The Comms Room

Joel E Salas

12:03 AM

What should I do in the demo part of my talk!

Jacob

@JoelESalas What?

Joel E Salas

@Jacob I'm doing a talk about automation, I would like to do a demo

Jacob

@JoelESalas Where?

Joel E Salas

@Jacob Cal Poly Pomona

ewwhite

12:25 AM

@JoelESalas Just wing it!

Matt Bear

sql server SP install!! wheeee

WesleyDavid

@ewwhite Holy carpfish, talk about turndown service!

ewwhite

@WesleyDavid ServerCentral

WesleyDavid

Doin' it up big.

Will they go out and get some lunch for you?

"Here's $40, go get a Gino's deepdish. Keep the change and eat a slice on the way back."

Actually, that would be more like "Here's $80..."

My little DC is like "Oh, you're here again?"

Michael Hampton

12:42 AM

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Q: DSL routing - NAT Virtual server - port forwarding - static ip address

My NAT virtual server - port forwarding has been working fine up to the past couple of weeks. All in a sudden, it doesn't work. Setting was done as shown on the link: I'm afraid it no longer works. I can access my web services in my LAN, by typing the server's hard-wired address on the web br...

So apparently if you edit a question, it gets taken out of the close queue.

WesleyDavid

@MichaelHampton CSS change for oneboxed question in chat? That looks different.

Michael Hampton

Chat itself looks a bit different today. I keep accidentally closing the tab since the favicon is different.

Olipro

the term "port forwarding" needs to DIAF

WesleyDavid

@Olipro Why's that?

Olipro

it's just NAT

jscott

12:55 AM

@MichaelHampton Funny you say that. I thought I was just seeing things until I noticed your one boxed Q missing the SF icon.

Olipro

or NAT + PT if you're additionally mangling the port

jscott

Michael Hampton

@jscott Yeah, it's missing here too.

WesleyDavid

Same here.

jscott

@WesleyDavid dat rez olution

Do you have 20/20 vision?

WesleyDavid

12:57 AM

@jscott I have... weird vision. Far sighted in one eye, normal in the other. Used to freak out ophthalmologists ho far down the chart I could read with my left eye. However... I wear glasses now to even it out.

Dunno what it is with glasses

Michael Hampton

2

Q: Google Now "time to leave" notifications are late

When I first got my Nexus 4, the "time to leave" notifications from Google Now were reasonable. I'd get a notification at 9:30am saying that I should leave at 9:45am for a calendar appointment. After a few weeks, however, the notifications stopped arriving at a sensible time. The best case scena...

notifications calendar google-now alerts

When XKCD makes a whole comic about your software bug...

Adrian

2:26 AM

evenin' gents

WesleyDavid

2:50 AM

@Adrian WAAZZZUUUUUUUUUUUUUPPPPP

Ward

Every time I see a few bikes locked up on a rack, there's always one of them that would be suitable for @WesleyDavid. Maybe I'll just rip one off and ship it to AZ...

WesleyDavid

@Ward It would be our little secret.

@Ward It's going to be a race to see if a really good deal on a bike or a handgun comes up first this summer. Both about the same price range.

I've got, lemme think... three invoices I'm waiting to be paid?

Soo... we shall see what May brings.

sigh

Ward

IMI Desert Eagle

The Israel Military Industries Desert Eagle is a large-framed gas-operated semi-automatic pistol designed by Magnum Research in the US. Over the past 25 years, MRI has been responsible for the design and development of the Desert Eagle pistol. The design was refined and the actual pistols were manufactured by Israel Military Industries until 1995, when MRI shifted the manufacturing contract to Saco Defense in Saco, Maine. In 1998, MRI moved manufacturing back to IMI, which later reorganized under the name Israel Weapon Industries. Both Saco and IMI/IWI were strictly contractors: all of th...

WesleyDavid

3:05 AM

@Ward Yeahhhhhh, don't think that's in my budget. =P

$2 a round.

The S&W 500 is sweet too

Saw that at a Cabella's a few weeks ago

@Adrian Would you believe I'm still working on the resume series?

Adrian

Yes. I'd believe that.

@WesleyDavid And it's at Cabela's still because no other fools would buy it?

WesleyDavid

@Adrian 'spensive.

Adrian

@WesleyDavid And mostly pointless.

WesleyDavid

This is Arizona, probably someone on my street owns one.

Adrian

Better off with a nice S&W 1911.

WesleyDavid

3:16 AM

It's a novelty weapon. Fun at the range.

@Adrian And yes, that's my #1 pick. Had a buddy pick one up off a friend for $300. Very nice condition. I told him if he ever finds one for that price again, tell me.

Adrian

Ah. Well, that's a culture that I'm familiar with. Same thing happens with motorcycles.

Got an email back within 3 hours from a recruiter at a certain 3-letter storage vendor.

WesleyDavid

No way I'd handle a .50 in real life. .45 is even too much weapon, perhaps. Need to be very choosy about the ammunition you use if you intend to train and use it as protection.

@Adrian oooOOOoooo

Adrian

@WesleyDavid A nicely-balanced .45 will have less felt recoil than a 9mm.

WesleyDavid

@Adrian That's what I hear. 9mm can be rather snappy.

I've mostly only handled rifles.

Adrian

@WesleyDavid Yeah, maybe it's a faster powder. Might be that the frames are more frequently alloy or plastic instead of steel too.

But yeah, hopefully set up a phone call on Monday.

WesleyDavid

3:19 AM

@Adrian You like the responsibilities? The direction it would take you?

(Obviously, or you wouldn't have put in for it)

But still, is it a 10/10 or a "Okay, it's work"

Adrian

@WesleyDavid it's not bad. it's not the pure SysAdmin direction I've wanted to go in, but I'm not a Developer either and 95% of the Admin positions in this town wants 3-5 year of Dev work too.

WesleyDavid

@Adrian That's so strange to me.

I might expect that in the Bay Area

But then again, I never really got into Seattle tech culture much.

I was all about the grunge and coffee back then. =P

I owned so much plaid and corduroy.

Adrian

@WesleyDavid Well, folks on the east side of the mountains refer to Seattle as Upper North Fran on Puget Sound.

WesleyDavid

Did you get into Ruby a little bit lately?

Adrian

A little, but the damn recruiter phone calls every 45 minutes make it tough to focus on coding.

I'm seriously considering pulling my resume off Dice and Indeed just to shut up the baying chorus of recruiter calls.

And they're SO STUPID.

WesleyDavid

3:24 AM

Wow, 45 minutes? You're one Popular Polly.

So you're looking for more pure sysadmin and the only time you touch a language is to script something or create an administrative tool of your own design?

Or perhaps contribute code to a tool that you use

Or do you not even like to get that far into development to be making your own administration tools and tweaking through code, like, say, Puppet's codebase?

Adrian

@WesleyDavid I enjoy writing scripts to administer the systems, but most of these places are either looking for in-house Developers for their Admin teams (ie., converting to DevOps) or they're already a DevOps shop and they want someone who's already a Dev but has all the Admin knowledge too.

And a lot of places don't actually know what they want either. Especially the places were the IT/Ops Manager only has 3-4 years experience themselves. They often just don't have the breadth of experience yet to have a good grasp of what they really need.

One place I interviewed was going through a laundry list of stuff they wanted, and it was 10 years of Dev work and 10 year of network architecture and design.

WesleyDavid

@Adrian that's the worst. That uncertainty and unknown goals thing just dissipates any energy and you end up cratering.

Adrian

They STILL haven't filled the position 6 weeks later.

WesleyDavid

"Lots of thrust, no vector" as the Air Force says.

"Lots of MIPS, no I/O" as an old server op once said.

@Adrian And I bet they don't get it, nor will they ever.

Adrian

It's actually quite frustrating. The 2 places I've done in-person interviews with still have the position open 2 months later.

WesleyDavid

3:32 AM

Some poor out of work sucker is going to take the job because he needs to pay alimony and he's going to wish he had arsenic capsules to snack on before too long.

Adrian

@WesleyDavid Pretty much.

WesleyDavid

The day starts of with such promise, and before I realize it I'm watching videos of dogs humping stuffed animals.

@Adrian 28th LISA in '14 is slated for Seattle! Maybe I'll see you there.

Adrian

@WesleyDavid You're right. I'd forgotten about that.

Nowadays, it's easy enough to download all the videos though.

It is 65F outside at 9pm in Seattle. In May.

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

WesleyDavid

3:56 AM

Wow.

Adrian

@WesleyDavid Heh. It's supposed to get into the lower 80s here on Sunday. People will probably start self-combusting.

Gonna take WEEKS to re-grow my protective mildew layer after all this sunshine.

Stupid Vista. You'd think hardware drivers would have a higher priority than Flash, eh?

WesleyDavid

A'ight. Time to stop nursing this article series and get on the treadthingy.

Adrian

@WesleyDavid How long have you been working on that series?

freiheit

4:29 AM

@WesleyDavid A high of 89? That's it? It's Arizona! We got highs of 90 or 91 the past 3 days.

(to be fair, I did wait until it cooled down to 88 or so before starting my bike ride home)

@WesleyDavid treadthingy? You should get a bicycle!

Adrian

4:47 AM

Funny watching cats dream. All twitchy.

WesleyDavid

5:49 AM

@Adrian Off and on for about a year or more. =/

WesleyDavid

5:59 AM

Night, perps.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

7:52 AM

@ewwhite not quite solved yet. I have a workaround and more scorn to throw at HP and red hat. I consider it solved once one of them publishes an actual fix :)

Chopper3

10:32 AM

this seem appropriate?

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Q: Multiple Clients for Printserver

I have a network with many client PCs and many different Printers, that either have a built-in or external printserver. There are different groups of client PCs that should see only some of the printers. My initial approach was to install a CUPS server on my Linux server, install all printers...

linux printing print-server cups

ewwhite

11:17 AM

@DennisKaarsemaker One question... Did you try HP's HPSA driver?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

yeah

ewwhite

@DennisKaarsemaker Do any of the change log items apply?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

unlikely

ewwhite

Not "kmod_hpsa_make_xfs_faster=1"?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

if only there were such an option :)

Jacob

12:11 PM

Morning everyone

Chopper3

1:30 PM

Hi, can we get rid of this one please...

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Q: OS X file system accessibe by Windows 8 in a nested VM (ESXi VM inside Fusion VM)

I've set up a lab in OS X 10.8.3 using Fusion 5 to host ESXi 5.1 which in turn hosts Windows 8. I noticed that the OS X primary disk is available in Windows 8 as a network resource with r/w access. I don't understand how this can be or how to disable it. I checked these places for file sharing: ...

macosx vmware-esxi vmware-fusion vsphere-client

Kevin Soviero

I'm going to attempt to make a mocha using random crap lying around the house. Wish me luck!

ewwhite

2:46 PM

So I got a text from a friend saying, "you NEED to change your Facebook password!!". I log in and see that my account was suspended for phishing.

How the eff does that happen?

Is it all of the Facebook SSO across the web?

Is it weak APIs? Compromised sites?

Jeff Ferland

2:59 PM

@ewwhite In two weeks, I can tell you :-/

ewwhite

@JeffFerland Oh?

Jeff Ferland

@ewwhite Moved up my start date at FB and resigned from Oracle (who saw that one coming?)

ewwhite

@JeffFerland Oh, I didn't know you were looking!

What type of position?

Jeff Ferland

Operations Engineering

ewwhite

I went through ~2 months of FB interviews.

just over a year ago.

Congrats, though.

Jeff Ferland

3:02 PM

2 months? wow

I must have landed the nice recruiter.

ewwhite

@JeffFerland It was a drawn-out process.

Dude found me on LinkedIn

Jeff Ferland

One thing I've definitely learned about interviews: if you want to get through them in the same year, pit companies against each other.

Fun things that make me scratch my head: between the phone screens (cleared 2) and the on-site, Google has a hiring committee that believes I lack technical depth...

ewwhite

@JeffFerland Oh, I know the feeling... I bombed google, did okay at FB... but I've had many firms that were like, "Nope"

and quite a few offers at the same time.

It's random... and the job landscape changes.

I'm starting to get calls from firms that took a pass on me before... saying, "things changed!" or "The people involved during your process are no longer here"

Jeff Ferland

@ewwhite I like #2. "Turns out we were only hiring people who were crap."

ewwhite

@JeffFerland but it happens. I'm a bad employee, so I know that certain environments don't work for me.

Jeff Ferland

3:14 PM

I think the thing that people get the least feedback about is their role as an interviewer. People seem to believe that whatever they do after six months is The Way to Interview

Yeah, I got the feeling that I didn't quite fit the Oracle corporate culture.

ewwhite

I like to let people talk about themselves... their projects, interests, how they learn...

I think using SO/SF is a plus... so I ask to see some community participation

Lopsa, mailing lists,etc.

(very wary of engineers who have no online footprint)

Iain

@ewwhite you a LOPSA member ?

ewwhite

I guess I was/am/

Iain

what do you get out of it ?

Jacob

@Iain I got a free pass to 3 days of LISA

ewwhite

3:22 PM

@Iain nada

Iain

hmmm

ewwhite

just using it as an example :)

Iain

I guess if you live close to a chapter and make the meetings it's better but I didn't get anything from being a member when SE sponsored it

ewwhite

I use the example because I have/do work with a lot of people who don't get involved in the sysadmin community.

It's weird, but it also is a weakness/limiter to development as an engineer.

Remember, I'm coming off of TWO EMC storage failures this week...

things that were possibly a result of not being on the forums, etc.

Joel E Salas

3:42 PM

Ugh so at this rate I'll have a 401k, a Roth IRA and a traditional IRA just to come close to maxing my contributions

Kevin Soviero

3:58 PM

I want to work at RS so badly, and the further I get in the hiring process the more I get my hopes up. It's going to kill me if I make it to the final interview only to be told "Sorry, not this time..."!

ewwhite

@KevinSoviero why do you wish to work there so much?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

Happy star wars day people. May the 4th be with you.

Kevin Soviero

@ewwhite I have a friend who worked there and talks about it like it's the shining city on a hill that the whole world aspires to work therein.

ewwhite

I don't believe that... We steal customers away from Rackspace!

Kevin Soviero

@ewwhite Customers?

ewwhite

4:01 PM

people/companies leave rackspace and go to smaller firms like ours.

Kevin Soviero

@ewwhite Perhaps, but I'm more worried about the quality of life as an employee, not a customer.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@KevinSoviero but if a company is losing customers, life will be more difficult for employees

ewwhite

I'm referring to growth potential. It's a saturated market. Are you interested in the work they do at Rackspace?

Kevin Soviero

@ewwhite Yup...

ewwhite

It may make sense to investigate what their competitors are doing... if nothing more than to have good questions for their staff during the interview.

@KevinSoviero What type of role is it?

Kevin Soviero

4:03 PM

@ewwhite Linux Admin I or II... Mostly customer support.

ewwhite

Pass a link to the job spec

Just read through them...

they're so big! Lots of open positions

Kevin Soviero

@ewwhite Huh?

ewwhite

@KevinSoviero Rackspace has a ton of open positions

Kevin Soviero

@ewwhite Not in Austin, only one or two...

For someone with only 2-3 years of exp. anyway.

ewwhite

ah

Kevin Soviero

4:13 PM

@ewwhite There are almost no jobs for me that pay well. This job at Rackspace is pretty much it.

ewwhite

what's the range?

Kevin Soviero

@ewwhite Not sure I'm allowed to say. And I don't want to risk it.

ewwhite

k

@KevinSoviero so are you prepared for the interview?

Cole

Hello hello

so my "food poisoning" was actually a very contagious stomach bug. My girlfriend is currently sick as all hell.

Kevin Soviero

@ewwhite I guess? What's there to do to prepare? I've already finished and passed the technical interviews pretty well (I think), this last interview is to see if other's on the team I'll be joining will like me.

ewwhite

4:23 PM

@KevinSoviero Lots to do to prepare for interviews...

Kevin Soviero

@ewwhite Any pointers then?

ewwhite

what's the format of the next interview?

will you be onsite?

have you already been onsite?

Kevin Soviero

@ewwhite Meeting the team I'll be working with if I get the job (that's all I know), yes it's onsite, and no this will be my first time onsite.

ewwhite

Ask the person who's been coordinating the interview/application process what you should wear.

Kevin Soviero

@ewwhite Ok

ewwhite

4:25 PM

Find out if it's a team interview or one-on-one.

Kevin Soviero

@ewwhite Team.

ewwhite

all at once or in separate sessions?

Kevin Soviero

@ewwhite All at once.

ewwhite

big group panel interviews suck... you need to make eye-contact with everyone as you're speaking... there's usually confusion on their side as they try to ask questions.

Kevin Soviero

@ewwhite Gee, like I wasn't nervous enough as it is.

Cole

4:28 PM

I hate big group panel interviews

ewwhite

Be prepared for the usual questions...

Cole

I've only had one, and it sucked. I got the job but it's nerve racking to have 8-10 people staring at you on one side of the table

ewwhite

Describe projects that you're proud of...

Describe biggest mistake...

Kevin Soviero

@ewwhite What if I've never made a mistake?

I literally can't remember a time that I made a mistake so big as to stand out in my memory...

ewwhite

be prepared to ask them the essentials...

Ask then about their roles (if different) "What's your day-to-day?"

how large is team?

How much autonomy?

balance of break/fix to R&D to training.

Ask about work/life balance.

Ask them why they're hiring... if it's expansion, replacement...

Kevin Soviero

4:43 PM

Am I allowed to bring notes into an interview?

;)

ewwhite

yes

Cole

I have a 7am phone interview with a manager in India on Monday

ewwhite

this is all good stuff to know when interviewing

Kevin Soviero

@ewwhite I don't understand the "autonomy" question.

ewwhite

@KevinSoviero whether you'll be micro-managed. How much time or tolerance there is for self-discovery... Researching things that interest you

Whether your input will be welcome or accepted

Kevin Soviero

4:47 PM

@ewwhite What's self discovery?

ewwhite

@KevinSoviero Say you enjoy working with the ZFS filesystem.... Let's say you find a way to use ZFS to solve a problem at work... Will that feedback be welcome or accepted? Or is innovation stifled?

Kevin Soviero

@ewwhite Oh, I see.

ewwhite

ZFS came to mind, but it could be anything

Kevin Soviero

@ewwhite Ya, I understood. By the way, this is awesome! I'm writing down everything and I'm going to take this with me to the interview.

ewwhite

Also see...

Lots of good answers there

@KevinSoviero Also show your interest.. if this is a Linux job, be prepared to talk Linux.

Kevin Soviero

4:53 PM

@ewwhite Well, I assumed that much! ;)

ewwhite

I ask Linux candidates things like, "what distribution(s) do you use at home?"

"Compare and contrast RHEL-derivatives to Debian-derivatives."

"When did you first start using Linux?"

"Where do you go for help when you encounter Linux issues?"

Kevin Soviero

@ewwhite ServerFault?

ewwhite

a perfectly-acceptable answer....

Dennis Kaarsemaker

"Ubuntu" / "Debianites suck, RHEL-ites suck harder" / 1985 / The intarwebz

ewwhite

mind you, I ask these questions of interviewees AND interviewers.

I asked the team at a financial firm I was interviewing at...

"Where do you guys go for help?"

"Um, we just hammer it out... and try things until we fix it... And we have a good Linux guy in Sydney who can help with really tricky issues"

I asked them if they used ServerFault...

"Sometimes we see it in Google results, but the answers are usually wrong!"

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Cole

4:57 PM

whomp

ewwhite

these were bad signs to me

Kevin Soviero

@ewwhite I agree.

ewwhite

a Linux team that didn't use a good resource...

Kevin Soviero

@ewwhite Can I ask something like this? "Do you all do any project outside of work, like robotics, automation, etc?"

ewwhite

@KevinSoviero you can phrase it like, "Are you involved in the tech community outside of work? Projects, organizations, etc."

Kevin Soviero

5:02 PM

@ewwhite I meant more along the lines of if they work together outside of work on fun projects?

ewwhite

um.... probably not together

Kevin Soviero

@ewwhite Oh well. I've always wanted to do something like that...

ewwhite

yeah, that's not normal

Kevin Soviero

@ewwhite I'm not normal.

Cole

at my old job I hung out with two of the guys I worked with and did stuff like going to user groups and stuff together outside of work. I still do with one of the guys (the other one moved to the UK)

It doesn't always happen but yeah, it can

Dennis Kaarsemaker

5:07 PM

There's not really any useful sysadmin groups around here

Cole

Boston has a lot, which is nice

Kevin Soviero

So does Austin, we've got plenty of LUGs and such.

I think I may have scared @ewwhite off...

ewwhite

@KevinSoviero no... employers like to see some passion

I'll talk for days at interviews...

Kevin Soviero

@ewwhite Ya, well based on your reaction, I'll sound like the creepy guy! :D

ewwhite

but most important... "What's the typical career path/trajectory here..."

ask about burnout and turnover..

ask about how they train and if there are other training opportunities... certifications, conventions, etc.

Cole

5:14 PM

I've been hired more on having passion/wanting to learn than what I know

Dennis Kaarsemaker

that's because wanting to learn is far more important

what you know now is obsolete in 5 years, so better keep learning

well, unless you're still maintaining NT domains :)

Goatmale

howdy!

ewwhite

Ugh, I'm still making IP addressing decisions

10.10.8.x/24, 10.10.9.x/24,10.10.10.x/24

@Goatmale yo

Kevin Soviero

I'll be back in a few. If I don't have breakfast soon, I might pass-out! (Which is much more manly than fainting.)

Goatmale

@ewwhite I have a question for you. Should I buy a Road bikes or hybrids or mountian or bmx if you're an idiot like me who can't stop popping tubes and wheels.

ewwhite

5:18 PM

@Goatmale where do you ride?

Prairie Path?

Goatmale

I do go on a path near me

ewwhite

Bob Knott is a cyclist now... and Tom Benedict and I used to ride Wednesdays

Goatmale

I think I can ride my bike to work easy

impressing mr boss man :)

Dennis Kaarsemaker

by stinking up the office with your sweaty ass?

Goatmale

true :(

Chopper3

5:22 PM

This guy's, and his comments, are getting on my nerves...

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A: High speed storage drive (over 8 GByte/s)

This is just my kind of question! Actually creating a single volume that's theoretically capable of this kind of performance on a single server isn't that hard - you need a number of PCIe-based flash drives such as the FusionIO ones I use myself - bound together using LVM or similar (ZFS for ins...

ewwhite

@Goatmale I rode to SWC a few times from Evanston

Cole

ermergerd @Goatmale

Adrian

I hate those "Build My Infrastructure For Me" questions.

Cole

@Adrian aye

Chopper3

@Adrian I don't mind the question if it's asked in an open way that benefits others, this guy's just a prick

ewwhite

5:25 PM

@Chopper3 had another bad one like that...

Chopper3

@ewwhite recently?

ewwhite

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Q: Using both expanders in HP D2700

I am considering purchasing an HP D2700 for use with SSDs (Samsung Pro 840's), for use in realtime playback of high resolution images. The D2700 has two I/O modules (which I assume are the actual SAS expanders). However, since the enclosure was designed as a SAS enclosure, the "B" module routes...

macosx hp ssd sas

Adrian

Hmm. Can't type very well. Cat siting on my lap

Chopper3

@ewwhite thanks, I'll have a read

MIfe

@Chopper3 I read something recently that was demonstrating even with really really fast drives the kernel becomes a bottleneck when submitting I/O. 800k iops is the limit apparently. This is due to the way the io request queue is locked in the kernel.

Just throwing it out there, however never actually tried something that would do that much IO anyway.

Chopper3

5:29 PM

@MIfe 100% with you there, it can be tuned but it's certainly an issue - obviously you can bunch up your IOs and/or interrupts but then you introduce latency, not an issue if you're streaming but it kills random IO dead - we need to get to a point where say the first 8-16 cores can distribute IO handling, right now, if you're lucky you can maybe get 4 to do it properly - windows in particular is poor at this

Jeff Ferland

@MIfe Context switching?

MIfe

Theres only one IO submit queue (not sure if its per-device, I guess) so having more CPU's has a diminishing returns effect.

ewwhite

But Linux can do it...

MIfe

Context switching is not really applicable since it going in kernel space

Maybe in 3.6.12 or something. Some guy from fusion I/O was rewriting the io allocator so it has a lock per cpu which submits in batch to another queue that is per-device. Apparently in some circumstances its 90x more performant.

Chopper3

@ewwhite only just got the end of that comment stream - how the fuck does he expect to get this working - does he think he can put OSX on a HP server...or a Pxx into an old XServe etc?

ewwhite

5:32 PM

@Chopper3 He's going to use ATTO SAS controllers.

totally a Mac-head move.

Chopper3

@ewwhite then why use a P2700? just any old shitty shelf would do (edit - missed the ATTO bit soz)

ewwhite

they won't give the bandwidth...

Chopper3

@ewwhite plus however much I love OSX it's just not designed to be a server, look at just the IP throughput compared to anything else

ewwhite

I think a lot of people confuse IOPs and bandwidth..

Chopper3

@ewwhite ironically OSX is fantastic at audio (and to a lesser extent video) latency compared to anything else

Kevin Soviero

5:39 PM

@Chopper3 Does OSX use a RT kernel?

ewwhite

Noooo

MIfe

RT is a bit mythical unless you design your applications to support it.

Chopper3

@KevinSoviero no, it's just pretty well tuned as when it was first about (at next) A/V was a big part of their business/USP - so that's where the effort went in

ewwhite

@MIfe not entirely... I mean, for awhile, realtime kernels were in vogue for trading applications... until we just moved everything to hardware.

MIfe

When you design your application to do that sure,

ewwhite

5:41 PM

but even without specific tuning, we were able to get more consistent performance under load.

MIfe

but an entire o/s like osx i'm pretty willing to bet is not designed that way.

ewwhite

certainly not faster, but just deterministic.

MIfe

@ewwhite exactly which is what RT is meant to offer. Not 'faster' but predictable.

ewwhite

but then my traders were like eff-this... we need speed..

Chopper3

@MIfe hell no, it's general purpose, but with a slant towards creative stuff like A/V - so for instance it's still really the only OS that 'talks print' - i.e. it's use of colour and typography - simply because it always has - windows 1.0 made bad assumptions in these areas that they've never properly fixed

Chopper3

5:58 PM

@sysadmin1138 - well done on overtaking me :)

Ward

@Chopper3 Might not last now that you're back...

Chopper3

@Ward but my mind's not what it was

Ward

The sidebar quote says "Done" but you've still got Herceptin going for a while, don't you?

Chopper3

@Ward yeah but that's nothing compared to everything else

Ward

Yeah, I know... My wife just started it and no allergic reaction, but the whole trade-off of less chance of recurrence vs. increased chance of heart problems is really getting her down.

Chopper3

6:07 PM

@Ward I'm in shit-shape but they're happy with me having it, so long as the echo comes back ok you're ok - apparently any effects are quite obvious

Ward

@Chopper3 I don't know what future tests will be, for a baseline they did a MUGO (supposedly better/more accurate? than echo, although you have to get some radioactive stuff injected) and her current level of heart function is good, >70% But the stuff we've read about problems showing up years after is scary.

Chopper3

@Ward well I just think that every day forward is stuff I wouldn't have had so it's easy for me

Ward

Yeah, the alternative to all of it is even worse, it's just a struggle getting through it all (even though we haven't had it anywhere near as bad as some)

Adrian

7:24 PM

71F. I think I'm going to melt into a little puddle of human soup stock.

That's 22C for those of you living in civilized countries.

They say it's going to be 10F/6C hotter than this tomorrow

ewwhite

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Q: NetApp - right configuration for vSphere environment

I'm thinking now about buying a NetApp for my vSphere environment (use NetApp NAS features). I'm looking for a solution that will give me at least 6000IOPS, and i need about 15TB of storage. I thought about buying FAS2240-2 with 24 drives (600GB SAS) and an additional DS2246 with 24 drives too (6...

storage vmware-vsphere netapp

@Cole!!

Chopper3

7:52 PM

@ewwhite put my two cents in the hat

Kevin Soviero

8:09 PM

Do they have a human equivalent to ServerFault? My esophagus is killing me, and I need to be debugged.

Chopper3

@KevinSoviero Tried a CTRL+ALT+DEL?

Kevin Soviero

@Chopper3 I tried punching myself in the chest, same theory.

;)

Ward

@Adrian 22 today, maybe 24 tomorrow, still around 22 next week. MOAR bike to WORK!

@KevinSoviero Citro-mag:

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Oh, wait, wrong end.

S-A-TUR-DAY Night!

Strange mix of music on the Party Mix channel

Cole

8:25 PM

@ewwhite ugh a FAS2240, pieces of shit

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@ewwhite "I want infinite power at zero cost"

Cole

but everything @Chopper3 said is everything we did at NetApp in the lab so

upvoted!

Adrian

@Ward Nice. This business of getting up to 30C in May is just crazy-talk though. Going to shatter most of the temperature records by a solid 3-5C.

Ward

Yeah, I heard something about the temps here breaking records. That means it'll probably be pissing rain at the end of the month for Bike to Work Week. :(

Jacob

8:43 PM

Hi all

Chopper3

Would you guys have a look at the comments under this please, I think he's being rude and unrealistic - I'd appreciate your own comments

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A: High speed storage drive (over 8 GByte/s)

This is just my kind of question! Actually creating a single volume that's theoretically capable of this kind of performance on a single server isn't that hard - you need a number of PCIe-based flash drives such as the FusionIO ones I use myself - bound together using LVM or similar (ZFS for ins...

hi jacob

Jacob

Just finished my presentation @#LOPSA-EAST

Michael Hampton

@Chopper3 I don't think he's being rude in his comments, but he certainly is being unrealistic. He is utterly avoiding the obvious. Since this is pretty much going to degenerate shortly, I just threw a not constructive on it.

Chopper3

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Michael Hampton

@Drob Since you're new, you should know that you can edit your question, and it's preferred that you do so, since comments are easy to lose track of (and some users don't see them at all). Editing your question also returns it to the top of the homepage, gaining you more views. — Michael Hampton 1 min ago

Ward

8:51 PM

@Chopper3 Doesn't seem rude, but yeah, unrealistic. I'm not gonna VtC, I like all the "discussion" in the various answers.

ewwhite

9:41 PM

Meanwhile... I'm testing a new Nexenta storage system...