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2:02 AM
A tracing with giving up on the fine details. The mouth being as "good" as it is is a miracle
 
2:34 AM
:D
 
When did you show up here? lol
 
hah, I showed up here like an hour ago, thinking about my Skippy Fish art
 
I've been wreaking havoc since last Thursday or so I think... Joe, Noctrine, and I invaded and i stuck around
I even have a star lol
 
Posted on TIG Source, but no replies yet
 
They aren't nearly as active in the off hours as we are
 
2:40 AM
Cool
 
Honestly your art is pretty solid and comes across quite polished to me. It will be interesting what kind of feedback you get
 
yeah. It's not bad for sure, but I donno, surely there are areas for improvement
In its small form, there's not a lot to poke at, but if I want this on tablets (and I do), then all of these details are going to be even bigger
 
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Q: How to handle users who delete a question as soon as it is answered?

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@JohnMcDonald I think my only real critique, and I'm not a designer so hopefully you get more of what you are looking for, is I'd like to see some sort of animation while the fish is out of water
I don't know what I'd want that to look like though
@Scott you around man?
 
Yeah, I think Chris was thinking there should be more happening when you're flying, so you're not alone
A little wriggle, or some water coming off, or a smile (if it were visible), or eyeballs looking around, or...
Wriggling is hard though
 
2:53 AM
You're getting into artist territory there ;)
But yeah I think your ideas are on the right track
I think some Lynda courses on Illustrator are definitely in my future
Just need to decide when I'm going to take the time to do it so I don't end up paying for too many months worth of courses
 
Right. That's pretty cool though
 
I don't want to ask the questions I have on the site because they all amount to "I have this really convoluted way to accomplish task X. Is there a more user friendly way?"
I was hoping to catch Scott while I had some on my mind after doing the drawing... He's the resident expert, or so the others tell me.
I better write them down
I need to come up with a nice simple idea and execute it 100% my own from start to finish. I envy you for that and Skippy Fish :P
 
yeah, I've started to keep track of every idea I get. That's how Skippy Fish was born
 
Awesome
 
I was thinking about very simple phone games, and came up with a few ideas, this was one of them
 
3:05 AM
That's one thing I really need to work on as a person as a whole - getting more organized
Writing things down is a good first step
 
I've been just using Google Drive
Might seem silly to write down "Tap to skip", but... hey
(ok, I wrote more than that, but you get the idea)
 
I've been considering getting Office 365 lately and I think I might throw in SharePoint for an extra $3 / month. It's a fantastic organization tool with the ability to share with other people.... I might break down and do that here soon
 
@SpartanDonut s'up?
 
There he is!
I need to figure out how I'm doing things... wrong...
As in I'm sure there are better ways
I think my biggest issue that I have is with managing layers
First and foremost, I draw with the blob brush
 
m'kay
 
3:14 AM
From here I've been using the live paint tool to fill white space
The paint ends up in the same layer as a sublayer
 
well.. wait...
 
lol ok
 
first you need to understand that the Layers Panel in Illustrator is actually a Layers and Objects panel
Every object will show in the layers panel. The layer's panel shows 4 things....
Layers
Sublayers
Groups
objects
Each of those may look like a layer, but only 2 of them actually are
 
Certainly. I follow very well and it was really just a terminology thing :)
 
Everything you draw is an object, so they show in the layers panel as well
So when you fill with live paint, you are creating new filled objects
 
3:16 AM
Yes
 
Those are showing int he Layers panel.... okay....
 
I think writing out my question I thought of a solution
 
Cool you get it.. I'll step up the explanations from here on out :)
Never know what level of user to target :)
what was the question. I shouldn't have interrupted.
 
Certainly. I appreciate the help. I'll certainly let you know if you're over my head
So the issue I have is how huge the list of things can get and how difficult it can end up being to organize. The first set of blob lines and paint objects isn't too bad but when I start to want to add shading and sandwich objects in the middle this gets a little rough
Using the blob brush is there a way to combine all my same colored blob objects into a single blob object?
Or at least fewer as I assume a single object has to be 100% connected if this is possible
 
They should auto-combine. Double click the Blob Brush tool. There's a pref to "Merge only with Selection" if that is unchecked any same colored Blob stroke should combine with previous strokes. If it's Checked then they only merge when they are selected.
 
3:21 AM
Ok that setting looks right then (unselected)
Hmmmmm... this may require some experimentation as I wonder how I end up with so many sometimes
Perhaps it comes from drawing blobs that aren't touching and then later touching them together or something
 
So they should automatically merge if they are the same color and touch. Are they not doin that?
THat could be it.
The stroke has to start or end touching an existing stroke
 
Ok good to know. Lets say my workflow ends up in this disconnected blobs state because either thats the way I work or maybe it was an accident :)
Can I merge after the fact?
 
Actually.. jsut playing. I'm wrong. They should merge regardless
 
Well jeeze
 
Definately after the fact.. jsut select one, then Select > Same > Fill and Stroke and then Pathfinder > unite or Pathfinder > Merge
The only reason they wouldn't auto-merge would be if the color was different.
 
3:25 AM
I'm seeing that now... I have no clue how I ended up in the state I was. I must have done something
 
Could be that part of it was a Live Paint group.... and part wasn't. That will have an affect
 
That's another question but before that... I'm struggling with the merge
 
I gotta run.. but I'm happy to answer things.. just ping me with questions and I'll ping you back with answers.
 
If you don't mind I'll wait til were both in chat and just knock out the questions as we can (I'll ask the general population as people are here as well). I do well with real time conversation.
But yeah... I really appreciate the assistance. Have a great night!
 
 
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1:34 PM
hello
 
Mornin
 
1:52 PM
mornin gents
(or, locally, afternoon)
uh... didn't mean to kill the room (tries to hide the bloody knife again)
 
:)
gearing up for an emergency print job
 
I tought I heard a diesel starting!
 
Compared to the one true GDSE, this room is always dead :P
 
thanks for the cheerful message, @SpartanDonut
:P
 
2:07 PM
The people who frequent here seem to be great people though so I imagine chat will grow. Game Dev chat was fairly small when I first showed up there 2 or 3 years ago.
 
One of our greatest, Yisela, is on the move at the moment. I expect to room to re-explode when she's back
 
Well now I'm not sure how to feel lol
Now that you've talked her up... when she's back should I be excited? Perhaps a bit cautious?
Probably just normal... but....
I'm probably doomed thanks to you
 
lol
she's cool
she'd probably disapprove of me talking her up
hi @Scott, good morning
 
2:25 PM
Anyone still feel QR codes are viable? When was the last time YOU scanned a QR code?
 
I never did
 
Hey @Bakabaka
 
once I got myself a smartphone, I stopped seeing them anywhere
 
HA! exactly :)
 
I do! When clients ask me to add them to add them to something, I scan them to make sure it works
does that count? :P
 
2:26 PM
lol
 
My thought... for a coupon or discount for a younger demographic, then okay. Otherwise they are pointless
No @JohnB that does not count :)
 
you do tell them the things are butt-ugly, no?
 
I have a client selling literally million dollar services.. and he wants to use a QR code. Trying to convince him for his demographic, they are pointless. No one spending 1 Mill on his service is scannign QR codes.
 
maybe with their golden iPhone6?
with a diamond-studded apple logo?
so they can scan QR codes for the latest Lamborghini model?
 
Exactly... it's jsut ugly and pointless.. especially on a business card
 
2:30 PM
more pointless than ugly in that case
 
Yup. A Starbucks coupon.. sure go for it... but a million dollar building remodel.. seriously?
 
that's hype for you :/
 
Thanks for confirming I'm not the crazy one here :)
 
well... the jury's out on that one.
 
someone wanted us to screen print a QR code once, I told them that was a silly idea (and they listened!)
 
2:32 PM
Damn.. thought I covered my tracks.
I'm going to start using a QR code on all my marketing that loads a web page which reads .... "STOP USING QR CODES!"
 
haha
have you encountered a QR code thats on a web page?
 
Yeah.. how dumb is that
 
lol
 
I blame marketing people for those
 
that's almost oxymoronic
hm. I just got a quote back, with the customer saying they want the work done within a month, instead of within the 6~8 weeks I promised. Do I increase the rate?
 
2:34 PM
Absolutely
 
thanks, Scott, that's exactly what I wanted to hear :)
(or was that in reply to JohnB? :) )
 
I'm going to say absolutely not just to make you feel bad
 
No it was for you @Bakabaka ... ABSO-Freakin-Lutely
 
why thanks, @JohnB
sob
 
my pleasure
 
2:36 PM
I always up rates if time frame is cut, especially in half
 
...by how much?
25%?
 
Depends on the project and how much overtime I think I'm going ot need to pull.. and how well the client relationship is
at least 25% if not 33%
 
oh wow
this helps, thanks.
 
Basically if I say 8 weeks.. and they counter with no.. 4 weeks. That's double the amount of work over the next month
I have other clients. I'll ahve to shuffle other deadlines to meet their tight deadline. So....
 
that's my point exactly. I have a big assignment for a very good customer and I want to be proud of the product that I'm making for that project. Don't wanna compromise that
 
2:41 PM
The way I see it is.. I quote assuming 8 hr work days.. if I need to adjust to 12 or 14 hr days for their project then that additional 4-6 hrs is overtime they need to compensate me for
 
good argument
 
Now.. if it's dead and I don't ahve a lot of work and I wouldn't be really shuffling anything. I may not raise rates that much.
 
It's not as if I'm dead, but not like I'm flooded either. I could use some pressure to be motivated, even
so I guess I'll up the rates, but not as much as you just suggested
 
sounds like a good strategy.
 
I think QR codes have a place but people generally aren't doing it right
 
2:45 PM
And my client just agreed... removed the horrible QR codes. Yippee!
 
rejoice! :D
 
Xbone's Kinect + QR code for redeeming stuff you would usually have to enter a code in for is an example I really like
 
oh, that's a good one, Spartan
text entry on consoles is shaky and cumbersome at best
 
Oh come on @SpartanDonut We all know you just say "Xbox QR Code" and it knows what it is :)
That reminds me... I bought a PS4 and Xbox One when they came out.. like 6 months ago.. And STILL there are the same 5 games for each console... what a disappointment. Seriously.
Where are all the games?
 
that's why I'm still going strong with my PS3
no plans to buy a Piss-poor yet
 
2:48 PM
I still use my PS3 often :)
 
I'm a PC / Wii U Master race member right now
 
I will get one, at a certain point, but... not yet.
 
I boot the PS4 or Xbox1 to see if there are new games... nope... okay either play Infamous3 or boot the PS3 :)
 
That said Destiny comes out soon...
 
But Destiny is sooooooo hyped.. I bet it sucks
Watchdogs was hyped and it's mediocre at best.
 
2:49 PM
I like the Watchdogs formula better than GTA
 
I got the Xbox one for one thing... Gears of War... never had an Xbox 360 and want to play Gears of War ...
 
Do you use either console as a multimedia box (Netflix, Hulu, etc.)?
 
Yeah but just like GTA.. it's just random roaming around a way too big city.. You spend so much time traveling in GTA or Watchdogs it's silly
Nah Bandwidht is a premium. So I don't do a lot of streaming. And I have a Tivo which will stream hulu or netflick ro crackle.. and my PS3s can steam as well
So far.. there's been little to no justification for the PS4 and Xbox one
 
It's quite the pity. The PS3 was slow to get rolling, but at least it got rolling
 
I'm not overly impressed with how Sony and MS feel that regular 13+GB downloads are a good thing
My PS3s blow away the PS4 and Xbox1
 
2:53 PM
but both new-gen have puny software offerings this time around
 
The PS4 can't even do what the PS3 does
 
Yeah my internet is awful... I plan a day or two in advance if I plan on downloading a large game
 
ah, @SpartanDonut, you're one of those people who must've really like the VanOrd tweets :)
 
I still buy discs because I dont' want the huge downloads.. then you put in the disk and it downloads a 3GB update... seriously????
 
@Bakabaka no clue what you're talking about lol
I download games 1) Because I'm primarily a PC gamer; and 2) I don't like disks for console
Because 3) I'm a spoiled PC gamer :D
 
2:56 PM
@SpartanDonut there was this MS marketing dude who, when the XboX1 specs were still unknown, spread the rumour that it would be an always-connected thing
 
It annoys me that I install a game to the consoles HDD and yet I still need to put the disk in to confirm I actually own the game
 
and he tweeted, very bluntly 'live with it'
 
Oh I have no issues with always being connect
 
the Interwebs mangled him
 
It's bandwidth heavy tasks that are rough
 
2:57 PM
That annoys me as well @SpartanDonut Why it doesn't install and unlock to allow play without the disc is a mystery. Or even offer a $5 unlock int he stores so you cna play without the disc
 
It's because people want to be able to borrow and sell their games used
The always connected option would have allowed us to do that
 
good point
I guess I just never sell or trade anything :)
 
And always doesn't mean always - just a simple keep alive check once in a while
 
I still have PS1 games (and play them on my PS3 :)
 
Nice
Monster Rancher best game evar
 
2:58 PM
No Vagrant Story.. best game ever
 
Pfffft
 
@Scott heavily seconded
 
 
Dat atmosphere
 
^^ Dah Shiznet!
 
2:59 PM
squee
the classic times, when Square didn't suck yet
 
yup. .. and more game than text to read :)
Square games are like reading a feeakin novel now :)
 
Mario RPG best game evar?
Speaking of Square games anyway
 
uh... more like adolescent pulp, sometimes
(FF 13-2...)
@SpartanDonut never played it
 
Never been a Nentendo user.. limited Mario exposure here.
I went Atari, sega, playstation... skipped Nintendo :)
 
me neither. the bf is, and is having me considere getting a 3DS as well.
some sweet Shin Megami Tensei on that thing
 
3:08 PM
Playing through the A Link Between Worlds right now on 3DS. It's quite fun.
 
ah, yeah, I saw that being played. short, but very good
can't wait till the end of the year when Persona 5 rolls around. But by then I'll probably be till my neck in playing 3DS games :)
it's funny though... It's all three major next-gen consoles that have a dearth of software
I mean, it's not as if WiiU is selling like hotcakes, either
 
yeah it was the rush to hit Christmas 2013 when NOTHING was ready :)
 
Wii U has great games
 
such as?
 
Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze is probably my favorite...
 
3:20 PM
(and this is not a sarcastic statement, just an inquiring mind wanting to know)
 
Mario U and Luigi U; Mario 3D World; Mario Kart 8
Pikmin 3
 
that's all first-party, right?
 
Yeah
 
I a bigot.. can't play Mario.....
Just don't like....
PLUMBERS!!!!!!!
 
Honestly 3rd party support is bad but if we're comparing consoles, cross console 3rd party games don't really matter
Well...
It does
Not sure what my point was there
 
3:22 PM
lol
 
But yeah, blanket statement of Wii U 3rd party support sucks
First party games are solid
I've not played Zombie U or Wonderful 101 but those are supposedly really fun
 
My perception is Wii... first person a LOT. Xbox... multiplayer online A LOT PS single player mostly. This is a bit of a generalization, but it seems to be that each company has something they specifically focus on.
 
shrug I tihnk it an interesting paradox that AAA games are more expensive to produce than ever, but at the same time the market seems to be slower than ever
 
I'm more annoyed with the fact that its the same old thing every year
I don't care if it takes a year or so to produce a game but give me something different
 
yeah how many remakes of the exact same game can they get away with.. Assassins Creed 15 - same moves.. differnt city
 
3:25 PM
uh yeah
uh... FIFA 416?
or was that 2014?
 
same difference :)
 
the same soccer game every year
 
Mario for the most part does something new / interesting each iteration and the release schedule is much more spread out
 
and they sell...
 
I will say the only series which has stayed pretty fresh is Uncharted.
Bu that has more to do with the fact that the consoles grew with each version, so there was more power to use each version.
 
3:27 PM
uh? Uncharted has only been on PS3 and PS Vita.
 
No it was on teh PS2
 
sure? which one was?
 
Uncharted was PS2.. Uncharted 2 and 3 were PS3
I think... Maybe I'm wrong
 
Didn't play them so I can't confirm or deny and too lazy to google
 
nope, U1 is PS3
 
3:28 PM
BUT
 
Could swear I played Uncharted before I got a PS3..
 
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune is an action-adventure third-person shooter platform game developed by Naughty Dog, and published by Sony Computer Entertainment for PlayStation 3. It is the first game in the Uncharted series. Combining action-adventure and platforming elements with a third-person perspective, the game charts the journey of protagonist Nathan Drake, supposed descendant of the explorer Sir Francis Drake, as he seeks the lost treasure of El Dorado, with the help of journalist Elena Fisher and mentor Victor Sullivan. Originally announced at E3 2006, the title was developed for about two...
U1 is something that would fry the PS2
 
Either way, the games were released far enough apart that the software tech matured allowing developers to get more out of the consoles over the years
 
exactly
 
k.. I'm wrong. :)
 
3:29 PM
it happens ;)
 
Just dont' go spreading it around :)
 
makes sure you're not going crazy with all that rep, Scott
 
takes down the blog post he just wrote on the topic....
 
@SpartanDonut what topic? Scott's madness? ;)
 
I just feel that series has remained different each game. Now.. 4 may be completely lame and a rehash...
 
3:32 PM
@Bakabaka It was titled "Scott was wrong today"
 
that's what I used to like about Final Fantasy: it reinvented itself every iteration
 
Well hell.. you could jsut use a PHP loop and insert that daily :)
 
but now they make direct sequels, and sequels to those direct sequels
 
@Scott PHP.... gross.
 
The only game I liked in the FF series was Tactics :)
 
3:33 PM
and 'in-the-same-universe-but-not-quite-a-sequel' junk
@SpartanDonut hey! php is mighty useful stuff!
 
I'm a .NET guy
 
@Scott you still got your PSP? If you liked tactics, then you'll love Tactics Ogre
 
I find PHPs ways difficult to work with but its probably because of my .NET background
 
I liked Assassins Creed 1.. 2 was a rehash.. and so has every version after it. Infamous was fabulous. Infamous Second son is a basic rehash
Got tactics ont eh iPad and PSP and PS3
Never heard of Tactics Ogre.. I'll ahve to look for it
Thanks
I like PHP :)
 
3:34 PM
Saves loads of time web building :)
 
it's a remake of a classic PS1-er. FF Tactics was actually based on this game
but the PSP remake is great, and the game plays way more smoothly than FF Tactics
FF:T is a bit too heavy on the system it was built for, so it's very slow
 
I don't fully understand what you mean by that Scott but I'm guessing you are comparing it to writing all the HTML / individual pages without PHP?
Because that's what all server side techs are for :)
 
Only $12 at amazon @Bakabaka :) Ordering :)
Spartan.. yeah.. PHP makes a lot of HTML markup faster.
 
I've taken to building my .css as .css.php
makes changing a single colour or typeface or somesuch extremely easy
 
yeah that helps too. I do that in some cases. It cna increase the server load though
SASS or LESS is a slightlybetter alternative, but more complicated
 
3:39 PM
heard those before. something to look into once I have some time in the sandbox
 
@Scott That's what I thought you were getting at. A terminology thing here again but this time the other way around ;)
 
@Scott and talking of tactics games... Ever played Valkyria Chronicles?
 
I found Valkarie Chronichles a bit too story laiden and slow
I have it. Just not as engaging for some reason
 
fair enough :)
I really liked it. It's a pity that the PSP sequel had That One Level.
but I'm a sucker for story
that's also why I loved Vagrant Story
 
I'm not :) I want to jsut play.. I skip all story parts I can :)
I hate the trend of loading a game and sitting through 20 minutes of openign story before you actually get to play anything :)
I want INSTANT gratification damnit!
 
3:44 PM
how old are you, like, twelve? rolls eyes
:P
 
yeah :) I'm 11.
Dateline follows my chats.. be careful.
:)
 
Some kid was raging at me in a game many years ago... I asked him... "What are you, twelve?" - his reponse: "I'M 13!!!!!!!!"
 
Anyway.. gotta go and actually accomplish something this morning. Good chatting with you all :)
 
@SpartanDonut lol
@Scott have a nice day!
 
4:00 PM
it's time for me to scram too. day's almost over anyway. have a nice one, @SpartanDonut!
 
 
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6:59 PM
Looking at some other vector art... I like how some lineless styles are
 
 
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8:28 PM
HA! The Consumer Protection Agency really works!
 
@scott and no the center of a triangle is not the same as the bounding box centre adobe uses. ;) but you know this
 
well.. it depends upon the triangle :)
nice script :)
 
:) I'm not aware of any triangle that behaves like this but if you find one please let me know. I have a blender head where i would need that triangle it would make things so much easier.
 
I'm not that savvy with math so... I'm just playin' :)
I know the area center is not the same as the actual center in many instances.
 
I dont expect you to be. Too bad, some 1 on 1 linear algebra would make your life so much easier!
 
8:39 PM
I actually used to excel at algebra, geometry, calculus, trig, etc. But I haven't really needed any of it in 15-20 years so... well.. it's died in me :)
 
well linear algera is easy
once you get it tough
Is there some problem with syntax highlighting in GD.SE?
 
I noticed you guys have a "Preformatted text" option in your editor where as other sites are labeled as "Code sample" so it's entirely possible that syntax highlighting simply isn't implemented here
 
8:58 PM
Darn
 
Sounds like a question to bring up on meta :P
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Q: Applying syntax highlighting to code snippets

Adam ElsodaneyI submitted another answer to the question regarding copying layers from one document to another in Photoshop. My solution proposes using a script to automate the process which I embedded in the answer. In fact, all my answers have been around automating the Creative Suite with scripts. Unfortun...

 
9:35 PM
It's already been presented. And based on the mission of the site, syntax highlighting is not warranted. We're not generally receptive to code questions. Therefore yntax highlighting has little place
 
Is the preformatted text option used much as is?
 
sure ascii graphics
 
Seriously, preformatted is used a lot to make menu commands, file extensions and palette names stand out from the rest of the text. Gotta love Courier New.
 
The preformatted text gives the code view without syntax highlighting. It's used. I really wouldn't care if highlighting was added, but somewhere on meta is an answer from Stack stating why it won't be. Something about unnecessary overhead based on site goal.
 
9:50 PM
Yeah then I see a reason to not include it. Syntax highlighting and regular preformatted text would probably step on each other at times causing more problems then solving them.
 
10:01 PM
You can specify what formatter to use or plain text
Anyway i do drop a occasional javascript for illustrator or photoshop would be nice for it to format even if i would need to specify this.
is it ok to ask 10 different tiny questions that youd find in the manual easily? I mean this guy is doing so:
hi
 
Ah. Even as a web developer I'm not terribly familiar with the capabilities of markdown so that's cool that you can choose which type of formatting you want. Obviously you can do it with HTML but markdown is another beast altogether.
 
Now i have to go and sleep damn 32 degrees weather. i mean 32 is cool ofr 3 days but not 4 weeks
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Q: What is syntax highlighting and how does it work?

ben is uǝq backwardsI noticed that sometimes my code gets highlighted in different colors when rendered. What is syntax highlighting? How does it work? What if my code isn't highlighted correctly? How do I report a bug or request a new language? What languages are currently available on Stack Exchange? Return to...

Explained in the question above. its a stackoverflow extension
 
Well I know how Syntax Highlighting works... at least some implementations. I've implemented it on my blog :P
I was talking about Markdown and how it chooses how to implement preformatted text.
Oh there's an override! I should have read lol
My bad
 
:)
We have a nice thuderstorm comming in maybe ill go out ansd watch lightningbolts
Or try to put the camera on exposure trapping
 

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