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12:11 AM
@Lord_Gareth Whoops, wrong copy-paste on that link. This page.
 
 
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user61230
4:53 AM
@BESW I remember now where in Riven I became horribly, horribly stuck.
 
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I found my way back there.
 
Oh?
 
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Well, I say it like it's one place, but it's more of a general game state.
 
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I've explored the five underwater places, and have what I imagine completed them
 
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At least as much as I can at the moment
 
user61230
4:54 AM
Unless I can somehow hang myself upside down and pull myself up to the top level, which I haven't tried.
 
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None of the steam pipes do anything - I've checked everything I know to check on three islands with the third island's steam pipes in different positions.
 
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The boiler is on but it doesn't seem to affect anything.
 
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The staircases in and around the gold dome don't seem to do anything.
 
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None of the paths actually go anywhere new.
 
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'push teh buttons' has failed me! D:
 
user61230
4:56 AM
Can I implore upon thee for some assistance, dear BESW?
 
There are two ways to advance.
One requires cunning and skill in discovering the secret use of a thing you've already encountered.
The other requires... basically dumb luck in stumbling over a secret use of a thing you've already encountered.
 
user61230
Ahhh, I'm glad I'm not just being an idiot
 
Assuming we don't want to count on dumb luck, go back to Crater Island, with the boiler.
 
user61230
I'll... I'll look with that and see what I can do. I won't bother you unless I really can't get it.
 
Is there any place on that island you can see that looks likes a place you'd like to go, but your way is blocked?
 
user61230
5:00 AM
Quite prominently!
 
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The boiler has a pipe system in the bottom of it, but there's only one of two access routes in there
 
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There's the upper level platform, and then there's Atrus' old explosion experiment (I think)
 
I'm trying to remember the explosion experiment...
 
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Atrus placed a pebble on a tray and dropped it into a geothermal crevasse, capturing the explosive force to crack open a caldera.
 
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I believe is how it went. When he was 15.
 
5:03 AM
Been too long since I read the books, I guess.
You mean the steam-valve thing in the middle of the lake, with a lever and four pipes coming off it?
That?
 
user61230
It's through the tube in the bottom of the boiler
 
user61230
(Sorry about delayed response)
 
Have you been able to open the boiler?
 
user61230
Yeah
 
user61230
It leads up to Atrus' experiment with the stone and plate, but that doesn't do anything
 
5:17 AM
Ah, okay. I didn't know you'd gotten that far.
I thought you were still trying to get into the boiler.
You mean this, then:
 
user61230
Yeah, that, @BESW
 
user61230
(Sorry, my mother is not understanding computers correctly)
 
No worries about response time.
Okay. When you pull the lever, what happens?
 
user61230
If the pipe from the lake is oriented toward the experiment, the carriage falls.
 
Aight. You can mess around with that, it's useful for a future challenge. But it won't get you further ahead right now.
Is there anything else up on that higher level?
 
user61230
5:31 AM
There's a path back down, but other than that.... not as far as I can see.
 
You mean the ladder down to the caldera?
 
user61230
Yeah.
 
Then... I know exactly what your stumbling block is, but I have no idea how to give you a hint without just telling you the answer. It's a silly-simple thing that took me an embarrassingly long time to figure out, too.
 
user61230
Harrrrrrng.
 
user61230
It's one of those things. >____>
 
user61230
5:34 AM
I'll have to work on it, I suppose.
 
There's one thing I can say, I think.
There's a standard thing which is common to nearly every part of the game--a way the world acts, or rather, interacts--which is untrue somewhere in the part of Crater Island that you have access to.
It is subtle and almost literally invisible, nothing you'd normally notice at all.
 
user61230
....hm.
 
When you have identified that thing, that difference, your path will be obvious.
Oh, and don't ever forget to treat Riven like a real place.
 
user61230
I'll go back there and see... I'll play with it.
 
user61230
Thank you so much for the pointer!
 
5:41 AM
You're really really close to a major breakthrough.
 
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HAARRRRRNGGH
 
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MUST PLAY MORE
 
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OH
 
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OH @BESW
 
user61230
IS IT THE STRANGE PIPE ON THE SIDE OF THE BOILER?
 
user61230
5:50 AM
When I move it to the side the boiler drains
 
user61230
but that makes no sense
 
No, that is not it. I'm sorry.
 
user61230
/cry Okay. I'll stop pestering you now.
 
user61230
Thanks again!
 
Heheh. No worries. Would you like me to give you a narrow area to look in?
 
user61230
5:51 AM
Nnnnot quite yet...
 
user61230
Thank you, though!
 
user61230
7:00 AM
@BESW When you get back.... a tiny bit of direction might be helpful.... fjskldfe >___>
 
You'll find it in the upper levels, but looking up from the beach might help you figure out what you're looking for.
It's not a puzzle. You're overthinking it.
 
user61230
Hmm. Is it supposed to be something I should see and be able to use clearly?
 
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I only have one access route to the upper area, and from there I can see some cool stuff beyond the caldera.
 
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But I can't actually get there - I've searched for a while through this
 
@Emracool Yes. It's right in front of you.
....well, I lie. It's not right in front of you.
 
user61230
7:10 AM
This game is exemplary at making me feel a fool.
 
But it's obvious, and all you have to do is reach for it.
Here, try this. Make a list of everything on the upper level.
 
user61230
HARGHN. I mean... yes, but asliejfliasfjalsifjlsaf
 
It shouldn't take long.
Then cross off everything on the list that you've experimented with.
 
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Pathway, two large tubes, three small tubes, and that one weird and unexplained room.
 
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Which leaves the pathway which is sealed off, and the strange small tube that I can't change from the lake.
 
7:15 AM
Ah, sorry, not what I meant.
Go up to the upper level and make a list of everything in arm's reach as you explore it.
 
user61230
I don't have access to the upper level pathway, only that weird room, if that wasn't clear
 
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But besides that, it's just the fan, the platform, the pebbles, the lever in that room, then... some rocks outside of that
 
I know exactly where you are, and you haven't listed everything in arm's reach.
Go back in to the fan/pebbles/lever area and walk back out onto the balcony, slowly. Write down what you see.
While you do so, keep in mind where the outside upper-level walkway should be in relation to you.
 
user61230
OH MY GODS THAT IS SUCH A
 
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SLEIFJSLEIJFSLEIFJLS
 
user61230
7:19 AM
.......found it
 
Every other door in the game closes itself behind you.
And now, I'm off to a Riḍván party. ttfn
 
user61230
Have fun, if it's appropriate! If not, may it go well!
 
user61230
And thank you so much again!
 
12:40 PM
@Emracool Fun was had!
 

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