@JackDouglas 30 WPM, and ı can finally use vim again without making fireworks.

@Caleb hey, well done :)

don't you want most of the key mappings in vim to remain in the same position rather than on the same letter?

I'm trying to hold off even touching QWERTY until I can sustain 60 WPM again.

@JackDouglas That's what I expected to want but a little experimentation and it turns out I actually think of the commands as the letters that trigger them so it is easier just to stick with straight DVORAK and not screw with it. The layout even has a few distinct advantages over the normal patterns for vim, although you loose a couple too.

I won't say it hasn't been painful. It's taken a toll on both work and personal stuff, but I think it's going to be worth it. Eventually.

I hope so: I feel the same about just learning to touch type: I've almost got to the point where I use the right fingers on the right keys but I need to get over that hurdle of not looking at the keyboard at all while I type, and take the temporary speed hit. This stuff should all be taught during childhood!

@JackDouglas YES! I fear in this age of touch devices its going to be a lost art.

I was a pretty good touch typist anyway but using a layout that isn't printed on keys has revealed hov much I was still cheating sometimes, esp for symbols.

I already know the keys better now, its just a matter of building up muscle memory (whatever exactly that is).

typing ceased being taught in schools here right about the time it was becoming useful :|

@Caleb I dunno: I've got rid of my iPad since I got a good laptop. A real tactile keyboard that doesn't overlay the stuff I actually want to see on the screen is unbeatable

of course keyboards are a kind of 'touch', aren't they

@JackDouglas I have an ultrabook which I really like (11" Asus Zenbook, ironically the keyboard is my biggest complaint) but I'm actually surprised how much I reach for a tablet now that I have one (Nexus 7).

I agree that a good tactile keyboard is indispensable though. Did I tell you the Kinesis Advantage is what I moved to when I started on DVORAK? You won't get an argument from me there, but it isn't the trend I see. I people sitting for hours hacking out documents on tablets when they have a computer in reach.

@Caleb that keyboard in insane :)

@JackDouglas It's a thing of beauty. It makes using ANYTHING else seem painful.

Unfortunately that beauty doesn't come cheap.

Used a surface with the keyboard cover the other day. It made me think a) wow this is much easier than typing on my old iPad, and b) hmmm I'd rather be typing on a MacBook Air :)

I splurged for one for my home workstation. Now I have to figure out how to come up with another $300 to put one in at my church office because I've stopped wanting to go in there as often an account of having one. How messed up is that?

that would be my biggest problem: I have to be mobile

I take it it is too heavy to lug back and forth :)

@JackDouglas Quite. Also commuters on my train would probably think it was some weapons control system and call security on me.

Would anyone like to review this new question ^^^^ with a view to redeeming it somehow?

@JackDouglas I think the bigger problem will be the 'Holy Spirit' in reference to a Hebrew Bible passage, but since he is quoting someone else I don't think one could get too up in arms (the OP isn't making the leap)

Even so, reformulating this to something along the lines of, "Was Jonah's hesitation to preach to the Ninevites in [specific passage here] due to ethnocentrism?"

but even then it is probably opinion-based/philosophical speculation

From the documentation for LibreOffice regex search and replace:

DIE DIE DIE!!!

@Caleb because that... makes... sense....

@Caleb Seems logic to me... :-p

@Daи I don't think it matters who is making the leap, all the dots must be connected in the question shouldn't they?

@JackDouglas I'm all for that, in which case it doesn't show its work

Unless Jerome does that somewhere else I think we'll have to strip the quote out and just ask the straight textual question

@JackDouglas Jerome translated the entire Hebrew Bible from the Hebrew (the first Christian to do so, as others used the Septuagint prior to him), I'm sure he backed it up elsewhere, but it would be too long to post haha

I'd bet good money he doesn't :p

(but please don't waste time trying to proove me wrong!)

@JackDouglas probably true

@JackDouglas oh I won't

@Daи @NiclasNilsson Like beans it makes sense. I got to that help page specifically because I wanted to substitute a bunch of paragraph breaks for line breaks. As far as I can figure you can only go the other way.

I should probably not spam this channel. But I think some of us will fid this quite amuzing. Never read about Unix and the Nicene Creed in the same article before. beta.slashdot.org/story/196253

@JackDouglas I think not. In an answer perhaps but we're going to get questions that aren't wired up very well. Half the time that is WHY there are questions in the first place.

@Caleb this is essentially a question about a commentary not about Jonah as it stands

we can change it into a question about Jonah

if we do, are you saying there is no need to lose the commentry?

it just looks like a distraction to me

@NiclasNilsson That is hysterical!

unless some way of connecting it to the text is found

@NiclasNilsson yeah, really funny

@JackDouglas I must say I haven't read the question yet, I was only responding to chat so my opinion may me worthlessly out of context.

@Caleb please read my comment sarcastically. I agree with you that it makes no sense ;)

@JackDouglas @Caleb shoot for an eisegetical / not showing work nightmare, see the original version of this question

I linked directly to the original before I edited

@Daи Oh I got it. I just needed to vent some more. You'd think if you had the manpower to DOCUMENT a stupid stunt like that you'd also have somebody cry foul and fix it.

@Caleb haha yes

@Daи is your gravatar sublime text?

@JackDouglas it's TextMate with a similar skin applied

@JackDouglas but I did write the code in the image for the purpose of the gravatar :)

@Daи now I'm going to have to read it!

@JackDouglas you can't see enough of it to make much sense of it

there is some fun modules imported for mischievous things, then a function go_4n68() which is storing alternate headers/user-agent string

then there is a g33k_out or something like that you can't see the contents of

I wrote a simply user agent string spoofer and named the functions silly things if I remember correctly

haha'

:)

@Daи It seems to be some Python code the scrape a webpage or something :-)

@NiclasNilsson well, I would use Beautiful Soup for that :P

too small to see methinks

it's just junk code I whipped up for the profile pic

@NiclasNilsson Or to be anonymous. Catch the Tor reference?

for whatever reason

@Caleb yes, it was for spoofing user agent string and connecting to something anonymously

but I just wrote it for the image

nothing real, otherwise it would have practical names for the class and functions haha

@Daи Appropriate for hiding your face ;)

@Caleb hey I used to have my actual face and full name on here

it's still floating around in random comments (my full name, that is)

then decided against that

@Daи Oh. I was confusing mechanize for something like BeautifulSoup, haven't done this kind of stuff for a long time.

@Caleb Didn't catch it before you mentioned it ;)

@NiclasNilsson you're not far off, it does do (stateful) web browsing

but rather than scraping content, it's for interacting with the page

ok

@Daи Anyway, that can't be PEP-8. Looks like it's only two spaces indent (but I guess you can customize that in the editor) :-p

@NiclasNilsson no, it had to fit in the square screenshot :P

@Daи ;-)

@NiclasNilsson but I'm admittedly horrible at following PEP-8 conventions anyways

@NiclasNilsson but if I'm using standard frameworks like programming something in Django I do

Wha...? My wife just asked if I want to start a bonfire. It's snowing heavily, there is snow on the ground, and it's 16 degrees or so, probably colder with the wind chill.

That came out of left field

I had Emacs do checking on the fly. Then it's to annoying to break it...

@NiclasNilsson so what is your background? I know nothing about you

@Daи I'm really a pastor in a small pentecostal church in Sweden. But I like playing with computers, Fulltime linux user. Hobby programmer and so on... I can't do mentions on your strange name from my tablet, so sorry if I stopped doing that.

And I can't spell...

@NiclasNilsson Or type ;) Seems like a common topic today. Never fear, some of us can edit ;)

@NiclasNilsson haha not a problem

@NiclasNilsson what variety of Pentecostalism, if I may ask? Independent, or a specific denomination or organization?

You?

It's independent. I believe we are most close to Assemblies of God, bit as I said, independent

@NiclasNilsson ok, I ask because I was formerly in ministry with the AG

I think I might havet misunderstood you. Our church is part of the Swedish pentecostal movement. Bit this movement is independent

@NiclasNilsson I am an Eastern Orthodox Christian - who is open-minded

Oh. Nice. And nos?

Now

ahh yes, Lewi Pethrus

@NiclasNilsson I presume you missed my above answer or no?

I did, and I thought you might known about Lewi Pethrus. Now I finally changed the android keyboard/spell checker to an English one

Well. I should try to catch some sleep. Nice to speak to you.

Would love to hear how your journey went to eastern orthodox Christianity. But I guess we take that another time. Good night

@NiclasNilsson no problem, good talking to you, have a good night!

It's been a fun week on BH.SE (1. I've been off work so I've had more time to focus on answering, and 2. I focused more on creating good content than DVing/moderating bad content)