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Journeyman Geek

12:03 AM

hm

Oh

I often downvote using aibobot too

Ramhound

I know I liberally downvote but that's because an upvotes have a greater impact on the community.

its not like I don't issue upvotes :-$

bwDraco

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Q: Laptop only works after sticking in freezer, is there something inside it that I can replace?

I have an Acer Aspire V5, and about two months ago it wouldn't turn on. It did not overheat, there were no power surges, and it wasn't plugged in overnight. I turned it off and in the morning, the power light blinked multiple times when pressed, but the computer wouldn't boot, it didn't matter wh...

lol

djsmiley2k

How do you even go 'Oh this laptop doesn't work, maybe I'll pop it in the freezer...'

bwDraco

...too broad. Voted to close.

Michael Frank

@djsmiley2k Second hand information most likely.

Journeyman Geek

12:16 AM

hm

Bad solder joints?

Ramhound

Thai Hot cury an adding ghost pepper flakes = sooo good but Bad idea!

Journeyman Geek

eh

Andrew Myers

@Journey

(sorry for pushing enter too soon) Is this question better on this site? stackoverflow.com/q/42497157/5764553

Ramhound

Should improve your SO question

Andrew Myers

Hey, not mine :)

Just looking at it in triage and thinking it seems a little off-topic on SO

djsmiley2k

12:39 AM

@Ramhound I had ghost pepper pizza once

was the same, soooo good, but soooo bad

Ramhound

Oh I loved ghost pepper pizza :/)

Ramhound

1:07 AM

Booooo! Superuser is down! :-)

Feeed the Hamaters!!!!

Hamsters...

Journeyman Geek

@AndrewMyers I'll let you know but SO seems down

Bob

@JourneymanGeek DoS

Journeyman Geek

ow

maybe?

question is... who the hell wants to piss off all the developers.

Bob

Stack Overflow is currently under attack. Currently working on mitigation. Stand by for updates.

Tweeted by StackStatus on February 28, 2017 at 1:16 AM

Ramhound

I am Batman 🥊

Bob

1:19 AM

seems back

Ramhound

Odd SO loaded but not SU hamster power

There we go our hamsters are back!

Journeyman Geek

THAT is batman

eh,

the dism++ tool is actually pretty nice

Ramhound

1:42 AM

What does it do, and I seriously need to get new virtual hamsters for my VCenter sever :-$

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ?

Journeyman Geek

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A: Why does the /winsxs folder grow so large, and can it be made smaller?

Dism++ is what you're looking for (https://www.chuyu.me/en/index.html). You will save gigabytes of space... You'll need to select "Replaced WinSxS assemblies". If you do this - it'll give you a warning that these installed updates cannot be uninstalled. Click ok, then scan It'll give you an...

@Ramhound many things, some degree of system cleanup (with risks) driver backups (<3), apparently WIM backups ...

Ramhound

Wim backups? Would be wonderful if I could read the documentation:-$

Journeyman Geek

yeah, its in chinese

sadly my windows 10 VM is too small to do a proper test of backing up and restoring

Ramhound

Yeah, that's typically the problem with VMs unless they are using for testing but I reversed my vote for the improvement effort

Journeyman Geek

1:47 AM

lol

I edited it cause its a bloody interesting tool people need to know about

imgur is being a pain

djsmiley2k

SO is being hit with a flood from webcams now

I still have to try and wipe and reinstall wifes laptop :/

Journeyman Geek

yup

Isaac

hey guys, anyone able to help me out with some nginx config? I want:

a.) handle static files
b.) pass .php and all other requests to apache

unfortunately my nginx likes to handle .php as static files

djsmiley2k

ideally with a ssd too but it could also have a new keyboard as the c key keeps stopping working, the > arrow key doesn't work at all, and the J key regularly pops off

Journeyman Geek

@Isaac typically, chat is not the right place for quick, technical questions

@djsmiley2k 0_0

djsmiley2k

1:53 AM

yah post it in a question, with config examples of what you have right now

@JourneymanGeek hey, i replaced the monitor after I accidently knocked it off the sofa...

(I also brought her the laptop many a year ago sooooo)

Bob

@Nick_Craver Is there a correlation between wifi devices you make fun of on twitter and attacks on our site?

Tweeted by captncraig on February 28, 2017 at 1:51 AM in reply to Nick_Craver

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k time for a new laptop? ;p

djsmiley2k

@JourneymanGeek You offering? XD

I have no money

Journeyman Geek

neither do I ;p

djsmiley2k

I got 2 kids :P

Journeyman Geek

1:54 AM

but at this rate, this ends up being a new laptop ;p

djsmiley2k

I have 1, maybe 2 laptops to recondition

but again, I'd want to stick a ssd in :/

Journeyman Geek

ah

shrug

djsmiley2k

and they are even older

oh, maybe 3!

Journeyman Geek

even low end ones are an improvement

djsmiley2k

/me just remembered another one he was handed he never even booted.

Journeyman Geek

1:55 AM

I threw in 60 dollar/120gb SSDs into core2duos and they actually run quite well

and this was some time back

djsmiley2k

Nod.

Sad, when Idon't even have that kinda cash :(

Journeyman Geek

oh, now, I can't do that ;p

least till the next job

Ramhound

@JourneymanGeek superuser.com/users/690459/ricardo has defaced every one of his answers

Alright so only the 4 I looked at, the 5th one they didn't

Journeyman Geek

@Ramhound better to let me deal with it

Run5k

@JourneymanGeek , I actually took the top users in the reputation league standings for an entire year: 2016.

Ramhound

2:09 AM

They apparently deface every question/answer on every site

Journeyman Geek

@Ramhound yeah, its sorted

Ramhound

I figured

Journeyman Geek

There should be an auto-flag for that

Ben N

Pretty sure there is

Also, this duck is adorable

Ramhound

What's the point of the 🦆?

djsmiley2k

2:23 AM

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr tickets won't stop comin

/me drowns

Rahul2001

Happy National Science Day!

Journeyman Geek

which nation?

Ramhound

@Run5k My tough love prepares you for review queue, kidding, maybe...I save my upvotes for the absolutely best questions and answers. Still waiting on a reason that Liberal downvoting and conservative upvoting is actually bad.

Journeyman Geek

I do the opposite ;p

djsmiley2k

2:38 AM

ok that was unexpected... it's snowing

Ramhound

3:00 AM

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Q: Windows 10 Full Drive Format Fails

I recently bought two USB3 external hard drives that I want to do a full (not quick) format on using the Windows formatter. For whatever reason though, I keep getting an error for both drives stating that Windows could not complete the format. I have tried formatting these drives using different ...

windows-10 hard-drive external-hard-drive

Anyone got any ideas?

Run5k

@Ramhound I realize that there will always be some degree of subjectivity regarding the up-vote/down-vote ratio, but from my perspective the Help Center guidance still seems like the ideal philosophy: "The up-vote privilege comes first because that's what you should focus on: pushing great content to the top. Down-voting should be reserved for extreme cases. It's not meant as a substitute for communication and editing."

Psycogeek

so we are giving out participation awards now :-) Actually i agree , we shouldnt kick everyone in the teeth until after they deserve it, it makes thousands of people to run off and never come back.

djsmiley2k

I upvote good stuff, and downvote bad :O

However I think for every @Ramhound there is a @JourneymanGeek so in the end it all works out :D

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k I also sometimes edit posts that don't meet standards cause I like the product ;p

djsmiley2k

3:15 AM

I edit things that I can improve.

Bob

3:29 AM

If you look really close, you can see a slight increase in site traffic: https://t.co/K6E2a4YrtV

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on February 28, 2017 at 2:35 AM in reply to Nick_Craver

Psycogeek

I was trying to make a list of all the things I want to do, and have not yet.
Then i realised how much doing them would cost, sooo I decided to make a fuket list , of all the things I Won't be doing before I die.

djsmiley2k

:D

which list is longer?

Psycogeek

well the one with "fly to the Moon" on it

djsmiley2k

something is crushing my machine irghtn ow

/me attempts to open task manager

Ramhound

@Run5k I have tried to communicate, I have determined, most people don't want to hear feedback so I no longer provide it when I feel it will cause a problem.

I still don't plan not to issue a vote on a contribution I think is helpful or unhelpful though. The help center doesn't do a good job explaining that the developers also feel downvotes are very important. I will leave the tactful comment to somebody with that ability.

djsmiley2k

3:44 AM

man, i so want a lathe d:

Ramhound

????

Journeyman Geek

lol

a lathe's on my bucket list

djsmiley2k

:)

unless I can get some kind of desktop one, there's no way it's happening in say the next 20. years..

I just wanna... work wood

:O

it looks so awesome on youtube :D

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k there's these small 'multi purpose' models for that

djsmiley2k

how small o_O

/me has never actually looked

Journeyman Geek

3:51 AM

amazon.co.uk/The-cool-tool-830-00-Classic/dp/B002TAPU0O/… is kinda the one to look at

there's cheaper clones too

djsmiley2k

Oh my

it's a drill press, and a lathe?

Journeyman Geek

yup

djsmiley2k

i didn't realise this kinda thing exists

how big is it?

compared to say, your dog

~(I know the size of a dog :D )

Journeyman Geek

I donno

djsmiley2k

:/

Journeyman Geek

3:54 AM

banggood.com/… is a clone

> table size: 90 x 90mm

Bob

@JourneymanGeek "cheaper"

@JourneymanGeek ...that's tiny

djsmiley2k

I didn't even realise this kinda thing existed

9cm

hmmm not too bad

I could make small stuff on it

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek in this case you figure it was the original, everyone else is buying and re-labeling the china one to sell $$$$

djsmiley2k

I also want to do some welding.

i've got my eletronics to the point where I can follow a guide to make something

but most 'somethings' require a nice case, or box, or whatever

and I'm like... well damn, need to learn that now :D

So anyone here do any serious wood working, or not so serious?

Psycogeek

you wouldnt catch me making fancy dowling, I have had to sand and paint it :-) nope, stays straight or even square

Plastic, make cases like everything else, use acrylics and abs plastics, with it you can have a project box made in a day in most cases.

wood glue is not forever, plastic junk that is solvented together or melded, or sonic (yea) sealed, is all the same materials, so the assembly lasts about as long as the plastic itself.

djsmiley2k

4:07 AM

@Psycogeek just glue it?

don't just use glue on wood

pin stuff, do it properly

proper joins and stuff etc

that's what I want to learn D:

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek the original version is allegedly better made.

Psycogeek

ahh you mean like dovetails and mitered joints and , me i prefer Flat straight simple and screwed. Even dowling wood is not as good as butting it piloting it and driving a hunk of spiral steel in.

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k i throw stuff together as needed

nothing pretty

Psycogeek

why we screw everything up , and it lasts for decades for real. while some of the fancy stuff is breaking away , and all the extra pieces and (art) work.

indeed it is only fine craftsmanship that assembles the wood so well that nary even a nail would be needed. Myself i have never needed or afforded that, to ME , it is all about the function over form, does it do the job?

Journeyman Geek

lol

djsmiley2k

4:17 AM

throwing stuff together is fine

Journeyman Geek

butt joints are weak

djsmiley2k

functional stuff is what I'm thinking about

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k that needs a few more tools.

heh. I watch a rediculous number of woodworking channels

while he's hipster as hell, youtube.com/channel/UC1V-DYqsaj764uBis9-UDug is worth a watch

also like the samurai carpenter

djsmiley2k

i'm slowly collecting some tools...

Journeyman Geek

I'm not going to be able to do things properly till I move out ;p

Psycogeek

4:20 AM

I did go to wood shop, but generally tossed those ideas, and not only got things done 15 times faster, but my stuff is still solid. cant say the same about thier glued stuff, it all had to be glued again at one time or another. Almost caused severe injury as the glue failed on the (oh that was fine craftsnanship) kitchen chairs

If a screw was in there instead, it would bend and bend and bend, instead it pops, cracks, fails.

djsmiley2k

sounds shoddy.

Journeyman Geek

most shop made furniture tends to be.

Psycogeek

well, only so much you can do, wood to wood. The baseboards we were putting in had mutilV cuts to precisely assemble them to make them look like whole wood.
One of the workers drop them 8 feet, thinking they were real wood. they all fell apart on impact, all of them. i was surprised.

now woulld the Nut Bolt set i would put in :-) have fallen apart ? no

Ok ok so i have "Steam Punk" baseboards. thats a good thing now , isnt it :-)

bwDraco

You might as well buy the DIY furniture kits that you can get for cheap online and put it together yourself. That way, you know how well it'll hold up.

djsmiley2k

what's a base board?

@bwDraco Ikea ftw

Psycogeek

4:29 AM

baseboards, are the bottom trim piece on the walls. hiding the mess :-)

djsmiley2k

oh, skirting board, right

and they aren't made of wood there?

Psycogeek

yea. most of them are made of recycled garbage. which explode when the dog peed on them.

djsmiley2k

:O

here they are wood

tho, the houses are all 1940's so yeah

wasn't much left after the germans were done

Psycogeek

the ones I had chosen were Pine. they also have oak (3X$) and even plastic, the plastic is nice if you dont have a mindset over "photo finish" faux wood grain.

explode is the term we been using when a piece of "fiberboard" expands to 3X original size as soon as it gets wet.

djsmiley2k

jeeeeeeeeeesys

Psycogeek

4:40 AM

there was fiberboard used throughout this Million . . . .

djsmiley2k

400 mile NFC range

Psycogeek

doller house.

the window shelves, which would get rain on them if the window was open, would explode , the baseboard when the dog tinkled, and the doors even (fiberboard). Even painting this crappy fiberboard causes it to expand some where the paint wet it.

(that is why they come pre-primed)

djsmiley2k

lol

houses here are better build

at least the older ones.

Psycogeek

houses here were, for sometime, and they still have lots of advancements as they build outside walls and roofs with Sawdustboard, trim with recycled cardboard fiberboard, and press out doors on a machine :-)

there are 3 (expencive) houses being built in these last months, and they had ChipBoard for the walls and roof. Uhh it has been raining, and they only covered it for 1/2 the time. so the walls they are about to hide behind stucco and sheetrock, already look 20 years old.

It might also be that more of the chipboard and sawdustboard are used in california, where there is much less rain.

It is all certified , and code, and really does work great if it stays dry. But wood expands, and wood expands and contracts every season. Glue does not.

Bob

@bwDraco That way I know I should never put any weight on them, at least.

Most "DIY furniture kits" are just particle board and a couple screws...

Journeyman Geek

4:56 AM

yup

bwDraco

That... kinda depends.

The set we used to have had very thick cushions that pretty much ensured it would not collapse on its own unless you put more than a reasonable amount of weight on it.

It's also not the cheap sort of particleboard you often find in cabinets, bookcases, etc.; it's actually oriented strand board, which holds up quite well.

Psycogeek

they even make joists out of the stuff now. some of them will be with wet crawlspaces. we shall see how long that lasts. as furnature even sawdustboard lasts.

unless it was no longer in climate controlled houses. put that stuff outside untreated , and time will turn it back to nature.

bwDraco

5:15 AM

We've had countertops made of plywood, MDF, and hardboard. They last quite a long time if you take good care of them, but it's not quite as good as granite.

(MDF is generally very durable as long as you don't abuse it)

Psycogeek

5:28 AM

funny how the broadband carriers each wanted to limit excessive downloading . But did they think for a minute? If you got 40 torrents running , you pay your ISP bill On-Time :-)

The people who only dabble on the web here and there, get a bit of e-mail, and watch 2 youtubes, they can do without alltogether , and for much longer.

The guy desperatly trying to re-do his steam game downloads at 300Gig of data, is probably going to keep up with that utility bill, even not require much service.

to top off how stupid it may be to cut-off all the supergeekoids out there, the ISP has to remember who was doing 1st level technical assistance for all thier customers.

It sure was not the ISP :-)

Journeyman Geek

6:04 AM

hm.

I need a thing.

Psycogeek

------------> O heres a ball ?

Journeyman Geek

naw, some kinda linux distro I can throw on a USB drive to make it a media player thing

or just throw lxde on it to test the hardware first....

djsmiley2k

something that runs kodi?

pretty sure you can prob get usb kodi images...

Journeyman Geek

yeah I suppose

openelec looks good

ugh

I need to set up the box in my room

Psycogeek

6:38 AM

ʕ◕ᴥ◕ʔ drop bears look so cute at first (ᵔᴥᵔ)

Journeyman Geek

I can't seem to get vga out from the brix

Psycogeek

彡彡 then all the blood ݜ and the running ڠ and screaming 彡彡

Journeyman Geek

erf

I need stuff in my room to get this working

Journeyman Geek

7:13 AM

ugh

this makes no sense

Ok, cable works on TV and monitor

laptop works on TV and monitor.

NUC works on monitor, not TV

Psycogeek

what cable / connection type?

Journeyman Geek

VGA

its an older TV

I'd like to rule out ~~canine~~ human error in a bit

Psycogeek

desktops can have disable for ports on them, nobody but me would disable every unused port.

Journeyman Geek

hence testing it on known good everything

HackToHell

mopidy.com

Psycogeek

7:19 AM

old tv could not handle the "sync" type

HackToHell

Tempted to run that on the edison

Needs spotify premium tho

Journeyman Geek

hm

The NUC is more modern than the laptop

Psycogeek

analog VGA and like my ATI&AMD cards, you can do quite a bit of messing with the sync, and of course the resolutions. to possibly feel out a place where it is happy.

could just be that piping out QuadHD , to that TVs vga :-) just doesnt work.

Journeyman Geek

7:39 AM

annnnd

now it works

so its either the cable or me

ugh

both!

Psycogeek

or the order you turned it on

or gremlins

Journeyman Geek

or ... solar flares

now, I need to see if I can get sound working

Psycogeek

so you turning the Nuc into a TVPC ?

Journeyman Geek

pretty much

Journeyman Geek

7:56 AM

Need a new RCA to 3.5mm converter tho

But that's relatively cheap

Bob

;

Andy K

8:32 AM

hey guys

Oliver Salzburg

> UniFi supports QoS based on WMM (aka WME).

The UniFi AP maps DSCP value to WMM priorities and process these packets accordingly. UAP considers either DSCP or COS. It compares COS with DSCP (the first 3 bits) and takes whichever has higher value to map to WMM AC according to the table below:

Oh, well then. That makes it a lot clearer

Journeyman Geek

8:48 AM

I do need to spend a bit of time tuning it in, and working out how to move things in

Burgi

9:19 AM

morning

its snowing

> Just an update on our missing cleaning person - it turns out he has been mugged and is in hospital. They took his cards and wallets from him. We are going to find out where this happened as he works at a lot of places around town or it could have been where he lives but we will let you all know.

poor guy :(

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Rahul2001

Hello!

@Burgi :(

Andy K

9:37 AM

hey Burgi

crazy the story of the cleaning mister ...

that's terrible

Journeyman Geek

openelec is rediculously easy to set up :(

Oliver Salzburg

9:56 AM

Is there a reason why all hardware manufacturers love to ship their software with broken SSL?

Like, why are they all using self-signed garbage

And constantly pointing me to 192.168.x.x as if that could ever have any useful result

It seems like there would be a point

Bob

> Mozilla Acquires Pocket

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat??

Journeyman Geek

I kinda expected that actually

HackToHell

Why are they wasting their money

DavidPostill

@HackToHell They will be able to know what people are saving in pocket which gives them more information about people's surfing and purchasing habits ...

HackToHell

@DavidPostill :/

can't they simply make firefox fast again

And firefox os was ....

Bob

10:12 AM

@DavidPostill Uh. That's not even remotely how it works.

DavidPostill

@Bob Really?

Bob

@DavidPostill If they wanted info on surfing and purchasing habits ... *cough* browser *cough*

DavidPostill

Yes, but they will get even more of this data.

> Pocket will join Mozilla’s product portfolio as a new product line alongside the Firefox web browsers with a focus on promoting the discovery and accessibility of high quality web content.

Bob

To... do what exactly?

I think you're reading a bit too much into a marketing blurb.

DavidPostill

@Bob To make money? What other reason could there be?

Bob

10:19 AM

@DavidPostill How so, exactly?

How does that translate to making money?

Are you suggesting they'll start serving ads now?

Because that would be one way to a quick death.

if it means anything at all (and I'm still not sure it does, see: marketing, fluff), it's probably more in line with how Pocket currently shows something like top-5 most-saved

DavidPostill

@Bob They already tried once before ... :)

Burgi

11:10 AM

ugh....

our ISP is having major issues

and my minion broke the repo

Oliver Salzburg

11:26 AM

Perfect. Blame it on the ISP

Bob

11:58 AM

Black & White sailor song

►

Rahul2001

12:25 PM

@Burgi Looks like your minion does more harm than good...

Burgi

it was a little bit of internet failure

he was trying to merge two pull requests at the same time

Boris_yo

12:48 PM

Thinking of getting USB coffee/tea warmer. Anyone tried? Is it worth it?

Rahul2001

@Boris_yo Doesn't work apparently. Someone was discussing it here a few months ago

Burgi

@Rahul2001 i think it was @TOWMN that mentioned it

Rahul2001

@Burgi Wait... who's TOWMN again?

Journeyman Geek

@Rahul2001 cat/dog/qasdf.../

Rahul2001

Oh, right...

Journeyman Geek

12:53 PM

The One With Many Names.

that's even their official nickname.

Rahul2001

Ah

Burgi

did i unstar that or was it moderated?

jokerdino

Try starring it again so you will know.

Burgi

or was it our internet crapping out?

intertubes issue

Hennes

1:13 PM

it was foreign TCP datagrams crossing the great firewall between the US and Mexico.

Boris_yo

@Rahul2001 Well it may be that Chinese poorly made do not work. How about quality ones?

Plus 500mAh is low. How about 2 USB ports to get 1000mAh?

Rahul2001

I have never used one

chat.stackexchange.com/…

Boris_yo

@Hennes I am planning on replacing internal laptop DVD/CD drive with HDD using 9.5mm caddy. The thickness (9.5mm) is good but 125mm dimensions are not quite. The size of mine is 127.5mm so I am concerned how it will fit. There will be apparently 2mm wiggle room. How would that affect connection and would it wiggle? There are no screws that would hold it in place which is typical for HDD.

Rahul2001

@Boris_yo Doubled sided tape

@Boris_yo @Mokubai Might've used one more than half a decade ago

Boris_yo

@Rahul2001 Half a decade? Been quite a while.

Rahul2001

1:26 PM

:P

Hennes

I used a pre-mady caddy which just clicked in place.

2mm is quite a lot though. Maybe thicken the base or the top of the drive?

Mokubai

1:53 PM

@Rahul2001 I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't prove anything.

What did i do?

Journeyman Geek

Use a USB coffee warmer

like a barbarian

Mokubai

Wasn't it @allquixotic that had one of them?

Rahul2001

Mar 22 '11 at 13:11, by Mokubai

Would a USB mug warmer do the trick? http://www.find-me-a-gift.co.uk/gifts-for-men/work-gift/usb-cup-warmer.html?utm_source=froogle&utm_medium=free&utm_term=USB+Cup+Warmer+-+USB+Coffee+Mug+Warmer

Mokubai

I've only looked at them from an electrical perspective and wondered if 2.5W is enough to keep a coffee warm. Never actually used one...

So no barbarians here @JourneymanGeek

Journeyman Geek

I mean, USB cup warmers are a sure sign of a decadant society that can't either drink their drinks hot, or wait for them to cool to an ideal temperature.

Oliver Salzburg

1:59 PM

@JourneymanGeek Those don't work, they just showcase how we buy any stupid shit as long as you put a 0.99 sticker on it

Rahul2001

@Hennes MADDY CADDY PADDY LADDY RADDY SADDY GADDY NADDY VADDY YADDY BADDY ZADDY FADDY!

@BenN 'lo!

Ben N

Good morning!

Mokubai

/me stares at remains of lunch on desk....

@BenN Morning :)

Rahul2001

I just realised that I've been staring at this subconsciously while thinking about something else for 7 minutes: i.imgur.com/5EGMcyj.gifv

Also, aww: reddit.com/r/aww/comments/5wlrgh/…

Burgi

2:38 PM

wtf...

customer services is complaining that we applied an update to our development server

TOWMN

@Bob: apparently ill have access to these networks for free in Aus: Telstra, Vodafone Hutchison Australia Pty Ltd, and Yes Optus

That sounds like it's gonna be most of them (unless you have 10+ operators over there?)

Bob

@TOWMN That's all of them lol

TOWMN

No idea which ones I'll have 4g on for £5 a day though

Bob

Telstra generally best/fastest. Vodafone can be good in metro areas. Optus kinda in the middle, depends on congestion - better network than Vodafone but more users, bigger data plans and maybe more congestion.

TOWMN

In Italy my "free" "roam like home" 3G services get about 20Mb at night and 0.1Mb in busy places, my £3/day 4G services get about 70Mb in busy places and my £1.99 "unlimited" 3G gets about 2Mb

Burgi

2:47 PM

are you liking italy?

TOWMN

@Bob what's the rural/out of town 3G coverage like? Does it exist?

@Burgi Yes sorta. It's a place

Bob

@TOWMN depends where, but mostly Telstra

Burgi

@TOWMN my understanding is that in australia outside of the cities its very much like mad max

TOWMN