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A: How can I show this property about lie algebras and lie subgroups?

Ben GrossmannFirst, note that $\mathfrak h$ is commutative, so $$ e^{X_1} \cdots e^{X_n} = e^{X_1 + \cdots + X_n}. $$ With that in mind, consider a sequence $(A_n) \subset H$ with limit $A \in \bar H$. By the above, there exists a corresponding sequence $(X_n) \subset H$ so that $A_n = \exp(X_n)$. By the inve...

 
Thanks for your hint, but I have already remarked this, even though I don't see where it is useful in the above approach. Or is the approach wrong?
 
@user123234 I don't see where in your post you say this. In any case, I'll elaborate further.
 
No not in the post, I remarked this on my notes.
 
@user123234 See my edit.
 
but couldn't I use that $H$ and $\overline{H}$ are commutative because my assistant told me that I could deduce this from the fact that $H$ and $\overline{H}$ are commutative
 
9:32 PM
@user123234 I don't see any obvious way forward on that basis... do you have any results in your notes or textbook that apply to commutative groups/algebras?
 
my first problem in your approach is that you have never used that $\mathfrak{h}$ is maximal
I know that if $H$ is a lie subgroup then $H$ is a normal subgroup of $\overline{H}$
I also know $H$ is generated by $\exp(X)$ for $X\in \mathfrak{h}$
 
That's a fair point; I'm not sure if h being maximal is an important detail here.
 
me neither but that's why I'm a bit worried
 
Right and that last fact is what we show
What I show in the beginning I mean
Well not just generated by, actually equal to exp(X)
(the set of all exp(X) for X in h)
 
But I couldn't use this fact somehow to work out something with my $\overline{\mathfrak{h}}$ which I wanted to define in my solution?
 
9:39 PM
I think there's an issue with my inverse map by the way
OH actually that's definitely the way to go
 
hmm okey could you maybe specify this a bit more?
will you rewrite the answer?
 
I'm getting stuck where you got stuck though... how to show that h-bar is commutative
 
But you think this is the right approach?
Maybe I need that since $\mathfrak{h}$ is commutative also $\overline{H}$ is?
 
Well we already know that H-bar is commutative
Oh that's what you mean
Yes I think that's the key. Show that non-commutativity of h-bar would induce non-abelian-ness of H.
*of H-bar
 
maybe but I don't see how
 
9:55 PM
Just put my answer up
 
I saw it thanks. But you don't assume by contradiction that $H\neq \overline{H}$ right?
 
Right, I don't make that assumption
 
ah and what do you then assume to do your contradiction?
 
You could work by contradiction if you prefer
But I was thinking you know that H is a subset (not necessarily proper) of H-bar. You use this to show that H-bar is commutative. You use this to show that the algebra of H-bar is equal to h. Now conclude that H-bar is the Lie group associated with h, i.e. H-bar = H.
 
I mean I don't see what your attempt is, since you constructed $\overline{\mathfrak{h}}$ which is abelian and contain $\mathfrak{h}$ so $\mathfrak{h}$ is not maximal but is this thenn a contradiction to which assumption?
 
10:02 PM
Again, there's no need to work by contradiction
 
but I somehow don't get your direct way.
 
What step are you having trouble with?
 
The main idea what we want to show.
We want to show $\overline{H}=H$ right?
 
Yes. We show this by showing that the Lie algebra of \overline H is equal to h, the Lie algebra of H.
 
and why is this enough?
 
10:06 PM
Because we've just shown that both H and \overline H are the Lie group generated by the same Lie algebra
So they're the same group. They're equal.
 
ah okey so if h-bar=h then H-bar=H
got it.
 
Exactly
 
but I mean that h is contained in h-bar is clear
but how do you use commutativity to show the other direction?
 
That's what it means for h to be a "maximal" commutative subalgebra: it contains any commutative subalgebra, including h-bar
 
ah if we can show h-bar is abelian then we know by maximality that h-bar is contained in h.
so we are done. I see
 
10:11 PM
Does it all make sense then?
 
but now one last question to the argument that h-bar is abelian. You have shown that $e^{sX}$ commutes with $Y$ for all $s$ but then you use that $Y$ is in H-bar?
 
No, I've only assumed that Y is in h-bar (the algebra not the group).
 
Hmm so I don't get the argument why $e^{sX}$ commutes with $Y$ and why $Y$ commutes with $X$
 
Use the derivative, as I suggest. Use the definition of a derivative.
 
But I mean you know $\exp(sX)\exp(tY)=\exp(tY)\exp(sX)$ and then if you derive you need to use the product rule on both sides
or do you first derive wrt $t$ and then $s$
because on my first attempt I used $t=s$ then I needed to apply the product rule
but here I see you used $t$ and $s$ different so you would not need it
 
10:18 PM
As I wrote in the answer, the first derivative is with respect to t, holding s constant
 
but why doesn't it work if I take $t=s$
 
Why should that work? If that worked, I wouldn't have bothered with separate s and t variables
 
ah okey I think I got it
thanks a lot
It seems that you really have a knowledge about this topic. If I have further questions about analysis on matrix groups, is there a way to contact you so that you see that I asked a question or maybe ask you directly
 
You can email me at benwgrossmann (at) gmail (dot) com
 
okey perfect thanks a lot!
 

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