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12:58 AM
I have never done an RF PCB design , any reliable online designers ? any guidelines ?
 
 
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8:56 AM
@Aakusti Depending on what you call "RF" there's anything between a dozen and thousands of guidelines
 
I got failed in Digital electronics 5 times while completing my Btech in Computer science, so dont mind if i ask something stupid
and in electrical as well
 
9:11 AM
Well the range is 4.9-5 Ghz
 
 
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11:03 AM
@Asmyldof Package arrived. All Ok.
 
@JRE I got the notice. Good to hear it's in tact
@Aakusti That would veer more towards the hundreds+ range
 
JRE
Meanwhile, there are reports of a shortage of packing materials in Europe. The shortage seems to be centered over the Netherlands. When asked about the shortage, Asmyldof replied "No comment" and returned to wrapping packages to be sent to Germany.
 
11:56 AM
:-D
 
 
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1:46 PM
@Rishi Ask, someone may answer it :)
 
 
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3:41 PM
nothing like d/ling a 1.6gb free "lite" version of a pcb package just so you can see a recommended footprint in the only file format given
 
4:27 PM
you could add gprs to the fun
 
5:03 PM
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@PlasmaHH Or 29kg
 
Hey, hopefully not too ignorant of a question... I want run an ATMEGA328P-PU chip on a breadboard without the Arduino board (like this) and according to the datasheet it looks like it the current requirements are pretty low. The power supplies I have are somewhere around 5V, 220mA up to 1A... Do I need to worry about the current? I'd prefer not to fry the chip
From what I'm reading, it looks like it won't use more A than it needs, but I don't want to find out that I'm wrong the hard way.
 
@AndyD273 The chip will take what it needs up to the limit of the supply.
Just make sure the voltages are okay
 
So if the datasheet says the voltage it needs is 5V, I can use any power supply that puts out 5V without having to worry about the amps.
 
For the DIP packaged ATMega's 200mA is more than enough, since they aren't designed to allow much more on their power pins.
And if it needs 1mA, it'll take 1mA
@AndyD273 5V DC
 
Right
 
5:13 PM
And preferably low-ish noise, but that can be a lesson for later
 
Yes, DC.
WHen you say they aren't designed to allow much more than 200mA on the power pin, does that mean if I used a PS with more than that it could hurt the chip?
I don't see anywhere in the datasheet where it talks about max current
 
@AndyD273 No, it means you should make sure not to try and light up 40LEDs, one on each I/O pin, using 20mA per LED, as that will draw 600+mA through the power pins
Link the datasheet you are looking at right now
 
Although another way to protect against that is making sure the supply is current limited, but then you also want to find out about Brown-Out and how that works
 
Yeah, that won't be a problem. Most likely won't use more than one or two output pins per chip. If I need more current I'll use a transistor
 
5:22 PM
So step one: all-datasheet links are annoying and it's best to get your datasheets from the manufacturer anyway, so you have the latest information
 
probably this one then atmel.com/Images/…
It's 400+ pages = Lots of skimming :)
 
I was just going to note that as a "legacy" device that seems to already have moved to Microchip's site, at:
400 pages is normal to short for an MCU of the type
Took the summary link myself, anyway, always have the full for yourself
@AndyD273 Page 365 in your link
 
OK Cool. Well, I'm hoping that it'll all work out good
 
5:48 PM
Hmm, I guess I could use one of these to make sure that it never goes over 100mA
Well, not that one exactly... I'd have to buy 2000 of them. That's a little crazy. But one like it anyway.
 
@AndyD273 That's just complicating your life for no good reason. Also they don't definitively hard limit at 100mA
 
hmm, ok
 
 
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7:02 PM
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7:21 PM
@jippie I wonder if he's willing to pay $350k/yr for my research into inverse micro singularities
 
anyone able to recommend a good Q/A on here regarding how to reduce inductive ripple on square wave transitions (2Mhz signal in my case)? I have a signal coming in from a ribbon cable and going into a level shifter, and i'm seeing up to 1V inductive spikes on the leading and falling edges of the square waves. Could also be my shitty probe and poor grounding though
 
@KyranF Step one would be to not use any old ribbon cable
And also decent measurement devices
 
indeed
 
including a $0.50 ground spring
 
i have 0.05" pitch ribbon taking 16 x 2Mhz square wave signals from up to 24 inches away, and landing on a board with some level-shifters (TXB0108)
 
7:24 PM
If I measure a DC/DC at 3MHz ish the waveform may look perfect with ground spring or snake-tongue probe (literal translation, pologies) but with looped ground wire I will see ringing
 
its a 20-pin ribbon, with 2 x gnd and 2 x 5V power signals mixed in there
 
First suggestion is to get foil-backed ribbon if you can't upgrade to finer pitched 40p
 
right
 
@Asmyldof I'll happily be your door mat for 175k$/yr during your research
 
foil backed, interesting
 
7:25 PM
@jippie assistant budget is only $75k
@KyranF Foil backed even comes in matched impedance if you look hard enough
 
what about this cheeky cable? multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/22044O/…
 
That said your wavelength is huge compared to the distance, so it's unlikely to be a matching problem
 
is that what you mean by foil-backed?
yeah it's not impedence matching
i am also getting pretty bad cross-talk
so i think the ringing is just from shitty probing, but I get almost 2Vp-p crosstalk
 
@KyranF Then you probably need signal separation, but weave or foil backing would help at the least
 
because i have high-drive-strength comparators making these signals, and most of the signals are adjacanet
adjacent*
only a few of them have the benefit of 5V/Gnd signal seperation
 
7:30 PM
There's a reason a lot of projects use 40p ribbon for less than 20 signals
 
oh and some of the signals are totally unconnected, which of course will show up terrible because theres nothing keeping the levels from floating all over the place
i am going to connect them all and probe better and see what it looks like
if there WAS ringing on these signals, how would one effectively filter the ripple? Would you use an RC filter on the inputs after the ribbon lands on the board?
 
@KyranF Square wave == digital.
If you wanted a slow slope from an RC filter (which nearly nobody wants on their SqWave) you would put that filter before the cable
Since a lower slew would limit capacitive couplling and such crosstalk
But if you want a lower slew, get slew limited drivers
 
yeah.. i think the comparator i'm using is grossly powerful
at least, for the signals it's working with. it has a 4.5ns rise time, but the fastest square wave it needs to make is only 5Mhz
rounding the edges of the square waves to reduce cross-talk and ringing seems like a safe thing to me
 
7:45 PM
@KyranF That depends largely on what your signals do. I have no context whatsoever, but I have never had to do any complicated trickery with digital signals beow 40MHz over such chort distances
 
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@KyranF ((complicated trickery being anything beyond selecting the right drivers, receivers and setting up cables to carry the signals))
 
8:10 PM
29kg, two floors, heavier than I thought
 
@PlasmaHH Oh come on. I walked up 3 flights in the flat (3.15m each) with one on each shoulder
:-P
 
But you get more sleep!
 
You get less than 5 hours on average? How young are your daughters?
Anyway, Everything in tact?
 
4 and 2 and currentyl in a very annoying phase and have the flu, which means two rotating children in the night...
 
@PlasmaHH You spit-roast them?
 
8:21 PM
@Asmyldof when they have fever, they turn around themselves every few minutes
@Asmyldof a tiny mark at the point where something pierced the packaging, most got absorbed by the double layer bubble wrap
 
@PlasmaHH Let me know if there's any lasting damage
 
@KyranF, if you want to reduce inductance seen by signal going over ribbon cable, put that signal next to a ground wire. This might mean using a wider ribbon so you can have more ground wires.
 
@Asmyldof doesn't look like it, you can see it only when the light comes from a proper direction and can't feel it at all
 
@PlasmaHH The aforementioned Packing shortage prevails! (@JRE)
 
I'm not on board with Asmyldof on using fancy cable. Standard 0.050 pitch ribbon should be fine for 2 MHz.
I do agree that slowing edge speed will reduce ringing.
 
8:28 PM
@ThePhoton I offer options knowing nothing of the project and connector requirements. fine ribbon and standard pitch foil backed cost nearly the same here
And I did also mention signal separation on finer pitched ribbon
 
9:18 PM
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10:01 PM
so... time to figure out hwo to .measure duty cycle in ltspice...
 
@PlasmaHH Ruler
 
not the nicest for parameter stepping
 
Bah
 

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