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12:00 AM
And far beyond what will be useful.
 
Or MAYBE we could get a computer that isn't running Windows XP on a pentium, that'd be useful
 
@Zoredache Installing NetNanny meets the requirements around here last I checked :)
 
Either way, this guys spelling/grammar alone proves him to be a bad administrator :p
 
@SimonSheehan Listen boy, back when I was in school we were GLAD to have a Pentium! mutters something about lawns and fertilizer
 
Votes to close it
@voretaq7 Haha. I'm a young padawan still, I have much to learn. Mind you, 24 minute boots suck in 2012 ;)
 
12:02 AM
@SimonSheehan Kwitchyerbitchin! Go panel-IPL the 5-year-old iSeries that runs the warehouse inventory manager - I'll see you in a week! :-P
/me shudders at memories of the World HomeCenter inventory beast. It really did take 3 whole hours to IPL, and they wouldn't buy a better machine.
 
@voretaq7 Ahaha. embarrassingly had to google that. Almost as old as me! :P
 
What are the 5 words you never want to hear from your AS/400 operator?
 
"I hate this job" ?
 
@SimonSheehan "I can't find the key"
 
@voretaq7 Never even knew these things existed until now :p
 
12:05 AM
@voretaq7 As in a physical key to open the case?
 
@Zoredache As in the key to operate "protected" functions on the control panel (like, say, an IPL)
IBM charges a small fortune for the new fancy electronic ones, and if you can't get a replacement key you have to replace the panel (at which point it may make sense to just upgrade the machine)
 
This sounds awful
 
Riddle me this. This search term "[licensing] closed:0" produces more hits than this one "[licensing]"
 
I see 138 for [licensing] closed:0 and 246 for [licensing]. What are you seeing?
 
@ScottPack Do not meddle in the affairs of search, for it is subtle and DEATH BY HONEY BADGERS!
 
12:15 AM
@Zoredache I see 138 for [licensing] closed:0 and 108 for just [licensing]
 
@ScottPack (also make sure you're not on the "unanswered" tab)
@ScottPack hmm actually no those aren't the results you'd get on the unanswered tab....
I blame the honey badger.
 
@voretaq7 Well, I have no idea which tab I was on because none of them were selected. However when I went to /questions and redid my search, I got the 246 from @Zoredache.
I blame developers
 
@ScottPack OK by me.
and now: I FLEE!
::flees()
 
@voretaq7 Speaking of. How's your java and/or coldfusion?
 
@ScottPack FLEEEE!
 
12:18 AM
Honey badger doesn't give a shit about your search.
 
(I hate both languages)
 
@voretaq7 So not interested in a job at a picturesque public university?
 
@ScottPack . . . Hofstra's hiring?
wait, no, they're private
<- really wants to know what's wrong with that plane.
I may have to email the dude selling it.
 
@voretaq7 What? No. Fuck them.
 
@MarkHenderson I did but I declined the in-person interview after much deliberation about a possible move to NYC with the fiancee
 
12:21 AM
@ScottPack no, I'd get a nasty disease!
 
@voretaq7 Probably. You know how those people on Long Island are.
 
@MDMarra Drug her and put her in the back of the U-Haul. She'll acclimate once she's here.
 
Haha it wasn't all her. We were both on the fence
 
I'll bet Restless Leg Syndrome gets passed around like a joint at a theatre major's party.
 
@ScottPack The year I started Hofstra was #1 in the country for incidence of STDs in the student body.
 
12:22 AM
@MDMarra Giggity
 
I went through 4 years without sleeping with any hofstra students.
 
;)
 
@voretaq7 I see what you did there.
 
@voretaq7 Was about to post "What's wrong with Hofstra?" I guess I know now.....
 
I wonder if I can find out STI incident rate online. Hmm
 
12:23 AM
@AdrianK Yeah. The campus is full of pussy though twitpic.com/2rur10
 
Also, @Zypher, please don't kidnap me. I had pop eyes chicken for lunch and have the immediate need to be within 20 feet of an unoccupied restroom at all times for the remainder of the night.
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@AdrianK (because THIS is why!)
@MDMarra Love that chicken from popeye's?
 
I had the new "Wicked Chicken" that they're advertising like crazy. Let me tell you, it lives up to the hype.
It's certainly wicked, just not with the same kind of inflection that they use on the commercials
 
@MDMarra Vir! We are not biologically equipped to handle 'fast food'!
 
I agree
 
12:26 AM
@voretaq7 Thank you for that :)
 
@ScottPack (EPIC failure of the intertubes: I cannot find that as a video clip ANYWHERE!)
 
@voretaq7 Did you ever find it amusing that 90% of the acting talent on that show was completely held by two aliens?
@voretaq7 I've ripped the entire run, so I could probably cut it out with two simple things. Time and patience.
 
@ScottPack 3 (pick from Bill Mumy as Lennier or Mira Furlan as Delenn)
 
@MDMarra Ahh ok
 
@ScottPack yeah. I could too. But LAAAAAAAAAAAZY
 
12:27 AM
They're asking me to do several phone interviews before they ask me to come in
 
@voretaq7 That's true, they were both good as well, though a lot more under(utilized|played).
 
I was hoping you could give me a heads up as to what to expect :p
 
@MarkHenderson cheap bastards won't pay for the plane ticket? :)
 
haha
 
@voretaq7 More like it costs about $10k to get me there, so they dont want to waste their or my time and money
 
12:28 AM
Are you going for the Sys engineer job, or a dev job?
 
@MarkHenderson Can't they just stuff you into a cat carrier?
 
@voretaq7 What, you didn't catch my Delenn quote?
 
@MDMarra Engineer. Same deal as you, they asked me to apply for it
 
@ScottPack I did, but it still doesn't override my inherent lazy
 
@voretaq7 I dont like confines. I will need a scratcing post and someone to pet me the whole way
 
12:29 AM
@MarkHenderson Have you had a phone interview yet?
 
@MarkHenderson Is your name "Ripples"? cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2012/01/25/…
 
@MDMarra Yeah I spoke with Shawn for about an hour last week. He stayed up till 1am to call me
 
Wow nice
 
So things are sort of difficult to co-ordinate, time-wise
 
I talked to him too. Seems like a nice guy
 
12:30 AM
@voretaq7 Haha no, but I wish I was
 
@voretaq7 I'm trying to decide what to queueueueueueueueue up for my next show to watch. I'm nearly halfway through La Femme Nikita now. I'm enjoying it, but it's not as good as I remembered.
 
@MDMarra Yeah he does seem that way. I asked him some really dumb questions, because I know nothing about NY or the USA in general. I had to ask him to explain to me where New Jersey is...
 
@MarkHenderson maps.google.com
 
Heh, don't worry. Most of us try to forget where it is daily
 
@ScottPack Yeah, not that simple. NY seems to label things different to Australian cities
What we call "Sydney" is about 100km by 150km
What you call "New York" is really quite small
 
12:32 AM
@MarkHenderson Oh, yeah, when you start talking about metro areas things get all kinds of screwed up.
 
Where I live, "New Jersey" would still be considered "New York", even though its in a different state
 
Yeah, things are packed pretty dense in that area
 
And he also told me that NJ has a reputation as a shithole, but its really not so bad if you have a family and are willing to commute
I also don't understand how the fuck your income tax works. It seems you're taxed on so many different levels
 
@MarkHenderson "new york city" is actually fairly large (500sq.mi.)
 
Here, my employer witholds 38% of my income, and I get a refund eveyr 12 months. End of story.
 
12:34 AM
@MarkHenderson Nobody does.
 
@MarkHenderson Not understanding the taxes, is a very important point of how the system works. You are just supposed to blindly let the government take money.
 
@MarkHenderson The parts of NJ that are near NYC don't have as bad of a reputation
 
Well its kinda tough to figure out how much dispoable income a salary provides
 
@MarkHenderson Here the the federal government takes between 30 and 45% of your income, the states take another 3-9%, and your locality may try to snatch another 1-3%, also there's sales tax.
 
@voretaq7 See, now when I looked at your tax tables, it seemed to me that the federal government only takes about 16%
 
12:35 AM
I had a friend that lived in Hoboken, NJ for a couple of years and took a train into New York City daily. She ended up moving into the city after a while, though
 
@MarkHenderson In return you get... um... some cotton wadding to shove up your ass to stop the bleeding.
 
(it was from wikipedia though)
 
@MarkHenderson Don't forget medicare and social security taxes :)
 
Unless you are either Mitt Romney or his secretary, then the government only takes ~15%.
 
@voretaq7 Yeah..... exactly
 
12:36 AM
@voretaq7 You poor fool. You pay into Social Security?
 
So do you actually have to pay a tax bill every year?
Or does your employer take care of it for you?
 
@MarkHenderson depends on the type of employment. Most people have it withheld by their employer
 
@ScottPack you are required to - even though it won't be there when you retire. Pay for your grandmother!
 
@MarkHenderson I tend to expect about 25% of my income to go towards taxes and such. Since buying a house and having a child (both of which greatly reduce my taxable income) I tend to get a bit of a refund.
 
But some places set people up as full-time independent contractors, where they're responsible for their own tax payments - usually quarterly
 
12:37 AM
@MarkHenderson Employers usually do withholding for you. You CAN elect to have them just give you all your money and you pay the government, but that's painful.
 
@MDMarra That's not so bad then. If the employer can withhold tax and I can submit for a refund each year, it makes figuring shit out so much easier
 
@voretaq7 As an employee of Ohio I do not pay into social security.
 
^^ More realistic tax expectations
 
@voretaq7 thanks
 
12:37 AM
@MarkHenderson Yep. I just about ~1000 back in my taxes for the year
 
@ScottPack People like you are the reason the system is going broke! :P
 
From the federal govt
I owed the state of PA $1
 
@MDMarra Dude. Buy a house!
 
@MDMarra I believe the IRS has been cracking down on that, and fining some companies/organizations that do that.
 
And those fuckers made my type in my checking info so many times to pay it
 
12:38 AM
My federal refund this year was $5600 :)
 
@ScottPack If you're paying 25% tax you're already 14% ahead of me right now :(
 
@voretaq7 Ohio has it's own public pension system that predates social security. So we don't pay in, but we also don't get to draw anything.
 
@Zoredache Look on Dice. So many of those jobs are Perm Con, which is basically exactly that
 
@ScottPack the reason it's bankrupt! :)
 
@MarkHenderson If you worked in NYC, you would be in a higher tax bracket than I would be :)
 
12:38 AM
Only jobs listed Con W2 have the employers withhold taxes
 
blames @ScottPack for the government's ineptitude
 
@voretaq7 Buy a house or something?
 
please tell me that your tax system is graduated
And that if you fall into a higher tax bracket, you only have to pay the higher rate on the portion that falls into that bracket
 
@voretaq7 Oh noes! You're blaming a government employee for the government sucking! Get in line, pal!
 
@ScottPack Possibly :p
 
12:39 AM
@MarkHenderson yes, it is.
 
@MarkHenderson Almost definitely :) I've seen what the cost of living there is compared to here.
 
@ScottPack NO! I'M SICK OF YOUR BUREAUCRACY AND YOUR LINES! STORM THE DMV! LICENSES FOR EVERYONE - GOD KNOWS WE CAN'T HAVE ANY WORSE DRIVERS THAN WE ALREADY DO! :-D
 
A huge, huge part of any decision I make about if I even go to NY for a face-to-face if I'm invited will be involved in "Can I afford to live there, on your salary, so that my wife doesn't have to work"
@ScottPack The cost of living in NYC is comparable to where I live now, if rent is anything to go by
 
@MarkHenderson If you don't live in NYC proper, maybe.
 
Usually, after everyone's taken their cut, a rough estimate of 33% taken out is about right
 
12:41 AM
@MDMarra 33% is still 5% better than what I'm paying now :p
 
@voretaq7 What's funny, is that the BMV rents office space from the university, so we're in the same building.
 
@MDMarra I usually say 35, but yeah - about.
 
And do they tax you on fringe benefits?
 
Depends what the benefit is
 
@MarkHenderson It depends on the benefit
 
12:42 AM
@MarkHenderson Depends on the benefit
 
SLOW POKES
 
Say your take-home pay is gross $50,000 but then your employer gives you a phone + insurance + a poodle worth a combined total of $10,000, do they tax you on that extra 10k?
 
however in the eyes of the IRS: "Yes. Always. Give us your money"
 
@voretaq7 That forbes article is interesting. I'll have to ask my controller what our final numbers were, but I think our deductions actually dropped is down a tax bracket.
 
@MarkHenderson rent is expensive in the city. If you don't mind taking trains and stuff, living in a suburb is a much better arrangement
@MarkHenderson I don't pay on any of that
 
12:43 AM
@MarkHenderson Depending on how they give you the phone, no.
 
I do pay on tuition reimbursement
 
@MDMarra Yeah, I commute for a 20-min drive where I work now, and that's considered unbelievably short in Sydney. I used to commute for 65 minutes on the train, and thats considered "normal", so commuting is something Im quite used to
 
@ScottPack My deductions don't knock me into another bracket, but they move me substantially lower within my bracket
 
well, I pay taxes on it
 
@MarkHenderson I have a work provided laptop, and pay no taxes on it. They used to reimburse me for my cell phone, which I had to pay taxes on.
 
12:43 AM
(I couldn't donate enough to drop myself into a lower bracket and still afford to.. ya know... EAT.)
 
@MarkHenderson Similarly, if I enroll in classes I have a 100% tuition waiver, which is also taxable.
 
@ScottPack Ahh, that sounds similar to here. If it's just "given", you dont pay tax, but if it's re-imbursed, you do
 
IF they give you the phone, you don't pay taxes. If they reimburse you for your own phone, then yes
 
@MarkHenderson um. Our mass transit in the suburbs is... well... "Dysfunctional" doesn't quite cover it.
 
@MarkHenderson In general, that's probably a pretty fair statement.
 
12:44 AM
The brits would call it "Proper Fucked"
 
@voretaq7 That's ok. Mine is non-existant.
Everyone tells me not to bother buying a car though, but i'm not quite ready to give up that freedom :p
 
@MDMarra that's pretty much the deal. If they pay for it outright it's not taxed. If they pay you and you pay it it's taxed.
 
That wholly depends on where you live
 
@voretaq7 The standard deduction might have done it, but between child care, home stuff, student loan interest, etc.... I stopped taking the standard deduction a few years ago.
 
If you're in NYC, then don't even bother with a car
 
12:45 AM
You CAN however write off phone service if you're required to have it for business.
 
If you're in a suburb, then you almost need it with the state of mass transit
 
(but only the % of it that is USED for business. Which means I can write off about 3% of my cell phone bill a year)
 
@MDMarra We've been looking on the internet at places like Park Slope
 
@voretaq7 Yes, that's true. Though I do wonder what kind of documentation you need to have in the event of an audit.
 
@voretaq7 don't forget the portion of the data plan that you use to send/receive work email!
 
12:46 AM
@ScottPack I don't deduct my home internet because of that. But my phone I write off 5% and say I check my email evenings/weekends
 
or nagios alerts!
 
And we've also researched places like Monclair
 
@MDMarra My alerting system doesn't bother me. Though it would if it was important.
@MarkHenderson eugh, WAY too far dude :)
Montclair is more reasonable.
 
@voretaq7 Yeah, they used to reimburse up to a certain amount. Since they stopped that, I haven't actually bothered to figure out what to deduct. I figure it can't possibly be enough to matter.
 
@MarkHenderson I'm not very familiar with the outskirts of New York, I live ~100 miles away from there
 
12:47 AM
@voretaq7 Yeah I typed the wrongt name :p
 
Wait, what?
There's a Monclair and a Montclair?
 
I do have a lot of friends that live in the area though
 
@ScottPack Nah I wrote umm, something else
 
That's what I get for opening another tab.
 
@MarkHenderson Look at the outer boroughs like Brooklyn and Queens
 
12:48 AM
@voretaq7 Brooklyn looks nice
 
@MarkHenderson Honestly, if I were you, I'd be more worried about having to learn feet/yards/miles, ounces/pounds, cups/quarts/gallons
 
But we also have a young son and are planning another child in the near future, which means that a back yard is getting more critical
 
You can be reasonably close to subway/bus service, reasonably close to parks, and in the right area you might even be able to get away with a zipcar membership
 
and driving on the correct side of the road
 
@MDMarra Fuck that shit. I've already decided that I will just continue to use metric and let other people figure it out
 
12:49 AM
hahaha
 
@MarkHenderson Then you're looking at NJ or Nassau/Suffolk counties on the island
 
@MDMarra And then I'll probably crash a space probe into Mars, but whatever
 
No big deal
 
@MarkHenderson Hey, if you're looking for a great area to raise kids and have a backyard, might I point you at a java/coldfusion job at a lovely university?
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@MarkHenderson THAT NEVER HAPPENS...except once. twice. fuck
 
12:50 AM
@ScottPack lol@coldfusion
 
@ScottPack hah, I'm not a dev :P I cant write java or coldfusion to save my life
 
@ScottPack @MarkHenderson Bonus: College tuition will probably be free...
 
@MarkHenderson Perfect!
 
@MarkHenderson that's OK. Java and CF devs can't write code to save their lives either!
 
@ScottPack Are they willing to pay re-location costs and wait several months while I tie up my current job? And fly me to the other side of the world to do an inteview?
 
12:51 AM
@voretaq7 That's true. 100% tuition reimbursement for employees, spouses, and children. Great health care.
 
@ScottPack So, as you saw on twitter, I took this week off. Got a call from my boss last night. 80k for a pair of SANs: approved
 
@ScottPack Not really the best choices. Education in Australia is free, and university used to be free too. And we already have free universal health care :p
 
@MarkHenderson I'm not answering that shit. I work in security, not HR.
 
I've been pushing for it for almost 2 years now. They couldn't even wait until i was back in the office to approve it
 
@MarkHenderson But our housing and tax rate is way cheaper :)
@MDMarra Like I said, they're telling you not to come back.
 
12:53 AM
@ScottPack Well, it wouldn't be difficult for housing to be cheaper than where I live. The 2br, 90m2 apartment I bought a few years ago is worth about $350,000 these days. And I'm a 60-min commute to the city.
A house here is about $800,000 - $1m for an average one
 
Does anyone else think @Holocryptic's picture of his beard makes him look like a less attractive and intelligent Will Wheaton?
 
@MarkHenderson Seriously though, look at Cobble Hill / Caroll Gardens / Park Slope brooklyn, or Forest Hills / Rego Park / Astoria in queens. You can find places with back yards (they'll be kerspensive tho)
 
@voretaq7 I'm going to copy and paste that into notepad and save it :) Thanks. Insider knowledge is always so much better than typing "Is Queens a shithole" into google and seeing what it says
 
@MarkHenderson that's about what you're looking for an attached or semi-detached (brownstone) in the outer boroughs, or an apartment in Manhattan :)
 
@MarkHenderson Oh jeebus. My 2 bedroom, ~2000sq.ft. house on 1/8th acre a scant .75 miles from the city centre was 175k.
 
12:55 AM
@ScottPack ha
 
@ScottPack Yeah. So if I move, I'm not selling this place. I can get $1500/month rent for it withotu even trying.
 
@MarkHenderson Visit the neighborhood during the day, at night, and on friday/saturday (morning and night) -- It'll be pretty obvious if it's a shithole :)
 
@voretaq7 haha universal rule I think. I also look at crime statistics
 
Like I didn't list Jackson Heights in queens -- there are some really nice parts of Jackson Heights, and there are also places I won't walk through at night.
 
@MarkHenderson I wouldn't either. Although, we've had professors come from places like DC where they pay cash for their home with the profits from their old homes.
 
12:56 AM
Its amazing that I see people recommend certain areas for people with families, but a quick google and a crime report shows multiple stabbings, fatalitis, gang wars, etc.
 
@MarkHenderson Crime statistics are pretty widely aggregated though -- Freeport (the village I'm in) has some gnarly numbers, and you'd think where I am would be bad (right off a highway), but it's great.
 
@voretaq7 Hmm... ok. Sometimes I do a drive-through with Google Street View as well, but of course they're all taken in the middle of the day :p
 
@MarkHenderson yeah :P
 
They should do a Google Street View by Night version
 
^ The building I'm in
 
12:58 AM
@voretaq7 And you say its nice?
 
@MarkHenderson Honestly though, when you cram 8 million people into a city, there will be crime everywhere
 
@MarkHenderson well, it's an apartment in freeport within easy walking distance to the train
and in the spring-through-fall reasonable walking distance to "the nautical mile"
 
@voretaq7 Haha, I didnt understand any of what you just said
Except "train" and "walking distance"
And thats fairly important
 
if you look around the immediate neighborhood it's not all that
 
@MarkHenderson I would have though you would understand the word 'easy' as well....
 
1:00 AM
Its fucking cold in NY though, isn't it?
 
and apartment
@MarkHenderson in the winter, yeah
 
(like I wouldn't raise kids in my building -- we've got no grounds for them to play in)
 
In the summer it's 80-90F
 
@voretaq7 Yeah thats fairly important :p
 
@MarkHenderson depends on the year, but yeah. We swig from 0F or below to 95F or above.
 
1:00 AM
That's 32c
I would consider 32c a pretty piss-weak summer day :p
 
It's rare to break 100F
Though, it does happen from time to time
 
@MarkHenderson oh we'll hit 35C some days.
 
In summer (i.e. today) it's common to hit 40c (104f) at least once or twice a week
 
@MDMarra "It's not the heat, it's the humidity"
(or more to the point: Would you like some water? Just wave your glass around and it'll fill up!)
 
In winter, a low of 10c (50f) would be about typical
 
1:02 AM
@MarkHenderson we'll have those days but it's an event.
 
This winter has been a warm one so far
 
@voretaq7 They close schools here at 45c (113f), but that only happens every two or three years
 
@MarkHenderson we... don't do that.
 
Well thankyou all for your kind advice, I'm going to grab some lunch
 
our schools also aren't usually air-conditioned.
 
1:03 AM
If things go to plan, maybe I will be able to meet some of you in six months
 
-7c or below is a regular winter occurrence though -- Expect to buy a winder wardrobe :)
 
Now that @voretaq7 told me where he lives, maybe Ill just pop by some day unannouned :p
 
haha, do it!
 
@MarkHenderson pfft, my address is listed in the whois system still
 
Haha
Anyway, cya all
 
1:04 AM
(although it lists it as being in "Freeport, NE York 11520")
I will also go to find a meal (dinner)
FLEE FOR REAL THIS TIME!
::throws fleas::
::flees::
 
 
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