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8:23 AM
@PlasmaHH Any packages yet?
 
8:34 AM
@Asmyldof nope. seems to have the same tracking code problem as last time too, no progress, so I guess it has not arrived in any german facility yet
 
9:19 AM
@PlasmaHH Shame. But at least it's finally off my desk hide
 
9:45 AM
\o/
so you dropped it, yeah?
 
 
2 hours later…
11:32 AM
@PlasmaHH Ihr DHL Paket kommt am Samstag.
Think that's the notifier for your package
So, now you know
 
12:05 PM
which week? month? year? ;)
 
The day of that is Tomorrow
 
So we have a race between that and my PCs new PSU ;)
 
1:07 PM
Hello everyone... :-)
 
dim
Hi
 
dim
Amazing how it's always the same people here...
 
Yeah..
So keep smiling, I will talk later. See ya
 
@dim any proof?
 
dim
1:16 PM
Mmh, I should make some stats. But I'm not sure SE data explorer can seek through chats.
Otherwise, I have a stupid question regarding what's happening on this site, again...
This question
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A: How to mount the PCB in Hammond 1590WDFL aluminium enclosure?

dimTypically, for most extruded standard aluminium cases, there are rails on both sides of the case, in which you slide the PCB. Once you close the openings, the PCB can't move anymore. Example: You see the rails in the middle of the sidewalls. Sometimes, there are several rails, so you can choo...

Well, that's the answer link, nevermind.
This question has been edited, which makes my answer (the crappiest answer I've ever made) even more crappy and outside scope.
Because the guy wants his question reopened.
Basically, this makes this whole page (the answer, the question, everything) a huge invalid mess.
Any actions to take? Burn the whole thing?
 
1:44 PM
revert the edit I would say
which I just did
 
dim
Ok, I was about to say "I don't want to upset the OP", but if you did, it's fine! Thanks.
 
yeah, fuck the OPs feelings, this site has fuckin rules.
5
 
dim
One of them, being, not saying "fuck", if I remind well... Oh, whatever.
 
fuck that
 
does not apply for fuckin chat, for fucks sake
 
dim
1:47 PM
That's fucking cool, then!
 
don't say bitch though, that's unacceptable
 
dim
Imma answer questions only on chat, I'll be as rude as fuck.
 
and always make sure that whatever you say, when taken out of context will be flagged ^^
 
dim
Yeah, bitch is wrong. Respect for women, all that... Unless bitch applies to a man.
 
talk to bearing about that
 
2:24 PM
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Q: Circuit board without EDA

EnricoFor me there is no doubt that one of the most time consuming tasks when it comes to produce a new board is going from a ratsnest to the final layout. I must admit I am not an expert, but to me it takes days, and I would never ever be able to do it without the aid of Kicad, even for circuits of mo...

certainly an intresting topic, though I am afraid its a bit offtopic and a bit broad. worth trying to salvage?
 
@PlasmaHH I just answered the question Plasma
perhaps I shouldn't have, but I thought the old techniques could be mentioned
 
dim
I like those type of questions, acutally. And the answers to them even more.
 
I notice that Olin just posted an answer, if that changes things. LOL
 
2:42 PM
good chances that it lands in the hnq list
I kinda like how this is in a sense a bootsrapping process. No EDA, no complex processors. So first build something complex by hand, then use that to build something that can build something that can...
 
@PlasmaHH I wonder if there is a term or word to describe that progression (other than bootstrapping)
It is surprising how many inventions are really improvements. Until a game changer invention comes along which is much less dependent upon previous progress
. . There was a television series hosted by James Burke that would show how a series of inventions built upon each other, over centuries, and resulting in surprising results. topdocumentaryfilms.com/james-burke-connections
was called "Connections"
 
@Marla In a brainstorm meeting for a website idea (basically wikipedia but explaining how to build it, for everything and then referenceing to the pages of the "Ingredients") we draw some graphs of things depending on each other and noticed that fora long long time there hasn't been much that didn't depend on previous things
so take that website (if it existed) dump a large population with it on an uninhabited planet, and it will likely still take hundreds of years to recover ^^
 
3:00 PM
@PlasmaHH Yes, I have not recently seen a naked man running thru the streets shouting "EUREKA"
 
dim
@Marla Well, I did, recently. But I had actually found nothing
 
@dim That was called "streaking" back in the day.
 
dim
@Marla Unfortunately, my english is too poor to know that word. What does it mean?
 
@dim The reference was for Archimedes (greek science). Upon realizing buoyancy (floating), he was so excited he got out of bathtub and ran into the street shouting Eureka ( I have found it ).
 
εὕρηκα more specifically
 
dim
3:08 PM
@Marla Yeah, I know the reference. That's why I said "I had actually found nothing". So, it wasn't funny, was it?
 
@dim :) I get it now :)
 
dim
However, this is the "streaking" word, that I don't know.
 
was a popular fad, in 1970's, running naked
 
dim
@Marla Ooook, I didn't know you had a word for that. Must be because of all the english soccer fans, no?
 
english is one of the languages that have a word for everything, but nobody using them.
in contrary to german, where there are words for most things, and for the rest everyone makes them up, and they end up making up all the same word for it.
 
dim
3:12 PM
@PlasmaHH Oh, so you're german?
 
you aren't here often I guess... ^^
 
dim
Not really... I already spend waaaaay too much time on internet.
 
hm, too much time on the internet, does that mean during your sleep too?
 
dim
Since I have started stack exchange, yeah, we can say it. In my dreams, even. That's awful. Should I consult?
 
Yeah, either beer, wine or whiskey
 
dim
3:16 PM
@PlasmaHH Consult beer. Imma do that this evening. Not sure it helps, but worth a try... Or two... or three
 
three day weekend here in the us. i'll be consulting beers from 5pm EST to some time late monday
5:15 perhaps
 
@TheNoonMoose ah yeah, with that day where the rest of the world holds breath and looks if finally someone has the balls to blow something up for good? ^^
 
3:38 PM
@Marla One of the first things I watched when I figured out Netflix has old TV shows.
 
@ThePhoton referring to the "Connections" television show ?
 
@Marla yep
 
I have a USB power reader connected to computer. It reader reads "5.25 V" and "0.00 A"

When I connect my phone to its power output, it reads "4.90 V" and "0.35 A"

What does this mean?
"It's working"
 
@Lakitu phone is charging and consuming 0.35 A. Sounds normal.
 
4:02 PM
I'm about to embark on an educational exercise, and I'd like to teach about Wheatstone Bridges. I'm a bit stuck on what to use for an inexpensive resistive sensor with very low sensitivity, such that a bridge would make sense. We're talking a real need for "readily accessible" and inexpensive. Any suggestions?
 
@ScottSeidman Glass of water (tap water that already has impurities), and then put in a few grains of salt ?
a couple of wires (electrodes)
 
@Marla Nice suggestion, but I think that would work best at AC, unless using a nonpolarizable electrode.
Should have specced DC
Might be worth a try, though
 
the electrolysis might not show up in a short test duration
use of stainless steel electrode rather than copper. Could reduce effects of electrolysis.
 
@ScottSeidman Strain guage attached to a really stiff object?
 
It's not the electrolysis, but the effective capacitance formed as the ions migrate to the electrode.
 
4:10 PM
@ScottSeidman and the water I suggested is not very repeatable. Probably best not to use
 
@ThePhoton Not unless I can find a really cheap strain gage that's incredibly inexpensive and dirt simple to mount. We're talking "to the masses" here. I'm thinking maybe something a kid can slap together out of conductive foam.
@Marla Actually, repeatability isn't necessarily important
 
@ScottSeidman Well you'd be looking for a crappy strain guage, not the latest high-sensitivity design. Maybe something you (or a student) can make yourself.
 
@ThePhoton Maybe some conductive foam and alligator clips would do it. I was thinking that would be too sensitive, but using it to detect taps instead of heavier pressure might be good.
 
@ScottSeidman perhaps a length of steel wire (generic baling wire). Not knowing the range of resistance you are thinking of (wire in series with a resistor). Then have the kids repeatedly bend the wire. (Kids like to break things). Resistance gets higher with temperature. Or, if fire is allowed, let them heat the wire with a flame lighter. Very Low Sensitivity
 
@ScottSeidman I'm thinking of maybe getting a sheet of conductive rubber EMI shielding material and rivet copper contacts to it. But I'm getting the idea that might be too much investment for your use case.
 
4:18 PM
@Marla Actually, an open strain gage might be just the thing. Just a few loops that people could tug on.
I'll try something with some conductive foam, and see if I can make a go of it.
I've been talking w/ our VP of online learning about doing a MOOC
 
had to google that :) MOOC
 
Mims to the rescue?? books.google.com/…
 
@ScottSeidman That is a great find. I might have to put one of those under my front door mat.
 
@Marla Yeah -- Interesting stuff. Have to keep in mind that if things go "well" it might need to scale to tens of thousands.
 
4:34 PM
@ScottSeidman I just looked for that "rubber band resistor" question from a few days ago. I see you have already been there
 
4:44 PM
I like the idea of the water, though different water sources would have different conductivities so one would want to make sure the bridge could be "zeroed" to different concentrations of ions... maybe a setup with a control glass and a varying glass?
 
can someone help me understand electrical engineering?
is electronics technician and electrical engineer the same thing?
 
I have that problem too :( looks like it takes years unfortunately @Lakitu
and no, they are quite different, generally 2 year vs 4 year degree and other major differences
 
which one specializes in creating their own gadgets and gizmos?
I want to create some neat stuff
 
uhh the hobbyist inventor? Seems like you're about to hit the disillusionment with engineering that most of my friends hit
 
please explain?
 
4:49 PM
@Lakitu "specialized in creating their own gadgets and gizmos" . . describes hobbyist (as @inkyvoyd) pointed out
 
so its completely different to make electrical stuff than to be an electrical engineer and electrician?
 
Well, if you're an electrical engineer you generally have projects that do tasks
For instance, one of the engineers in a facility I'm interning at wired and set up a motor controller for a stepper motor
 
I'm guessing im in the wrong place then? I wanted to learn about transistors and capacitors and make something from Arduino
 
but the stepper motor works to control these guide vanes that control inlet gas for a compressor for refrigeration
Well, you can do that in your free time - you're looking more at the maker culture... but if you want to do a good job with electronics a formal education and job experience certainly would not hurt
 
so its "hobbyist" ? maybe I should google "electronics hobbyist" or "electrical hobbyist" ?
I want to also make robots. is the same thing as hobbyist?
 
4:53 PM
Well @Lakitu, the way I see it, engineers make stuff, "cool" or not.. Do you want to make stuff that works, or stuff that looks good?
 
@Lakitu try this site for ideas on gizmos : instructables.com/tag/type-id/category-technology
 
The two aren't mutually exclusive, but there is a subtle difference
 
stuff that looks cool and work. for example, I want to make a room detector where if someone enters a room a bell will sound off
I think its really neat
 
Well do you want a proof of concept (looks cool), or do you want a robust design that is actually useful (works)?
most hobbyists could do the former, but I think it'd take real engineering to get the lattere down
many hobbyists are real engineers of course, but engineering curriculum is pretty rigorous
 
small design only
i mostly care that it works, over looks
electronics centered around PC
 
4:56 PM
Basically you have to study systems and components in depth if you want to make a good design. If you want to make a design, well, go on the internet and copy someone else's
 
via USB
yesterday I cut open a USB cord and I saw the wires
They were red, black, green, and white
 
Well, there is a whole "maker" hype that I mentioned earlier, and Arduino has a LOT of tutorials everywhere if you want to make stuff fast... but if you want to make proper designs it'll take experience and knowledge, which you'd probably want to study theory
 
Then I took out the battery of a phone that the battery doesn't work, and plugged it into the phone and I was able to turn it on! At that point I knew I wanted to work with electricty
You can get around everyday limitations with electrical knowledge
 
I want People to bring me their broken electronics and I want to fix them and sell them
 
5:00 PM
@Lakitu that would be most descriptive of an electronics Technician then
 
I see...
from some reading, I gather that electrical engineering is simply a designer. electrical technician is hands-on person who works directly with physical electronics. electrician is someone who works with electrical appliances. are these accurate depictions?
 
fairly close, yes. Good enough generic desciptions
 
which one are you
I think I want to become an electrical technician.
 
retired , , engineer
 
was it fun?
you had strong passion for it?
 
5:07 PM
yes, yes :)
 
Quick question, why is it that if I connect red and black wires together, my computer turns off? I'm guessing this is bad?
 
@Lakitu , may I ask, what are you currently studying? Or maybe, what grade are you in?
 
yet if i connect them to something else, its fine
I'm studying web programming
I think I made a mistake now.
college for 1 year
I like building websites but I am finding I like electronics a bit more...
 
touching two unknown wires together usually results in more damage than you seem to have suffered
 
Well Lakitu, I've been in college for one year as well. I've asked extensively around to all the older, more experienced people, and they told me something pretty interesting
 
5:10 PM
@inkyvoyd I know where this is heading.
 
More or less, what you study now doesn't matter since 1. You don't know what your interests are and you can't figure out easily. 2. Your interests will change over time
 
Oh.
lol I thought you were going to say they told you to "Use google"
 
All studying will tell you is what you aren't interested in... there are a lot of things to learn
pick something and stick with it...
 
Its a USB with 5.25v, how bad can that be?
 
I do not think you will think so happily of electrical engineering when you are staying up late wondering why you can't do a basic circuit analysis problem ;)
 
5:11 PM
yeah...i am more handson, not conceptual
I want to touch and see things happen
 
Well, to be blunt, you need both.
 
to an extent I hope, not full-fledged? I think electrical engineering is maybe white collar job
I'm guessing that's the 4-6 year degree requirement
but to learn basic to intermediate electronics maybe 2 year?
 
If you put you hands across a 12 volt car battery nothing happens. If you put a wrench across a 12 volt car battery you make a loud sound and very possibly seriously injure yourself. Why? Ohm's law.
 
Human skin resists
connection has to be low resistent, high conduction so metal to metal
human skin is not metal, so poor conductor
 
but I'm curious, why go for the 2 year degree
 
5:14 PM
unless touching already established current
 
if you want to properly learn electronics?
 
2 years not enough?
 
it takes 10,000 hours...
 
to save money :(
 
might as well get a head start with some extra theory before you're on your way
 
5:15 PM
I work at walmart
so, but why red and black cause smoke, but adding something in between them its fine?
oh I think I got it
the thing between them have better control of current
red input into device, current gets stripped down on output to black
this stuff is easy!
so I guess returning same exact amount of voltage to the source is bad, but returning less back to the source is ok
same amount of current*
 
But @Lakitu , it seems like you're asking a lot of basic electricity questions... my advice to you is to check out the websites that we've linked you to before coming on the chat... most of the users here are practicing engineers that ask questions that are very specific... you're essentially going to a high class chef's kitchen and asking them how to make a basic sandwich
 
LOL
 
Anyone want to give me opinion about some after market parts I'm buying for my car?
 
@Tarson Do you mean like mud-flaps ? :)
 
Seems like you might want to go to the stack exchange for automotive maintenance @Tarson
 
5:21 PM
@Marla kinda lol more like lip spoiler.
@inkyvoyd no one avalible I figure being electrical engineers you may be into automotive
 
Not even mechanical?
 
I really don't know much about cars, so I thought of the least technical thing on a car
 
I'm more interested in how my car's alternator works than most of the rest of the car tehe
 
i'm thinking dtm
 
I once jnew of a sho selling nice decals
 
5:28 PM
The DTM growing on me
 
Wher are my 35cm screwdrivers.... oh wait, I have any :/
 
dim
I should send photos of my car too
It's junk. Seriously, it's bumped everywhere, it's a wreck.
 
5:44 PM
@dim That way it won't get stolen
 
dim
My brains are in better state, it should give you an idea...
@Marla exactly. And if I ruin it when I park, I don't care
 
makes those tiny parking spots seem a lot larger
 
dim
@Marla And the other cars I park next to, much smaller
 
@dim I have a reasonable nice car, and I leave it unlocked. Why get a $900 back window broken by thieves. When all they want to steal is much cheaper
 
dim
@PlasmaHH I really like this spirit.
Fat fingering, sorry. Meant as a response to marla. Well, those iPads, they have tiny keyboards
 
5:52 PM
:)
 
Burp
One has to seriously wonder how some things were assembled when you can basically only get to them with force and fiddling
 
I'm having way too much fun with my new bed for a single guy who really doesn't date
@PlasmaHH Not really
 
@PlasmaHH Force and jigs.
 
@ThePhoton And... euhm... weerhaakjes
Mechanical Barbs!
 
@Asmyldof Something I shouldn't have google image searched
 
6:01 PM
lol
 
at work\
 
:-D
 
@Asmyldof Dutch humor apparently doesn't observe safe-for-work boundaries.
 
@ThePhoton We don't even do "NSFW"
To us, anything is SFW
If your preference is NSFW, you need new W, where your preference is SFW
And also, to a large extend, our W doesn't care what we G or Y, as long as in 8 hours we get the amount of work done we get paid for
 
It's unfortunate what 2 m of sea level rise might do to your country.
 
6:08 PM
@ThePhoton You mean, hardly anything?
 
According to Wikipedia, the highest point in the Netherlands is on an island in the Carribean.
 
The countries we build dikes for in the 1850's and 1900's are now flooding, due to lack of maintenance... yet we lie further below sea level, and we have hardly any issues
 
@Asmyldof Does pumping out water have to be done continuously ?
 
No
We have partially water mills and partially ground water stagnation management
 
In what kind of amplifier circuit does reducing gain tend to increase distortion, and why?
 
6:15 PM
An outerloop-stablised gain stage, because the outer-loop can no longer compensate the incoming noise?
Disclaimer: In any assertions made one must consider the fact I just had drinks with a customer
 
@ThePhoton is the question restricted to Linear amplifiers ?
meant analog linear amps
 
@Marla Notionally linear ampliiers, anyway
 
@ThePhoton Purposefully designed amplifier system, or GP Amp?
 
@Asmyldof purchased wideband rf amplifier
 
hmmm, interesting
@ThePhoton Broadband distortion?
 
6:21 PM
@ThePhoton what type of modulation ? AM, FM, other
 
@Marla baseband
@Marla I'm a fiber optics guy. Anything more than OOK is considered too fussy for us. (Until very recently anyway)
 
Everytime I see "OOK encoding", I have to think about OOk-EEP-OOP encoding from Monkey Island
 
This is probably more of an @placeholder question, I guess.
 
@MickLH Stop bitching
 
And I'd guess the obvious answer would be when gain control comes from something like restricting bias current through some intermediate stage.
 
6:25 PM
Srsly, how wide of a band is your distortion in?
 
@Asmyldof Didn't test. I just know it messes up a 25 Gbps signal
 
Might even be parasitics that can become more or less pronounced with gain or bias
But that would mean a strong frequency bias towards the distortion
And also chocolate-tuna-cup-cakes
 
6:41 PM
This thing is intentionally built to be non serviceable
 
unlike 95% of consumer electro... oh wait
 
6:54 PM
I think I might start cow farming on my balcony
 
7:20 PM
How many?
 
hello (chat) world
can someone tell me where to look for resources if i want to modify a bluetooth keyboard to use it with usb through the micro usb charging port?
 
7:39 PM
that kinda project is expensive enough that you should only be doing it for fun, not for functionality
as in it'd be cheaper to just use two keyboards, or hell it'd be cheaper to modify a usb keyboard to use bluetooth maybe
probably buying a keyboard that had both interfaces would also be cheaper
 
@PlasmaHH 4, maybe 5
 
but if you're dead set, well, it's pretty easy to get an arduino or what have you to appear as a "human interface device" and then it's just a matter of figuring out what key is pressed with the arduino and sending the info to the computer
 
@TheNoonMoose You'd be amazed how quickly the high overhead of the duino libraries make response times annoyingly noticeable at 101+ keys.
 
good advice. i'd personally be using a teensy for that kinda project
 
8:03 PM
Pheasants can be trained to retrieve your left shoe.
 
are you suggesting that the teensy is not appropriate for that sort of project, or just spouting nonsense towards the end of a long week?
either answer is acceptable
 
There's some parts of both
more of the latter
 
fair enough, the teensy is a fair amount of processing power and i/o in a small package, i'm a fan of it
 
@Asmyldof Must'a been more than just a couple drinks
 
i've got another 50 minutes in the lab and if the boss wants drinks this week he's getting told to take a hike
been in the lab before 830am the last...17 days, apparently
i need the long weekend
 
8:16 PM
@ThePhoton I'm just naturally imaginative
 
 
1 hour later…
9:31 PM
Bad News Everybody!
Vacuum Sealed and Dessicated is not a good way to long-term store beer. #empirical
 
@Asmyldof Eat the dessicant. It will release the organic content in the gut, while the mineral portion will pass through. At least, you'll get something out of it.
 
10:11 PM
@NickAlexeev If you had a nontoxic dessicant that absorbed more water than alcohol you would have a handy dandy home distilling kit in a jar. Probably wouldn't use it on beer but maybe pitch yeast into a bucket of apricots and leave it in the basement for a few weeks, see what happens.
 
10:33 PM
@ThePhoton Silica is non-toxic, and it can be used as a dessicant.
Fun fact: alcohol and water boil as an azeotropic mix. As a result, it's not possible to get more than 96% alcohol by distillation alone. The remaining water can be removed by a dessicant, though.
 

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