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12:36 AM
 
ooh the mamiya 7II
bit steep for rent though
ive just about come to terms with not getting a film camera for now...until im all grown up and somewhat financially stable
 
yeah it takes time dude
I spent a lot of money today --- paid off my entire student loan
 
well the one i like is about 1000 and a scanner is almost the same lol
ah lovely
 
I'd really like to try renting the Mamiya C330 kit sometime and then either the Pentax 67 or Mamiya RZ67
and keep in mind that rental period is for a month. Which is kinda crazy. If they don't have a few of each, then scheduling would be really hard.
 
if i was to get a film camera it would be either a mamiya 6 or 7II..or for a chunkier MF id get a pentax 645II
well you'd nearly be better off buying a rz67 than renting id say
they're not too bad if i remember correctly
 
12:49 AM
from what I'm seeing the 65mm lens they have for rent is whats making the price more expensive but you're right. Purchasing would make more sense
I'd consider renting one for a shoot sometime though. Like if I do end up shooting that wedding for my friend maybe not for the wedding but could be cool for the engagement photos
 
i can't remember what the focal length equivalents are on the mf lenses...they're much longer i think
i think a 135ish is a portrait lens
equivalent of 80mm?
 
for 6x7 its 50%
so the 65mm is close to 35mm
I finally uploaded one of the shots to my own account
 
oh cool
very shiney
it's all clean.
 
1:47 AM
researching some ideas for a time themed essay
anyone into retrofuturism, or future nostalgia? lol
 
1:58 AM
@johnp Based on those images, you may also want to look into "atompunk."
 
cool, will do
currently looking at vaporware too. hoping to find something interesting that can be made fairly quickly...i like the idea of warping statues
 
"Retrofuturism" is sort of a catch-all for evoking a vision of the future as held by any time in the past. Atompunk is more specifically about evoking that Nuclear Age aesthetic.
 
yeah i get that...anything that draws attention to people's reading of time would fit
 
Can you expand on that a little? I'm not quite sure what you mean.
 
it's a very open idea i guess. the essay is about vintage photography and how the look of old photos is added to digital photos
 
2:10 AM
Oh, right, that project.
 
yeah doing some illustrations linked to time...they dont have to be related to photography...just playful
people's attitudes to anachronisms and reading of a timeline have changed historically but that's kind of slightly off track here
aging of current tech stuff might be fun...moss covered keyboards
posted this before but it's a fun aesthetic...bit too pink for this assignment (lecturer) lol pinterest.com/search/pins/?q=vaporware
 
The art of the Standing Rock protests includes the use of propaganda art from specific moments in American history.
You might also think about some of the nostalgic visual rhetoric in recent films. Probably the most obvious example is Kung Fury which digitally replicates analogue video flaws.
'cause what you're talking about in terms of making digital photographs evoke previous eras is kind of intersemiotic.
It's not just about making a new thing look old. It's about making one medium look like another medium.
 
2:42 AM
yeah exactly...it's kind of the way in which something is framed that has aged or changed
which is why i liked the idea of glitching old statues and that kind of thing...but im trying to not get stuck on that idea
also im trying to keep things simple to make lol
that Kung Fury film looks good btw, i must see it
 
I certainly can't help with keeping things simple, but... consider trompe-l'œil and faux finish.
 
haha yeah that's what i was looking at earlier. Got Smile in the Mind to read. It's a good book for that sort of thing, you might like it
 
There are entire styles and industries around making one medium look like another. Westworld was filmed on 35mm despite the increasing difficulty in actually acquiring that film.
 
 
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5:07 AM
@BESW Westworld looks cool...my watch/read list is rather large these days lol
right now im playing around the thought of immortalizing natural objects or decaying synthetic objects
i guess my message is simply about "setting the present in the past" or vice versa
 
5:31 AM
Hmm. Any modern depiction of another time is necessarily going to be primarily an allegory for contemporary themes.
There's just no way around one's contemporary experience framing perception and depiction of non-contemporary reality. And that's true of both author and audience, so it gets even more interesting.
A year-2000 photograph made to look like it's from 1985 will be different from a year-2010 photograph made to look like it's from 1985, and both will be received differently by their contemporary audiences in 2000, or 2010, or by a 2016 audience.
Stuff like atompunk gets even weirder, because it's taking a fifty-year-old view of the present and casting it (say) fifty years into the future from now, interpreted through contemporary sensibilities.
NBC is making a Wizard of Oz TV series in the style of Game of Thrones.
@johnp The various adaptations of Sherlock Holmes come to mind as a narrow but illustrative example of the many ways this can be done.
Sherlock Holmes has been sent into the past and the future both by changing the period in which he is born and by literally moving him through time as part of the narrative conceit. He's been placed and misplaced in time visually, thematically, morally, geographically, and racially.
 
5:49 AM
@BESW Oh I know, that's what interested me in the essay topic. We see the past and future through the lens of the present✨✨ 💫💫💫🕜⏰✨✨ lol and yes that is weird. interesting...he is also on my list
 
It'd be pretty easy to just look at the three popular recent/contemporary Sherlocks and see the differences between them.
 
now I'm listening to to the Klaxons haha goodness youtube.com/watch?v=ZJgOLu5iAFs
 
BBC's Sherlock takes the original Sherlock and transplants him into the modern day. With a handful of minor concessions he retains the original's morals, priorities, goals, and aesthetic. He's right because he's Holmes, he's selfish and self-destructive and his genius necessarily derives from those qualities, etc.
 
the illustrations will be fairly quick and simplish due to time constraints and there being photos with the essay that can't be outshone so to speak...but yeah it would be cool to have a look again for another project...once i finish the swamp thing series
 
So he goes around in a big swooshy coat and they make a big deal about how he's not wearing the deerstalker, he's tall and lanky and sombre.
 
5:53 AM
haha
I dont think he wore a deerstalker in that film series with Rob Downey jr
 
Robert Downey Jr.'s Holmes is a steampunk dramady. He's a caricature of the original, recognisable in broad strokes but updated for modern palatability.
 
yeah i never really thought sherlock holmes at all throughout the movie i saw
 
He has the carefully rumpled hair which signals to modern audiences but makes no sense in his supposed historical setting. He dresses for the Tim Burton film he lives in.
 
oh did Tim Burton direct it?
 
No, but it's Tim Burton's Victorian London which influences the films more than any historical setting: quirky anachronisms with a great big wink to the audience to tell them we know they're in on the joke.
 
5:56 AM
anything dark and londony could be tim burton lol
 
Arguable. Burton's London is drawn in cartoonish swooshes with visible anachronism.
The Holmes in those films fights villains with modern political messages and technology forty years ahead of their time.
His personality flaws have been reduced to quirky character notes rather than the deep flaws of the BBC's Sherlock, so we don't have to deal with their consequences.
(By contrast, the BBC fetishises his flaws as the tragic necessity of genius.)
So while Cumberbatch's Sherlock flounces around in a swooshy cape coat, Downey's is smooth and suave in his tightly tailored suits.
Then there's Elementary, which brings Sherlock into the contemporary age as a character, rather than simply transplanting his Edwardian character into the modern day.
He's facing his flaws as horrible things which are not connected to his genius but rather a hindrance to them, and he's overcoming them.
He's got a short, tight haircut, week-old stubble, and tailored modern clothing. He's a man who isn't just living in this century, he's a man of this century.
None of them wear the deerstalker, but their profiles show very clearly how the past is being brought up to the modern day: transplanted, translated, or transformed.
 
6:19 AM
Sherlock translated for a modern audience who knows about the period through highly stylised pseudo-historicals; Sherlock transplanted into a modern setting; Sherlock transformed for a modern setting.
 
 
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7:32 AM
Yeah it's interesting how characters go through these nuanced changes... it's a bit like branding in a way...
what does one keep, what to throw away, the essence of a character
 
This is a conversation which is especially finely-honed amongst the Doctor Who community.
For that character, there's a sort of cloud of traits which are associated with him. Each iteration of him will include a kind of critical mass of traits from the cloud, but no single trait is necessary nor sufficient to his essential Doctor-ness and new traits can be added to a particular iteration and perhaps eventually to the cloud.
Some traits are even actively contradictory between iterations.
Yet if you get a critical mass of traits together into a single character he becomes recognizably Doctor-y even alongside other versions which share very few specific traits from the cloud.
 
 
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Cai
10:05 AM
@joojaa your color-to-swatch script is pretty useful. Works well.
stick a bit of a UI on there and it'll be good
options to make the swatches global and put them in a group would be good
A way to name the swatches would be good too
 
10:31 AM
@Cai Oh thanks im a bit busy trying to get all people in my lab happy. So im arranging laswercutting in one hand vinyl cutting on the other, 3d printing with my leg and milling with the other
 
Cai
10:56 AM
lol
don't drop anything
 
Oh i allready broke a 200€ toolhead
 
11:54 AM
hi guys
quick Q
we are working on getting people to participate here competition.highcharts.com/highcharts5
what would be a suitable prize, you think?
i am thinking software, gadgets, licenses, tickets
 
12:21 PM
dunno
 
1:00 PM
@BESW I find this stuff really interesting as far as character design/illustration goes. I think a cloud concept sums it up well. To use a tired phrase - more than the sum of its parts.
 
 
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2:03 PM
hey people, could you write my dissertation for me please: graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/80755/…
 
2:17 PM
@PieBie sure my rate is 2000 euros per week
 
lol, exactly :)
 
 
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3:48 PM
@Benteh adobe/font licenses would be an idea...spectrophotometers... illustration gadgets
 
4:24 PM
@johnp good points
would any of that motivate you to give the challenge a go?
 
4:51 PM
hi
 

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