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12:14 AM
@coredump @Chopper3 is the expert there....
I'll try to reply
 
12:26 AM
@coredump take a look at my reply
 
12:42 AM
@Jacob <3
 
@coredump No upvotes hmm must be wrong
 
@Jacob what, my upvote doesn't count?
 
@coredump I show 0 weird?
I see it
Thank you
 
12:59 AM
anyone around?
 
Ok, we're going to 32GB... wish me luck ;-)
 
@Jacob, do you have a reference for your BGP/AS requirement? Some pages I saw lead me to believe that it could work with other routing protocols, or if you just statically assigned routes.
But then I am assuming private use for the static/non-bgp.
 
@Zoredache Well anycast requires >1 network to use an IP block, and I read thats tthe only way
I'll look
 
working with a client right now whose firewall shits a brick every 7 minutes
from the packet captures, every 7-9 minutes, this server blasts about 25,000 syn packets to random addresses on the Internet
 
Right, but lets say I am a school district, responsible for lots of schools. I could assign the same address space to each school, and assign shared services to each.
 
1:06 AM
@Zoredache So like all your DCs are 192.168.1.1?
 
Probably not DCs... But maybe for DNS.
Or maybe for a web server that serves a wpad.dat for auto-proxy configuration
This was the article I was looking at. aharp.ittns.northwestern.edu/papers/k5-anycast/index.html -- Anycast addressing is nothing more than assigning a common IP address to multiple instances of the same service, which are located at strategic points in the overal network topology.
 
@Zoredache I'd get a dumpy PFsense box or w/e for each location you want to anycast
 
My point was that I don't think you necessarily need an AS or BGP for internal use, and the first point in your answer #1 Yes, you need a AS to run anycast, seems not entirely correct. But it may just be the way you have written that. It seems like you are saying that an AS is required, but you'll only need BGP for the Internet.
 
1:21 AM
@Zoredache I though internal needed it too?
 
BGP is a tool for automatically distributing routes. I can statically define routes on my routers and mostly get the same results as what you would get with BGP.
I can also use other routing protocols EIGRP, OSPF, RIP, etc... I am not sure all of them will work with anycast, but I did see a article mention using OSPF for distributing anycast internally.
 
Definitely don't need BGP to implement Anycast, it just makes it much easier.
 
Here is a howto for linux + ospf.. openfusion.net/linux/anycast_dns
That doesn't look to hard. But that is also a trivial example. I suspect it could become a lot more complex depending on your requirements.
 
OSPF and RIP are the most common ones to use in internal networks... OSPF is much more efficient with larger networks; small networks they both work fine.
BGP needs an AS, but there are "internal" AS numbers for isolated systems or special purposes (something akin to 1918 IPs).
 
2:23 AM
THat Anycast thing is really confusing
 
Gents - I may be missing something, but is there any way to flag inappropriate information in a users' bio?
Kim Jong Woo, Burnaby, BC, Canada
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scroll down...
 
@ErikA Wow :(
Jerk the NK thing ain't funny :(
@mark Henderson hhaahha
 
no there's not
just flag his question
and put the details in the text
but I don't really think its actionable
 
2:49 AM
Good evening everyone!
 
hey @Vert
has anyone used netgate firewalls running pfsense? store.netgate.com/Default.aspx
 
@hobodave Nah but I run Pfsense
@hobodave Still need(looking) a consultant?
 
no I'm just seeking experiences with that vendor
 
@hobodave I'd roll my own... Pickup like a Super micro Atom server and go
 
@hobodave Nope, sorry. Just Linux software firewalls.
 
2:55 AM
this is rolling your own
 
@hobodave they use the ALIX boards, right?
 
yep
 
Well I've used those a lot. I run the ALIX 2d3 at home, and have installed them for several businesses.
 
I use a old P4 4GB ram
 
2:57 AM
Awesome boards.
 
awesome thanks @ErikA
I'm looking for home use
 
@hobodave You'd save soooo much money getting an atom or using a old desktop
 
Netgate's stuff seems solid, if a bit expensive and perhaps overkill for home use.
You can purchase a 2d3 board, enclosure, and power supply for around $160.
 
their stuff isn't much more expensive than that..
 
@hobodave 369
@hobodave ahh
 
3:00 AM
oh - I was on the wrong page.
 
I don't speak in nmbers
 
I though you were looking at prebuild
 
looks like they sell the same enclosure I use.
 
well they even prebuild those and preinstall pfsense for like $200
I'd prefer to do it myself
plus I want to use 2.0
 
@hobodave I run 2.0 on my P4 box
its quite nice
 
3:02 AM
I haven't yet upgraded. Still running 1.2.3
I figure we're probably close enough to a "stable" 2.0 release that I might as well wait.
 
they say RC1 is production ready
 
@ErikA Yeah certain stuff will cause it to do nothing with traffic
 
is there a such thing as a cheap GigE switch that looks plain and boring like one of these firewalls? preferably a managed or at least smart switch?
I'm thinking like $60-$80 for 4 ports
maybe 5 for uplink
 
@hobodave Netgear
 
netgear looks like ass
I will not put ugly hardware in my home
 
3:06 AM
@hobodave You realize that there are some pretty asses out there, right?
Moving on... I'm now seriously considering going into managed dedicated server hosting. Seems like fun.
 
@hobodave Its cheap and it works.... I win :P
 
@hobodave that's hilarious. Why don't you buy the hardware and then do something cheap like spray paint the case black? Or just put it somewhere not seen...
 
@hobodave I mean honestly
 
@jacob this is for the house. That's different.
 
@Vert I care about how my stuff looks. Netgear's are just too damn big too
 
3:08 AM
@Vert I meant @hobodave, I fully agree
 
I'd rather buy two 5 ports and stack them
 
@WesleyDavid When, next year like the email stuff?
@hobodave I use procurve....
 
for the record, I'm not an idiot, I know there are other options to what I'm asking. I'm asking for the exact solution I described
 
@hobodave I know the anwser... I still ask the question?
 
I don't speak that language
 
3:11 AM
@hobodave Oh sorry, I didn't see your question above. I use a ProCurve 1800-8g for my GigE switch. 8 ports, web management, knows VLANs, it's nice.
It's about $150 though. =(
 
@hobodave Wie Ich frage Ich wissen die Antwort?
:)
 
@Jacob And I don't know when I'd get into it. As soon as I get some influx of cash from contracting. Still working on that.
 
@WesleyDavid +1 for Procurve.... Wait A minute ....
 
All I could find for the Pro Curve. The actual HP site just lead me around links lol.
 
that doesn't look completely terrible
kinda bulky though
I wish youcould buy switching mobos and just put them in an enclosure
 
3:17 AM
"husband, get me a towel" "for what" "the water is getting all wet" "really?"
 
@WesleyDavid What kind of firmware is on it though? Linux? Proprietary to HP?
 
oh man, the new Thai place that opened up in my neighborhood is amazing
finally Thai that doesn't suck in Chicago
 
@Vert To the best of my knowledge, it's proprietary HP stuffs.
 
Oh, darn. I was looking for something that could be transferred to a job (I'm still young and need a decent resumé lol). I don't know of any companies that use HP for switches.
 
3:26 AM
@Vert We use ProCurve switches. (Cisco as well, though we're not buying a new Cisco)
 
@Vert learn the concepts well, then you don't need to worry about specifics - those come easy
 
ProCurve switches have a management menu that makes configuration very easy if you know the general concepts.
 
That's very true. I could always be broad when I say I have router/switch experience. I suppose it won't matter if it was all Cisco/Linux based. Maybe they'll see I have the ability to learn?
 
If you've got experience with Cisco gear, be sure to specify which OS(es).
 
in my experience both interviewing people and being interviewed, it matters a lot more that you have a deep understanding of networking theory and implementation than it does if you know, say, CatOS inside and out.
 
3:29 AM
PixOS, IOS, and CatOS all have their little idiosyncrasies.
 
Ok, I won't lie that little switch is pretty sexy. Found a price on it yet?
That's pretty awesome then. I've always done good at knowing the fundamentals and knowing the answer... I sometimes just don't know how to implement that answer on a given OS (I'm usually the backseat driver... we get more accomplished that way).
 
@Vert Note that the "Web Managed" ProCurve switches are glorified SOHO gear. It's a very different interface from their other stuff, most of which has a very similar interface.
 
Ah, thanks.
 
Maybe I should back that down to 'they have somewhat different interfaces, but the concepts and naming conventions are the same'. The lower end gear is also missing a lot of the nicer features (not sure about that particular unit but things like LACP/bonding and other link management protocols are commonly missing).
 
@Vert Yes, listen to @ChrisS - The 1800-8g has nothing in common with ProCurve office equipment other than the logo.
If you want to play with one you can get a real life ProCurve Switch for just $300 or so.
For example, a ProCurve 2610-24
 
3:37 AM
@WesleyDavid I got my 2524 (home unit) for $20 shipped. The liquidation company I got it from knew it was password protected but apparently couldn't find the manual on HP's site (believable) to find the reset procedure.
 
Not sure if those are still sold, but it's the last ProCurve I bought for a company. It was I think $350 new or something. Really inexpensive.
And yes, cruise eBay and you can get even awesomer prices
 
$300 isn't too bad (with the addition that I'd get the experience of course). Would an actual ProCurve Switch be useful in SoHo environment? Or just overkill?
 
@vert likely overkill, but anything worth doing is worth overdoing.
 
ProCurve equipment doesn't get super cheap normally because it comes with a transferable lifetime warranty and firmware updates (fixes only normally, no new features). Live Support and faster than ship-in repair cost extra and are available.
 
Oooh I likes.
 
3:41 AM
Yeah, it blows the hell out of Cisco's licensing.
 
I'm revamping the home network when I get back so I'm hoping to upgrade everything to either Wireless-N or 1Gbps cat6. I also want to add in a firewall and managed switch so I can switch to Voip home phone without any issues on other traffic. Overkill? For now :D
Oh right, and I don't have cable so I'm adding in a Boxee Box as well.
 
Overkill yes, fun yes. I've got Cat5e, 1Gbps runs fine. No QoS needed for VoIP unless the network is very heavily used. Also run HTPCs over the network and don't have any issues.
 
GUMMI WORMS!
 
@voretaq7 Awfully late for you to be on isn't it?
 
also Re: ProCurve, yeah it kicks Cisco's ass in terms of warranty, and you can find decent admins for it cheaper than Cisco guys usually
@ChrisS 10:45 - I'm usually up but not on :)
 
3:47 AM
The HP Cli is also somewhat close to Ciscos, so a good Cisco guy can figure them out (usually).
 
@ChrisS yeah. There are a few differences but it's not horrible as long as you have a book handy :-)
 
That's pretty good then. I'll definitely look at the HP ProCurve line.
 
yay 3 answers on my anycast question. None of them good enough, but I may be tick
 
@coredump :( fine
 
@Jacob awww don't be sad. I was talking about the 3 new answers :P
 
3:55 AM
@coredump what do you want to use anycasting for ?
 
Actually I do have kind of an offbeat question if nobody minds me asking. How are Professional Certs (CISSP, CCNA, etc) looked at vs a B.S. in CompSci?
 
@Jacob nothing, just want to know how to make it work
 
@coredump Magic and pixie dust!
 
@voretaq7 that's how windows works :P
 
@coredump INSUFFICIENT PIXIE DUST! WINDOWS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!
 
3:59 AM
@coredump Don't forget to reboot after the dust.
 
</morbo>
 
@coredump Let me fix that statement for you.... Thats how Mac works:P ...
 
@Jacob true. Also Macs look more like pixie stuff
 
@Jacob INSUFFICIENT PIXIE DUST! OS X DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!
 
@Vert Both prove you know enough to pass tests. The BS proves you can stick with something for the long haul. Neither are a substitute for experience though. Both will generally get you past HR, but experience is what the hiring manager is going to want to hear about. Each business will have it's own preferences for BS vs Degree (or both).
 
4:00 AM
photographic evidence to follow
 
@ChrisS Ok, I'm hoping my five years in military will help give me the experience part. I just wasn't sure if getting Professional Certs would be worth my time in the eye's of an employer.
 
@voretaq7 INSUFFICIENT PIXIE DUST(MY ASS)! OS X DOES WORK THAT WAY!... Edited for correctness by Jacob
 
@Jacob Then explain the kernel panic on the iPhone display, MacBoy! :-P
 
@voretaq7 Then explain the kernel panic on the Phone display :-P
 
@Vert Where I work, certs are required, either you already have them, or you get some before your 90 day. Other places couldn't care less...
 
4:03 AM
@voretaq7 So what do I need to go find a BSOD photo on Windoze?
 
@ChrisS Good to know, thank you very much!
 
@Jacob Preferably one on a display for a Windows Mobile product or something similar...
 
Explain that PIXIE MAN....
HUH?!?
 
@Jacob Dude... it's WINDOWS. Just reboot and get on with your life :-)
insert "If Microsoft made cars" thingy here.
 
@voretaq7 So If I just found the cure to some horrible disease and WinBull Shit crashes you want me to reboot!?!
 
4:11 AM
@Jacob well
I'd prefer you didn't do anything critical to the safety of the world on Windows
:-)
Or MacOS honestly.
 
@voretaq7 So Linux?
 
@Jacob Linux is some Finnish kid's college operating systems homework that somehow escaped into the wild.
 
@voretaq7 NOONNONOONNOONNON I just run everything at a Nuclear Power station on one XP box with zero Antivirus and NO Firewall... It'll be ok..... Oh and I left root PW on my desktop....
2
 
Granted BSD is a bunch of college kids' homework assignments, but they were grad students and the DoD was paying for it :-)
 
Linux hating too? It breaks my heart to see this, it really does...
 
4:14 AM
@Jacob um... that's a little too close to the truth actually... remember many medical devices still run IE5 or IE6...
 
@voretaq7 OK WELL, HOW THE HELL SHALL I SAVE THE WORLD, WITH NO OS'ES TO USE??
 
@Vert I hate all operating systems. Because they all suck. cf. linuxmafia.com/cabal/os-suck.html
@Jacob Do it in hardware like a real man! EE FTW!
 
@voretaq7 I now will never go back to any hospital or medical place due to that statement... :(
 
@Jacob FDA is on IE6 I believe. Just got approved to use it this year.
 
@voretaq7 I'm moving to like an Island due to that one
@voretaq7 NOONNONOONNOONNON I just run everything at a Nuclear Power station on one XP box with zero Antivirus and NO Firewall... It'll be ok..... Oh and I left root PW on my desktop....
@voretaq7 NOONNONOONNOONNON I just run everything at a Nuclear Power station on one XP box with zero Antivirus and NO Firewall... It'll be ok..... Oh and I left root PW on my desktop....
 
4:17 AM
there ya go :-)
 
Linux hating too? It breaks my heart to see this, it really does...
 
@voretaq7 Win
 
http://tracyreed.org/photo-album/funny/takeittux.jpg
Not safe for Linux Shops...
 
Sorry for the same msg twice. Net timed out and kept on sending it lol.
 
@voretaq7 Best photo EVER!
 
4:19 AM
@Jacob it's old
 
But that's my favorite part about Linux! The "what's regressed this time" game.
 
@Jacob hmmm, hang on -- Must find phone number for you
 
@Vert That you take it from BSD?
 
@Jacob Not so much that lol.
 
4:23 AM
@Vert LIES!
 
grumble... where's the damn phone number.... hmmm
 
I have nothing against *BSD. Well, I don't like the BSD license but thats all
 
@coredump You want to accept my answer for IP anycasting? :)
 
AHA!
 
@Jacob in 10 days I will. :P
 
4:27 AM
@jacob: (707) 262-0380 (Re: Weather messages)
 
@coredump Damn
@voretaq7 I'm too scared to ask...
 
@Jacob call it (if calling california isn't expensive for you). It's just a weather station.
 
@voretaq7 Why?
 
it's one of the old AWOS-2 units, it's funny to listen to if you've never heard one before
 
righty
 
@Vert "It's BSD. Stop bitching and fix it, or send us a backtrace." ;-)
yeah, we're assholes. But my system only has 40 running processes :-D
 
@voretaq7 I like the guys behind BSD precisely because of that. I find the outlook amusing.
Besides... it makes an awesome server lol.
 
@Vert It's really not so hard - the kernel gives you a text-format dump these days
 
@voretaq7 Nice They have great visibility
:)
 
<oldman>Back in my day you had to pull the crash dump out of your swap partition and go through it with a debugger!</oldman>
 
4:32 AM
@voretaq7 In such a way as to be accessible to a novice sysadmin?
 
@Jacob 10 is the limit of the sensor (and the human eye :-)
 
@voretaq7 I've heard em before, NOAA has a station here so does our airport
 
@Vert I believe so -- the whole idea is so newbies wouldn't need to run through the work of using a debugger
@Jacob with very few exceptions all public airports have at least AWOS-2 these days
most of them have the cloud lasers though. I always get a kick out of "Sky condition: Missing" when I hear it.
or around here at the airport I fly from our wind sensor occasionally gets blown over and we get "Wind: Missing"
 
@voretaq7 hmmm
 
@voretaq7 Yours has audible warnings/msgs?
 
4:38 AM
@Vert the AWOS line does
and the tower is usually good about begging for wind reports when the sensor gets screwed up
 
@voretaq7 Interesting, I've never seen one that gives audible warnings. Maybe all the .mil ones are silenced on purpose.
 
@Vert it doesn't report if one of the standard components is missing?
 
@voretaq7 Only on Control Units or a separate monitoring station if I set one up to do so. It's not audible though, just text reports.
@voretaq7 I just assumed they were all like that, but maybe these are just made to be "tactical" or some such.
 
hmm, I'm not sure what our METAR does when the sensor breaks - I think it just throws the $
(that breaks every METAR processor that my CS students ever write. I'm such a bastard ;)
 
@voretaq7 right----write :P
 
4:42 AM
yeah yeah yeah
it's 11:42 at night and I'm drinking, I'm allowed to make grammar mistakes :-)
Now someone bring me a blended cat!
 
METAR? Dunno what that is, maybe our guys use one remotely and just never explained it to me.
@voretaq7 I'm not even sure how I got stuck fixing their equipment anyway lol.
 
@Vert the text-format weather that comes out of most of these stations every hour
military stations might be different but all the FAA/NOAA stations I've ever encountered generate 'em
 
@voretaq7 Ah, then I have seen that. Just didn't know the name for it.
 
:-) OK, midnight on the firing line -- sleepy time for me. See y'all tomorrow.
 
@voretaq7 That was a good episode. I wonder if I should queue up B5 for after I finish X-Files
 
4:56 AM
@voretaq7 'night! See you later!
 
5:32 AM
Dangit. Site mysteriously stops serving pages right as I'm about to go to bed.
 
@WesleyDavid You just have to look deep inside of yourself to get the answer.
 
Actually, I can get to other files in the directory via a browser
it's as if the index.php file is not being served
 
Incorrect/malfunctioning config file? : /
 
What annoys me most is I haven't touched this site in a week.
So why something would go wrong now... makes me think that something has been tampered with.
Well, I checked out .htaccess to see if there was anything funky. Nothing.
 
Diff the index.php and config file against a recent backup.
 
5:44 AM
Yeah, doing it now
Fortunately I take nightly FTP backups and SQL dumps.
O_o
configuration.php shows that the $log_path and $tmp_path variables have been changed.
 
6:03 AM
Unless for some reason you've run some "setup script" installing a mod or something like that... sounds like tampering if you're the only one with access to it.
 
Yeah, it's looking more and more suspicious.
I'm considering just reloading everything from a week old backup since nothing has changed since then.
angry face
Damn script kiddies.
 
Yeah, but to prevent it from happening again, look through your logs for anything that occurs enough to be suspicious.
 
mhmm
 
Something like the same IP block popping up far too many times to be human. ACL it.
 
It's a frankensteined Joomla install
 
6:08 AM
Lol, frankensteined?
 
Yeah, stock Joomla 1.5.10 install, butchered by outsourcers over more months than I care to think about, and then had a bad upgrade to 1.5.20
It's a mess.
 
Ouch. I'm looking around for tips and such since I don't know too much about how Joomla works. So... I'm coming from a generic standpoint. (so far the only thing I've found is the plugin jHackGaurd... but I haven't found any independent reviews yet; slow net)
 
Uhhhh... damn.
Looks like who/whatever got to the site did a good job.
The logs appear to start at earlier today. Nothing earlier.
Looks like they/it del'd the logs.
 
I'm guessing Joomla has a predefined path that it always uses for log files... did you change that?
(I have to ask... the little things add up sometimes)
 
Apparently uses the main user/logs folder
plus an error_log file in the home dir... which is not there.
 
6:21 AM
Is this on a *Nix machine? If you run backups of your startup files, I would diff those to a back up too just to be sure they didn't privilege escalate.
 
It's a shared host, so I have no access to that stuff.
 
Ah ok. In that case, I would guess your webserver is jailed anyway.
 
strange
all my webalizer / AWStats things are there
just my raw logs are gone
 
Hm... so they either only got web user level access or didn't know it was there.
You said you had http, ftp, and sql... any other services that might make remote connections?
 
I'm downloading an FTP copy and got my MySQL database dumped
email too
typical shared host
I'll just perform a full restore tomorrow I guess, but damn this is bad timing. As if there's ever a good time for this.
 
6:26 AM
Sucks it's shared host... kinda limits the options you can take other than just alerting your host.
 
Well funny enough,
This night I was looking at VPSs to consolidate a bunch of sites on
 
Change passwords, update to latest stable Joomla, change any defaults you might have left...
 
And bad enough, this site is a small video training site I was contracted by a friend to manage.
So customers are affected.
Only a small handful, but still...
Fortunately, we use PayPal as our gateway, so no customer data is stored at all.
 
I would alert him too then. He could have customer's that are complaining to him.
 
he knows already
and I'm the point of contact for customers so. He's the brainstormer, I tend the guts so while he's thinking at 30,000 foot level, I'm dealing with this grime. ;)
 
6:29 AM
What really sucks is that they wiped the logs... does your host have you on a FAS or anything else that might support hourly snapshots? : /
 
Not familiar with that acronym
It's a pretty bare bones shared hosting account so I doubt it. My backups are likely newer and easier to deal with.
This project of my friend's was pretty low budget.
 
Fiber Attached Storage. It's usually a NetApp Filer or some such. There are other companies, but the Filers are the most common ones I've seen.
 
Yeah, it's not likely.
And the bad thing is I can't upgrade the Joomla install because of customizations.
 
The main point is that it supports CIFS and it supports hourly snapshots which can be invisible to the user... if that was the case, easy day.
Yeah, the customisation really kills it : /
I'm gonna guess it'd be a huge pain to adapt the customisations to the latest Joomla stable...
 
Well, it's a matter of time and money.
I'm not a developer, so the time it would take to do that would be absurd.
 
6:37 AM
As always ^^
 
And the money it would take to hire a reasonably talented developer is more than the guy can afford especially since he's moving to a new house now.
 
Yeah, it's the testing that really kills.
 
So I'm stuck in a time consuming contract that is paying next to nothing.
Still it's good learning I guess.
 
And perhaps he'll be able to hook you up down the road.
 
Yeah, never know.
So really my only option at this point is to restore from backups, change passwords and hope it doesn't happen again.
Nice.
 
6:39 AM
Don't worry, I think I'm about to go have to go down that road with rent-a-coder or something similar.
Unless you alert your host and they determine that privilege escalation or something equally dire happened... that's about the only time they'll do something that affects more than one customer (with something like changing ports, enabling port knocking or something along those lines).
It all depends on your host, of course. Who knows, they could be cool people.
 
Yeah
It's Siteground.com
They're usually very responsive with stuff, but not sure about hacking claims. I'll mention it.
 
Interesting... that jHackGaurd plugin I saw came from siteground lol.
 
I'm all for rent-a-coder and all that. All for paying a good price for good work... it's just you need currency up front for that. ;) I've learned my lesson vicariously. My friend thought he could get a humdinger of a site for $700.
Ohh, it's a humdinger alright. Keeps me up at night. >:-(
 
Lol. I keep my stuff client-side. I've never been very good at network programming while maintaining security and I won't tell customers "Yeah, yeah... it's secure!"... because I can't know it. So I just skip the headache and keep my stuff client-side.
Having actual customers won't start until I go the contracting through the web route though. Everyone needs a starting point... I figure that's how I'll get mine.
 
Well, tomorrow is shot.
I gotta go craft an email to customers before I fall asleep.
 
6:48 AM
That's the worst part, I think. I've only had to do it twice... but I hated both of them (mine weren't too bad, but if we even suspect something we send out an email alerting to change passwords).
Hm... looks like all browsers where an exploit was attempted at pwn2own fell this year.
 
I just had a bad tohught
I'm used to restoring small sets of files from an FTP backup
But suddenly realized that I don't know if unix permissions are preserved
that would suck
and it doesn't
insert expletives here
 
Do you have root access on your server (ie root access limited to a jail)?
 
nope
That's a big shortcoming of this siteground account
 
Ugh... hm.....
Perhaps there's an option for it.
There has to be a way. Do you have SSH access to the server maybe? I believe SSH has a utility to transfer files and maintain permissions.
 
No SSH access, another big shortcoming of this low end account
you have to pay extra for that =\
Like I said, shoestring budget my friend is working on.
 
6:58 AM
Of course lol.
 
No, shoestring would be an upgrade.
Okay, so a full public_html restore would be bad because of permissions.
So I'll diff the directory as it is now with as it was pre-hack and find all files changed
 

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