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12:01 AM
@MarkHenderson Oh and good morning ducky-poo
@ScottPack He hates you and wants you to die screaming in a car fire.
 
@WesleyDavid I'm not entirely sure @ChrisS is capable of feeling hatred. He would probably just eat a hot dish and go ice fishing instead.
 
@ScottPack ...while thinking impolite thoughts towards you.
 
@WesleyDavid Morning snookums
 
@WesleyDavid See, this is why I don't want to live in the desert. You see what the sun does to you?
You used to be such a sweet boy, @Wes.
 
12:15 AM
@ScottPack =(
 
@ScottPack When I think @WesleyDavid I always imagine Cary Elwes in The Princess Bride
 
@JoelESalas He was Westley.
The more pure form of the name. Alas, I have the bastard, Americanized version.
(Wesley meaning "Western Meadow" or "West Ley")
 
12:46 AM
@ScottPack I'm taking a class right now where I have to learn the material for the CISSP amongst other things. I wondering if it's worth my time to convince my work to pay for the test and get me certified.
@ScottPack I most certainly am capable of hatred. I still have a fair amount pent up over the WiFi gear I'm half way through deploying. See previous two days of ranting about a useless serial port and non-standard defaults.
 
@ChrisS I think it really depends on what you're doing. Are you currently, or do you want, to manage a team that focuses on information security? If so, then it might not hurt.
@ChrisS If you want to work in a technical role I wouldn't waste your time.
bbiab. Bedtime for some.
 
I'm a jack-of-all-trades in IT, so I do security when it's convenient or when there's a problem.
I don't think I'd be ready for management for a good number of years really. Besides, the most fun I have in my job is playing with new hardware and making it work.
If the management roles at my work are any indication, they don't get to do any of the stuff I regard as fun.
 
1:06 AM
@ChrisS That's generally true for most people that I know :)
 
@ChrisS How about the fun of bridging the gap between an uncaring executive team and an impossible-to-please tech team?
 
Back when I first started in the field I was looking forward to getting the 4 years experience (along with the various and sundry waivers for which I qualified) necessary to test for it. Now that I meet the requirements? I would rather spend my time doing more fun things.
 
1:18 AM
@JoelESalas It's the other way around for me right now... Impossible-to-please management and me.
 
1:42 AM
hi guys,
did you guys know some good software monitoring ?
 
@ValterHenrique Depends on what you'd like to monitor
 
4
Q: What am I looking for in a Monitoring Solution?

Kyle Brandt This is a Canonical Question about Monitoring Software. I need to monitor my servers; what do I need to consider when deciding on a monitoring solution?

187
Q: What tool do you use to monitor your servers?

Aron RotteveelAs the question states, what are the most commonly used tools used for this task and what are their strengths and weaknesses?

If those don't get you pointed in the right direction, ask again.
 
2:19 AM
sorry guys
I was helping my boss with this
there's some employees that play facebook game while we are working
and we would like to see if that's true
*this is true
 
It doesn't matter what they're doing. If they get their work done, let them play games. If they don't get their work done, fire them.
 
@ValterHenrique That is a completely different kind of monitoring. You'll want to look at ClearOS if you want an easy solution
 
Did you guys worked with something like this ?
 
Hey, somebody downvoted my stupid Windows question.
 
@MichaelHampton It is a little simplistic, but I've seen similar questions, so it seems on-topic enough.
 
2:22 AM
@ChrisS It was a simple question with a non-obvious answer.
I think I might have gone overboard with the screenshots, though.
 
I know some people think you shouldn't write a question you already know the answer to... Not sure where they get that idea, but I know Marra got some hate for his AD and GPO questions.
 
I wouldn't have bothered, if there had been ANY other question on SF covering the topic or even hinting at it.
But it was a problem I had to solve today. You know, an actual real-life problem you actually had to face. :)
 
@MichaelHampton No way. I fucking love screenshots
 
Why would somebody think you shouldn't answer your own question?
 
You'll have to ask one of them.
 
2:37 AM
I would, but it would be a dupe :)
 
I mean you'd have to ask one of those people.
 
2:55 AM
If I could find them, I would.
 
3:25 AM
Windows won't boot again. Wonder which of these damn 81 updates it is causing the problem.
 
All of them
 
Romney!
I mean, Clint!!
 
And I thought I was onto something.
 
3:49 AM
@ewwhite That surprised me.
 
@WesleyDavid deep...
 
4:00 AM
...And thanks to a question and answer on Server Fault, my stupid Windows box is booting again.
 
4:18 AM
0
Q: Remove Log off button

XertoI am using a server with Windows Server 2008. I don't want anyone to log off, because it would stop very important programs. But I can't change the Log Off button to anything (the drop down menu is grey), and thus I can't disabled it (I already tried the gpedit.msc thing, it doesn't seem to work....

I don't want anyone to log off, because it would stop very important programs???
 
@ShaneMadden I already tried the gpedit.msc thing, it doesn't seem to work
its a lol a stentence
 
How does that even happen?
I've seen the "oh we need an interactive session to run our awful application, which someone needs to log into after reboot"
But for every user?
 
@ShaneMadden Been there done that. In fact, we used to be a provider of one of those apps :p
(we changed it to a service many years ago, or if you're poor, a scheduled task)
 
@MarkHenderson You charge extra to run as a service? Ouch.
 
@ShaneMadden No, but if you're out of maintenance you don't get the new version that can
 
4:22 AM
@MarkHenderson Gotcha.
 
But you can run the old program as a scheduled task under a service account, which works well enough
 
@MarkHenderson As long as the service account doesn't need to be a domain admin.
 
@ShaneMadden Hahaha no
 
Then, we'd have a problem.
 
The one that we have as a real service can run under localuser just fine if you're not using a networked resource
 
 
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7:01 AM
hi
 
7:16 AM
@ITHedgeHog Bastard Hedgie from Hell
 
7:44 AM
G'day
 
7:55 AM
Ooh, a new lifesize.com.. lifesize.com/en
Dear god, why?
 
8:38 AM
@SmallClanger Orange, the colour of agression
 
8:57 AM
So tired.
 
 
1 hour later…
9:57 AM
@WesleyDavid Always the bastard hog from hell.
 
Dan
10:24 AM
Morning everyone
 
10:37 AM
morning
 
Dan
11:00 AM
Gah, I hate when Improve & Close lists first
Making me look a fool!
 
Dan
11:28 AM
Can one of you Dell boys give me an overview on this?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251093589524&clk_rvr_id=381198143314#ht_4386wt_1163

Does it have DRAC (Enough to power on and off, not fussed about console)?
 
11:39 AM
It doesn't look like a model that has drac
 
Dan
@ITHedgeHog Damn :(
What's the port next to the NICs on the back? Serial?
 
it might be drac
on the left of the 2 NIC
its upside down with no lights
 
I know dell also has a port for some very very basic console (DRAC like) that you can send commands to
I think you can reset the machine with that
like powercycle it
 
@Dan Doesn't DRAC get inbulit to the network port? It's not a dedicated port like HP's iLO?
Not a bad server for the price either.
 
Dan
@tombull89 I don't know, I've USED DRAC, but I've never had anything to do with Dell servers
 
11:54 AM
you've got DRAC and management port
IIRC DRAC has it's own network port
but you need to pay like 300 extra if you want a DRAC card build in
 
just because i'm a web developer doesn't mean i control the internet. fml
 
@lsiunsuex: yeah, the internet is a small box in big ben ;p
 
Dan
12:10 PM
@LucasKauffman So what do I get with that server, and what can I do with it? After something that I can power up remotely, see?
 
DRAC can be a shared port or a dedicated port. Same with ILO.
 
Dan
Ah, thanks
 
@Dan That's for the low-end functionality. The dedicated port is an uplift in features.
 
Dan
I need to format and reinstall and I just don't even know where to start,that much stuff on this machine!
@ewwhite Like I say - I'd be happy with remote power on / off
As I'd be putting a hypervisor on anyway
 
@Dan I've got a similar servers with that port, but no DRAC card attached inside
 
Dan
12:26 PM
@ITHedgeHog Okay, I guess I'd have to ask
(Or just wait til some HP stuff that I understand appears)
 
@Dan take one of my decommissioned HP systems!
cheap shipping :)
 
@Dan I'd wait for HP stuff =P
 
Dan
@ewwhite If it really were cheap :D
@ITHedgeHog Yeah, cant' see me ending up with Dell stuff in all honesty. It doesn't help that I don't really have the appetite to learn
 
@dan what are you looking to do?
I can make a recommendation
 
Newer kit is easier to understand, anything recent would have IDRAC.
 
12:37 PM
@dan in that price range, a DL380 G5 would be a better bet. ebay.co.uk/itm/…
better platform, predictable ILO2
go for a g6 if your budget allows, though
 
Dan
@ewwhite Oh, just something cheap and cheerful for home. Second hand, for sure - want a chuck a hypervisor on it and run a couple of Server 2008 R2 VM's and a couple of Win 7 VM's.
 
does noise matter?
 
@Dan thats the problem that basic interface gives you f* all possibilties
@Dan I think you can force a restart but I'm not sure if you can boot it
 
Dan
@ewwhite Not hugely - that's the main reason for wanting iLO. It won't be 24/7 - My two primary goals are providing a virtual desktop for the iPad and something I can log onto from outside. I'm getting sick of crippled internet on sites
@LucasKauffman Ah right, okay
 
@Dan if you want a server for home you are better off with an i7, cheaper memory cheaper mobo cheaper disks
 
12:40 PM
doesn't need much RAM.
Get a ML350 G5 or G6... tower, quiet, can accommodate large disks, if needed.
 
Dan
@ewwhite Starts to look expensive once the RAM is increased. Be nice to have SAS though!
 
how much RAM do you actually need?
4GB?
 
Dan
@ewwhite Hmm, not thought that hard. Depends on if I want to over-provision I suppose. Probably 6+
 
@Dan there are some cheap controllers (rocket raid) if your hypervisor is hyper v it will work well normally. it doesnt like ESX or Unix though
 
Dan
@LucasKauffman HyperVisor will be ESXi or XenServer freebies
 
12:43 PM
@Dan I have 2 x ML370 G5's here... each with 16GB RAM. THey previously ran an ESXi cluster. Everything is supported, so it's best to go with what works. No jankiness.
 
Dan
@ewwhite Yeah, I agree - I've said before, but I don't really fuss with IT all that much at home
 
@Dan LSI will be a bit more expensive
 
morning
 
Dan
@LucasKauffman Thats why I'm looking at second hand business gear
 
@Dan think a second hand LSI controller will set you back 100 quid for 4/8 ports
on the other hand you have to ask yourself if for a home setting you actually need SAS performance or a RAID 5 with 3 SATA disks will be good as well
also do mind power consumption :p
 
12:48 PM
Crucial messed up, in my favour this time, sent me 16GB of mac mini memory instead of the 8 I ordered, bonus
 
Dan
@LucasKauffman Oh sorry, you misinterpreted - I wasn't looking for SAS, just noted it in the link Mr White sent
If I hadn't got rid of all my stuff the other year, this shit would eb running on a desktop box!
 
well if you aren't looking for SAS you can just use ICH10R or whatever they are bringing integrated on mobos these days
 
mornin/afternoon/evening
 
Dan
@LucasKauffman Yeah, but ideally I don't really want to buy too much extra or new stuff. Ideally I'll just buy something second hand
 
Yooo
 
12:52 PM
Cheap LSI SAS --> ebay.co.uk/itm/… <-- Might be a little slow by today's standards, but it'll get the job done for testing and low-end loads.
 
@Dan have a look at those 775 mobos, you can find full kits for under 200 quid these days
 
Dan
@LucasKauffman Yeah, but this ultra low budget ;) Add disks and a chassis and you're soon over £300. Though, I will take a look
 
@Chopper3 Twice I've sent them memory on warranty in the past, and got back twice as much with a note saying they didn't have the smaller sizes available anymore. =]
 
sweet
 
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LOG: POST Error: 1716-Slot X Drive Array - Unregenerable Media Errors Detected on Drives during previous Rebuild or Auto-Reliability Monitoring (ARM) scan. Problem will be fixed automatically when the sector(s) are overwritten.
 
12:58 PM
=O
 
then again, i've come to learn to cut into my food before blindly eating it
a nice restaurants definition of medium well != my definition
 
It'd be more fun if there was a mix of real and fake apples. ;]
 
surely you can smell the onion through the thin candy coat - onions don't exactly smell like apples
 
Uncut onions don't have a terribly strong smell either.
 
1:09 PM
when questioned, pawn it off as a healthy snack and pass out a flyer with the benefits of eating raw onions
i think its funny when i'm assigned a decent sized task the day before i leave for a 13 day vacation
 
Onions are also fantastic when used as medical diagnostic tools for determining the perforation of bowels.
 
perforation of bowels?
 
1:25 PM
@lsiunsuex Following a stomach injury Viking warriors were given an exceptionally strong onion soup to eat. After a few minutes the injuries were then sniffed. If the "doctor" could smell onion then it was decided that the wound was fatal.
 
interesting
 
very interesting; learn something new every day
 
/me aims to pleasure
 
Fucking Vikings, amirite? First Adrian Peterson isn't going to be ready for week 1, and now this?
 
That's really not the same thing. =/
 
1:27 PM
/me didn't realize Adrian was a Nordic name
 
Side note: this guy is saying that I shouldn't have used so many acronyms in my answer, because the OP seems dumb.
I used "DHCP, DNS, AD DS"
Hardly alphabet soup
 
@MDMarra What's DNS? Like...DiNoSaur? :-P
 
DNS is like BDSM. Both involve BIND, and occationally pain.
 
@JourneymanGeek Well MDMarra said to Google so Maybe I should google BDSM at work and see about this whole...binding thing? :-)
Google....pictures maybe
 
1:34 PM
Well, If you can't hide the evidence (and the bodies), you arn't cut out to be a sysadmin
 
The problem with underfloor bodies is that it really screws up the airflow
 
@ScottPack not if its cut into small pieces and wrapped nicely with plastic and duct tape
make sure you pull and through the teeth out
 
I would prefer to make use of one of the local pig farmers. Also shave the body. The hair isn't good for the little piggy's digestion.
 
And when you got your six pieces, you gotta get rid of them, because it's no good leaving it in the deep freeze for your mum to discover, now is it? Then I hear the best thing to do is feed them to pigs. You got to starve the pigs for a few days, then the sight of a chopped-up body will look like curry to a pisshead. You gotta shave the heads of your victims, and pull the teeth out for the sake of the piggies' digestion.
You could do this afterwards, of course, but you don't want to go sievin' through pig shit, now do you? They will go through bone like butter. You need at least sixteen pigs to finish the job in one sitting, so be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm. They will go through a body that weighs 200 pounds in about eight minutes. That means that a single pig can consume two pounds of uncooked flesh every minute. Hence the expression, "as greedy as a pig".
 
Did you pull that from a quotes archive or memory?
 
1:44 PM
quotes archive :( not as sharp as i ust to be
woot! - fabulous idea - gonna go swipe a plastic badge sleeve from HR - when i get to vegas, put my room key and credit card (debit) in it so i dont have to take my wallet to the pool and the cards wont get wet if they stay in the plastic - tack on a badge reel and leave it on my shorts
 
2:01 PM
@HopelessN00b thanks for the effort on the bad tags
 
Dan
@ChrisS Haha want
 
i don't understand the door answer :(
 
2:08 PM
ahh, now it makes sense
 
You can "craft" items from raw materials in the game, doors are made with 6 blocks of wood arranged as shown.
I thought we had a minecraft site... apparently it's just Arqade
 
2:23 PM
2
Minecraft

Proposed Q&A site for programmers and Modders of Minecraft. As well as Redstone engineers.

Closed before being launched.

 
@Iain No prob. Beats the paperwork at work. :)
 
-5
Q: Disable all security in Windows Server

TheScizI have a VM I need to perform a number of remote commands on, but security policies have been getting in my way occasionally. This particular VM is running Windows Server 2012 (build 9200). I'd like to simply disable any and all security measures that may be in place - I'd like to offer full, uni...

not sure how to proceed
 
@Basil looks like most people have DV and moved on which is about right
 
it's a valid question, but a stupid one.
 
@Basil I'm not convinced it's a valid question for a Sysadmin
 
2:32 PM
"Hey guys, I'm trying to mow my lawn with a chainsaw. Is there a way to remove that safety feature that turns the saw off when I let go of the handle?"
You might be able to remove all the security by formatting your OS partition. — Basil 6 secs ago
 
@iain I think it could be a valid question, but as asked it demonstrates the guy clearly isn't (or shouldn't be) an SA. Like "how do I shoot my foot off?" Could be useful if your foot's caught in a bear trap... but if you have to ask, you're approaching the problem wrong.
 
4 mins ago, by Iain
@Basil I'm not convinced it's a valid question for a Sysadmin
 
Oh lord, you see his comment? His script is throwing a permission error, creating a cluster, so that's why he wants to disable all security. "Doctor, I have an ingown toenail... how can I amputate my foot?"
2
 
@HopelessN00b and you thought that the quality of Linux questions was low ;)
 
@HopelessN00b Simple, mow your lawn with a chainsaw.
2
 
2:44 PM
@Basil LOL
 
@Iain Yeah, but in a relief kind of way. As in, at least it's not just lousy questions for the platform I have to work with.
 
How is that a valid question?
Even DOS had "security features"
 
Easy solution, guys: Migrate it to IT Security.
 
It got a "too localized" from me
 
3:00 PM
So..... I have my foot caught in a bear trap......
 
No, don't migrate it! I'm 20% of the way to a Reversal badge for it. Only 16 upvotes to go... practically in the bag. :D
Well, I can't get a reversal badge if you delete it either... :p
 
@HopelessN00b So close mate
 
@HopelessN00b it's gone - It's not like he didn't already ask his real question serverfault.com/questions/423058/…
 
@Rqomey Cut it off before the bear comes back to check his traps.
@AaronCopley This is not StackOverflow. We really don't migrate crap :)
 
@Rqomey make a note of your location. drag yourself to the nearest help and send them back for the bits in the trap
 
3:08 PM
@Rqomey: you need to chew your own legs off.
 
@Iain It's all good. Now I've got something almost as good as a reversal badge - someone to blame for why I don't have a reversal badge. :)
 
@HopelessN00b pleased to be of service
 
@voretaq7 lol.. touche.
 
Oh, I guess I was hoping more for a consultant recommendation...
 
3:17 PM
@Rqomey about?
 
Well, there's this bear trap right... and my foot (should this actually be in the home improvements site?)
 
@Rqomey diy.medicine.stackexchange.com?
 
Hmm... I think I've had about enough of this freaking internal network -> DMZ -> TMG -> ASA -> hosted webfilter nonsense. I wonder if I can sell that my home is a backup of the backup DR site to get a hole opened in the firewalls.
 
@HopelessN00b What's DMZ in that diagram? Another ASA?
 
@voretaq7 Could you imagine the fun?
 
3:31 PM
@MDMarra. That's the plan. Right now it's just a different subnet which has... one of the NICs of the TMG server on it. And, in case you didn't know, having TMG redirect to itself on another interface creates lots of interesting headaches.
 
@voretaq7 is a cranky bastard today.
Not for nothing, but this is literally the first result for change the hostname of a Debian server on Google. Server Fault is for Information Technology Professionals per the FAQ -- It is assumed professionals will at least type their question title into Google first before asking here... — voretaq7 34 secs ago
 
Meh. Nuke question-asker from orbit would be my recommendation.

Guess that makes me crankier than you on even your cranky days.
 
@voretaq7 I wonder how many SunOS machines have the hostname of -f.
3
 
@84104 n>1
 
@voretaq7 Your answer makes up for in accuracy what it lakes in precision.
 
3:40 PM
wonders how many SunOS machines are still in use
 
@Iain None. It's Oracle Solaris now, and if you call it the wrong name the lawnmower will chop off your hand and send you an invoice :)
 
sudo rm -rf
Funny. Doing that in tex.se gets flagged, automatically.
 
You want rm -rf / here I think.
Yup. That's the one.
 
What I did worked too.
 
@Iain I have two. One has.. let me check the uptime, moment.
 
3:43 PM
@ShaneMadden a real SunOS 4.x ?
 
@voretaq7 SunOS was not Solaris.
 
@ChrisS But Solaris is SunOS :-)
 
@MDMarra that guy's a dick; serverfault.com/a/423315/1435
 
"Sun: We SUCK at naming things!" <-- Official company motto?
 
@voretaq7 Not really....Though I suppose you could try to argue... Its similar enough to make jokes about.
 
3:45 PM
@Iain Nah, 8.
 
@ChrisS uname says Solaris is SunOS. It's impolite to question a server's OS Identity, even if it's not traditionally conforming :)
 
3469 days, 8 hours, and 3 minutes up.
 
@Chopper3 yep
 
and technically Sun did back-number SunOS 4.x as "Solaris 1" even though nobody ever called it that
 
@voretaq7 It's confused. Can you blame it?
 
3:47 PM
@ChrisS No. The sordid history of Sun's operating system development even confuses me.
 
They should have stuck with the BSD kernel and fixed their userland....
 
@ShaneMadden For me anything > SunOS 4 is Solaris and out of curiosity why still Solaris 8 ?
 
@Iain Neglect. It's currently a race to see if I can decommission the services that depend on it before it hits 10 years up. It might win.
 
@Iain because they'd lose their uptime :)
@ChrisS instead they changed to a SysV kernel/init and dragged the BSD userland along in /usr/ucb/* -- Compromise! NOBODY WINS!
 
@ShaneMadden what's the hardware ?
 
3:50 PM
@Chopper3 I duuno about "dick", but his comment certain makes me think "dumbass."

Guess that makes me crankier than you on even your cranky days.
 
0
Q: GtkView GtkSpell and myspell backend

user11722Hi I have an IM client pidgin. It is launched under locale ru_RU.UTF-8 Then when I type messages in GtkView widget it highlights the misspelled words. However it uses a GtkSpell which uses enchant, which uses myspell backend (I provided it with symlink to openoffice dictionaries folder /...

There is some true crap in The Pit of Unanswered Despair.
 
And spent years trying to make it all work. =/
They could be miles ahead now if they had stuck with the BSD base.
 
@ChrisS prrrrrobably
and they would be able to mooch off Free/Net/OpenBSD
 
@Iain It's a Netra something or other.. not sure which model.
 
Aww, despairing crap baleted. :(
 
3:53 PM
click faster :P
 
@voretaq7 They still did/do.
 
@ChrisS yes but not for anything really good
 
@ShaneMadden at least the good thing about Solaris/SPARC is that it's binary compatible all the way to 10
 
At least they were giving back to the community until the lawnmower...
 
Hmmm... anyone here ever used Avamar to back up a Domain controller?
 
3:58 PM
@Chopper3 Did you see what the OP accepted as the answer?
 
@ChrisS they're still giving back
the community needs an object of pity and ridicule
 
If you say so
LUNCH TIME!
 
@MDMarra A retard and a dick. I edited out the asshole part, by the way
 
@ChrisS You people and your time zones.
 
Argh
 
4:03 PM
@MDMarra He had the accept on mine for a bit. Pulled it though.
 
So I converted my laptop to btrfs. Big mistake. I have no idea what I'm doing
 
@Chopper3 Downvoted the answer because I haven't been mean enough lately. And it was wrong.
@JoelESalas StackOverflow is ---> that way.
@JoelESalas Oh wait, you're into DevOps now. My bad.
 
if there were a couple or more of NARQ close votes on it (it's not clear what he wants to do) I'd be happy to nuke it
 
@Iain Leave it, you bastard
It puts me over the rep cap for the day
:)
I plan on editing it later, but the OP would just roll it back now.
 
@MDMarra no its a shit question with a shittier answer and we can do without it on SF
 
4:09 PM
@MDMarra Yeah, he did that to me earlier too. I think the shit/wrong accepted answer makes it... not good to leave around.
 
@MDMarra edit it into acceptability and let us know so we can lock it?
(which question is this again?)
 
-1
Q: VMWare - how can I access a "shared" "partition" from within a VM?

orokusakiI'll be using a VMWare VM, and from within the VM I need to be able to save files to a directory which exists outside of the VM. I'm running VMWare NOT inside of a host OS though. Is this possible, and what is the correct terminology?

And he accepted the "use VMFS to share files between a guest OS and another machine" answer... which... ouch.
Like I said, I look forward to his pending question on why his VMs won't boot up anymore.
 
yah... that's... blatantly wrong
 
@HopelessN00b I didn't think having a wrong accepted answer was grounds for deletion
 
4:14 PM
Has been before, at least when the question was marginal to begin with.
Not that it matters much... if you can edit the question to not suck, and the accepted answer keeps getting downvotes, it wouldn't be so bad, I guess.
 
Locking to stop the conversation is one thing, but deleting it is overkill
In fact, wasn't there recently a blog post about using delete on bad questions sparingly?
Now all of those downvotes that help show that someone is not a useful member of the community are wiped away.
 
Now I have Overkill by Colin Hay stuck in my head.
 
@MDMarra the reaction of the folks in this room is overkill
 
I like that way of thinking, actually. @Iain undelete the "remove all security" question too now. :)
 
@HopelessN00b YAY!
That question made my friday
 
4:20 PM
@Rqomey Thanks for the enthusiasm. And you know, it kinda made my Friday too. Every time I think I'm in the most fucked up environment anywhere, I can just browse ServerFault for awful questions and get some perspective. :)
 
@Iain So it's OK for me to flag posts for deletion that have an an incorrect accepted answer?
 
There is that one question with a -8 accepted answer out there.... lemme see if data.se can pull it up for me.
 
@HopelessN00b link it if you find it. I'm feeling cranky and would like to pile on.
 
@MDMarra it was a shit question with shit answers (including yours) it does SF no good to have that stuff hanging around
 
mornin' gents.
 
4:23 PM
@Iain MDMarra's answer may have been obvious, but I don't it's fair to call it "shit."
 
@Adrian who?
 
The question, on the other hand, sure...
 
@MDMarra I wouldn't bother. I've had flags declined for that.
@voretaq7 Well, okay. You have a point.
 
OK, data.se needs some serious cleanup too. Probly be quicker to find it by the fact that I downvoted it not so long ago.
@Adrian, but here's one you could pile on while you're waiting.
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A: First login is slow in Windows 7 on every PC

Helge Klein1-2 minues is way too long if nothing much happens (massive GPOs etc.). Unfortunately there is no easy way to troubleshoot such slow logons - the delay might be network-related, or something completely different. What you can do: Trace what happens on the machine while logging on with Sysintern...

 
@HopelessN00b eh - nothing wrong with that answer except he didn't fully grasp the question
he's right that a login shouldn't take that long (even with "massive" GPOs) -- it's just the crap "roaming profile" implementation in Windows that makes it suck like @MDMarra said
 
4:33 PM
@Iain worth dropping that 'orokusaki' guy an email saying that if he's going ignore the right answers and be rude that maybe this isn't the place for him, this is a guy asking what IP was a few months ago
 
@voretaq7 Well, and saying there's no easy way to troubleshoot this.
 
i'd question how many of you are on SE payroll - cause it would infuriate me to sit here and read questions all day and point out people's ignorance - and then - to have someone question your correct answer - i'd very well reverse their IP address and spend a month in their city find them at a bar to kill them.
 
@lsiunsuex If you can't deal with ignorant assholes, maybe the internet isn't the place for you. :p
 
@HopelessN00b he's right about that too unless Windows has changed drastically and produces a verbose log of the profile creation process :-)
 
dealing is 1 thing - going out of your way to help someone and then they turn around and question you is different
 
4:36 PM
@voretaq7 It does if you set it up that way, but that should probably be the step of last resort anyhow. Reading audit logs sucks.
@Adrian I found the -8 accepted answer. If you dare, feast your eyes on...
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A: How can I list my open ports on Debian?

mdpcWhat about using nmap -p1-65535 localhost

 
WhyTF would you use nmap instead of netstat?
 
Ok, why is Fedora trying to mount an ext4 filesystem when there is none in my fstab
[ 27.105979] EXT4-fs (dm-2): VFS: Can't find ext4 filesystem
 
@HopelessN00b heh, well I can't say it's wrong, but certainly not how I would have done it
 
@Adrian I was just about to say, hey... I think I commented on something silly like that once.
 
@Adrian To collect downvotes, I think.
 
4:38 PM
@JeffFerland I think your comment hit exactly the right tone too. Well done.
As for me, I will finally have time to study starting next week. All moved into the ladyfriend's place and the furniture and extra stuff in the storage unit. It's been a long month.
 
4:53 PM
really, wtf is wrong with people theglobeandmail.com/news/national/…
 
@HopelessN00b but that's not an easy way to troubleshoot (and I've never seen it set up that way, probably b/c it's an übersuck)
 
Right. The easy way to troubleshoot is to check the client machine for hardware or software errors, check the "normal" event logs, rsop and network, not necessarily in that order.
 
yeah but that doesn't enumerate the cause of the 1-hour profile download I had ad $job[-1].
(I had a number of ISO images on my desktop, which were getting replicated with my profile. *That* ***SUCKED***.)
 
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