The Ink Spot

probably but we had a cloudy night so nothing would have been visible anyway. Havent looked up space weather for this season yet. IM currently hunting for Halos instead of Auroras

johnp

6:24 AM

¬_¬ So tired of these supposed design curators. If they had any sort of design education they wouldn't make conceited claims like "Post-modernism is dead/a trend"

joojaa

What comes after Postmodernism :)

johnp

One only has to look at modernist architecture designed for the "ideal human" to realise that it's fascist in nature

joojaa

We have a naming problem with our stuff.

johnp

history is doomed to repeat itself, I guess @joojaa :P

joojaa

Perhaps you should not use time as a qualifier for names

johnp

6:28 AM

I want to reply to that guy but I dunno if there's much point if they're not up for any real discussion other than namedropping famous designers and jumping on their bandwagon

joojaa

SO names like fast, new, modern, contemporary are bad monikers for items as moniker surroundings tend to change

johnp

I'm not interested in the names, but the ideology

joojaa

I dont know if you are correct by the way

Obviously many modernists were living in a gae of fachism. But were they untimnately fachist or just affected by the surrounding realities

johnp

Modernist design makes presumptions of what/how the end user should be. Post-modernism recognizes that everyone will interact with a design differently. Think about usability and people with different accessibility needs.

that is why it annoys me when people say that postmodernism is a trend

it's too early for the frownies ¬_¬

joojaa

6:49 AM

@johnp Well no modernism does really do what you describe. Sure, they strive to make humans into some form. Which arguably can be a good thing if done right, just that the prevalent views on the world were from our perspective a bit misguided.

Postmodernism however seem to revel in the thought that each individual has the right to his own views and is equally correct. This to me is too extreme. However postmodernism ranges quite much so a lot of postmodernist is between these extremes. Again there were modernists who were certainly were not fascist and trying to make humans into one mold.

johnp

One of the main principles of modernism was an orientation to a perfect future or utopia. The problem is, who decides what utopia is? Universal grand narratives are dangerous things

joojaa

Perhaps, but only because you do not get to decide ;)

johnp

exactly

there are many similarities between fascism and modernism....the attitude towards history. Those who control history, control the world

joojaa

No your right for obvious reasons, however i do wish the current world would have a bit more visionaries to choose from. Humans do need some direction id just want there to be something one could follow to steer the world. Everybody unto himself seems to cause a drop back to mental problems we had in middle ages

So if everything is as good then there is no reason for me to get better after a point. And that is a very dangerous idea. We already see this in place, where leaders decide stupid tings just because all solutions are equally right.

They are not

johnp

Yeah that is a problem these days. Institutions, businesses, anything with power seems to become tainted by it eventually, and it's hard to trust any of them in a postmodern world. But if you can't critique power, then that is a frightening thing

joojaa

7:49 AM

@johnp im using my Friday by doing the retouch thing @Ryan posted in the BG

johnp

oh nice, the colorization thing or something else?

im currently skim reading a layout book before diving into a booklet project. it's been a while and i feel rusty. also the tutor for this module is a horrible man which doesn't help

joojaa

Well i probably going to airbrush im just laying over a powder skin effect right now

Some things like the nails need separate treatment

johnp

nails can be tricky if they're bad lol

i really wanna try out the face liquify tool even though im morally opposed to that level of retouching xD but it has the same kind of macabre quality as watching a car crash

on the other hand i have a pic i took of a groom with a miserable expression on his face as the bride walks up the aisle that could do with a liquified smile

joojaa

After 5 minute powder and quick blocking

johnp

cool

joojaa

8:00 AM

direct shadows need more blue and skin hue/incidence variation is missing

johnp

yeah recolouring shadows can be tricky

still not sure if it's even possible to fix that sketch that was starred in my dropbox... tried fixing proportions with liquify but then fixing the stretched paper texture is the problem

i know a certain amount of resketching is needed but i want to minimize that as much as possible

Vincent

8:46 AM

@joojaa! You changed! :O

johnp

8:58 AM

good moaning, Vincent

Vincent

moan?

am I that annoying? :P

johnp

no, referencing the french policeman from 'Allo 'Allo lol

Vincent

ah. That was from before my time.

Well it wasn't, but I never watched it.

Know a couple quotes only by popcultural osmosis :)

good morning to you too, @johnp

johnp

haha osmosis

oh i'd kill for a red bull now @DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

when doing printed type design, do you use a modular grid or just a column grid @Vincent ?

Vincent

@johnp column grid and baseline grid

johnp

9:07 AM

indeedy

Vincent

uh... what's a 'modular' grid?

sheepish laugh

johnp

i always try to make a hybrid of that and a modular grid but i can never get the modules to align to the baseline without a lot of effort ;(

it's when you divide the page into modules

sorry i didnt mean to say that. that looks sarcastic xD

joojaa

@Vincent changed what?

johnp

i posted a question on this ages ago. i shall search

Vincent

@joojaa your avvie!

@johnp ah those. Haven't tried them yet

johnp

9:09 AM

they're awful!

when combined with a baseline grid

Vincent

My customers usually want too much content in a page for them to show :)

johnp

ha

Vincent

I can't liiiiiive without a baseline grid

johnp

neither can i

joojaa

Well i have a bit of work here as my predecessor left tha stuff in a bit bad state

johnp

9:10 AM

but i like the consistency of modules

Vincent

I guess my results tend to look a bit modular-ish

@joojaa well, way to prove you're better than them :)

johnp

happy friday folks! :3 youtube.com/watch?v=F1-SNrbVFW0 (NSFW)

baha though i dont like gaga... ^ nsfw lol

Vincent

@johnp please eidt that nsfw in right after the link ;)

johnp

haha

aw sorry, my edit timer is up

is that dependent on rep? it's a little annoying

Vincent

I think it's a room owner priv

johnp

9:16 AM

ah ok

joojaa

@Ryan <- Doing on background gave the sky a color wash

Original

Vincent

not a bad job

joojaa

lots to do ive only looked as the skin of the arm so far

@Vincent well im starting to be happy with the hand i shouldlighten the under forearm and palm a bit then i can move over to the silk band

Vincent

I like the rather muted colour. Most colourings are too saturated to my tastes

joojaa

yes well you get that if you just use color mode. IM actually using a clor pick of her own skin in a old picture with a gradient map

Vincent

9:28 AM

nice tech

joojaa

Presumably the black and white filter they used kills red and brown completely so i think her dress is eithert black and blue or red and light gray?

Vincent

@joojaa no, it's gold and white :P

joojaa

Yes thats a possibility she likes yellow

and gold

Didnt find that dress though

no to eat then home

Bye

johnp

cya @joojaa

Vincent

wave

johnp

10:30 AM

I hate audience research ¬_¬ when you're not designing for web or have access to analytics, it feels like pretty much all data is questionable at best

and as for legibility research, it's all very inconclusive

Vincent

11:30 AM

to say the least. I'd add 'subjective' to that latter subject as well @johnp

johnp

definitely lol

messing about with national statistics and google trends by region...again seems very unreliable

what sources do businesses use...dont IBM have some sort of marketing statistics database?

Vincent

dunno

fun thing is that marketeer don't want to know about the unreliability and some see Google Analytics as the new Wholy Grail

johnp

yeah i just hate plucking audience personas out of thin air xD

Vincent

Persona! :D

/gamegeek

johnp

11:48 AM

:( i dont understand

Vincent

Persona (series)

Persona (Japanese: ペルソナ, Hepburn: Perusona), also known as Shin Megami Tensei: Persona, is a series of role-playing video games developed and primarily published by Atlus. The series is a spin-off from Atlus' Megami Tensei franchise, and was originally based on the high school setting of Shin Megami Tensei If.... The first entry in the series, Revelations: Persona, was released in 1996. There have since been nine further console titles (five main entries and four spin-off titles), with the latest, Persona 5, being released in 2016. The series takes its title from the beings used by characters in...

it's one of my all-time faves

johnp

ah i see

btw Humans is starting again on CH4

did you watch the first series? youtube.com/watch?v=wvnrD3MHz4s

haha well all the info i need is here for just 1750 euro euromonitor.com/consumer-lifestyles-in-ireland/report

not bad i guess if i was a large business

hehe

Vincent

12:35 PM

@johnp nope, already have too much too watch :P

@johnp 'just'

johnp

lol, it's good but not great anyway

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

1:05 PM

rar

@johnp im drinking a red bull and Ive put a post it note on it with your name... for john.. or.. I drink the souls of my enemies, lol

johnp

it's the thought that counts!

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

1:57 PM

any plans for the weekend?

johnp

sleeping, type layouts, chinese colouring pencils

you?

johnp

2:13 PM

anyone wanna make a couple o' hundred bucks? :P

these will be available for pre order next week...they should sell on ebay for about 200-400 dollars. the 1/6 scale ones sell for 800-900 currently

facebook.com/1000toys/posts/1127639687320026

ebay.com/sch/…

Vincent

@DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ lots of games and finally getting all my back movement, well, back

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

@Vincent what you do to your back?

Vincent

Threw it out last Sunday X(

Happens every three years or so

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

ouch, I know the pain, sorry to hear it.. muscle related?

Vincent

I'm used to it, I've had scoliosis my whole life

yeah, the only symptoms left now are the fact that everything is all tensed up

it's getting better. How is yours?

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

2:28 PM

pushing it to the limits working out lately. my desk does help

JohnB

@Vincent I played a couple new games recently, XCOM and King of Tokyo

Vincent

@DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ brave!

@JohnB haven't played the first, how did you like the second? :)

JohnB

light fun and easy, a stark comparison to XCOM which was not light or easy :P

we lost on the tutorial -_-

it's a lot of mechanics to absorb, but once you get going and understand the roles it's not too complicated

Vincent

it does look very cool

it's co-op then?

JohnB

yeah

Vincent

2:42 PM

but... Nintendo hard?

JohnB

I think my biggest frustration was with the app. There's no rule booklet, the app controls the flow for you. But one app on one guy's small phone for four people felt a little claustrophobic

Vincent

I get it

then you'll want at least a tablet :/

@DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ you have a flexdesk now?

JohnB

exactly. Or perhaps if everyone could download the app and join a game lobby or something so everyone could read what's going on

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

I have an adjustable desk.

Vincent

that would be awesum yes

@DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ so you can both stand and sit?

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

2:43 PM

yes

Vincent

sweet!

@JohnB let me know if you play any more of it, I'm curious

looks really cool

JohnB

we probably will, I'd definitely like another shot now that I understand it better

Vincent

But... if you can play this, you can also play Pandemic no problem

JohnB

hehe, still trying to get a solid group of 4 for Legacy

2:45 PM

I can't remember if I told you I bought and played the original

Vincent

@JohnB no you didn't :)

congrats :D

@DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ sweet!

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

they have an app now you can control your desk from

JohnB

it's more machine now than desk...

Vincent

lol

JohnB

well I got it close enough

I quote that all the time :D

Vincent

2:48 PM

how did it treat you, @JohnB?

JohnB

It was fun! I think I've played it 3 times now, twice as Medic and the other time I don't remember

I do like being the medic

the difficulty feels very dependent on getting the "good" roles

Vincent

It's a very directly powerful role

Hm, that's why, in legacy, you can choose your roles every scenario

JohnB

ah ok cool!

Vincent

I do really like the dispatcher a lot as well

Dispatcher + Medic = synergy

JohnB

yeah dispatcher is awesome, I think my top four are Medic, Dispatcher, Researcher, and Scientist

the rest are meh

Vincent

2:52 PM

huh? which others do you have then? Operations Expert, Contingency Planner?

JohnB

and Quarantine Specialist

Vincent

ah ok

I won't say nothing about the Quarantine specialist... Don't want to spoil you ;)

JohnB

hahah ok :D

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

3:18 PM

@JohnB how is the weather up north? we are 50s this week

JohnB

Rainy all week but the temperature is perfect for climbing

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

oh nice

you mountain bike ride, too?

JohnB

nope

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

you ever sleep on the side of the mountain yet?

JohnB

like suspended you mean?

Vincent

3:21 PM

the ultimate hammock experience? :P

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

@JohnB ya

JohnB

I'd love to but those portaledges start at about $600

and there is so much other gear in line to be bought first

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

ive always wondered if there was a backup for failure

JohnB

multiple, definitely

johnp

that's bizarre

imagine rolling in your sleep...

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

3:23 PM

hope his lady doesnt kick him out of bed, lol

JohnB

haha you're tethered in, you wouldn't roll too far

johnp

"...for in that endless sleep, what dreams may come?" - Hamlet :P lol

Vincent

....that can't be comfy

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

hey, bright side is john will be able to escape the zombies

Vincent

lol

JohnB

3:24 PM

in that picture they are attached to bolted anchors on the wall. You could hang a truck from those, a couple of people won't cause it to fail. but yeah, definitely a minimum of two backups but could be more

johnp

lol

DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ

i wouldnt be surprised if one day someone built a home on the side of a mountain like that

JohnB

I think I saw something like that but I'm pretty sure it was a CG render

johnp

well Corbusier built houses on stilts cus the earth was "filthy" lol. it's very possible

JohnB

this was it: cnn.com/2016/05/18/architecture/house-inside-a-cliff-the-spaces

the future home of a Bond villain

johnp