
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Q: Grsecurity: best strategy sought

countermodeIf a server is run with Linux hardened with Grsecurity (say, Gentoo Hardened), what is the best time to enable Grsecurity RBAC? Automatically by some boot script, or manually after booting?

Is this answerable? Does the question even make sense?
I'm not familiar with grsecurity
 
Oh dear god what.
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Q: using a field update to update a lookup field based on another lookup field

BartleyI want to be able to update a lookup field "FirstUser"(lookup to user) with the value form another lookup field (CreatedbyID). What is the simplest way to do this? Do I need to create a trigger? I only want this to fire when the record is created. Therefore if USerA creates the record, the field ...

 
@DavidFreitag ... It's too damn late in the night for that shit.
 
@FEichinger It's only 17:20 here.
 
#insert <Xzibit>
 
@DavidFreitag And it's 11.20pm here!
 
9:21 PM
@FEichinger That's not late, it's friday! The night is just getting started.
 
@Gilles taking a stab in the dark, intermediately after booting
 
@Braiam You bastard! That was my favorite kidney.
 
@DavidFreitag don't worry, you have two :P
... or so I hope
 
@Braiam Yeah, kidneys are abundant in my family. There is a weird genetic issue where we have a high chance of being born with three.
My grandfather, my father, most of my uncles, and I think one of my aunts have three kidneys.
 
where's FEichinger script when you need it....
 
9:27 PM
@Braiam Huh?
 
@Braiam Which one? There wasn't a single #yolo in there, I promise.
 
@DavidFreitag YOLO IS NOT MY SCRIPT.
 
the need intensifies
 
Huehuehue.
 
@Braiam twss
 
9:30 PM
ಠ_ಠ
 
@Braiam Well, I was one of the normal ones with two. Right up until I was stabbed.
 
I knew bears were good guys imgur.com/gallery/9B5C2wD
 
@Gilles I am not aware of it. I guess it may make sense to someone au fait with it...
 
9:49 PM
@Braiam Hmmm @ThomasPornin ...
 
 
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10:54 PM
Yay! A new firearms proposal. area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/72511/…
Not sure if they'll let it be, since the last Firearms beta fell on its face.
 
@Xander lol what happened at the last beta?
 
@Nick probably lack of committers
 
@DavidFreitag no, there was a Firearms beta (so there were enough committers). It was closed due to lack of traffic.
@Xander I don't see why not. It closed due to lack of traffic, not due to lack of a coherent purpose.
 
So I just received a reply from an incident report to my hosting company ... in french -.-
 
@Gilles I meant lack of people who fulfilled their commitment to the site. Like what happened to Embedded.SE.
 
10:57 PM
@Nick OVH? Having seen their English, I'd prefer French... but I do speak French
@DavidFreitag Embedded closed in private beta due to lack of traffic, not due to lack of people
 
@Gilles yea OVH ... and yes their english is worse :p i.imgur.com/Z3vvXnp.png
 
@Nick Google goggles should be able to translate it just by snapping a picture
 
@DavidFreitag I know a bit of french ... at least what I remember from my school days :p
 
@DavidFreitag can it cope with the misspellings?
 
@Gilles Yeah, but why would it have substantially more traffic this time around?
 
11:00 PM
@Gilles uhhhh... probably not. But it will convert it to editable text so you dont have to. Corrections may only be a google search away
 
“the problem is related to this task work” with correct spelling
“the problem encountered is related to the work spot” with the spelling in the email
tache = spot, tâche = task makes sense (that's what the words mean)
 
Am I the only one bothered from the actual english speaking staff email... seriously the short sentences and the lack of 'The' bothered me more than the french
 
I wonder why misspelling problème as probleme makes the word encountered appear
@Nick the French misspellings bother me more
 

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