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12:01 AM
@RyanRies well first of all internal clients can't get to the public site without www. Or IIS on the DCs...
 
Hah, HP are now offering us V1410 switches along with the "free" P410 RAID controller... they look pretty basic though
Hardly a very good incentive
 
@MDMarra That's what WWW is for man
 
The question really isn't "why not" but "why"? Given the ability to change the default UPN suffix and domain NETBIOS name to be "pretty" why would you ever choose split dns
But then you have two sets of disjoint servers authoritative for the same namespace
 
Can't wait for my boobvoyage
 
@MDMarra legacy.
 
12:03 AM
I'm at a split horizon shop now that has a trust with another split horizon shop. It's a fucking nightmare
 
@MarkHenderson There's no "free" controller. It be on the motherboard. My supplier says he can ship to AU.
 
I understand that there are workaround a but why would split ever be preferred when there are zero-cost alternatives that conform to MS best practices and don't make a cluster fuck out of trusts for partners
 
@MDMarra people don't know MS best practices.
they limp and hobble along...
 
Oh I know. Ryan was saying its a valid choice though
I mean I totally understand that it's just not worth changing in most instances but when would it ever be a good choice given the alternatives?
In a new environment, that is
 
@ewwhite yeah i called them on their marketing bullshit and they offered the switch instead
@ewwhite Cool. Does he have a website/email/etc that I can contact him on?
 
12:10 AM
@MarkHenderson You work through me ;) (I'm the gatekeeper)
 
@ewwhite haha ok no worries
 
@MarkHenderson So specs are needed. RAM, disk capacity, CPU speed, and whether you have any other constraints: rackspace, etc.
 
@ewwhite nw. I shall email you once I've nutted it out
 
"Nutted it out" means something different here
 
or just give a budget... and I can craft something that fits.
 
12:13 AM
Nutted it out lol
 
@MDMarra That's the price you pay for wanting to have an internal and external presence. The other side of the coin is that you can have webserver serving web requests for a domain name of which it's not actually a member.
 
Sorry I don't follow. How is any of that unique? You can do the same thing with company.com externally and ad.company.com internally
 
It's not that crazy... Public DNS for producecompany.com. Internal AD with domain name producecompany.com, with redirects to internal addresses for people resolving internally.
 
But there's no reason to do that.
You have to maintain duplicate A records and train your user to do www. Internally to get to the external site. It decreases usability while adding nothing
And it really makes a mess out of trusts if you're doing it with other companies that are doing the same thing
 
12:29 AM
@MDMarra I don't host the external www sites. Only e-commerce sites.
orders.producecompany.com
Produce companies don't do AD trusts!
 
The $1799 iMac took 96 seconds to copy a 6GB file from one part of the drive to another, while the WD drive in the $1999 iMac took 146 seconds, the same result as the high-end 2011 27-inch iMac
96 seconds to duplicate a 6Gb file? Is there something wrong with that?
 
Right but if there were a website at "produce.com" internal users couldn't get there
 
That's 64MB/sec... that's fairly piss poor, even for a 7200 RPM drive
 
Not without using a sub domain or putting IIS on all of the DCs
 
@MDMarra and this is where your youth shows... You have to understand how businesses and bad IT infrastructure evolve.
 
12:34 AM
@MDMarra Well you have a point in that internal users would not be able to access the company website at produce.com, and let's just rule out putting IIS on all the DCs because that's just crazy.
 
Oh dude. I'm not saying that people that have it deployed already should change. If people have it and its working then good for them. I'm talking specifically about new deployments
 
But split DNS also makes certain other things easier, such as certificates. You can access rdgw01.nubo.myotherpcisacloud.com (an RD Gateway) and it will give you a valid certificate, because that machines hostname is literally rdgw01.nubo.myotherpcisacloud.com. That's one example where split DNS shines.
Internal clients and external clients have no problems accessing the same host by name
 
Most companies don't have good IT support. And if they DO have staff and a new project comes along, the decision makers expect the staff that they pay for to know how to do things... even when a consultant makes more sense.
or you have staff that's chomping to get a new project because they're otherwise stagnant.
 
@Ryan not sure about RD gateways but on almost anything else the public DNS name just has to match the cert not the computers host name
And it's published MS best practice not to use a split namespace
Also, a cert with a SAN for the internal and external names costs like $10 more than a standard one
 
@MDMarra I'm willing to concede if MS really says "best practice is not to use split DNS" but I've beem googling while we've been talking and I can't find where MS says "don't use split DNS" in the context of general DNS/domain design. I'm not asking you to do my googling for me, I honestly can't find it
@MDMarra And in terms of RD Gateway at least, yeah, the computers hostname + domain must match the exact name on the certificate, or else Remote Desktop Client won't connect to it
 
12:41 AM
Let me see if I can find it.
 
Which must match the name by which you addressed it
 
When planning your DNS and Active Directory namespace, it is recommended that you use a differing set of distinguished names that do not overlap as the basis for your internal and external DNS use. As an example, assuming your organization's parent domain name is "example.microsoft.com"

For internal DNS names usage you could use a name such as "internal.example.microsoft.com"

For external DNS names usage you could use a name such as "external.example.microsoft.com"

By keeping your internal and external namespaces separate and distinct in this way, you enable simplified maintenance of con
 
1:10 AM
@MDMarra Well I've been thinking about this, and I've come to the conclusion that I think you're right, and it's made me question some of my past decisions. That said, there are also articles like this one, which I think is still in favor of a non-split DNS, but is still pretty wishy-washy on the issue:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/254680
@MDMarra But at the end of the day I have to give it to you
@MDMarra I think there might be a little merit to the idea that 98% of companies will not have a problem with split-DNS, but I understand that idealistically you're right and I'll most likely change my attitudes toward DNS design in the future. Sorry... I'm not trying to back-handedly compliment you, still just weighing the possibilities in my own head :)
And I think you're also right that proper delegations are key
 
1:26 AM
@RyanRies but in the real world... :)
 
@ewwhite Yeah I have no problems accessing myotherpcisacloud.com (without the www) internally. :\
And I'm a huge fan of Remote Desktop Gateway, which requires an SSL certificate, and it also requires that the RD gateway present a certificate that matches its actual hostname.domain.tld or else it simply will not work, and I'm not sure how to do that over the internet without split DNS
 
@RyanRies I love it too... until you get a user on Windows XP. Or a mac.
Or a user with an expired password
 
@RyanRies UCC/SAN cert, the same way exchange does should work right?
I wasn't trying to start an argument or anything, I really didn't know of any positive reason and I've been really adamant about it in the past, so I was worried I missed something big
 
@MDMarra No that's the main thing that I also just want to make clear is that the last thing I want to do is start some sort of internet flame war, I know we're both more mature than that, and above all I just love that there are people right here with whom I can engage in thought-provoking conversation, I really respect it all immensely
 
Really though, my main issue now is that we're split and a parter that we have a trust with and private fiber link with are split as well. And we both have ugly NAT setups. There are some nasty things we need to do to use the internal link for initial traffic and the external link for external traffic
 
1:36 AM
@MDMarra I'm also the kind of person who's secretly worried that he "missed something big" :)
 
@RyanRies yeah, same. The quality of many Windows admins is ahem lacking at times
Not necessarily on this site, but just in general
 
@MDMarra Agreed - That's still today got to be the #1 cause of people not respecting Windows admins. The thing that attracts people to Windows (approachability, ease of use, etc.) are the same things that cause the space to be flooded with noobs.
 
Yep
 
Although I think that should hopefully be changing for the better now that Windows Server has come full circle and that they are realizing that there is no better way to create an automatable OS than through the command line
 
@RyanRies how do you have that set up though? Your DCs should register A records for themselves on the internal zone as the root of the zone
 
1:43 AM
And in my opinion they've one-upped other contenders in creating a really rich object-oriented shell experience, instead of just parsing text
 
@MarkHenderson Not 64MB/sec while reading and writing to the same drive though.
 
@MDMarra They do. You're right. I have an internet domain that I bought for myotherpcisacloud.com. My (internal) AD forest at home is actually nubo.myotherpcisacloud.com, so internal DNS requests for "myotherpcisacloud.com" get forwarded to the internet. I was confused and wrong.
 
Oh ok. That's exactly what I'm advocating whether there's a delegation or not ( but delegation is preferred)
 
@MDMarra Yeah the more I think about it the more right I think you are
 
I've spent a lot of time in environments that hit all of those "oh don't worry about that" edge cases haha
For example, last job had a multihomed DC with one leg on a public address
 
2:02 AM
SE working for anyone else?
nvm
DNS problem at my end
 
no, it was failing a few minutes ago
 
Oh ok. So it wasn't my DNS then.
First thing I noticed was the DNS lookup was failing
 
2:27 AM
Whoah, 10 trillion digits of pi == 16.6TB
I'm a bit concerned by the fact that a hard drive failures cost him 180 days of processing time
Some re-engineering work is required there, although I'm betting that they probably work damn hard
I wonder if Windows Calc can process it...
 
@MarkHenderson I wrote an app a few months ago that used the .NET BigInt class... it can handle some pretty f'ing huge integers
 
3:14 AM
@mdmarra If I log onto one of the three Windows 7 PC instances, should I have folder redirection?
@MDMarra because this is what I get!!
 
@ewwhite That's because you're twice the user that others are
 
I dunno about that
 
3:41 AM
Yeah that shouldn't happen
 
Fucking developers.
 
Devopsapotamus strikes again.
 
Wait yes it should if you previously had a profile on that machine
Did you?
 
@MDMarra I may have.
How should I reinitialize?
 
Log in as a different admin user and delete the local copy of your profile
Right click computer > properties > advanced (I think), user profiles or something like that
 
3:57 AM
man, I need to come up with something like this
174
Q: How to determine if my calculation of pi is accurate?

Ishan SharmaI was trying various methods to implement a program that gives the digits of pi sequentially. I tried the Taylor series method, but it proved to converge extremely slowly (when I compared my result with the online values after some time). Anyway, I am trying better algorithms. So, while writing ...

But like with my freakin' p/invoke Powershell answer today, it would get 2 votes max :P
 
@MDMarra removed.
 
@RyanRies If you want that many upvotes you need to 1) Write a mundane but interesting question, 2) give it an interesting subject line, 3) get it to the top of the Hot Questions list
I got to the top of that list with a really dumb question I wrote
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Q: Can you mount a network switch upside down?

Mark HendersonWe just took delivery of a new Avaya 2500 48-port switch, that has 24 PoE ports. The problem is that all the PoE ports are on the left-hand size of the switch, and our PoE device cables can only reach the right-hand side of the switch (we're upgrading from an old switch to a new one, and the old ...

 
@ewwhite there's a hacky GPO profile to stop that from happening if you think it will happen to a lot of users, but I didn't think there would be anyone logging into anything with existing profiles
 
No, this is just me
 
Got ya. So no dupes with a fresh profile right?
 
4:09 AM
None.
 
Excellent
 
4:25 AM
whats the best (I know you just shouldn't) way to disconect a drive while it's still mounted in linux (because it's still in use and you can't umount)
does echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/device/delete still work in such a situation?
this is only in an emergency maybe where you rm something you shouldn't have and you want to avoid writes a quicly as possiable
 
That sounds like a recipe for losing even more data than the file you accidentally deleted.
 
umount -l ?
but that's not really the best way.
 
that does nothing I thought
 
Download "UFS Explorer" and try to recover.
 
stuff keeps writing to the drive with -l I think
untill it's finnished
@ewwhite does echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/device/delete not work if your mounted?
don't really want to try without a spare FS/drive
 
4:31 AM
You can try extundelete. It cheats and reads the filesystem journal to find deleted files.
 
yeah, don't you have to unmont to use it?
 
You'll have to unmount / mount readonly to use it though, so you're looking at downtime no matter what you do
Of course the EASY solution is to restore the backup.
 
ethier way just wanting the best way to stop data diying other than pluing the plug
(stop unalocated space from being overwriten)
@MichaelHampton I was hoping to force echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/device/delete then just remount someware else
 
I think at this point it's probably too late for that.
 
ok
whys that?
 
4:34 AM
Because it's been a few minutes, it was probably already written to disk.
 
no I had this happen and want to have a disaster plan for next time so I can do it quickly (not that there should be a next time)
 
@sabgenton It's called backups.
 
basicly rm whoops.txt # quick kill the drive
:)
this is true
I will try installing an os to a hotplugable pc to test if echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/device/delete can work while mounted anyrate
:)
 
This is silly.
 
why disasters happen
 
4:40 AM
Yes, they do, but that's not a disaster.
A disaster is when your server catches fire, or a hurricane hits the data center, or the coffee maker fails.
 
Anyone else actually had a server catch fire?
 
raid just mirrors your rm to all files and backup often only runs periodically
 
@tylerl Once, but it was my own fault
 
Right, but you're spending too much money to deal with what boils down to user error.
 
I left a serviette near an open chassis and somehow it ended up inside the server and it caught fire
And it wasn't a server, it was an optiplex, but the same principle still applies
 
4:46 AM
I called up a colo facility once after a server dropped offline unexpectedly. Power supply failed spectacularly. Hard drive survived (amazingly), everything else was a charred and melted mess.
 
fair enough I'll still try it out when I get a spare drive
nice
 
@sabgenton Have fun, just don't ever do something like that to a production system, unless you really really want to get fired.
 
@MichaelHampton yeah test drive at home
 
@sabgenton Welcome to Server Fault. If you haven't noticed, we have a very strong culture of "doing it right", whatever it is.
 
@tylerl yes...
 
4:51 AM
@tylerl Never had one spouting open flames, but had them release their magic smoke...
@sabgenton One last thing. Maybe you can just avoid the problem entirely. If it's a configuration file, consider putting your server config in a git repo with etckeeper.
I think I want to do a canonical answer for all the "why is my server so damn slow" questions.
 
@MichaelHampton non of the things you have said I haven't dealt with version control etc and I haven't lost anything serious and that because I do believe in backing serious things up. Simply just wanted to know what's possible when you can't just shut down the machine. But yes it shouldn't happen your quite right you should never leave it to chance.
 
@sabgenton If you really need to protect against new files or recently changed files being deleted, consider a continuous backup solution. If it's just for your home machine, something like CrashPlan would do.
 
@sabgenton And I've done a ton of data recovery from REAL emergency situations... You're wasting your time preparing for the scenario you mention.
 
point taken
 
You'd also be wasting time in the scenario, if it takes you an hour to restore a file that would take 15 minutes to recreate.
 
5:08 AM
So, @MichaelHampton what do you think I should do with the data I found on the used server I bought?
 
@ewwhite You have two options: 1. Put it up on BitTorrent. 2. Shop it around to shady Asian companies who don't mind a little corporate espionage.
 
I looked again, and there were PowerPoint presentations and trip reports of visits to various other manufacturers... Qlogic, FalconStor, HP, PMC, etc.
and photos...
 
@ewwhite hah we bought a used blade center once, booted them up and it loaded CentOS, branded "Macquarie Bank" - we uuh, decided to DBAN those disks
 
@MarkHenderson Did you see the whole story earlier?
 
@MichaelHampton Probably not, only been jumping in and out torday
 
5:11 AM
I'll probably recap it in the morning...
 
@MarkHenderson The fun begins here.
 
Heh, I'd recap...
but it's basically a server from LSI.
 
With an idiot for a sysadmin.
 
I don't know how the system was acquired... so I'm kinda in limbo... don't wanna delete
:)
 
Put it online at lsileaks.com
 
5:19 AM
@MichaelHampton Say what?
There are a couple of projects detailed here that never came to fruition.
There's an interesting one here that's some form of storage virtualization...
like SCSI HBA offload.
 
Compile it!
 
5:58 AM
Is this right?
 
@MichaelHampton Yeah, it's right.
 
@MichaelHampton yep
So I'm compiling the LSI source code.
 
Sounds fun. I'm trying out Nagios XI. No fun at all.
 
I've given up on monitoring systems
Orca+Monit+OpenNMS+Observium+HP Agents
 
Their stupid virtual appliance booted up with IPv6 disabled. Not an auspicious start.
 
6:10 AM
@MichaelHampton <sniff> All our shit boots up with IPv6 disabled. Because we have to diable it. :(
 
@HopelessN00b Where the hell do you work, the 20th century?
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@MichaelHampton Founded in 1896, and proud of it. So... no, worse.
After that shit with the A/C last night, I'm starting to wonder if I'll make it through the resume-making infra refresh project, or quit in frustration first. :(
 
Ehh, they'll be starting the emergency IPv6 project before that infra refresh is done. :)
 
@MichaelHampton Yeah, but at the rate we move, both those things will happen in 2017.
 
6:33 AM
Welcome to my nightmare.
 
@MichaelHampton Panicking, eh? Administer a sedative.
 
Hate. Hate. Hate.
 
Meh. Works for me. And date rapists.
 
What happened to the "too basic" close reason?
 
6:49 AM
Went the way of "too stupid."
 
7:11 AM
149 rep for cd.
Well, I just proposed an RTFM close reason. Let's see how it goes.
 
Which close reason do you propose to remove ?
 
@Iain None of them?
 
I don't think SE allow > 5 close reasons
 
@Iain I see 6 close reasons :)
 
I see 5 ?
Dupe, NC, OT, NARQ, TL
 
7:15 AM
 
interesting - is that on SF&F (where I believe they want to get rid of GR) ?
 
Yep
If they don't want it, I'll be happy to take it :)
.....and sometimes I shouldn't even try.
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A: configuring memcached

Michael HamptonThe Drupal documentation covers this. Prefixing If you want to have multiple Drupal installations share memcached instances, you need to include a unique prefix for each Drupal installation in the $confarray of settings.php. <?php $conf['memcache_key_prefix'] = 'something_unique'; ?&...

 
Yeah, GR is hotly debated on SF.SE What constitutes a "standard Internet reference" and does a book or movie count as its own reference?
 
I think if you treated "internet reference" as "product documentation" or its equivalent, it could work for us. I don't think it's a good fit for SF&F.
 
@MichaelHampton I would have walked away after the reply to the 3rd comment
@MichaelHampton we would have almost no questions then
You could prefix most answers on SF with I read the documentation for you and it says...
 
7:24 AM
@Iain Oh, we'd have plenty of questions still. I'm after the really low hanging fruit. When the answer would just be a copy and paste of the docs, then it's a bit of a problem.
 
@MichaelHampton Yeah, this is allegedly a site for pros. Pros should read the damn manual.
 
@Iain Oh, he's called me an obstinate time waster now.
 
@MichaelHampton run away
and it looks better suited to SO too
 
7:39 AM
Yeah, I'm done with him.
I don't think that's suited for SO
They'd try to migrate it here
 
I don't know why it took so long but I eventually got half the bounty on that mSO question btw
 
Which one?
Oh yeah, that one
I don't understand the point of offering bounties on many meta questions
 
@MichaelHampton there isn't any point at all on mSO
I only answered that one because the OP had recently admitted to just voting to close -> migrate to SU because that seem like the place to send everything now ...
 
Give it a few months, SU will be jumping up and down demanding to be removed from SO's migrate list.
 
It would be interesting to know what their rejection rate was and is now
 
7:46 AM
I don't have 10K on SU :(
 
Our current rejection rate for SO is 68% I think it'll get higher before they drop off the list at the end of Feb
 
Yeah, that's freaky.
 
@Iain We should tell Journeyman Geek and whoever else is active enough on SU to do what I did: follow the migrations from SO and VtC the crappy ones. When I was doing it for migrations here, there were just as more old questions migrated to SU than SF
 
in Ask a Super User Moderator, 39 secs ago, by slhck
@MichaelHampton It's not too high, around 13%.
 
SU has more users than SF, but I'd still expect that to go up if all migrated questions got looked at.
 
7:58 AM
They do have a wider scope than us though
 
Server Error in '/' Application.
 
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Q: High data rate UDP packet receiver

Topi RinkinenI need to build an Intel/AMD (64 bit) PC with Linux capable of receiving around 100 MegaBytes/sec UDP packets (peak). I tried this with my i7 based Ubuntu 10.10, which crashed after about a second. (Weird thing was that it DID NOT crash, if the packets were malformed (IP LEN/UDP LEN did not matc...

shopping ?
 
@Iain I'm leaving that one for @ewwhite
in Ask a Super User Moderator, 35 secs ago, by slhck
@MichaelHampton More like DevOops if you ask me…
@Iain What kind of NIC he needs is answerable. What Linux distro to choose is ... probably too subjective.
 
8:25 AM
back yet
apparently so
 
DevOops
Damn, I just can't seem to avoid the idiots tonight...
 
@MichaelHampton The numbers would be interesting to see for SO->SU migrations
@MichaelHampton the parted question ?
 
@Iain 13% doesn't seem too bad.
Yeah, that one.
 
If he's that worried surely he should test it on a scratch monkey
 
He doesn't have a scratch monkey. Or backups...
 
8:31 AM
Sometimes I'm tempted to just say yeah it's safe to questions like that even if I don't know
@MichaelHampton surely not ... a pro sysadmin with no backups
 
Dan
8:47 AM
Morning
 
9:28 AM
Morning.
 
morning
 
Dan
Morning!
 
Night!
 
Dan
@Ward You suck
 
g'day
 
Dan
9:47 AM
Yo
 
10:03 AM
SCOM is kind of weird
 
10:50 AM
@Iain Ignorance. It depends on what the UDP stream it. It could easily be a trading workstation consuming trading market data... But there are sysctl settings that would help. NIC doesn't matter as much.
 
11:09 AM
the heating is fucked here at work again. It's colder than a witches tit inside a brass bra in our reception area, which is where our helldesk is sited. Guess where I'm stuck having to cover because we're that short of staff today.
 
@RobM I know my job description says "other duties as required" but that's taking it a bit far.
 
@tombull89 it's not the most fun I've had at work, that's for damn sure.
 
Dan
@RobM If it makes you feel better, I spent £170 on new boots and I don't think they're the right size :(
 
feck... when can you get 'em changed?
 
@RobM First job I had was in Woolworths over christmas as a temp. You were supposed to rota in a couple of hours on the tills, one on the door, and a couple in warehouse, although one day they "forgot" to do mine and I stood on the door for 6 hours with a piss-thin woolies jumper and "would you like a basket?" for entertainment.
 
11:14 AM
@tombull89 that is above and beyond
 
Anyone know on solaris the relationship between pkg and pkgadd?
 
I saw on the weekend an advert for a documentary on ITV2 about old bands regrouping for a reunion concert. B*Witched was one of them...I couldn't stop laughing.
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Dan
@RobM Actually as I posted that they called me back and said they have the next size up in a shop near work (THey don't have many branches so quite lucky there) so it may be alright
@tombull89 "So, where have you been?" Bursts into tears
 
ahh that's ok then, hopefully @dan
still a pain in the arse, but if you're getting it fixed...
 
Dan
@RobM Successfully managed to blow >£500 on motorcycle gear. As I said to the missus, it's not that blokes hate shopping, girls just take us to the wrong places :D
 
11:17 AM
@tombull89 we need to get @Chopper3 backstage at the b*witched show and tape what happens...
@dan too bloody true
 
@RobM The sheer look of horror on the girls' face as something twigs...
 
Dan
So, I was just reading this article (Don't ask, I'm not a sun reader):

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/lifestyle/4742264/50-shades-of-grey-sex-in-britain-poll.html

And this line jumped out at me
"There’s a gender divide here, though — 44 per cent of men prefer romps well lit, while half of women do it in the dark."

Now, is it just me....?
 
Wow. Even given how few words the Sun normally employs, it's amazing how they manage to convey nothing at all with the ones they do use.
 
@dan the sun's writers are bad enough at writing. Surely you're not expecting them to be better at maths
 
Dan
@RobM True, somehow they still astound me though
 
11:23 AM
Probably a sample size of 12, too.
 
Does anyone understand the relationship between HP's driver versioning on SOlaris between pkg and pkgadd-type packages?
`pkg` tells me I've got the following
`driver/storage/cpqary3 0.5.11-0.175.1.0.0.24.2`
 
Dan
@SmallClanger Given the topic, the article was far duller than I anticipated
 
`pkginfo` tells me I have
`system CPQary3 HP Smart Array HBA Driver 2.2.0.1`
Are they the same?
 
Dan
@growse I have no clue, sorry
 
oh, pkgchk tells me that CPQary3 is "Installed but empty"
 
11:33 AM
@growse which Solaris version ?
 
@Iain 11.1
 
I only have S10 handy
 
I believe that pkgadd is the 'old' way and that pkg is the new way, so if pkg tells me that cpqary3 is up to date, I'm tempted to believe it
 
@growse yeah I don't think that S10 has pkg
 
11:53 AM
Looks like the college has appointed a new "staff counsellor" while the current one is taking a break.

I guess they didn't want to go for my offer to do the job for them :-(
 
Dan
@RobM I suppose they have a duty of care to keep the suicide rate down
 
@dan but I'm trained as a counsellor and everything.
 
Dan
@RobM Really? cool
 
Yeah. I know, it's hard to believe.
 
Dan
I can't believe staff counselor is a full time job at your place
 
11:57 AM
Most of the people who know me well would agree with your original comment @dan ;-)
dan we have two counsellors. one for students and one for staff.
I can't believe it either
That makes about as much sense to me as actually letting one of the most cynical bastards in the place to do it just because some other idiot thought it would be an idea to send me on the courses for it one time.
still snowing well here
 

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