Photography Chat - 2016-09-01

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2:33 PM

@MichaelClark @mattdm since you two seem to be the two main members of this site --- what is up with the overall community? Every time I try to participate over here it feels like if you aren't already a high rep member you get largely ignored if not flat out spoken down to.

1 hour later…

3:34 PM

@Ryan Really? I don't think new users are ignored — and that seems a very different concern than "spoken down to"

"Spoken down to" is kind of a problem across all of Stack Exchange, but I don't think we have it in particular here, except if you're meaning when people show up and ask questions which aren't well-suited to the site's model.

When I look at photo.stackexchange.com/users?tab=newusers, I see quite a few new users with upvotes and questions responded to.

Do you have a specific case you're concerned with?

Ive had a few run ins which made me stop trying to use the site for a while. Decided to have another go and already someone this morning is talking down to me. More generally speaking its just felt like questions and answers largely go ignored though too

@Ryan it may help if you post the specific situation here so that people can provide more direct insight as well

3:55 PM

Its kinda hard since I don't have the rep here to see much but I know I've been downvoted for good answers or had higher rep members come in after me, post the same or even less useful answers and get upvoted while mine sits there

As for the talking down to I'm trying not to rehash old things or call out names

This morning it was just a new user but that new user got his comment towards me upticked

@Ryan well part of that is the rep effect

we have a lot of beginner or novice users on this site that don't know a correct answer when they see one

but if a high rep user posts an answer that "looks good", they'll up vote it

there's also a subset of opinionated users who will downvote things they disagree with or don't like

which happens even to high rep users

Right but those same high rep users could be upvoting others as well. Its not a competition but seems like here some of the high rep members treat it as such

@Ryan I think it is more that the high rep users are just more focused on answering

Then it goes back to my original comment, "if you aren't already a high rep member you get largely ignored"

though I suppose if they come to a page that already has a good answer, upvoting would be good

because I suppose that is how I go about answering

check a question, look for good answers, upvote if I see them, respond if I don't

(assuming I actually know the answer)

4:05 PM

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A: What does the term "channel" mean in photography?

Channels are based on the color mode you're working and viewing in. Each color mode works differently. For example a CMYK Printer has 4 heads - Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, and Key. In the physical world those are considered 4 inks but in the digital world those are called Channels. The thing to reall...

like there. I have no idea how many views that has, didn't check. But the only upvote Rafael got was from me despite his answer being helpful

@Ryan honestly, I don't see an issue with the voting on those answers

is his answer technically accurate? yes. Does his answer really help explain it to someone who lacks understanding to start with? I'm not so sure

really, I'm not sure how a text only answer would convey the answer to that question clearly

the images in caleb's answer give a much more concrete example of what is going on and a visual understanding of what they are

and I upvoted his answer too

your answer is a good start, but without something that really helps visualize how the channel mixing occurs, it isn't really clear either

I left that out because Caleb already covered it

and euri and knb's answers don't really directly answer the question in a way that is easily accessible to a beginner that would be most typically asking that kind of question

gotcha

well all I can really say is that caleb's answer is the only one I'd upvote there

but I do tend to be picky about my upvotes too

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5:28 PM

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Q: Please merge tag "digital" into "digital-photography" (or the other way around)

We don't need both digital and digital-photography. Let's kill one of them, please. Since the first is on 32 questions and the second on 310, I guess digital should go — although I think the -photography postfix is kind of superfluous on a photography site. There's also film and film-photography...

support tag-naming

@Ryan For what it's worth, I looked and I've upvoted several of your answers.

@AJHenderson For what it's worth, I've upvoted 11,857 times. I definitely do not preferentially choose high-rep users — in fact, I don't think I ever look at the answerer's name before reading! — but it does make sense that the high-rep users are high-rep for a reason.

Namely — they're good at writing answers that attract upvotes. It's almost a tautology. :)

@mattdm I believe you would. I pinged you and Michaelclark because you're the two that seem to be alright over here

Well, thanks :)

It might be worth bringing this up on Meta. We've had similar discussions before, but I think mostly focused on what to do with the never-ending stream of "what camera should I buy" questions.

the few times I went into Photo meta I think I turned the entire site against me

(Which stream is mostly dried up, but at the expense of sometimes seeming offputting to people who came looking for that help.)

5:42 PM

I tried asking why a question with video was left open and pointed out how inconsistent that is and was told off pretty thoroughly

/me looks

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Q: Reopen my question about the Fuji X-T Series

What about the Fuji X-T series makes it bad for video? Closed for being about Video.. The tag video states "Questions about video mode in camera equipment." The Help states "using photographic equipment" The Help goes on to link to Can I ask Videography related questions? for what Video is on...

Huh, I don't think "First to whomever downvoted, that's just dumb." helped your case much there

I guess I do think those older video questions should be closed.

downvoting meta in general is dumb :\

even if you don't agree with it, leave an answer dont downvote the discussion

its a discussion that needs to happen

er downvoting questions in meta that is

Downvoting in meta is common convention across Stack Exchange. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/42558/…

Anyway. photo.stackexchange.com/questions/46906/… i think is on topic — the desired goal is the creation of a photograph

ditto photo.stackexchange.com/questions/67766/…

5:49 PM

Ive found very little consistency over what is deemed good and what isn't. I've stopped trying

Well, that's a general problem when you have an inconsistent set of users, and those users change over time

And for that matter, as community norms have become established

Video is one of those things where it took a while for there to be general agreement

regarding your meta - are the digital questions all related to digital photography?

er all related to [digital-photography] by its definition, "

Digital Photography is performed with CMOS or CCD sensor cameras rather than film to capture an image, and is the primary way that photographs are generated in our modern age. Don't use this tag unless your question is specifically about the technologies or techniques of digital photography in ... "

like if I scan film negatives and then am doing post processing digitally I may have tagged it [digital] (I wouldn't have because its a pointless tag, but others perhaps)

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8:44 PM

@Ryan @Ryan I think a lot of questions and answers get ignored here by many users for a lot of reasons. Sometimes it is because the ground has already been covered here so many times before. Newer users tend to answer those types of questions without even attempting to see if it duplicates an existing question. If the duplicate is obvious I sometimes decline to vote on the answers to the newer duplicate.

@Ryan Sometimes it is because there just isn't a lot of interest in very specific questions about minor aspects of how to do artistic photography. How to enter a Wi-Fi password on a specific model camera would be such an example. I spent a bit of time doing what the O.P. should have been able to do on their own (find the info at Sony's support site) knowing full well I'd be lucky to get any votes on an answer to such a question.

@Ryan I'm surprised it even got the three votes that it did!photo.stackexchange.com/questions/82407/…

@Ryan Sometime High rep users answers also get ignored. There are several answers I've written that I feel are some of the most useful I've posted here that have no upvotes. There are even a few that have a negative score. If I regard the information as both useful and correct I tend to write an answer regardless of how I think it will or will not get votes.

@Ryan Which is why Caleb got more votes. A supplemental answer needs to provide information that is missing in the existing answers, or at least explains it in a more easily understandable way to someone who doesn't already know the answer.

@Ryan I don't see an answer from your account to that question. There is an account named RyanFromGDSE, but we're not supposed to have multiple accounts here, are we?

@MichaelClark chat account names and site account names dont have to be the same

If it is any consolation, the higher my rep gets the more downvotes I see as well.

Its just annoying that between the general low vote this community seems to have and then the attitude I see - like this morning on here: photo.stackexchange.com/questions/82411/…

9:00 PM

Some of the answers I've gotten the most upvotes on were to questions I didn't think were even that important and for answers I didn't feel required much effort compared to many other answers that got few or even no upvotes. If I feel I have something to add to the topic that isn't covered well in the existing answers I'll write an answer because I fell it needs to be covered, not because I want upvotes.

There are also times when I would otherwise downvote a bad answer but don't because if I've also written an answer to that question it might seem too competitive or Machiavellian or whatever. If the answer is 180º from the correct answer, though, I will downvote it anyway.

@Ryan One of my pet peeves is answers written as comments. In the past I've been as guilty as sin of doing it, too. But I'm now trying not to do it and I don't have much sympathy for those who do. In my view both Carl and yourself should have written answers rather than suggesting solutions in the comments.

If I'm looking at an older question for whatever reason and see a comment by me that should have been an answer I'll either convert it to an answer and delete the comment or just delete it if another answer has already covered the info in my comment.

Huh I didn't suggest a solution at all in comment. I asked what tools they have available

Basically asked for further clarification

@Ryan I do think that Carl's comments to you were a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Carl can seem to be very condescending. Sometimes it might just be the nature of not being face-to-face and not getting the non-verbal cues we use when speaking in person. If you can't handle such types of folks then online communities might not be the best place to spend a lot of time!

Him on his own is one thing. Him getting upticked is another entirely. I could engage and explain why he's wrong but comments aren't the place for it

That's kinda the dilemma, I feel like every time I come to this site I'm being forced to defend myself or bite my tongue and flag things which I don't want to be doing

9:48 PM

@BESW you lurk around here too?

Eyup.

1 hour later…

11:12 PM

@Ryan Your comment could be taken to be saying, "Use Photoshop to fix the color."

@MichaelClark you can fix it in Photoshop. You can also fix it in Affinity Photo. You could also fix it in MS Paint though. How easy it is to fix and which tools within that application is whats important. All I did was ask which tool they have at their disposal. It would be like someone asking how to solve a problem on SO without naming what language they're using so people say, "Which language are you working with?"

"Which editing applications do you have?" would be the equivalent to "Which language...?". "Do you have Photoshop?" imples "You can fix it with Photoshop." A subtle distinction to be sure, but a distinction nonetheless.

I see your point

I still don't at all agree with Carl though in how he spoke to me, or believe he was thinking like you are

(Looks at clock, I'm on here entirely too much lol -- writing a tutorial for someone else)

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