@DanielSank Yes. I've done this kind of multi-channel thing previous summer. It wasn't painfully intuitive. The proceedings, however, are on my home computer.

@NickAlexeev I appreciate any help you can offer.

@DanielSank It may take a little while either to get to my other PC, or to re-figure-it-out.

@NickAlexeev No problem. I appreciate any help.

Here's the chat room dedicated to Altium support. (Something I had in mind to set up for a while.)

Cool.

w00t. First post in it.

Aww yeah, 300 micron

Fixed my leak!

@Giskard42 Congratulations, you're hired as Trump's newest White House advisor.

(oh man, I'm quick with the witty reparte)

@ThePhoton At least you don't need to Tweet it at 4AM from the toilet

@Asmyldof What time is it in CET and where are you ... Wait, nevermind.

I'm not on the toilet

I have successfully packed all to-be-German items.

I shall plan a pickup tomorrow by tonight.

\o/

This stuff is crazy: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/…

Except that it's up to 16 layers at the moment

stumbled over this 8k€ graphics card using hbm2 memory..

Any ideas why my gVim on win7, has this 80s text rendering quality?

Because proper editors use MonoSpaced fonts

And the only one guaranteed on all versions of Win95+ is SysFont

@Zeta.Investigator looks like a standard console type application font on wnidoze

@Asmyldof So, I should change the font?

its your vim, if you dont like it, change it

I would probably change it to my standard monospace font for consistency

and I would for sure change that ugly colourscheme ^

@PlasmaHH I've just finished vimTutor yesterday. I just don't know how to change these settings yet. If only Keil had an Auto-Indent shortcut, I wouldn't have come to this far far stranger tides...

@PlasmaHH Candycane pink and Mint Green?

@Asmyldof obviously!

@Zeta.Investigator google is your friend? also :he is your friend as vim has a really extensive documentation

@Asmyldof Those things are actually themes?

@PlasmaHH Yeah, but "Time",Dr Freeman? Is it really that "Time "again?

just start using it and go step by step? If you don't start using stuff then you won't remember it, so don't try to learn al before you start usign it

@PlasmaHH Thanks :)

Anybody got a guess what's the thermal conductivity of an ESD mat?

Very had?

Bad

@PlasmaHH Does that mean low or high? In this case, I want it to be an insulator.

is it cute when you open an electronics box and it has an LED inside it on all the time and you can't see it when the box is closed????

@EwokNightmares My designs tend to have dozens of those.

Well, a dozen or so.

i wander accumulative how many cities could be powered by hiding LEDs

Just to see if the power is on during debugging, with never enough motivation to get rid of them for production.

@EwokNightmares Depends how much power those cities are wasting powering hidden LEDs.

@ThePhoton damn thermodynamics gets me every time

@ThePhoton it can't be an insulator, how would it dissipate static the GND then? its a high impedance conductor

oh wait you meant heat

well, its the same more or less

<-- needs more beer

The mat will burn/melt before the surface it's on

that for sure

Do you know that awkward moment between birth and death?

@ThePhoton @PlasmaHH Actually, it's not a great thermal insulator

Depends on the material it's made of, but it falls in the range of 0.1 to 2.0 W/mK I would assume

well, ovviously nothing compared to styrofoam or so, but certainly better than wet cloth

Depends on what you wetted the cloth with

In fact most common ESD mat materials all fall in 0.1 to 0.5 W/mK as it seems

Carbon additives might up that a bit

hm, a bit worse than what I would expect

@W5VO And that depends on the temperature you apply and all materials involved

tech.slashdot.org/story/17/02/23/0640234/…

yeah, I heard of these, the requirements document is basically the same detail level as the code

To further the illusion that creating good working programs with proven determinism is easy, by way of generating code that seems valid day 1, and on day 10 start blaming other stuff for the memory leaks

@Asmyldof Well, I guess that justifies what I was going to try next anyway, which is put an air gap between the thing I'm testing and the bench top.

@ThePhoton What temperature?

@Zeta.Investigator Snork. Don't make me laugh. I'd like to see it cope with my job. Typical specification consists of three lines of vague description that refers to the nonexistant documentaation from the manufacturer. The finished task takes a month, and consists of more code than most startups produce, and is only a small part of the product we sell. I'd like to see the program that can do that.

@JRE Done

@PlasmaHH @JRE I had the same exact thought. The more detailed the spec gets, the more similar it gets to an actual code in a programming language

@Asmyldof @JRE @PlasmaHH Check this out. A deep neural network that imitates the style of a painting!!

Seen that.

Imitation makes no money

tell that the people that fake art

Soooo, you are basically saying that engineering and design could never be automated? (at least in the coming century)

indeed

Barappapipahpom

hgzzzz

It makes interesting pictures, but you at a glance the similarity to the source. It won't (can't) come up with something new, and it doesn't express any meaning - the algorithm does't understand why a particular style is appropriate, nor does it have anything to express. The only meaning it can have is whatever the person selecting styles and photos might give it.

@Asmyldof's Swedish lessons begins...

That means: And even if it could randomly transform a vague requirement into something enlightened, where do these millions of snippets come from? From the idiots that now already make 6GB software full of bugs.

Swedish is a very efficient language

@JRE It's actually a philosophical question. How do we think? Do we really "understand" a style like something beyond algorithms?

@Asmyldof In denfence of ANNs, one can suggest: We devise a nifty human-language interpreter, then feed the ANN books like "Design Patterns" , "Head first Java", and top 5 % of Github's repo

Then we say: Yo, Go figure! :D lol

And that's exactly my point

If the neural network were actually capable of doing my job, it'd probably actually do what I consider doing when presented with one those "highly specified" tasks I get. Namely chuck it back at the joker who wrote it and tell 'em to come back when they know what they realky want.

Guys, is it a bad practice to use break to get out of a loop? Someone said it is better (and more readable) to do so with a boolean check

There's no such thing as bad practise when it comes to the standard library of functions. Over use, bad use and confusing use are bad practise

GOTO for example has one or two valid use cases, but the way most people use it, or would use it, is most certainly bad practise

@Asmyldof Thanks

@Asmyldof Nothing extreme, 20 - 40 C.

@ThePhoton That'll be fine then

Most mats have a tendency to warp upward at 150+

In which case I would have suggested a thin metal diffusion and push-down plate

@NickAlexeev Price, price, and price.

Sometimes the internal dividers work out slightly better for a 400MHz one than a 500MHz one

Other than that

@NickAlexeev Conceivably, availability.

But probably that's not an issue with Spartan 6

@JRE Your package has a black line along the side. If you make shallow cuts through the tape there, it should unroll all on its own

(Where the tape skips from outer layer to inner layer)

@ThePhoton The price difference between speed grades 2 and 3 is whopping $3. Meanwhile, the largest forecast for the quantity is 100 units.

Added 2 layers of bubble wrap under the cardboard, but don't be too enthusiastic

@Asmyldof Ok. Thanks.

Buttons and strap are inside the rolled up mat

@NickAlexeev Sure, a lot of FPGA applications aren't particularly price sensitive.

Today on Slashdot: "Owning a Cat Does Not Lead To Mental Illness, Study Finds "

@ThePhoton What about cat's mental health?

@ThePhoton It's mental illness that leads to owning cats

@NickAlexeev Brain the size of a walnut, what can go wrong?

I need to get a few more cats then

@PlasmaHH Package all wrapped up

splendid

I realise now that I forgot the "invoices"

I'll e-mail them

good

you accept payment in kiwis?

@PlasmaHH Only if they are cute, female and of legal age

thought more of thses... memestorage.com/_nw/59/63584220.jpg

@JRE UPS wants a phone number. Any chance of mailing one to me?

@PlasmaHH No wrong Species

@Asmyldof You know that kiwi plants also come in male and female, right?

@ThePhoton If they're of legal age, they should be about worth the shipment on eBay

@PlasmaHH prod

Check hangouts

@Asmyldof Sent you an email with phone number.

Yay

Collection was a hefty fee, so I'll be bringing them to UPS headquarters tomorrow. Should be first delivered by UPS tuesday

@JRE Unless you prefer " Hold for Customer Collection"

Have no idea where I'd have to go to pick it up. But, if it is cheaper for you to send that way then go ahead.

@JRE Pick-up location: Eindhoven, NL

@JRE Nope, same cost.

Did you mail @asmyldof.com?

(Nothing yet)

I think Gmail doesn't want me to mail with .de addresses