The DMZ

Scott Pack

12:05 AM

Yeah, we gave 4e a good shot, but 3.5 was more fun for our group

makerofthings7

I'm thinking about deleting my own question... what do you think? security.stackexchange.com/q/8974/396

It may be too developer oriented for this site... and just not possible...

Scott Pack

Maybe, though I don't feel qualified to give an opinion

this.josh

12:43 AM

Woohoo layoffs!

makerofthings7

@this.josh where?

this.josh

over there

My company but not my site.

makerofthings7

I'm happy you're OK

this.josh

Thanks :)

What's a better response to 'Why are you looking for a job?': I'm afraid I may get laid off, or the management is killing the company?

Iszi

5:53 AM

@thisjosh Disparaging a current or former employer to a potential new one is never good form. But, at the same time, one does wonder what is implied if you think you're on the chopping block.

I'm sure there's an "Option C" somewhere in there. The trick lies in finding it.

this.josh

Heh I was joking. But thanks for the good advice.

Well, not joking, I know better, just frustrated with the industry. Executives cutting good R&D to improve the operational overhead rate for a fractional point of stock growth

Its products that grow value not rigging the financial numbers for a quarter.

And generally the right responce is "My company is going through some changes and I'm not sure about the company's future, so I'm exploring what other opportunies are out there."

At least it seems to preempt additional questions.

Iszi

6:59 AM

@thisjosh Yeah, that's the "Option C" I was trying to think of.

this.josh

You aren't saying anything necessarily bad about you or the company.

Only 3 years to launch, I may not make it...

Iszi

7:15 AM

@thisjosh Launch?

@RoryAlsop @HendrikBrummermann @AviD (And all other interested parties.) Mind having a look at this guy? Brand-new user here, it seems, and the questions I've seen so far look like good candidates for closure as NaRQ.

Kars

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Q: Is it really possible to hack a email account?

Is it really possible to find password of a Gmail/Yahoo/other account from client side? Please do not respond with phishing, key loggers, social engineering, dictionary attack or eavesdropping for non SSL connections. Is it possible to perform SQL injection or is there any other ways to hack them?

passwords

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Q: What are the different ways to hack

What are the various methods used to hack internet accounts. Phishing Key Loggers Social Engineering Eavesdropping Dictionary attack SQL injection Apart from above what all other methods to hack passwords?

passwords

this.josh

Didn't you see my comment?

Iszi

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Q: How to perform eavesdropping

How eavesdropping is performed? Can I perform eavesdropping by sitting on client side? Can eavesdropping be done in both wired and wireless transmission too?

ssl

@thisjosh On which?

this.josh

Choice A is it possible to hack a e-mail account

I'm working on a bird scheduled for 2014, it would be nice to see it go.

Iszi

@thisjosh Where's it supposed to launch, if you don't mind my asking?

@thisjosh Ah, yeah. We should Google the proper incantation for him.

this.josh

I don't know where.

Iszi

7:24 AM

Commercial project, then?

this.josh

Decidely not.

GPS III

Iszi

Well, if it turns out it's going up from KSC/CCAFS and you get a chance to watch it, let me know.

Could meet up for a drink after somewhere, or something.

this.josh

I don't think it will go there

Iszi

Not U.S.-based?

this.josh

I would guess CONUS

Iszi

7:30 AM

You sure it won't go from CCAFS? Wiki says all the GPS satellite launches since 1989 have. Before then, they were using VAFB though.

That reminds me, we've got that new Mars rover launching later this month...

this.josh

It might. Never know.

Iszi

Wow, on Black Friday no less...

this.josh

Heh, well it would have been better to launch right the first time

Iszi

@thisjosh ??? Talking about the GPS or MSL? Far as I know, this is our first shot at the MSL.

this.josh

Oh the Phobos-Grunt, does NASA have something else going in the same window?

Iszi

7:36 AM

This is what's going up on Black Friday...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Science_Laboratory

this.josh

Maybe the can borrow some fuel, 7.5 metric tons of fuel in the Phobos-Grunt

Iszi

@thisjosh I must be missing your reference. A previous Mars launch I'm forgetting?

this.josh

The Russians, failted to achieve transfer orbit, made LEO but then nothing, it would be Russia's 7th failure for a Mars mission, its currently in LEO will sustain for a few weeks

Fobos-Grunt

Fobos-Grunt (, literally "Phobos-Soil") is a sample return mission to Phobos, one of the moons of Mars. Launched on 8 November, 2011, it is in low Earth orbit awaiting resolution of a technical difficulty that has prevented it from leaving Earth orbit. Lift-off occurred successfully at 20:16 GMT on 8 November 2011 from Baikonur Cosmodrome, but the spacecraft failed to depart Earth orbit shortly afterwards. If it can be rescued, the spacecraft is scheduled to reach Mars' orbit in September 2012 and land on Phobos in February 2013. The return vehicle, carrying up to 200 g of soil fro...

Iszi

@thisjosh Ah, hadn't heard of that one. I barely hear of the ones going up in my backyard sometimes.

Anyway, it's past time for me to turn in. And, I've got a long day ahead of me. Catch ya later.

this.josh

See ya

it will make a nice sky show soon.

night

Iszi

2:53 PM

@thisjosh BTW: I really was a bit confused initially, when you called the project "Phobos Grunt". I thought it was some derogatory nickname for it or something. Wouldn't have guessed it was the actual name.

Pretty bold mission there, to go to Marks and come back!

Thomas Pornin

3:20 PM

@Iszi Russian language is inherently awesome.

Jeff Ferland

3:36 PM

I'm waiting for a few things from UPS and FEDEX today. I figured that not having a doorbell and really wanting to make sure i can sign for said packages, I would leave a two-way radio taped to my door. Batteries are dead, so I thought, "maybe if I tune my receiver to their mobile data terminal frequency, i'll know when they're near!"

Scott Pack

@JeffFerland Wow...

Why not just set up a camera watching the door and have it trigger a klaxon when it detects motion?

Jeff Ferland

@ScottPack Well, if I have to buy parts, I might as well buy a doorbell

Thomas Pornin

@JeffFerland If you are cheap, just hang a hammer and an old frying pane on the door, with instructions for the UPS/FedEx guy to operate them in the intuitive manner when he is there.

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Scott Pack

3:58 PM

@JeffFerland But which would be cooler? A motion activated klaxon, or a doorbell?

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Comon!

Jeff Ferland

@ScottPack Klaxon!

Scott Pack

You're gorram right it is!

Iszi

4:15 PM

Thanks guys, I needed that.

Doorbells, Klaxons, and Frying Pans

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Scott Pack

We joke about setting up a klaxon to a sniffer and program it to fire on porn. The downside is that we would be replacing bulbs fairly frequently.

Jeff Ferland

Ugh:

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Q: Sensitive data anonymization

I have a RIS database (Oracle 10g) that need to be used on system's testing due to performance requirements. Which solutions are you using to anonymize sensitive data?

ris test-data anonymize

Can't get the concept across that hashing doesn't effectively protect data that has low entropy.

Iszi

6:33 PM

If anyone here wants to take a stab at this, please do.

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Q: Why would an iPod Touch and PS3 respond to netdiscover as 0.0.0.0?

Only slightly related to this question, because it was discovered in the same scan: Can someone explain how this happened? When running netdiscover on my home network, my iPod Touch (identified by DHCP-reserved IP address and MAC address) responded to both its own IP address on our 10.x.x.x sub...

ipod-touch backtrack arp netdiscover

this.josh

7:56 PM

@Iszi Phobos-Grunt would be amazing, but it's currently idling in the no parking zone and will soon be towed away by gravity.

Iszi

8:06 PM

@thisjosh Yeah, I caught that. Still a bold mission. Bummer that it probably won't happen this time.

this.josh

@Iszi The tragedy is the 7.5 metric tons of fuel it carries. How many rockets in the world are capable of lifting that?

Iszi

@thisjosh Well, I'm sure the Space Shuttle might have been one...

(Then again, I may think a little too highly of the Space Shuttle, having grown up with it.)

Scott Pack

The best 1970s engineering had to offer

this.josh

8:23 PM

1970's mechanical/aerospace, 1980's system control, upgraded to 1990's system control

Scott Pack

You're ruining my sarcasm. :-|

this.josh

Actually it wasn't the best, it was a pitiful compromise between NASA and the USAF for a reuseable manned and payload delivery vehicle.

@ScottPack Complaints line forms over there ->

Scott Pack

ಠ_ಠ

this.josh

Complaint noted, next!

Thomas Pornin

@thisjosh Both the venerable Saturn V, from Apollo missions, and the russian Energia, could lift 100 tons to low orbit, and could have launched toward Mars an inert rock of 7.5 tons.

They do not make rockets like that anymore, they were huuuge and quite expensive.

There are quite a few rockets which can lift 7.5 tons to low Earth orbit; even Ariane 5 can do more than twice as much.

this.josh

8:34 PM

@ThomasPornin Yes, at an aproximate cost $1.1 billion US per launch Saturn V does not seem economically feasible.

Thomas Pornin

Some of the Chinese "Long March" rockets can do that, too. The Russian "Proton" can, too.

this.josh

@ThomasPornin Yes LEO is cheap, but decaying, stable orbits are more expensive.

@ThomasPornin Yes except Proton has a tendency to be a bit touchy and go boom.

Thomas Pornin

@thisjosh Saturn V was designed to send a heavy vehicle directly to the Moon. Energia was meant to carry Buran, the russian space shuttle (it really worked ! Once.)

Iszi

The Delta IV Heavy can launch about 25 tons to LEO.

I hear it's quite the nice sight too.

this.josh

@ThomasPornin looks like Long March 5 can do 14,000 kg to GTO

Thomas Pornin

8:43 PM

@thisjosh ... except it will not launch before 2014.

So that's a "can potentially do"

this.josh

Oh right, under development

@ThomasPornin I thought it was never launched.

Thomas Pornin

@thisjosh Energia did send Buran to orbit on a single flight with no crew, and the shuttle came back on automatic pilot. This was in 1988; soon after that, the Soviet Union disintegrated, which indirectly killed the project.

Iszi

@ThomasPornin Yeah, the Soviets didn't have the balls America did then - we put real men on our first Shuttle flight.

Now... The likelihood of that happening again? Slim to none, I imagine.

Thomas Pornin

@Iszi On the other hand, the Soviets put a real man in a rocket at a time US were busy training a chimpanzee.

Iszi

@ThomasPornin Touché.

Thomas Pornin

8:52 PM

Also, having Buran land completely automatically is a quite amazing feat; the US shuttle could not do that.

Iszi

@ThomasPornin At that time, no. I've heard that more recently it could have, but nobody wanted to test it.

Thomas Pornin

Have you seen the "Space Cowboys" movie ?

Scott Pack

Lovely film.

Iszi

@ScottPack Indeed.

Scott Pack

I almost walked out of the theatre when he said, "Get out..."

Thomas Pornin

8:56 PM

It is rather symptomatic of the general trend: Americans just love stories of heroic pilots having to resort to manual piloting; whereas Russians really crave for stories of automatic engines working just as expected. We always want what we do not have.

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this.josh

@ThomasPornin Thats because the USAF wanted a pilotable vehicle.

Iszi

@ThomasPornin Ah, but everything "working just as expected" is boring.

Then again, I'm an American... so that statement is probably biased.

Gotta say, it does mildly irk me that the Russians are actually working on projects that send stuff to Mars and back, while we just chuck our rovers on over and leave them to rot.

this.josh

NASA has planned to have a Moon base by 2024.

Iszi

@thisjosh I've got some oceanfront property in Oklahoma to sell you.

Scott Pack

@thisjosh How long after until we find a strangely black retaining wall?

this.josh

9:02 PM

@Iszi It doesn't have to be manned.

Its just a fuel depot

Which is why I was thinking the 7.5 tons of fuel was lamentable

@ScottPack It's already in the basement of the Alamo.

Thomas Pornin

@Iszi The real fuel of Space programs is countries pissing off each other. US would never have sent men to the Moon if there had been no Russians. And they may send men back to the Moon because of the Chinese.

Also, there might have been no French nuclear or space program if there had been no American to piss off with it.

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this.josh

@ThomasPornin The Bikini Islands will be remembered forever.

Thomas Pornin

@thisjosh Just to be clear, the Bikini were used by Americans for their nuclear tests; French tests were first made in south Algeria (then a French colony) and moved to Mururoa in 1966.

this.josh

Oh oops, my mistake. I should have known a French designer wouldn't criticize French nukes.

Thomas Pornin

9:18 PM

@thisjosh Nuclear testing as a fashion statement ? How... French.

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this.josh

Thus began the Bikinis for Bombs exchange program.

It is quite French.

So France must still be developing technology, there are still plenty of Americans to piss off.

Thomas Pornin

@thisjosh Oh yes. The smartcard and the fast trains were really good for that. It worked on Japanese, too.