The Comms Room

cole

12:01 AM

@MichaelHampton Is Billerica a short commute from you?

Michael Hampton

@cole The Massachusetts border is 30 minutes away.

Billerica would be about 35-40 minutes in good traffic

I think

Lowell is 35 minutes, anyway

Now in rush hour, double that...or more

cole

That's where a potential new job is for me - I'm right off 495 though. The other job is in Waltham.

Michael Hampton

It's a short enough trip from Nashua or even Salem

Yeah, Google says 40 minutes, straight down 3

It would be about 15 from South Nashua

jscott

12:17 AM

@RyJones Yeah, that's one of my few vivid memories from childhood. There was an Apple ][ lab in the library. Some other kid came into the lab and said "The shuttle blew up!" and I said something like "You mean it launched?" ps. my condolences to your wallet, Re: feline insulin bills.

Ry Jones

@jscott thanks. I may put him down soon.

jscott

@cole Oh? Did you interview today also? I've not read the full transcript yet.

cole

@jscott phone interview

jscott

@cole Went well I take it?

cole

Went great. They're looking for a Sr level Windows guy that can work with Solaris/Linux guys

jscott

12:19 AM

Glad to hear.

cole

Also a SaaS company

jscott

Won't hurt to get a little cloud added to your resume.

cole

Yeah both will be cloud stuff

Both has very large (Fortune 100) customers.

So I'm excited.

I'll lose my 12 minute commute but I'll also get my nights/weekends back and get to work on some cool stuff

jscott

12 minutes?! That's way too short. Good job upgrading the commute time.

cole

12:38 AM

Yeah I go home on lunch a lot lol

However, I noticed I had more time to wind down with a longer commute

Michael Hampton

Needing a longer commute to wind down is a bad sign.

Mark Henderson

@cole Depends on the stress level of the commute

jscott

Yeah 12 minutes, you can listen to like what, 3-4 tracks? Not even a whole segment if news/talk radio is your thing.

cole

Well, I always feel like I'm working since I get called A LOT

jscott

Time to change your number!

cole

12:41 AM

Wish I could.

On call is part of my job.

jscott

Not for long...

Mark Henderson

My commute beats yours at the moment @cole, my trip is 9 minutes on a bad day. But when my commute was an hour on the train, it was such a good feeling to sink into the gross, sweaty overcrowded train and ignore incoming phone calls, knowing that for the next hour there is literally nothing for me to do

But when I had to drive for an hour, all I wanted to do was murder puppies when I got home

cole

It seems both places kinda let you pick your schedule

Stack Exchange

12:57 AM

myotherpcisacloud.com: Modifying Permissions on Windows Services Pt I

posted on October 29, 2014 by ryan

I'm going to jot down some quick notes on modifying the permissions on Windows services, because I don't think I have written anything about it here before. Many times, we find ourselves wanting to delegate some administrative activity on a server to another admin or group of admins, but we don't want to give them full administrative control over the entire server. We need to delegat…

Mark Henderson

2:20 AM

So on Monday I had a phone conference with a client, and on the call was the project manager and a VP. I've just been told that the whole time the CEO was in the same room as the everyone else at the other company and was directing the course of the meeting without my knowledge.

I feel like that's unethical. Right?

To take advantage of a blind meeting so that you can subvert the conversation

Ry Jones

yes

Is the CEO your CEO?

Mark Henderson

@RyJones Fuck no

This company doesn't even have a CEO

It was their CEO

Ry Jones

@MarkHenderson We do a roll call on all conference calls, and I expect it to be complete.

Mark Henderson

And I'm pretty sure that at some stage i said "I'm pretty sure Andrew doesn't know what he wants" (andrew being the CEO)

@RyJones Yeah we did toop

Ry Jones

@MarkHenderson So they lied to you directly.

Sounds like a client you don't need

Mark Henderson

2:26 AM

@RyJones I have a few of them

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Ewwwww.

Mark Henderson

@RyJones They'll just tell me that he wasn't there at roll call and came in later without announcing it

And cos they were crowded around a speakerphone there was no telltalle baboop when someone else joins

Ry Jones

@MarkHenderson I don't trust them.

when someone enters our meeting room, we find a way to let people know

saying "oh, Andrew just joined us" takes no time

Mark Henderson

@RyJones I've no doubt in my mind it was very, very deliberate and subversive on their behalf

These people have been trouble makers for a while. Constantly trying to shift blame for things that are clearly in their court

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson Sounds like the sort of customer you should get rid of, and fast.

Mark Henderson

2:41 AM

@MichaelHampton Not my decision

And firing a client half way through their deployment will get us a very bad name as everyone in their industry knows eachother

Michael Hampton

Oh, and Red Hat/CentOS... exactly why is firmware for ancient wireless NICs included in a minimal server installation?

Mark Henderson

There's another piece of software called {redacted} and we've been stealing their customers left right and center. In a few niche industries word got around about our software and our migration tools to get data out of {redacted} and into our product. But the same works in reverse.

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton: I'd guess "In case"

Michael Hampton

In case my server has an old wi-fi card in it?

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek A server shouldn't have a WiFi card except in exceptional circumstances anyway

Journeyman Geek

2:48 AM

Clearly ;p

Unless its an intel Pro 2100. In which case I'd wonder what the heck?

Michael Hampton

2601:6:1f80:dcc::293 - - [28/Oct/2014:22:23:57 -0400] "GET /centos/7/os/x86_64/Packages/iwl2000-firmware-18.168.6.1-34.el7.noarch.rpm HTTP/1.1" 200 235424 "-" "urlgrabber/3.10 yum/3.4.3" "-"

Journeyman Geek

....

2000?

Damn, that thing belongs in a museum.

Mark Henderson

Well at least it's not the venerable NE2000

That fucker dates from like '93

And I used to have a whole stack of them

Journeyman Geek

Alas, most of my ethernet cards are pci and realtek

and the one system I can use them on goes completely batshit when I use the pci slot on it.

Mark Henderson

Oh wow the NE2000 is from '87

Ah I had the NE2000Ts which were a later design. Love you wikipedia

NE2000

The NE1000/NE2000 is an early line of low cost Ethernet network cards originally produced by Novell. Its popularity had a significant impact on the pervasiveness of networks in computing. They are based on a National Semiconductor prototype design using their 8390 Ethernet chip. == History == In the late 1980s, Novell was looking to shed its hardware server business and transform its flagship NetWare product into a PC-based server operating system that was agnostic and independent of the physical network implementation and topology (Novell even referred to NetWare as a NOS, or "network operating...

Michael Hampton

2:54 AM

I was still stuffing NE2000 clones into PCs in 1995

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton I think I was using them for coax until about '99

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Mark Henderson

Then I convincned my Dad that a 10Mbps hub was the way to go

Journeyman Geek

I feel young now ;p

lol

Mark Henderson

Because every few weeks the coax would fuck up and we'd go hunting for the break

Journeyman Geek

2:56 AM

I think I have one of those rattling around somewhere

I PROBABLY need to throw it out

Mark Henderson

My school threw out a whole bunch of 16-port 10Mb hubs so I grabbed all of them out of the dumpster

We used to use them for LAN games

Journeyman Geek

But my first network was new enough that I used ICS so... late 90s I'd guess.

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek I've been obsessed by getting computers to talk to eachother since about '91 or '92 when I found out about this thing called The Internet where my Amstrad CPC could dial up and talk to others around the world

There was no internet in Australia for the public back then

But my god, I wanted it bad

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson: We basically were a one computer household for quite a long time

We didn't need a network

Mark Henderson

Actually the Amstrad pre-dates the internet. I think it was BBSes

Michael Hampton

2:58 AM

@MarkHenderson There was no Internet for the public for anyone in 1991-92.

Journeyman Geek

In fact, our first ethernet 'card' was a USB dongle our cable internet ptovider gave us

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton We had internet by '95

Journeyman Geek

Which was a unreliable little shit.

Michael Hampton

I should know, I was on the Internet in those days. Even had an email address.

Mark Henderson

I remember buying a magazine that had Internet Explorer on the cover disc

Michael Hampton

2:58 AM

@MarkHenderson Yeah, 95 is about when it opened to the public

Journeyman Geek

lol

I remember when they have away an IE cd with a pack of floppies.

Michael Hampton

Heh, in the mid and late 90's everywhere I lived had Ethernet cables running all over the place.

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek We got a CD-ROM in '94 and it was a big fucking deal then

2x, non-IDE

Journeyman Geek

lol

Mark Henderson

Cos Dad wanted to buy some expensive software, but it was only avaliable on CD-ROM

Michael Hampton

3:00 AM

Yeah, the CD-ROM plugged into some special port on the SoundBlaster card.

Journeyman Geek

Oh, with the remote? ;p

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton They had a Wife Acceptance Factor of 0 for my Dad

@MichaelHampton yeah and there was three different ports for the different protocols

Journeyman Geek

lol

Mark Henderson

I think ours was the Matshuita protocol or something

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson I didn't have that problem, fortunately.

Mark Henderson

3:00 AM

And then you had to fuck around with mscdex and cdrom.sys

lol

mscdex /d:MSCD001

The memories.

@MarkHenderson Only long enough to get a copy of LOADLIN off the CD-ROM to boot it into Linux.

Mark Henderson

I think the sys file, or mscdex, took the DMA/IRQ configs as well

@MichaelHampton lol I remember I first learned about Unix in '97 when my friend got FreeBSD on a magazine cover disc. I was so not interested. I didn't learn about Linux till about '99 with RedHat

Michael Hampton

3:02 AM

Because back then you couldn't actually boot from a CD-ROM. Even Windows 95 CDs shipped with a floppy to boot the installer.

Mark Henderson

I wish I had taken the time to learn

I also had a teacher who tried really hard to teach me about TCP/IP back in '00 and I basically ignored him cos I wasn't interested. Oh how I wish I had paid attention.

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson I first saw UNIX at uni.. in 1991. I was addicted.... though it might have had something to do with not being allowed to touch it.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton lol yeah I had forgotten about that

Michael Hampton

And the 98 CD had a tool on it to make the boot floppy.

Probably the 95 one did as well, but I don't remember

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton I used to be able to do format a: /q sys a: copy c:\autoexec.bat a:` copy c:\config.sys a:` in about 10 seconds flat

Michael Hampton

3:05 AM

@MarkHenderson Oh dear gawd

Mark Henderson

I used to have a floppy disk box filled with different boot disks - one for minimal MSDOS 5, one for MSDOS6, one for PQMagic, one for DOS 6 with HiMem and CD-ROM support

Michael Hampton

In about 93 I bought a box of 100 floppies, went to the uni computer lab, and downloaded Slackware.

Mark Henderson

All for rescuing different situations

@MichaelHampton My first '95 install was on floppy. Not sure why because we had a CD-ROM by that stage

Maybe it was into a computer that didn't have the CD-ROM

Michael Hampton

I was also running a BBS at the time and had managed to jack it into USENET

Mark Henderson

I imagine that jacking off to UseNet was much slower than it is today

Michael Hampton

3:08 AM

Yes, that it was

Mark Henderson

I also remember in about '00 or '01 regularly not being able to get onto the internet because you'd get an engaged signal when you called

Michael Hampton

Heh, didn't have that problem; I'd gotten a cable modem at the time...and also happened to work for that ISP

Mark Henderson

Or not being able to get on the internet when you were interstate because the ISP only had a POP in Victoria and you were in a different state and long-distance calls were prohibitivily expensive

Oh my god I don't miss the old days

I just remembered the multiple times I cut the webbing on my thumb open trying to change the DMA/IRQ jumpers on a sound card/network card/hdd controller/serial port card by not taking it out of the chassis

Michael Hampton

Around 01 or 02 I picked up a PCMCIA wireless card for my laptop. I was usually able to find a hotspot...

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton My Dad had a friend with 802.11b in '01 and we were insanely jelous. He also had 256kbps ADSL at the time

Michael Hampton

3:11 AM

The delicious irony there is it was a Microsoft wireless card and I only ever used it with Linux

Mark Henderson

So in '03 I got a 802.11-draft-G card and smoked him with my 54Mbps

Michael Hampton

I no longer have that card, but I have the PCMCIA 802.11g card I replaced it with, in the junkbox.

But I can't remember the last time I saw a laptop with a PCMCIA slot.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton in '04 I got a bit obsessed by FreeBSD, but I remember how much of an impossibility it was to get WiFi working unless you had exactly the right Atheros chipset and recompiled the kernel

That's where my love/hate relationship with *nix really started

Holy shit that was 10 years ago

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson It wasn't too different with Linux... You had to be really careful what card you bought, as only some of them worked. Today, not a problem, you can use pretty much anything. But back then...

But yeah, around 93 I finally managed to scrounge up Internet access from various places. Which wasn't easy. And my first email address back then ended in navy.mil...but I have never been associated with the US Navy in any way.

I got a copy of the Yanoff list from somewhere and then you couldn't possibly keep me off the Internet.

BigHomie

You guys are old.

Michael Hampton

3:20 AM

I bought my first domain in 1996...and had DNS service donated by a couple of sysadmin friends at two different .edu's...

... I'm also the only person I know who has ever had a .int email.

Alas, they started actually enforcing the requirement to be a treaty organization...

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton I learned something new

I'd never heard of that before

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson He stopped doing that list when Yahoo came around, as it was no longer necessary.

But at the end, it was a monster text file.

Mark Henderson

I bet Yahoo used his list to seed their search engine

I was never really into Yahoo. I was an Altavista person because they had a .au domain name

I've no idea if they prioritised AU sites or content, but it won me over

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson Here's one from late 1993

Mark Henderson

And then in about '03 my Dad showed me this newfangled search engine called "Google" and we all know how the ended up

> The Internet Complete Reference is 800 pages of information for just $29.95.

Impressive

I wonder if he made much money off his book

Michael Hampton

3:29 AM

Oh god, I recognize that IP address...

Mark Henderson

Wow look at all that telnet...

Michael Hampton

..and the guy who ran that gopher server was a first class, Grade A Assmunch.

Mark Henderson

I wonder how many of those resources are still active

Michael Hampton

Firefox can't find the server at oak.oakland.edu.

Mark Henderson

Aahh, FTP. Teaching people how to spell anonymous since the dawn of the internet

Michael Hampton

3:34 AM

Firefox can't find the server at wuarchive.wustl.edu.

I still spell anonymous ftp

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton I've been randomly telnetting them

I'm sure I could whip up a script to test it properly

Michael Hampton

I was trying to hit FTP sites

Well, Sunsite is still up, though it got renamed a while back...

And if you really want to go back...hit up textfiles.com

Mark Henderson

telnet psupen.psu.edu
telnet caticsuf.csufresno.edu
telnet eureka.clemson.edu
telnet empire.cce.cornell.edu
telnet idea.ag.uiuc.edu (Login: flood) See FLOOD Below
telnet ttnbbs.rtpnc.epa.gov
telnet cast.uark.edu
telnet gopher.unomaha.edu (Select UNO Student Org...)
telnet duat.gtefsd.com
telnet duats.gtefsd.com
telnet pac.carl.org
telnet amdalinz.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at
telnet columbia.ilc.com
telnet holonet.net
telnet books.com
telnet netmark.com
telnet library.dartmouth.edu
telnet echo.lu
telnet netec.mcc.ac.uk    (Login: netec)

Some manual exception handling required, but I stripped out most of the cruft with some powershell

Michael Hampton

Back in the day, for someone in the US to talk to someone in Australia involved... MONEY, and lots of it. This sort of casual chat would have been unthinkable...until people like us built the infrastructure that makes it possible.

Mark Henderson

telnet psupen.psu.edu
telnet caticsuf.csufresno.edu
telnet eureka.clemson.edu
telnet empire.cce.cornell.edu
telnet idea.ag.uiuc.edu
telnet ttnbbs.rtpnc.epa.gov
telnet cast.uark.edu
telnet gopher.unomaha.edu
telnet duat.gtefsd.com
telnet duats.gtefsd.com
telnet pac.carl.org
telnet amdalinz.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at
telnet columbia.ilc.com
telnet holonet.net
telnet books.com
telnet netmark.com
telnet library.dartmouth.edu
telnet echo.lu
telnet netec.mcc.ac.uk
telnet infopath.ucsd.edu
telnet a2i.rahul.net

There we go, exceptions handled

@MichaelHampton There was a thing a while back celebrating the 20th anniversary of Australia's first permanant internet link via 56k microwave

Or was it 25th anniversary? I forget

Michael Hampton

3:49 AM

@MarkHenderson 25th it appears

Mark Henderson

Holy fuck

Found an active one

Oh, it's holonet

Of course they're still active

Found another one, a2i.rahul.net

Buuuut it kicked me out as soon as I tried to type

Bob

Ok, I've procrastinated enough. starts fucking around with e-tax

Mark Henderson

@Bob If you can use the new mytax system your tax return will take all of 30 minutes, tops

Michael Hampton

textfiles.com/100/balls.txt

Mark Henderson

Most of that is spent setting up your accounts

Bob

3:57 AM

> Our records indicate you do not satisfy the criteria to lodge your income tax return using this service.

nfi why

Mark Henderson

@Bob poop

Bob

@MarkHenderson Yes, poop.

It'd be nice if they told me why -_-

Michael Hampton

4:14 AM

I have linked an excel file with all measurements as output by siege — Onitlikesonic 8 mins ago

Kill me now

Bob

Hm. Where did my PDF printer go o.O

Ahhh, Adobe. Only you could manage over 5 GB for something like this.

Mark Henderson

4:39 AM

Two of those telnet servers were still alive. Holonet and one that didn't actually do anything

Michael Hampton

5:53 AM

> Caveat: this book is full of foul language. One chapter is called "Why The User Model Is Fucked." There are also garish, violent, and sexual metaphors involving raccoons, bananas, anal sex, dangerous machinery, weapons, and tentacles.

Journeyman Geek

6:39 AM

@MichaelHampton What book is this? ;p

And more importantly, is there a metaphor with all or most of those?

Jenny D

7:19 AM

morning

Iain

G'day

Jenny D

@MichaelHampton Which book is that? I think I need it.

@Iain I finally got around to measuring my horse. He's 164 cm.

Iain

@JennyD That's 16.1 / 16.2 a nice size. Does he have much more growing to do ?

Jenny D

@Iain No, he's six years old now so he shouldn't get any higher. He'll probably bulk out a little in the next couple of years, though, but hopefully not too much.

Iain

That's nice, how is the training coming along ?

Jenny D

7:32 AM

@Iain It's going very well. We're now at the point where I can spend some 30-45 minutes actually working him, even without the trainer - so both he and I have learned quite a bit during the past year. We don't get as much trail riding done now though, I can only do that during the weekends for the next six months or so.

Iain

yeah winter :(

Jenny D

Add in autumn storms and it gets even less fun. I was out this weekend and ended up having to get down and walk with him part of the way, he got totally spooked by all the sudden gusts of wind moving stuff around and bringing new smells.

@HopelessN00b yeah, you can drink for lots of reasons (mine being that "I drink it if it tastes good") I meant "if you use it as an excuse why you do stuff that you wouldn't do sober".

Jenny D

8:51 AM

@Iain I've been working a bit with mental training too. I've had the tendency after a ride to remember and focus on the stuff that didn't work. This is useful in my job, it's how I do debugging and so on... but when it comes to riding, it makes me feel dissatisfied and incompetent and I take only bad feelings with me. So I've made a habit of noting everything that went well and re-playing those things in my mind, instead of re-playing the stuff that didn't work.

It's made a huge difference.

Iain

9:06 AM

@JennyD That's sort of normal - our instructor will always end of the positives (no matter now small they may have been). Fortunately, these days, for what we do the positives generally outweigh the negatives. She will make a comment o the negatives but then go on to the positives

Jenny D

9:25 AM

@Iain That's a good instructor. Mine always does that, too; even if we've had a really crap lesson, she'll end it with something that I and the horse actually can do well and make sure to praise us. The thing is I've not been doing that to myself before... as usual, we're kinder to others than to ourselves.

Chopper3

9:52 AM

is this guy's comment on my 'answer' valid do you think? serverfault.com/a/463747/1435

Journeyman Geek

You shouldn't do this is a valid answer imo

Chopper3

fair enough, thank you

tombull89

why he's looking at 18-month-old questions is another thing...

Journeyman Geek

also its a bloody silly way to do it

You should either be using lvm or something similar or just add another disk image

Iain

10:34 AM

Do people still use token ring ?

Chopper3

I imagine some manufacturing plant in nebraska does - I found a 'reset tool/ring-fucker' in a box only about two years ago

Iain

-1

Q: Restrict Access from certain machines to my Web Application in LAN

I am trying to deploy a Local Network web application, which should not necessitate a client login. The requirement is to block certain machines, (not users, just a few computers, the application doesnot have a login page, so users are anonymous) in the LAN from accessing the application. The L...

The op says their LAN topology is Token ring - it's ... very smelly

Feels like the OP is being evasive like it's a homework question

Chopper3

does seem odd

"Chopper'2 Razor" is "Unless proven otherwise assume the OP is an idiot"

5

RobM

My poor assistant mis-spoke today about someone having to "prostate themselves" in front of our idiot boss instead of "prostrate themselves".

He's quite upset that I liked the idea of people having to 'prostate themselves' and have referred to it several times already today.

tombull89

Hey, the 80's called...they want their token ring back.

Chopper3

10:42 AM

:)

Jenny D

@RobM ...and here comes AO3 visiting the Comms Room again :-)

Chopper3

?

Jenny D

10:58 AM

@Chopper3 Archive Of Our Own. The internet's best repository for gay slashfic.

not that I spend an inordinate amount of time there cough

Chopper3

what?

tombull89

o.O

Iain

> Yes, i understand that topology layout is alarmingly old, but i cannot change that. This is for a client in the banking domain.I need a quick/dirty solution if i can find one

hmm quick & dirty != secure

Jenny D

@Iain I get the connection between "banking" and "alarmingly old, can't change"... I don't really get how "quick/dirty solution" fits with banking, though

Iain

No, nor me. Although the OP has now edited the Token Ring out of the question - it's very messy.

RobM

11:03 AM

@JennyD probably, though I was thinking more along the lines of certain people being executed by shotgun blast up the ass.

Jenny D

@RobM You have your kinks, I have mine...

2

RobM

@JennyD :)

Jenny D

In related news, I noticed a while ago that the people in Supernatural carry extra spare phones in case some monster takes their phone. It amazes me that the people in Person of Interest have not figured that one out. And yes, I'll need to work it into the crossover fic I've got lying around...

RobM

phone-based slashfic plots? oh my!

Jenny D

@RobM The actual plot isn't phone-based; I was just thinking about Dean being snarky about Reese not having the sense to carry a backup.

Chopper3

12:01 PM

@JennyD My wife, daughter and her boyfriend are OBSESSED with 'Supernatural', daughter bought her boyfriend a full 'Cass' (??) outfit and they've nagged me to get them loads of the new series ahead of time - I don't get it myself

tombull89

@Chopper3 since we got Sky the housemates have been watching Lost from season 1.

And...what's the vampire one? True Blood.

Chopper3

@tombull89 We went to the beach where lost was filmed once, and yes, True Blood - quite dirty

Jenny D

12:20 PM

@Chopper3 It's a mostly fun series. Especially pretty much everything with Cas(tiel) and/or Crowley.

Michael Hampton

@JennyD Software As A Disservice: Fixing A Broken Rails App

@JourneymanGeek

HopelessN00b

> I wrote it while fixing the app in question, and if you think it's possible to fix legacy code without swearing a lot, you're either some supernatural entity of the holy variety yourself, or you're fucking dreaming.

True story.

tombull89

so many stripped threads in this laptop...

Michael Hampton

He forgot "drinking a lot", which also happens when fixing legacy code.

HopelessN00b

Since you're around, can you drop some mod fire on this, before I give in to the temptation to tell this guy how vile he is?

-1

Q: Ping Requested Time out-winserver2012

i have a small setup of network and i have a distributed software from the server (windows server 2012), i can not able to ping the server from client PC for last 3 day's actually it's fluctuating , i have change the port , and change the CAT6 cable , some time working and it's get's fail, (1 ...

windows-server-2012

tombull89

12:28 PM

@HopelessN00b PLEASE SEND ME TEH SOLUTION?!!!?!?!!!!

teh solution. he wants it.

HopelessN00b

@tombull89 Yeah. And on top of that, it's a "halp, I can't ping teh server!" question anyway. I hope he burns to death when that server catches fire. >:/

tombull89

so I've got 400GB of RAM in my office...too bad it's all in 2GB modules of laptop RAM D:

HopelessN00b

@tombull89 Related:

2

Q: What can I do with a bunch of old 1GB/512MB DDR2 RAM sticks?

I've been a parts-hoarder for too long, and buy stuff when I shouldn't. As a result, I have a whole bunch of relatively small denominations of RAM lying around. I've got like 10 or 12 SO-DIMM laptop DDR2 sticks at 512MB, about the same amount of desktop DDR2, and a couple of 1GB sticks. They're s...

memory ddr2 sodimm spare-parts

ewwhite

0

Q: Failed actions on STONITH resource monitors with fence_vmware_soap "Timed Out" status

I'm setting up a 5-node pacemaker/corosync cluster on virtual machines with multicast udp totem communication. The O/S is CentOS 7. I use fence_vmware_soap for fencing and it all appears to work satisfactorily. I've tested it by taking down the ethernet interface of a node with ifconfig {ifname...

cluster pacemaker corosync fencing

HopelessN00b

Hell, I'm thinking about doing that myself. All those old RAM DIMMs around the office feel like such a waste.

tombull89

12:33 PM

For the Newer DDR2, you could use something like the Acard which supports up to 8 sticks of DDR2 (64gb total) and turns it into an SSD.

huh, interesting.

HopelessN00b

Yeah, I thought so too. Cheap 64 GB SSD/RAMdisk's not a bad idea.

@ewwhite Huh, Google doesn't know either.

cole

Morning

HopelessN00b

Yes, yes, it is. And an 08:48 to you too.

ewwhite

12:49 PM

@HopelessN00b I can't even imagine what he's doing

HopelessN00b

> Pacemaker is an Open Source, High Availability resource manager suitable for both small and large clusters.

Nathan C

Possibility of snow this weekend...and I don't have the cash to get my snow tires mounted. This'll be fun. :p

HopelessN00b

Not sure, but it looks like he's confused about, or trying to set up this PaceMaker thing without actually knowing what it does, at even a basic level.

ewwhite

It's too much clustering... on top of clustering

Back at Logicworks, clients would do that... having two sides of an application HA pair on top of the vSphere cluster...

and silly things like having multiple NICs inside the VMs and using bonding inside the virtual machines.

Journeyman Geek

0_0

WHY?

ewwhite

1:01 PM

because they wanted HIGH AVAILABILITY

Journeyman Geek

@HopelessN00b I'm surprised more modern alternatives don't exist

Dennis Nolte

@ewwhite could you please enhance my knowledge and spare 1-2 sentences why the bonding on virtual interfaces is a bad idea?

ewwhite

@DennisNolte sure...

HopelessN00b

@JourneymanGeek probably because these days if you want an SSD... you can just buy an SSD for 80 bucks.

ewwhite

@DennisNolte imagine you have a VMware host with multiple uplinks to a switch or group of physical switches...

HopelessN00b

1:07 PM

@DennisNolte Because BSDM makes baby Jesus cry.

Basil

morning

ewwhite

@DennisNolte The VM's are connected to that virtual switch...

and the uplinks from that switch are already load-balanced and configured for failover...

so bonding inside the VM is unnecessary since VMware's networking already takes care of that.

In the example pasted above, it's LACP... but standard VMware installs have network failover built in.

Dennis Nolte

@ewwhite hmm, but on a bare metal it would be a SPOF if they did not do it or am i wrong on that?

ewwhite

exactly.

bonding makes sense on baremetal

Dennis Nolte

ok so i just did not known that VMware already does this.

thank you.

ewwhite

1:09 PM

with physical VMware hosts, you still run multiple network connections...

Dennis Kaarsemaker

ewwhite

Dennis Kaarsemaker

I finally have Red Hat red hat :)

ewwhite

I would have felt better if you were holding a penguin...

Dennis Nolte

makes sense, i really should care more about anything else than xen on virtualisation.
But until now i did not need to actually learn about it.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

1:11 PM

@ewwhite I do have a 3ft plush penguin

ewwhite

@DennisKaarsemaker for work or play?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@ewwhite a bit of both

ewwhite

Now I know.

should I be on Slack?

TheCleaner

Well, I felt like laying the smack down...but I digressed:

Why would you ever let anyone use their own equipment for any business reason. — HLGEM 17 hours ago

Basil

so a sprinkler on the floor above the datacenter broke. We had a flood. The only part of the datacenter that ended up with water on it was the battery room, but if it had caused a short or something, we'd have had to declare a disaster...

ewwhite

1:19 PM

@Basil Oh my gosh

Basil

@ewwhite I saw pictures- our facilities people don't show up quickly after hours, so a very senior manager was crawling around in the ceiling turning knobs trying to stop the water

Nathan C

@Basil Yikes...

ewwhite

@Basil if anything, it'll make for a good story

Nathan C

How do sprinklers just...break?

jscott

Nice translation:

0

A: Changing non-root user passwords from root (if you don't know the old password?)

Hola para saber la contraseña de Root tienen que ir a la casa del vecino y pedirle una tasa de te y un poco de azucar. Despues hierven agua 5 minutos y lo vierten con un poco de azucar y listo ahora pueden sentarse a tomar un rico brebaje de agua azucarada mientras recuerdan el pass del root. :)

ewwhite

1:22 PM

@Basil Can you tell me more about the drone/Linux/engineer job?

Basil

@ewwhite Maybe- I know the guy leading the project and the current sysadmin... I know what they're trying to do. What question did you have?

@NathanC This one is in a bathroom that's being renovated. They're high pressure, so presumably it was weakened by work during the day.

Nathan C

Hm, a bathroom above the battery room with lots o' volts in it

:p

ewwhite

@Basil have him give me a call :)

Also...

Linux 3.11.0-15-generic #25~precise1-Ubuntu SMP — Rick Stone 28 secs ago

Basil

@ewwhite Send me an email with your contact info

ewwhite

I want more people to just go to AskUbuntu :)

Dennis Nolte

1:27 PM

@jscott lol

@Basil got it

thanks

lol

Ouch @Basil - I'm surprised around the datacenter it isn't a "dry pipe" secondary system where water isn't even in the sprinkler lines until required by the secondary fire systems.

tombull89

@Basil hey, we've got sprinkers in our server room

4 1/2 years and no leaks!

Nathan C

1:34 PM

@tombull89 We have nothing

...except a fire extinguisher..

tombull89

course if we had a) a fire and b) sprinklers going off, that would be a major trip on the nope boat.

Nathan C

@tombull89 bzzzzzzt goes thousands of dollars of equipment (literally) up in smoke

Jenny D

@MichaelHampton Thanks

Michael Hampton

I decided not to buy it. I'm not really into raccoons or tentacles.

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cole

>.>

Iain

1:40 PM

Does the pastebin link in serverfault.com/questions/640492/… cause anyone else's AV to block it ?

cole

@Iain nope - but Symantec never blocks anything...so

Michael Hampton

@Iain It ought to do, since it's malware!

Iain

yeah -mine went off

TheCleaner

No block here either

cole

Just proves Symantec sucks.

Thinking about paying for this out of my own pocket: windowsitpro.com/…

TheCleaner

1:45 PM

Mine is Trend Micro...and no block

HopelessN00b

@cole Probably not gonna be much help to you, I'd think.

> You will be able to carry out common administrative tasks such as restarting a service, reporting on the amount of free drive space on a server, and terminating unwanted processes.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Iain clamav blocks the raw version

cole

@HopelessN00b oh right, I know how to do all that already.

Doh

HopelessN00b

Yeah, you need a more advanced class.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

<div id="cot_tl_fixed"><marquee>Shell - *Dr.Backd00r*  - SubhashDasyam.com</marquee></div>

Michael Hampton

1:50 PM

When asking questions on Stack Exchange, "title" does not mean "job title"...

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Iain

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if( strpos('Linux', $kernel) !== false )
    $millink .= urlencode( 'Linux Kernel ' . substr($release,0,6) );
else
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HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton Developers. Sorry, I mean "software engineers."

tombull89

@MichaelHampton can you delete chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/18364670#18364670 and chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/18364682#18364682 of Choppers?

Michael Hampton

@tombull89 Now I wonder what I missed...

Iain

@MichaelHampton nothing you probably haven't got something similar to already

Michael Hampton

1:57 PM

@Iain Actually I don't...but I might want them later!

TheCleaner

Hey chat room....too harsh?

OP, I'd strongly suggest you dive into as much of the CLI and System documentation as you can on Juniper's site. All of your questions have been basic questions about one of Juniper's products. While ServerFault is here to assist, the goal is not to simply spoon feed admins that are learning to use a new product. — TheCleaner 22 secs ago

Iain

@TheCleaner nope, not at all - needs to be said more often

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