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1:31 PM
Hey hey !! I can talk again!
Hi there!
Best wishes!
 
@Mvy Howdy!
 
hey @Neal
Had nice hollidays?
 
Morning Gentlemen.
 
hey @Scott
 
Indeed! I love the relaxed time between xmas and new years :)
 
1:37 PM
@nealmcb Me too. I can't tell you how much work I got done. Nobody around to cause mischief.
 
 
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3:44 PM
Howdy.
 
@sysadmin1138 How do
 
@sysadmin1138 Howdy!
 
@sysadmin1138 nice bit 'o blogging
 
Someone mind nuking this, please?
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Q: locating a cellphone number?

Someone Like YouI live in Lebanon, not USA I've recently asked this question. somehow I managed to know the cellphone number of the thief:) so i wounder if i can get a location? I know that civilians are probably not allowed to do so, that's why i came to here for help, you know everything about these things. ...

 
@JeffFerland Thanks! I try.
 
3:57 PM
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Q: Should we modify the FAQ to include policy subversion as explicitly Off Topic?

HolocrypticBased on some of the comments here I went and looked at the FAQ again. We've always, as far as I can remember, closed policy subversion questions as Off Topic. The question that brought this up is this one and it apparently got people interested in it because it's about trying to gain access to...

(Note that meta question is on SF, but notes that it is tied to the recent question that was migrated here....)
 
@nealmcb Historically we've always closed such questions as Off-Topic over there.
 
@ScottPack Right - it probably makes sense to close them there, but not here
 
I've been trying to figure out/remember some of the major classes of web-app security faults. SQL-injection, cross-site scripting, and simple 'input validation' are the ones I remember. What are the others?
 
@nealmcb I think it's more important over here.
 
Also, could a mod clean up the comments here? Looks like a lot of them are SF-specific and do not necessarily reflect the views of our community. By the way, is that close vote from here, or did it get carried over?
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Q: alternative for ssh

Moein7tlUnfortunately our government filters the SSH protocol so now we can't connect to our Linux server from Iran. They do the filtering by checking the header of each packet in the network layer (and not by just closing port). They also do with with VPN protocols. Is there any alternative way to con...

 
4:01 PM
@Iszi It's from here.
 
@Iszi Good point on the comments - confusing given the debate there vs situation here
 
@nealmcb I mean, how can we, in good conscious, develop policies/procedures/recommendations on how to institute such systems if we also explain to circumvent the ones we don't agree with?
 
@ScottPack On the other side, some are pointing out that there are engineers in the US that are apparently actively collaborating with the countries that are torturing citizens who try to share information about human rights violations in their country. Pretty hard to define "security" so that trying to give people info on securing their own privacy and thus people's lives is off topic.
 
@nealmcb To me that makes it a politics issue, which I try very very hard to keep out of my professional life.
 
privacy vs control - a very common tension, which we shouldn't take sides over, but be willing to discuss the technical aspects of
 
4:11 PM
It also makes judging whether or not a question is topical very hard.
 
by the way, thanks for the responses - I agree that this is a tough one, and finding the brightest line we can will help as this sort of thing continues to escalate
 
On technical merits, they are asking how to bypass ingress/egress filters.
In this case it's about bypassing restrictions that a country, who is commonly held in rather low regard, has implemented.
In another case it's bypassing a corporate firewall.
I remember having this conversation with a professor who was trying to get a projected funded about 5-odd years ago.
He wanted the funding, so he made up some shit about "responding to terrorist attacks" so that it stood a better chance.
 
@ScottPack Which could be otherwise placed in a pentesting perspective - which, I believe, we've generally accepted as on-topic here.
 
Either way, (going back to the question in question) it's about performing an unauthorized subversion of otherwise legitimate policies. Whether we agree with them is the real question.
@Iszi Right, and pentesting is an * authorized* attempt to bypass. Or, at least, you'll find plenty of examples on the site where the person writing the answer says, "You had better do this, or else it's illegal and your own damn fault if something bad happens."
 
@ScottPack But from the other perspective, humans are authorized by the UN to seek to preserve various human rights, and those are being violated, and we're trying to help someone preserve access and privacy, both of which are technical security issues
We don't get to pick who gets to set policy. but we can help people achieve security goals
 
4:18 PM
@sysadmin1138 check owasp top 10.
 
Is steganography an ok topic? Even though it is often used to subvert someone's policy?
 
@nealmcb That assumes that the UN has authority in the matter. Think back to the US Civil War.
The US government passed a law freeing all slaves, specifically targeting the Confederacy. In their opinion secession was illegal, and therefore they were still bound by US federal law.
The Confederacy, however, felt as though they were a free country and ignored the law since the USA did not have authority to do such a thing.
Does the UN have authority to make such proclamations regarding Iranian policies? From a legal perspective, I don't know, though if I could venture a guess it would likely comes down pretty strongly to an opinion.
 
@JeffFerland Nice list, thanks.
 
@sysadmin1138 The Top 10 is nice, gets updated frequently enough. Though it feels like more and more of the items are just specific examples of input validation.
 
4:54 PM
@ScottPack I agree that policies can conflict, and we don't want to debate the policies or politics. Here is my attempt to clarify that point.
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Q: Conflicting policies, and discussing technical issues involving privacy vs control

nealmcbSometimes policy goals of different entities are in conflict. For example a question can sometimes be viewed as an attempt to learn how to defeat a security control, or be viewed as a way to achieve other security goals like confidentiality and availability. For example consider a country that ...

 
@nealmcb That's kind of my point too. :)
 
5:33 PM
@nealmcb I have updated the question, and added an answer to your meta question - do you think I got the right flavour?
(Sorry - was away off grid with a client most of the day)
Oh and congrats for hitting your 3k @TomLeek and @ScottPack
 
@RoryAlsop Cheers
 
@ScottPack does it give you any more goodies?
ah yes - I see it does:
3000 Vote to close, reopen, or migrate any questions
5000 Vote to approve or reject suggested tag wiki edits
10000 Vote to delete closed questions, access to moderation tools
15000 Protect questions so only registered users with 10 rep on this site can answer
20000 Vote to delete negatively voted answers and stronger question deletion votes
 
@RoryAlsop Vote to Close. The only goodie until after 10k.
 
I'm creeping up on 4k now, it seems. Not that that's really worth anything.
 
Creep is definitely the right word. ... :)
 
5:49 PM
Heads-up: I'm about to post a question over on SU that might get proposed for migration to here, but I believe definitely belongs over there.
 
@Iszi Ah hah - is that a cunning tactic? Post on a high volume site, get loads of upvotes then get it migrated here for the 5k win? :-)
 
Heh, I wished it worked that way sometimes. I'd be a lot more rep-ful on SU than I am.
 
Yeah, rep does not get transferred. What I wish, however, is that there was a way to see where missing rep went.
 
@RoryAlsop No, just a warning to reject the migration.
 
@Iszi There is no rejection.
All you can do is have a mod send it back.
 
6:12 PM
Here we go...
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Q: How do I configure my WRT400N to resist the WPS brute-force vulnerability?

IsziUS-CERT recently released Vulnerability Note VU#723755. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/723755 In short, this describes how modern wireless routers can have their PSKs discovered within just a matter of hours - even if they're using WPA2 with a strong PSK. The exploit is done by abusing a desig...

 
@ScottPack On SF, I noticed I had less rep go missing when I stopped answering questions destined for migration to SU.
 
@sysadmin1138 We get a pop-up whenever a question gets migrated, jes?
 
@ScottPack Question yes I think. Answers, no.
 
I've always thought that rep lose was pretty shitty.
Either let me keep the rep on the original site, or transfer the rep to the new site. Don't try it both ways.
 
@sysadmin1138 Answers can be migrated?
 
6:21 PM
@Iszi .... ?
 
@Iszi ...with the question they're attached to.
 
@RoryAlsop @ScottPack asked if we get pop-ups on question migrations. @sysadmin1138 said we do for questions, not for answers. This implies answers can be migrated.
 
@Iszi I was just impressed that you spotted the inconsistency and my ? was to show how I had no answer :-)
 
@sysadmin1138 Oh. Not sure why the distinction in your statement, then. I figured answers coming along with questions was presumed, and therefore a pop-up for the answers would be redundant.
@RoryAlsop Oh. Thanks.
 
6:51 PM
In other news, I've really got to get me a Wi-Fi adapter that supports packet injection so I can test some of these exploits at home.
 
7:12 PM
@RoryAlsop Great response and edit - thanks.
 
 
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8:26 PM
Hello gents
 
Howdy, big bear.
 
How do
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/8728856/… - do we want this one over here? Not sure if it's a dupe...
 
8:50 PM
or this one:
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Q: PHP Form Input Filtering

JaredI am a PHP newbie and am working on a basic form validation script. I understand that input filtering and output escaping are both vital for security reasons. My question is whether or not the code I have written below is adequately secure? A few clarifying notes first. I understand there is a ...

@ThomasPornin evenin'
@nealmcb No worries - I think you hit the nail on the head, so I just expanded on it.
 
9:08 PM
You ever have a moment where you think you know your password, but your fingers know better?
I had one character wrong in my head, and my hands wouldn't let me punch it in that way.
 
I do have a couple of passwords I don't actually know, but I get right as long as I don't think
 
What's sad is that the password in question is my domain password. You'd think I wouldn't have to think about it, but for some reason I did at that moment.
 
9:23 PM
@Iszi YES. At oldjob the datacenter door had a keypad. I was in and out of that thing daily. Then one day, after months of walking through that door without thinking, my fingers forgot the code.
 
@sysadmin1138 My case is sort-of the opposite, but yeah. I've been there, too.
Is there a way to do strike-through in Markdown on SE sites?
 
@Iszi Not that I've found. You have to use the HTML for it.
 
@sysadmin1138 Remind me the HTML?
 
@Iszi I should mention that my brain had forgotten the code months ago, my muscle memory was the only thing I had left.
@Iszi 'strike'
 
@sysadmin1138 Thanks. I knew you'd get it before I could Google it.
 
9:26 PM
And on google-chat, -this is struck-.
But not here.
 
9:37 PM
Wow. Kevin Mitnick's business cards cost at least $280 for the first 100.
 
Geez, someone deleted my totally off-topic and vaguely culturally offensive comment
 
@Iszi hahaha - you went and priced them up :-)
 
what is that, a forum with active moderators ?
God helps us all !
 
@ThomasPornin which one?
link please :-)
 
@RoryAlsop It was on this answer:
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A: Feeding /dev/random entropy pool?

Thomas PorninYou should use /dev/urandom, not /dev/random. The two differences between /dev/random and /dev/urandom are (I am talking about Linux here): /dev/random might be theoretically better in the context of an information-theoretically secure algorithm. This is the kind of algorithm which is secure ag...

 
Somebody was complaining that I invoked the Lord's name in vain, and I replied that He is probably not petty enough to be actually offended.
Both comments have now disappeared.
 
Oh that was me - I thought if I just removed those two comments it would probably all work out alright in the end.
 
So maybe He was offended ?
 
:-)
@ThomasPornin nah - I'm probably not even his side of the line
 
Y'know, I kind of wonder why Kevin Mitnick's business cards always have the address obscured in pictures. It's public record, per his Amateur Radio license.
 
9:46 PM
@RoryAlsop Not believing in God is not a problem; real trouble begins when God ceases to believe in you.
 
@ThomasPornin I thought it was 'takes an interest in you'
at that point you are in real trouble
 
@Iszi wonder if they are worried about misuse of personal info
 
@RoryAlsop If he was, he'd use a P.O. box for his FCC licenses.
Or another address he doesn't much care about. Which perhaps this is.
 
nah - I meant the folks who host the pics
or maybe he just can't resist making it difficult for social engineer kiddies
 
9:51 PM
Funny... as we're talking about his lockpick business cards, he posts this...
My Get Out of Jail free card LOL http://tinyurl.com/7cqq8er
 
Wow, he's put on some weight.
Must suck to be old.
 
@ScottPack shut it, youngster:-)
 
:)
If New Years taught me anything, it's that I'm, without question, no longer in my 20s.
 
@ScottPack heh
 
I think I'm still trying to recover from staying up too late those nights.
 
9:53 PM
@ScottPack Really? I could have sworn you're younger than me.
 
it's all downhill from here. at least until retirement - my in-laws seem to be able to party non-stop
 
@Iszi Let's just say fairly early 30s.
Now wait a tick
That's not a handcuff lockpick set
That's a fucking handcuff KEY!
 
@ScottPack slightly cheating methinks
 
Tad
 
@ScottPack Still, you've got a couple years on me.
I'll be hitting my next decade this year.
 
9:57 PM
@Iszi Yup. Kiddo.
 
@Iszi I have ages till my next decade. 9 1/2 years!
 
@RoryAlsop Pretty much the same here. By my maths we have about a year overlap.
Shazaam! Almost exactly a year. Less than a week off
 

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