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8:54 AM
anybody awake?
 
9:33 AM
good morning @Christoph
 
@Vincent ah hi
 
'awake' is quite the word, but at least I'm capable of typing answers :)
 
@Vincent I'm looking for feedback on a diagram. However, I'm not sure how I should ask for that to get good answers. The patient is here: tex.stackexchange.com/a/159402/4543
 
Ah, scientific diagrams, then you want either @Benteh
or @joojaa
We do have a chat room for critique, but it's so rarely populated that I can't find it atm
 
thanks for mentioning, they will probably smell the prey then
 
9:45 AM
If you make it a question, you'd best be off reading the critique guidelines, that ensure your Q is focused on a certain aspect you want to improve, and is thus possibly answered with an objectively 'correct' answer.
adding the tag is also appreciated :)
oh and: haven't met you here before, right? shakes hands
 
well, it is a diagram, but I'd like to create a version with a larger domain. It will have a large free area in the bottom right that would be good for placing tables with exact values. So it's also a table question (which font to pick, for example)
yes I'm new here! thanks for the welcome
 
split it into different questions, then. SE is ill-suited to Qs with multiple sub-Qs
 
partial answers to very broad questions work well on codereview se, though
 
say, I see an answer that perfectly answers part I, but flubs on part II. do I upvote? Do I downvote? Do I accept?
eh, yeah, we're a bit different :)
 
it's them who are different, compared to all other se sites. And tex se is also very tolerant in that respect
brb lunch...
 
9:50 AM
Based on what I know about LaTeX, I can imagine
 
10:30 AM
WHO summoned me!
;(
oops sorry :D
 
It was I
I rubbed the lamp to clean it, I swear!
:P
 
LOL
 
someone's in need of your scrutiny, joojaa. see above discussion.
 
@Christoph The diagram looks fine i would make the mm paper grid less visible and have more space but other then that
Ive actually done h,s diagrams before
Ah heres the sound byte youtube.com/watch?v=iJ8T1F9-HYs
@Vincent Did all the others go for winter slumber already?
 
I guess? Or maybe it's DST++ in the States?
 
10:37 AM
IM playing HS and avoiding work
you mean sleep deprivation time?
@Christoph Oh and by the way i tend to do those drawings directly with postscript. Why use PStricks when you can do ps yourself with less code :)
 
I do them with tikz and pgfplots, that's much more fun than ps
@joojaa and thanks for looking!
 
naah if you want fun use mathematica
huh?! a removed Vincent
 
@joojaa well, the choice of tools is not my actual concern here. My plan is to create a diagram with larger domain, which will have a large unused area in the lower right corner. I'd fill it with steam tables
 
sure
 
yeah I got forcibly ejected. Possibly because I rubbed the wrong lamp.
 
10:44 AM
If you can plot ion allready gridded paper
 
I'd create the steam tables with pretty much the same code that creates the small info box that's already there
 
sure
just saying about the fun of tools
so if you can get ultra thin grids use that
@Christoph You might consider coloring the are between isoparams
 
@joojaa I don't think I understand exactly. Do you have an example?
 
wait generating
@Christoph might add more visual appeal especially good if you can actually print with spot colors
sorry for ripping your work :)
 
11:03 AM
@joojaa no problem! and it's posted on se so it's cc-by-sa anyway iirc
 
@Christoph yes but i didnt attach attribution to image :)
 
@joojaa no worries ;)
well, I'm not sure if I like the idea. It's true that following iso-lines can be hard with the current way they are done, and that a visual aid might be helpful. otoh, stepping back from the diagram should make it look like a zebra
especially when I go A0
 
but... zebras are cool...
 
zebras are not property diagrams, though
 
...not? disappointed look
 
11:12 AM
nothing says you have to be comventional or that bold in color
 
funny things aside, a blue or green or even light brown might work better at not being very in-your-face
and reduce the zebra effect
 
11:29 AM
yeah, thing is the big size changes things so thin lines themselves will look weird. And engineering drawings ARE artworks and should eb considered such, you have quite significant leeway in making them, we are nolonger in the 1960's and using plotters only you know.
 
then still... scientists and design are not the best of friends.
especially when composition, usability and typography are concerned
 
lol
No its just lazyness
the thinking goes like follows:
1. im not really paid to do nice graphics
2. so doing so is furtehr than i should go and waste of money
but then
1. Would you really get something more done if your drawings suck and are so ugly you cant show them to anybody?
 
nah. I used to campaign for usable presentations, with slides not crammed full with data. My criticisms weren't well-received
 
2. Some of the stuff is done on your dime anyway
 
I used to think that I could make some money out of this: scientists being real bad at presentation and design, and me being a chemistry MSc.
 
11:34 AM
well yes sure... but than the engineers and scientists wonder why their business major bosses dont invest
 
But I gave up when I ran into their strongheadedness and conservatism
 
a good well tought of graphic beats the day
hide data in 20 graphics not so much
 
...and draws new investers, no?
 
Thing is scientists and engineers are INVESTED in others not understanding
 
ah yeah. I forgot that science was about hoarding knowledge, not spreading it. Stupid me :/
 
11:36 AM
Blathering about with too much data is a common strategy when
1. you dont know better
2. dont know how to explain
3,. dont want to share
 
...want to impress lesser gods because they'll decide about your next grant
 
Students once told me that its weird how I see it as my job to actually teach and make them understand the simple stuff and not all the complicated things nobody understands.
Anyway its a bit like no banker gets fired because they are doing what everybody else does.
 
Hm, I believe we discussed this before: the unwillingness to teach among many academics
 
yes. anyway its a more go with the flow mentality thing
 
as opposed to doing research, teaching is a hassle and to be done with as quickly as possible
 
11:40 AM
doing something better or even different requires you to expose problems in the system, change is painful. Most people want to avoid that
 
why are you in engineering and not in psychology? :P
 
I was thinking of going to do a degree in organizational psychology yes
Because i see that the biggest gains in the world mightcome from engineering a bit better bosses and workflows in humans attitudes.
Anyway im interested in solving problems not talking about them
just talking you might have noticed i like talking too
 
hehe :)
never met an enigineer with that trait :P
 
sorry I can't really participate in the discussion right now but I'll come back as soon as I can...
 
NP
 
11:53 AM
hey, no apologies needed.
it's a chat: everyonoe drops in and out as life allows
 
No, you mean i can go at will?
I tought i was bound to the lamp
poof Vanishes in puff of smoke. Muhahaha-hahaha.....
 
oh, you'll be back
no one can resist the lure of the lamp
:)
 
hahaa
seems that i can not leave
wether i log out or not im still here. Wonder whats binding me here
@Vincent you dont happen to have a good template for CV would you?
my current one sucks ass
 
12:09 PM
er, no.
the last time I needed to make a resumé is more than five years ago
 
same problem
@Vincent is pink a good technology color :)
 
...depends. If it's a shade of pure red (H=0) or slightly more orange-ish (H=~10), I'd say yes
Pure, full-on magenta might work as well
I'd shy away from shades of magenta or purple, though
 
or #a80290 something like
magenta sounds good
 
yeah, #a80290 shoudl work
that's more of a shade. Dark, muted colours will work anytime
eh. I meant 'tints of pure red'
 
yeah
 
12:20 PM
tint = mixture with white; shade = mixture with grey; tone = mixture with black
 
yeah dont go nuts
:P you guys complain about my formulae after all
 
eye for an eye :)
 
howabout 90%magenta 80% yellow would it be better
Ath okay full magenta 0.3 yellow seems to work well
 
could work. I'd saturate a bit more, but that's taste
ah, that's quite the magenta :)
 
Okay now what fonts good lemme see
 
12:24 PM
something sans serif will stand out
 
Akzidenz Grotesk
 
most of your peers will use Garamond, Times or Palatino anyway. Or Computer Modern (shivers)
nice
 
hmm need to enable that font
 
'Helvetica always works', and AG is quite close to it
I prefer AG though, it has some more geometric quantities I like
...you looking for a new job?
 
Sure my contract ends at year shift
Good to have options if the shool does not have money
 
12:28 PM
ah I see
 
WTF no AKZIDENZ
 
it's a commercial font, no?
 
Yes but i tought i had the entire adobe font kit
Helvetica Neue it is
I like Akzinez better
 
still better than Arial, Verdana, Tahoma or any of those other miscreants that Micro$oft calls typefaces
 
Whatabout ITC Avant Garde
 
12:42 PM
depends... personally, I dislike because I think it a bit too geometric
I don't think it would be a good choice for a scientific resumé
imh, ho
 
yes yes
10 pt size?
 
11
always 11 if possible
 
ultracondensed :P
 
meh, you are allowed to have multiple pages in academia anyway
might as well use 15pt leading as well
 
No no im applyingfor a MEMS manufacturer
 
12:47 PM
MEMS?
 
Microelectromechanical systems you know motion sensors and stuff like in your phone
But now i must go and free the kids
CU
 
see ya!
 
1:26 PM
well, that took longer than I feared. I see joojaa has already left, but I got some things to think about, that's good.
 
what things?
 
I was chatting about a diagram with vincent and joojaa
 
hey @Zach
 
been zombified?
 
1:29 PM
ya :)
 
how's a cerebellum with garlic sound like now?
 
garlic, maybe not. With bacon - definite yes!
 
lol
how's your talk coming along?
 
still gathering resources and such over time, haven't started working on anything past the outline
Still ~6 months away :)
 
ah indeed. For some reason, I remembered it was next month.
 

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