@user66697 many thanks. I tried to avoid any assumptions about why transgender proponents hold their views, as I thought that was irrelevant to my point about why there was an inherent conflict between some transgender proponents and some feminists.

so you only argue for one side " You therefore arrive at a position in which a member of the class of humans which has historically been associated with the exploitation and suppression of women (ie what most people would call men), is able to claim membership of the set of humans which has historically been subject to the exploitation "

it's fine: you act however you like.

Not really- I am just stating what I believe to be facts. If you think that some biological women have not historically been exploited and suppressed by some biological men, then I disagree with you.

yes, i definitely do think that. you have historically exploited and oppressed me.

In which case I apologise.

What would you like to do about it?

you didn't work out that i might mean some of the things i said?

i can sugffer transient anger about psychological abuse, but that doesn't meaN idt it isn't that all the time

i have probably confused you with someone else

i do that a lot.

@jlliagre who are you

A passerby

oh hi.

look @MarcoOcram i would suggest we take this to email if you want to chat

I don't see much constructive happening here, so I'll temporarily freeze the room and check with a local mod whether they see cause to unfreeze it.

Flags went network-wide. At which point something has definitely gone too far.