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12:00 AM

@Gilles oh that's a given, and they better start early ... the sequester kicks back in with FY2016

12:40 AM

OK so (s)he's now really making it a popularity contest. Got two upvotes in the last half an hour on a post that's not an answer, that had net negative score before, on a question that didn't get any other activity today. And the other two answers' scores didn't change in the meantime, and all of a sudden his/her comments have upvotes too.

@Noordung You win some, you lose some. Let it go, and let the community decide, or mod up and delete the answer if you really think it's not helpful.

OP doesn't suggest anywhere in the question that we forward-contaminate other celestials, or indeed that we do that on any that it could possibly matter. E.g. we've inadvertently already done that on the Moon during the Apollo missions. Neither does OP suggest any mode of preserving the genetic makeup of life on Earth. It's entirely possible to construct such a Noah's ark that would sterilize any samples if breach of a sealed environment is detected. It is also possible to send it to such a place where this would happen naturally with exposure to the environment. — Noordung ♦ 22 mins ago

you be the judge

@Noordung he probably advertised his answer in a chatroom, just like you did here

to be fair I think his post is an answer, but it's completely redundant with the accepted answer which was posted earlier and is better worded

@Noordung I agree that it's a crappy, off-topic answer. I'm just sayin' that arguing about it in the comments isn't going to fix it, and obsessing over it is only going to give you heartburn. So, either it's worthy of outright deletion, or forget about it and let it rest for a bit, so other community members can weigh in on it.

at this point I'd let another mod handle it

12:47 AM

I'm actually thinking (since long) of giving up my modship

it's mostly pencil pushers contemplating space exploration anyway

1:10 AM

@Gilles That wouldn't be a bad idea if they were ever around. That post had a "not an answer" flag for half a day now and there were only three flags to clear today (one still stays, it's another one of my flags so other mods have a look at it). In reality, I do about 80% of mod work on the site since the start, about 95% of it for the past year, and I'm the only one actually creating activities and posting detailed answers in meta.

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2:12 AM

@Noordung I always thought that dude sounded like a total idiot.

2:25 AM

@Simon Idiotism isn't really an uncommon dysfunction on Stack Exchange tho ;)

@Noordung True! /cc: @Simon

wait wat

6 hours later…

8:10 AM

Mornin'

Good morning ^^

@RоryMcCune About yesterday I know that Stefan & MZeinstra are individuals because I know them in real life :P

@Gerwin morning. Do they normally behave like that?

@RоryMcCune morning squire

8:25 AM

yes they do

Good morningg :)

@Noordung wow - just read down the comments. Same as @David - I have seen the same behaviour from them before. Don't worry about it too much

9:02 AM

Morning all

Hi

@ColinCassidy Watcha' Coliin

@RоryMcCune hows things?

@ColinCassidy not so bad, on my last test of the year hopefully, then off for Chistmas/New year

@ColinCassidy hows about you?

@RоryMcCune yeah, just finishing up from last week and then that's me, just in time foe Xmas

9:05 AM

@ColinCassidy nice

@ColinCassidy Hi Colin

@RoryAlsop Morning, slower-typing Rory :)

@ColinCassidy well, am on a call :-)

if you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends

@kalina zig a zig

9:10 AM

ah

if you want my future forget my past

if you wanna get with me, better make it fast

now don't go wastin', my precious time

if you really bug me then I'll say goodbye

@kalina it was the getting with all her friends...

@kalina you realise you're dating yourself here, that came out 18 years ago :op

-.-

when everyone knows you just have 1 favourite

you're right, what a mash up of verses

@RоryMcCune hardly dating, everybody knows of the spice girls

9:13 AM

@kalina sure but how many people these days know that much of the lyrics of their songs...

@RоryMcCune dating myself would be saying something like "you totally forget I was part of the target audience"

@kalina you were, weren't you

spice girls broke up in like 2000

that's a large age range that could be considered "target audience"

@kalina what - they broke up?

I think so

9:15 AM

@kalina see now you've ruined @RoryAlsop 's morning

mmmmmm - when I married my wife she was the spitting image of Baby Spice

not that that was the reason

:-)

they were getting back together but victoria beckham actually succeeded in life so doesn't want to associate herself with such riff raff

@kalina heh

she's pointy spice, right?

posh spice

pointy spice?

they all did their fair share of pointing

sporty spice did that solo career thing for a bit

baby spice is a daytime radio dj

scary spice still exists, I think, I seem to remember something about being a judge on whichever pop idol rip off is the popular one atm

who was the other one?

:P

@kalina old spice

9:18 AM

ginger spice, the one that did stuff that I didn't really pay attention to

@kalina is she? Oooh - I may need to listen to the radio

seemed to be the attention whore of the group

@kalina what - like naughty pictures

yes

which is a bit of a statement, considering the group

@kalina lol

9:21 AM

breaching your own security is so unbelievably easy when you're doing nothing but trying to have a friendly conversation

@kalina sounds like topic #2

:-)

@kalina what you're thinking your extensive knowledge of Spice girls is another crack in your OpSec shell?

@RоryMcCune no

so I'm going to go with wikipedia stalking

a

wikipedia is like TV tropes anyway

you go on there and end up travelling from types of cake to the rise of nazi germany

9:27 AM

right today on Rory Radio I'm having a Manchester scene day, suggestions please :)

right, I'm going to coffee up and consume herbal remedies and when I return it will be like I've just woken up

if waking up automatically got me high

and filled me with coffee

@RоryMcCune ooh - I never really knew much of the Manchester stuff

Inspirals

maybe

@RoryAlsop good call I shall queue that up after the Happy Mondays

morning @TerryChia

or whatever time of day it is over there

you say Manchester and the only things that come to mind are Hacienda and Oasis

oh and Stone Roses

@RоryMcCune 5.30PM.

9:32 AM

and Manchester United

@kalina stone roses good call

and Moss Side (don't know why)

that's the extent of my manchester knowledge

James

@RоryMcCune I only know one of their tracks

and only then because it used to be the backing music on one of the Sky Sports channels and I've been exposed to a lot of that in my lifetime

@kalina fools gold?

9:33 AM

yeah

I actually knew it as the soundtrack to sky sports long before I realised it was an actual track made by people for general consumption

EMF - Unbelievable (Andrew Dice Clay mix)

@kalina amazing bass track

possibly NSFW

@RoryAlsop oh nice, I have one of their albums from back in the day..

play.spotify.com/track/2mv6GY70UsHiTCGQZ4JfgC

prideofmanchester.com/music/1980s.htm

can't think of any more

9:39 AM

@RoryAlsop that should be me sorted for the morning anyway :)

@Gilles hey, we agreed on something!

9:55 AM

lol - accidentally got me a new hat

breaking bad works well with this avatar

I think

@RoryAlsop nice!

hey - we're ahead of the Arqade on the Winterbash leaderboard, but behind SciFi

NOOOO. Coffee/hot chocolate machine is broken. ANd I am super tired for some reason today. This is the worst combination.

@RoryAlsop lol

that's pretty impressive

I guess arqade really cba with hats this year

@kalina That was kind of my assumption as well

10:09 AM

I've been #1 on arqade since it started, I think, haven't had a new hat in 2 days

@kalina and you're 18th equal network-wide

at some point I'll get some more hats on here

@RoryAlsop I'm missing some really obvious ones as well

like posting an answer on a post that has a bounty

and post from the app

and log in from iOS

whether or not I'd be willing to charge up my old iPhone just for a hat is another question

@kalina I'm having trouble getting SE app on my work ipad

then I'll have that one

I should probably get selfie as well

and then the rest all seem to be "turn up on day X and do Y"

@kalina yarr

have you got the pizza hat

10:27 AM

no

I don't use any site that would result in 5 answers within 30 minutes

the only way I'd be able to achieve that is to break the rules, so I won't be getting that hat

10:38 AM

@kalina My last year's 'joke' question (that was really for a hat) is still my highest voted of all time :-(

meh

hats aren't worth it :P

@RoryAlsop I'm really just more than appreciative of being able to wake up without an alarm, a list of things I have to get done, travel plans and people phoning me to check in

@kalina Says the lady who came back just to play hatty

@kalina true that

I had started to forget what waking up with nothing to do felt like

Why do you have nothing to do, if I may ask so?

you already asked, no point if asking if you can ask

10:45 AM

@kalina I don't like it, really. I like to be able to wake up and decide which of the things I should do will get done today

@RoryAlsop ah but, I didn't get to decide the order of completion for the things on my list of things to do in most instances

that's true, well I guess it would be better to say: 'Why do you have nothing to do, if you don't mind me asking?'

it was more like "you need to do all of these things, and here is the date of required completion for each thing, I have ordered the list in order of deadlines... go!"

@kalina ahhh, I do miss having a PA

@Gerwin it's a holiday, I have most of December off with the exception of a few nights

based on the fact that because of my profession, I'm more than able to earn several months worth of income based on 3-4 nights of work this month

10:48 AM

ah that's nice ^^ holiday is fun, you could game?

impressive

I could game but I am trying to limit the return of my bad habits

I've already slipped deep into a Stack Exchange resurgence

don't really want to get hooked on WoW or some crack

would be a bad start to next year

Gaming isn't that bad aslong as you don't do it all the time

@Gerwin I like immersive story driven games (like Mass Effect, Dragon Age) or massively multiplayer games (WoW, EVE, GW2, etc)

there is no such thing as a "quick game" with that taste

so it's better to make it into "no gaming"

there is an exception, I have games on my tablet

@kalina On mobile devices I only have 2 games - 2048 (because I can play anywhere from 5 seconds to 10 minutes of it) and Ingress, because it's Ingress

but I barely classify Candy Crush as a game

10:51 AM

@kalina correct

:-)

in fact, I haven't found a tablet "game" that I would really call anything more than a minor distration

kinda like how I wouldn't say "GUYS I'M PLAYING GAMES ON MY PC... IT'S CALLED FREECELL"

because I barely classify it as a "game" in the sense of what I find fun

guys I'm playing Stack Exchange

@kalina very immersive

@RoryAlsop if you peel away all of the layers

there is story (well, drama, at least)

it is massively multiplayer

there are level rewards

SE provides all of the base functionality that you get out of an MMO

10:53 AM

(who's the end of level boss, though...)

if you remove the story component

Shog is obviously the end boss

site mods are the level bosses

I like story driven games aswell, or games such as WoW ^^

furthermore, from what I can tell, there hasn't really been a game other than WatchDogs released this year that would even appeal to me

and I played watchdogs

I owe watchdogs a lot

@kalina I haven't played more than a few seconds of Destiny yet, but watching my son play it I do think it looks good

it motivated me to stop giving games a chance to be good because of how shit it was

11:02 AM

@kalina What is your proffesion, if you don't mind me asking?

@Gerwin why would folks new into a chat room ask these sorts of questions? That's you today, and the other two yesterday

It seems exceedingly odd to me

i'm just interested

im not a trolling like those two, just genuinly interested

@Gerwin way beyond your friendship level

trying to show interest because, i feel like i would seem like a bit of an ass if I were to not do so ;p

fair enough

I don't troll, if someone says they won't answer it I simply respect that and don't talk about it ^^

I think we demonstrated what trolling in here results in

first of all, you get trolled back

and then, when we're bored of you, you get disposed of

11:06 AM

I don't even want to be a troll lol, I dislike them and neither do I think it's fun

a minute ago they were your friends

now you dislike them!

@Gerwin Best plan - especially in here - is to assume that while some folks are very open about what they do (my profile says it all about me) others are interested n security for other reasons - some very much like their privacy, some may be malicious

no i dislike the idea of trolls

And some just like the fact they don't have as many annoying folks in this chat room as in some others

@RoryAlsop that's why I would accept any answer

11:07 AM

I love the idea of messing with people for fun but there are lines that shouldn't be crossed that somebody meeting the general definition of a troll usually just ignore

So if folks want to vouchsafe information, that is grand, but I wouldn't go chasing info from people in any room where I was a newbie

humour, in general, is at the expense of somebody else

oooOOooo flags

@kalina crap flag

I clicked invalidate

why?

@kalina the line flagged wasn't offensive

11:09 AM

I suppose after yesterday I should not just validate all the flags

@kalina lol

in all honesty, I don't know how I got flagged that many times without getting banned

usually just being me is enough for people to validate

@kalina your sunny disposition? ;-P

Stefan was the one who flagged you

only you guys know about that

ssssh! :P

11:10 AM

atleast that's what he said

everybody else thinks I'm a whiny super bitch

@Gerwin yes - we know

NOT A SINGLE COMMENT WAS MADE

than I assume you also know that he's been banned until 2016? ~415 days

wooooooooooooooooo

11:11 AM

haha

5 mins ago, by kalina

and then, when we're bored of you, you get disposed of

yup :P

@Gerwin He wound up a lot of people. It wasn't even a mod from this site who banned him - it's often best to get someone independent to look at that sort of thing

Trolling is just really unwelcome

ofcourse, it is in any community ^^ brb

well - everywhere really, but we take care of our little space

11:19 AM

today for shits and giggles I am going to prepare a "Festive" playlist

Trolling is such a troll

by doing quick and dirty remixes of a bunch of holiday tracks

like Mariah Carey - All I want for Christmas

good luck @Kalina sounds fun ^^ ;P

Does anyone know how to open the last opened folder automatically in Windows Explorer?

@MZeinstra don't close it

11:26 AM

Lol

Another solution?

create an application that tracks where you browse with explorer, and then make it so that when you run that application with a specific command line parameter it launches explorer.exe with that path, then create a shortcut to that new application with said command line parameter in place

Hmmm, sounds like a lot of work..

@kalina oh, you're good

@MZeinstra then pin all of the folders you use frequently to the jump list and use that as a manual workaround

@RoryAlsop <3

kalina's guide to customer interactions:

- no we can't do that

- ok, we could do that by using this overly complex solution

- fine, here is a workaround

the customer doesn't like that you said no, doesn't understand nor is willing to pay for the complex solution and is grateful that you went the extra mile to provide a workaround

3

that's absolutely genius xD

11:32 AM

in the event anybody annoys you, just continually increase the complexity of how you interact with them until they cease understanding what you're saying

and then call them a $%#!

note: the above results in very angry people who feel like they've been backed into a corner, belittled, publicly humiliated, and you just called them a $%#!

@kalina more genius, then

@RoryAlsop sure because if you execute step one correctly, you did it without any insults, so everybody else just sees you having a conversation with somebody who is getting angry

I support that idea, it would annoy them back, because they're unable to comprehend what you're saying and they would in turn start to feel like a moron, and as a final 'haha, I got you back' kinda thing you swear at them

I guess the swearing isn't really needed, but I guess if the other person is getting more and more annoyed... why not ;P

seriously, is it Open Troll Day on Sec.se today?

the questions are getting worse.

@AviD are you referring to chat or the site?

right

11:36 AM

site

the obvious solution is to get me up to mod tools

now that I have some answers, there's nothing stopping you from bountying me all of your rep

first page, over half are closed. Half of what are left are borderline closeworthy, and most of the others are just 101-style #IHaveNoFrikkinClue.

I would say less than 10% of the first page are q's worthy of reading, let alone an answer.

@Kalina wow you have a ton of rep ;o, isn't 10k-rep mod-powers?

well, unless you're looking for a snark-outlet.

seriously, who lets these people work in this field??

@AviD the people employing security professionals

11:39 AM

I am actually personally offended by this situation.

I feel sorry for the security field

you're in such a hard place

@kalina yeah. though its not just the security field, its the programmers too

brogrammers

most of the world think that IT people are security people, so you end up losing your jobs to active directory monkies

I think imma call everyone that by default, until proven otherwise

and a large majority of the world doesn't care about anything you have to say until after the incident

and even then most of the time they'll ask a celebrity rather than somebody who actually knows

11:41 AM

@kalina well, some celebrities DO know.

better than the monkies, thats for sure

cue @TaylorSwift.

@AviD maybe, maybe not, but let's be fair, this problem affects everything

let's go ask oprah what she thinks about the war in Iraq

because she's been there and has a clue

hahaha, funnily enough my daughter just put on a taylor swift song upstairs.

I have made a promise to myself

the first time I'm asked for my opinion in an "official"/"public" capacity for something I'm not fully knowledgeable in, I'm just going to respond "why are you asking me? I'm just a <myprofession>!"

@kalina good for you

@AviD unless that topic of conversation is "why is AviD such a noob"

but then I feel I am fully knowledgeable in that

11:44 AM

curious if that will be ignored as not newsworthy, or kardashianed.

@AviD see my tweet :-)

@kalina yes, yes you are.

@AviD probably ignored

@RoryAlsop ha!! good for you!!

either that or it will escalate into "<me> attacks news reporter"

11:44 AM

been thinking of that, and s/he has actually linked to q's. but yeah.

@AviD has she? Oh, cool

I am currently embroiled in an internal struggle

btw, speaking of which - do we have any way to control the sec.se twitter bot? it's been twerting some crap q's

not currently currently, but like over the last 2-3 months

on whether or not to start doing like a weekly youtube video

-3

Q: Is SSL more secure than encoding?

I am writing a client / server program pair. I have established my own protocol and am communicating with TCP. Presently, when the client messages the server, it adds 42 to each byte (looping, 127 + 1 = -128) and reverse the byte array to send. The server side subtracts 42 from each byte and reve...

WTF?

11:47 AM

11 mins ago, by AviD

seriously, is it Open Troll Day on Sec.se today?

I'm bored

b

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r

e

d

clean up some tags

you know what, I might do that

but you know what

I don't want to

play a game on your tablet?

it's more a case of having to deal with them being approved that actually doing them

more than happy to do some editing for you, it results in hats

11:51 AM

@kalina Go create @KalinaOnSecurity?

do I look like I know enough to pretend to be a security expert?

I suppose a picture of me would make that make a bit more sense

no you can't have one

@kalina You know more than @Simon so yes.

I know nothing about infosec.

Absolutely zero

Sometimes I have to ask my neighbour to show me how to turn my PC on

which is why I never turn it off

@kalina Neither do most consultants.

11:54 AM

I have never installed Gentoo from stage 1

and I certainly don't know anything about databases or application development

but I did write an MP3 player in mIRC script that was compatible with Winamp skins back before my age was measured in teens

so go figure

I'm hungry

it must be time to eat

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