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8:25 AM
Thoughts on the above photo anyone? :)
@EsaPaulasto I live in Australia and didn't go to the beach for near 10 years after it killed two of my mobile phones in quick succession. :P
 
8:36 AM
@EsaPaulasto I added my thoughts to the question :)
 
9:32 AM
@D3C4FF That rain sleeve looks affordable.
dry, loose, fine of the finest sand... I'd rather leave camera in car and just go to beach without. But wet sand won't be flying around, not on these beaches I've visited.
after all, it is hard to say what kind of protection is really needed without seeing the exact spot/area where those crabs are.
Thinking too much of potential damage to your gear quickly makes you place the whole set in the darkest corner of a closet and leave it all there.
@dpollitt made a comment I'll quote here: It isn't a fragile collectors item meant to sit on a shelf to be admired. Get out and use it. Ignore the rest of the advice given here(so far) and shoot some pictures. Use common sense, don't submerge the camera, try to keep it dry and clean and you will be just fine. If you spend the trip worrying about trivial camera worries, you will miss shots and miss the trip!
 
 
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11:05 AM
@Daenyth Ghosting from light bouncing off the sensor and the off the back of lens elements and captured by the sensor is most often an issue when you have a very bright source in a generally dark frame. If the rest of the frame is reasonably bright it will be far less noticeable. The reflection will always be a double reversed image. That is a light at the upper left will ghost at he lower right at the same distance and 180° from the center of the image.
@D3C4FF It looks a little crooked...
 
Somebody (Paul Cezanne?) said, if you can't make it straight your best action is to grossly overdo it and let people think you did it on purpose.
 
 
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1:33 PM
@D3C4FF it makes me think of bars on a cellphone. I like the overall color, but I wonder what the architects of the apparently second tallest building were thinking
it looks very out of place with the rest of the skyline
but the sky itself and the water reflections are very nice and the angle is good I think
maybe from slightly further away would have improved the perspective a bit
the right hand side feels a little too close
but it looks like there would be other things in the shot then
@EsaPaulasto yeah, that was kind of why I said you'd still have to be very careful and use some judgement
if sand and spray are flying everywhere, avoid it, if the sand is fairly matted down and water is calm, then a tarp should suffice to keep the area clear
@EsaPaulasto but fungus grows in the dark
;)
@MichaelClark whoa, Michael Clark makes an appearance in chat... :)
@EsaPaulasto I'm not sure who it was that said that, but I like it. Certainly doesn't apply to all shots, but I personally think it works well enough for this one
 
2:01 PM
I'm very satisfied with the performance of the Sunpak flash I recently bought when I use it to bounce light on subject, but I'm at loss how to make it give me enough of light when directed straight on subject. Of course I would avoid flashing that way, but I have a need to know my equipment thru and thru. I am missing something obvious, I believe.
So I went to read flash-tag :)
No help so far, but there's no hurry either. I'll figure it out sooner or later.
@AJH it was in an answer to one of questions tagged 'flash' which was what I was reading earlier this week. The question was about using on-camera flash and seeking help with washed out faces.
 
2:14 PM
Found it. Answer from AJ Finch, not Cezanne. photo.stackexchange.com/questions/23042/…
 
2:49 PM
@EsaPaulasto so when you use the flash, you are getting a dark image?
I'd try pre-flashing and FE locking if you have the option
I've noticed that sometimes when using fairly direct flash, I have to manually pre-flash and exposure lock to get the best possible exposure
even though TTL systems are supposed to handle the preflash for you
 
Hmm.. mine does preflash for TTL but yes, it sets the power so low that images turn out dark, underexposed. So you manually flash and hit the exp.lock just about the same time. Yeah I can see that would work, but you know it is a workaround and not really the solution :)
I thought it might be a design fault between Sony and Sunpak, none too uncommon with third-party accessories, so I've not been worried too much but ready to accept it as it is. While of course searching (casually) for a solution, a settings I missed or suchalike.
After all, direct head-on flash is something to avoid if possible. Bounce flash puts out so much power that I can hear the Thud-sound of the lamp over shutter-sound :)
 
3:30 PM
@EsaPaulasto my FE lock does a pre-flash or the other way around
don't remember which
but I can trigger a manual pre-flash that updates the FE info
and I get much better exposures that way
but I was having a similar problem as seen in my flash related question
and that was with a 600EX-RT
@EsaPaulasto I love the sound of flash discharge and recharge in the morning
my only complaint about the Canon 600EX-RT is that it recharges so fast I don't get to enjoy the bewwwwww sound
there is just something so therapeutic about flashes
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Q: What could cause severe under-exposure when using a Canon 5D Mark III with Speedlite 600EX-RT with Evaluative E-TTL2 metering?

AJ HendersonI recently purchased a Speedlite 600EX-RT for use with my 5D Mark III. I'm shooting with a 17-40 f4/L lens. Particularly when using the flash in the standard forward position, I get extremely severe underexposure when shooting in P mode with the flash in either High Speed Sync or First Curtain ...

never solved it other than the work around
and that was all first party, high end components
so FE seems to be a tricky beast in general
 
Hi AJ Henderson :)

Hi everyone
@AJHenderson Thank you for all your answers regarding my camera questions :) really cool !
 
3:48 PM
@AJH thanks for the link to your question. First of all, it's "good" to hear that even first-party quality gear shares this problem. If I ever find out how to do it, I'll write an answer to your question, and naturally use the pretext to praise the overwhelming cleverness of Sony cameras, lol :)
Flash sounds, "Bop!..bewwwww.." simulate or at least emulate the human wake-up process. You are first asleep, until "Bop!" your conciousness kicks in and you are suddenly awake, then to spin up "bewwwwwww.." into the morning and daily routines of breakfast and newspaper and a drive to work :)
 
4:05 PM
Aha, you had this flash issue only at that time and it works fine now? That's how I read from the comments to those short answers.
 
@AndyM no problem
did that distinction make sense about the audio?
basically external audio always gives more expandability and generally better quality, so it's generally one of the best things you can do to improve your videos. Then it's just a matter of getting the best quality video you can for the price you want to spend. That pretty much goes in order of something like the GoPro to DSLR to high end video camera, but you'd price out before getting to the end of the DSLR part of the spectrum
there isn't a lot of reason for a consumer video camera above the $500 range unless you need the small size or certain other special cases, the interchangeable lenses and superior photo performance with really solid video performance makes DSLRs pretty awesome for video, particularly now that cameras with PDAF during video are coming out
(phase detection auto focus, which allows for autofocus with video on a DSLR)
@EsaPaulasto except I don't wake up for several hours after I get out of bed, not fully anyway
@EsaPaulasto I can't reliably reproduce it. It happens at random times
I've changed my approach some and get better results now
but not sure what caused or fixed it
and it does still occasionally happen either badly under or badly over exposed
@AndyM oh yeah, and on the cheaper end, a $500 camcorder would compete with the GoPro in terms of zoom (for example, having one) but for your purposes, quality seems to be king with little need for zoom
that's the trick of the GoPro. With most video cameras in that range, you are paying for a bunch of other features and get a fairly cheap image sensor. For the GoPro they bought a nice sensor and put the minimum of other stuff around it
makes them extremely good for the price as long as it fits your use case
 
4:38 PM
Hey guys, I know somebody that owns a 5D MKIII and is buying a 7D to get the additional "length" out of her lenses. Does this make sense? It doesn't make sense to me but I'm not sure. I'm also having trouble explaining why I think it doesn't make sense, but that might be because I'm wrong. I feel like you're better off cropping a 5D photo
 
well, the APS-C sensor would have a higher pixel density, so it will sample more points, but a teleconverter would be a cheaper option
basically, it comes down to the number of pixels you can cram within the image circle
and the actual resolution that the lens is able to resolve
since an APS-C sensor is smaller, it effectively magnifies the lens because it takes only a smaller portion of the image circle but fits more dots in that space (assuming the resolution of the sensor is higher than the equivalent area on the full frame camera)
 
Yeah. I get the crop factor part. I guess it's the pixel density party I hadn't thought of
I found a forum finally that worded it in a way that made sense for me
 
5:00 PM
effectively a teleconverter does the same thing though and is cheaper as long as they only need to lengthen decent quality telephotos that are supported
 
I asked my wife to post a photo on her fb timeline, because it is out of focus and I was too ashamed of that to post it myself ;)
 
though it does cause a stop or two of aperture depending on the amount of the multiplier, though I would expect that effectively the APS-C crop must impact the amount of light that hits too
 
white kitta
but there are also some other advantages to having a second body
such as the backup and the smaller size
 
Yeah. It makes more sense now. Thank you
 
5:03 PM
and having bodies on two cameras at the same time
 
Quite a dark spot there under a large window, so almost all light comes from flash.
 
personally, if reach was my only need though, I'd teleconvert rather than APS-C it
I would also suggest that the 70D will be a better investment if she can wait a bit
if she wants another body
 
That's a good point
Thank you
 
I'm personally considering a 70D as my backup body
to replace my badly aged xTi
and I have the same primary as her
hmm, 5 up votes away from 5555 rep on AVP
 
You just got one ;)
 
 
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6:33 PM
oh noew
I got an answer accepted
so I'm going to miss 5555
:(
 
 
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7:58 PM
@AJHenderson cat in Finnish is "kissa" and when little kids sometimes have difficulties with pronouncing S they say "kitta" :)
this white one is the only one of our cats who can open doors.
Both ways, no matter if the door opens in or out. The same as the older one of our two dogs, he also knows how door handles work. Younger dog just follows him :D
 
8:47 PM
@EsaPaulasto that's impressive and somewhat disturbing
 
the door handle to our daughter's room is turned 90 degrees so that the cat can't open it ;)
daughter wants to sleep without cats
 
I see you upvoted my question on AVP to get me to 5555
 
np ;)
I also took a screenshot of the number, for the case you accidently missed seeing it yourself
 
wow, I don't know how I managed to not realize Weird Al released an albumn in 2011
and I didn't hear it till now
 
something different for you:
there's a small island in the middle of Laatokka lake, that is on Russia now
it used to be in Finland, but borders got moved about in WW 1
anyhoo, on that island there's a small cloister
it is called Konevitsa
so this song is about the churchbells of Konevitsa cloister
 
9:17 PM
well, that was not a good sample of Finnish music. Here's a better one, with a story too, though in Finnish language which probly sounds like nothing else you've ever heard before.
This band is among the most popular in Finland ever. The band plays well but the singer is just another dude who got to sing the songs because all the other band members refused the job :)
 
9:38 PM
you forget that my wife and I are nightwish fans
the latter is a little too 90s poppish for me
I'm not a fan of that particular kind of synth sound
not bad, but not what I like musically
the first song is a bit more interesting to me musically
 
@AJHenderson oh, if I ever heard that I had forgotten completely :)
and sure that latter one sounds 90s, it was made in... wait a mo..
 
but yeah, my tastes are towards more aggressive, but I musically appreciate the stylisation of the former of the two songs and the latter wasn't bad, but seemed kind of standard
 
published 1982
 
ah, well for 1982, that's impressive
 
their magic is in the lyrics really, so obviously not easy for a foreigner :(
the singer is a maestro of words
 
9:46 PM
yeah, unfortunately I do not know Finnish
 
I heard of a CIA agent who wanted to learn Finnish
you know, they get a pay rise from languages they can use
 
ah, yeah, I do like well done lyrics, though for me it isn't normally enough to bring a song up that much in how much I like it unless I like the music well as well
both Arabic and Malay are on my list before I get to any other languages
and I'll probably head east from Malay once I learn that
if I ever do
 
so the pay rise is the bigger the more rare language it is they learn
this one agent went to his superiors with thoughts about scoring big time, and asked to get learning Finnish
 
I believe the pay raise is the same, but you can potentially get a better job easier if it is rare
 
hehe, anyhow this is how the story goes ;)
 
9:49 PM
I happen to know a fair bit about such things
 
his superiors told him to get lost, Finnish is just too hard, practically impossible to master if not born here
see, that's the typical urban legend, and naturally circulated a long time here in my country ;)
 
is it just that people have trouble with pronunciation or is there something about the grammar?
 
both
perhaps even more about grammar
 
I deal very well with accents and pronunciation, but I found learning to think in right to left for Arabic was very odd feeling
and then I started dating and my language studies went on hold and I haven't gotten back to them since
 
that's what women do
let's take one word for a quick example
US : cinema
FR : Cinéma
IT : Cinema
SW : kino
no, that was Spanish, SW is Bio
Swiss : Biograf
etc.. you got it
FI : elokuvateatteri
 
9:57 PM
well, that's just because of the difference in language base
all the other ones are latin base
 
and all the other nations speaking our language base are the Hungarians and some odd folks in Siberia
 
from the spelling, Finish is much more north east europe/north west asia
 
just those two, odd folks in Siberia and Hungary
and us, of course :)
 
it doesn't share any common (even distant) bases with russian?
 
nope
 
9:59 PM
just the spelling of it appears to have some influence, even if it's otherwise very different
 
but naturally we have loaned words from Russia, Sweden, Germany and English, can't avoid that
Okay, another example, this time on grammar:
house : talo
in house : talossa
from house : talosta
our house : talomme
your house : talonne
my house : taloni
to house : taloon or talolle
 
arabic does similar, but with different letter forms
 
at house : talolla
can be, I know nothing about Arabic :)
 
they are really trippy because they have a 24 character 5 case alphabet
 
japanese has somewhat similar way to construct words
 
10:02 PM
of which two of the cases are basically dead
and case matters big time
 
is that the language where they don't write down vowels at all?
 
needless to say, language fascinates me greatly
 
you just have to invent them out of context?
 
um, I'm trying to remember, I believe there are some vowels, but some other things get implied
 
k
for Japanese speakers it is said to be easier to learn Finnish than English
because of similarities in grammar
 
10:05 PM
particularly when dealing with the primarily disused cases that are pretty much only used in old books such as the Koran (which I have to say, I still don't see how they think it is at all based on the Bible since the stories, while similar in name, are completely totally different in content)
 
well, not exactly grammar, but in the way words formulate
 
well, English in general is said to be very hard to learn
and yeah, going from latin base to asian base in general is hard
that's why Malay is on my to do list next after Arabic
though I might work Biblical Greek and Hebrew in at some point for fun as well
 
biblical greek?? what for? it is useless even for a bible study
the bible is a work of a comissio, no, a comité
 
nah, it's useful for Bible study, faster and slightly more in depth than having to hit up a Strongs concordance repeatedly (even if it's just taping a link on my phone)
 
arrh, now you caught me missing a word I would much need :(
you know what I mean, what is the word in proper English?
 
10:08 PM
I'm not sure actually
describe the word's meaning and maybe I'll be able to place it
 
got that loanded from English to Finnish, and in Finnish it is Komitea
a board of supposedly wise men who discuss about a matter and then make a decision
or an agreement
 
oh, committee
 
there, that's it
two M's
 
though in a Biblical sense I believe the word you are looking for may be Canonization
 
that too, though not in my active vocabulary
 
10:10 PM
if you are referring to the process by which the books of the New Testament were agreed upon
 
I have quite good amount of words in passive vocabulary, but lack a lot in active part of it.
@AJHenderson yep
 
but as far as Biblical greek goes, there are sometimes subtleties that don't translate well, using a good concordance and parallel translations can help figure out where those are, but it's still not quite as good as being able to know the original language's complexities
 
but for that you would need the original texts
 
and I'm a bit of an unconventional theology nut
 
and there's none, and what's left are behind a lock and key somewhere
 
10:12 PM
we have pretty close to original texts
 
perhaps, or not :)
an interesting theory written into a book by Johannes Lehmann
I'll see if I find it in Amazon..
 
speaking purely academically, we have a much higher degree of confidence in the quality of source material we have for most of the new testament than we do for pretty much any other period work
and that's pretty consistent with most academic scholars, particularly after the discovery of the dead sea scrolls
certain books have less academic regard though
 
atleast in terms of authorship
 
this one has none of academical regard, I think, but it is an interesting theory
 
10:16 PM
there isn't any info on it on the US Amazon site
 
well, it ponders on those dead sea scrolls too, while the discovery was still big news in the 70s
hmph, time flies when you'r having fun :(
I should get some sleep. Been nice talking to you again, cya AJ
 
@EsaPaulasto yeah, it looks like his thing was almost entirely based on finding those, though I'm not familiar enough with his work to give a refutal myself since I'm having a hard time finding details of his claims either, though interesting the one thing I did find pointed to his work as a reason why it's important to know Biblical greek and hebrew to be able to see some of the issues with his work that don't match up with the texts
but yeah, have a good one
 

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