Being unfair, mean, etc. etc., if that is what happened, is only misogeny if it is done because someone is a woman.

@gnasher729 if we lived in a fair world, without unconscious biases,you would be correct.

This answer is reaching so far not even mister fantastic can stretch that long.

@jo1storm In the real world, gnasher is also correct.

@user76284 no he is not. This is real world. There can be unconscious misogyny. Which is my point. OP doesn't think he was unfair, mean etc, etc. Actual woman that was present in that meeting thinks he was and told him so, gently and with as much tact as possible. Which he refused to acknowledge and so they ran in circles.

@jo1storm Yes, they are. It is you who is wrong. You simply assume it was misogyny, without any evidence whatsoever to support your assertion, simply because he was male and the coworker was female. For that reason, you seem to be a misandrist.

@user76284 misandrist? I'm a man. I just tell you that the options are not just "He was consciously misogynistic and if he were not consciously misogynistic, therefore his unfair treatment is not misogyny." and "He was fair and balanced, nothing to see here." He exploded on a woman, another woman present considered it out of the line and told him not to repeat and why. He disagreed, they went in circles about it and it still bothers him to this day. In real world, people have subconscious biases. He just let his out in the open in a moment of frustration. And is now trying to justify himself.

@jo1storm "misandrist? I'm a man." So?

@jo1storm "He exploded on a woman" So? That doesn't mean it was misogynist. Do you think if he "exploded on a man", it would be misandrist? You don't seem to know what "misogyny" means.

@jo1storm "people have subconscious biases. He just let his out in the open in a moment of frustration." That's just your baseless, unsubstantiated assertion.

@gnasher729 Correct. It's frankly incredible that people like jo1storm can't understand basic definitions. Or perhaps it's reluctance to admitting they have a double standard for ideological reasons.

@user76284 You know what? I'm done with this discussion. I'll try to explain to you one more time in a different way and I'm gone. Do you have any idea how much of an a-hole and plain wrong a male manager in male dominated industry had to be for a female employee (good friend or not) to speak out against it in the 90s? I'll tell you. A lot. And they still went around in circles about it, which meant that he didn't think he had done anything wrong even after that. So every self-justification that comes from that guy 24 years after the fact can be safely discarded. And that's it, I'm done.

@jo1storm Now you're deflecting with a red herring and non-sequitur. You dodge the questions I asked because you know you'd embarrass yourself by answering them.

@user76284 no, that's not a red herring.And it is not a dodge either. A misogynist is as misogynist does. An a-hole is as a-hole does too. The fact that he thought he was fair and balanced and justified and he still tries to justify his behavior as "Well, I was like that to everyone!" 24 years later tells me a lot about what type of manager he is. I worked with those "I call a spade a spade, just a straight-talker me, and I am a-hole shouter to everyone equally" types before. And I left quickly every time, too. Had that privilege to be able to leave.

@jo1storm I thought you were "done" and "gone"? Amusing. Yes, your comment is a red herring. And yes, you dodged my questions again. If someone berates a woman, it must be "misogynist", but if they berate a man, it's not misandrist. You have a double standard, nothing more.

@user76284 it is not about a double standard. I clearly said that he shouldn't have berated anyone in public. And I can bet you dollars to donuts he had never "explained how this wasted time from everyone in the room" to a man either. And that it didn't end on that "explanation" too. You constantly ignore the fact that a woman decided to speak against that treatment. I don't know why you ignore it, because it is the core of the issue. Women (especially in male-dominated industries) as a rule don't speak out unless something is seriously wrong. And that's irl fact. And yeah, I'm done. Bye.

@jo1storm Yes it is. You claim someone is misogynist simply because they berated a woman, but not misandrist because they berated a man. You have a hypocritical double standard.

@user76284 again, I said you shouldn't berate ANYONE in public. And again, you are ignoring the real world. In perfect world, it would be so. There would be equal starting positions. In real world, there are not. The experience is not the same, the effects of the same action is not the same on different people. And as I said, I'm done. "I don't see gender" means you are ignoring different experience and different setbacks of people of opposite gender. "None are so blind who do not want to see." So bye. Keep replying the same thing and going in circles, I won't be answering.

@jo1storm You keep saying "I'm done" but keep coming back. I'm starting to think you're not a man of your word... And yes, you claimed OP is misogynist simply because they berated a woman, but not misandrist for berating a man. You have a hypocritical double standard: It is misogynist to berate a woman but not misandrist to berate a man.

Let us continue this discussion in chat.

What? No, berating people in public is a form of violence. I bet that he usually doesn't berate other employees in public by telling them they have been wasting everyone's time. And I bet it didn't end on that, but that he used many other words and sentences too, in his moment of frustration. He does the opposite of good advice, berates a lot in public while praises a little in private. And I don't think that is a good way to lead any team. @user76284

@jo1storm Saying "I bet that…" is not evidence. Are you seriously unable to understand that you simply asserting something isn't evidence for it? And none of them prove misogyny or bias either, which is the topic of discussion and the unsubstantiated accusation you leveled.