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12:07 AM
@kerbalspacecat love how he keeps dropping it
 
Bob
@BenN why were they banned?
 
False positive in an EXE I was sharing
It was UNLZEXE, which kinda makes sense since its job is to modify executables (to reverse the LZEXE executable compression process). It's used a lot in DOS game modding communities: shikadi.net/keenwiki/UNLZEXE
 
@JourneymanGeek from My Singing Monsters
@kerbalspacecat I half expected you to change your name to Potbelly and your chat description "Bop. I'm a potbelly." or change your name to ToeJammer and your chat description to "Doo. I'm a Toe Jammer." ;p
I need to breed a bunch of fwogs together so I can teach Cavil !!fwoooooog
 
Bob
@BenN eww "antivirus"
 
Yeah, it seems they use some third-party antivirus on all Public folder contents and automatically ban public links for the entire account if there's a hit
The ban never automatically expires, even if you remove the offending file
 
12:15 AM
@allquicatic :-o
I don't even know what those are
 
Bob
@BenN there was that time I had a false positive... that I compiled myself... that I wrote myself... that literally did nothing more than a system("cmd")...
I was playing with C and chucked that into MinGW
 
12:27 AM
@allquicatic that wouldn't get annoying.... ;)
also you have to find the opposite gender to whatever your current fwog is
 
12:39 AM
So. For some reason dns resolution keeps failing randomly. I can ping 8.8.8.8 but setting it as my dns server dosen't seem to work
does setting a local dns server and using that for resolution sound sensible?
turning the router off and on again and flushing dns seems to work
(I'm rubber ducking this)
 
"quack"
 
I'm especially frustrated cause I can't remember what I was using before
 
IIRC DNS queries go over UDP, does other UDP traffic work consistently?
 
hmm. Only thing I can think of off the top of my head that uses UDP is torrents, and those are hands off
How would I test it the next time this happens?
 
I hear good things about iPerf, but other than that I'm at a loss :/
 
1:04 AM
Hello!
 
@kerbalspacecat My Singing Monsters
 
@JourneymanGeek That's how it works for most people by default
(Some ISPs actively block you from doing anything different, but that's rare, at least around these parts)
 
@kerbalspacecat My ISP is mostly inept. ;p
 
1:23 AM
apparently so am I
anyway
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek ?
 
@Bob ehhh. Looking at config files and my eyes are glazing over ;p
 
2:12 AM
@Bob I have "what its got" playing. Part of brain is saying "THIS NEEDS RUSSIAN ACCENT!"
 
ok so...
turns out our neighbours doorbell is on the exact same frequency as ours
just been woken up by it
 
lol
can you change the frequency?
 
i just unplugged it, i'll check in the morning
 
ehe
 
2:54 AM
Hello!
 
rauraurau
 
3:17 AM
A Meta question before I leave for bed:
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Q: Should every answer involving registry edits contain a warning to back up the registry?

bwDracoI encountered this comment while browsing questions on Super User: "Remember to always be careful with the registry!": Such a notice should be added, because newbies can mess up! Also, instructions for a registry backup are useful, in case something goes wrong with the .regs. – Έρικ Κωνσταντό...

 
3:39 AM
!!/info headdesk
 
@bwDraco Command headdesk, created by cat on Thu, 14 Jul 2016 13:09:19 GMT
 
!!/info extraheaddesk
 
@bwDraco Command extraheaddesk, created by cat on Thu, 14 Jul 2016 13:13:26 GMT
 
@JourneymanGeek wow that's quite some determination to drive a piece of junk
Almost seems... Russian
 
@kerbalspacecat or redneck
Amusingly, I can state for the record that since my dad drove a soviet era vehicle... the steering wheel would likely be fine....
the seats on the other hand would be leaking orange powder, the engine would run on oil, petrol and rage vodka sheer dumb luck, only cause religion is the opiate of the masses ...
and spare parts would be impossible to find in the capitalist world...
 
3:49 AM
> Another driver had a similar issue in the past, when he was fined because the glare of his headlights on the wet road crossed the line.
Russians...
 
4:12 AM
 
Yay! My mechanical keyboard didn't suffer any permanent water damage :)
All keys work after giving it a long weekend to dry
 
I think I found an SE bug
I've logged out of SE, and refreshed chat, but I'm still logged in here :/
 
Bob
s/bug/feature/g
 
I think chat has a separate authentication domain (chat.stackexchange)
check your cookies -- you probably still have an auth cookie for chat
 
Bob
@allquicatic Kinda but not really.
iirc each domain keeps its own auth cookies but there's one global that's queried via an iframe (?)
it's been a while since I looked... was when the bot went down from clock drift :P
 
4:30 AM
I need some help with PHP :(
 
Bob
5:14 AM
Step 1: stop using PHP
(sorry, that's just become kinda my standard response :P)
but, yea, you do need to provide more info...
I have a cellphone. It can display video. The amazing thing about this video is that it can even reproduce blinks. It's like a little miracle in my pocket. Now, if face recognition used two cameras, so that the face needed to be 3D, I'd almost have a problem, except that I also have a 3DS. — Dewi Morgan 14 hours ago
 
@Rahul2001 have you tried turning it off and on again?
@allquicatic \o/
23 hours ago, by Journeyman Geek
I think we have the same carpet too
 
Bob
5:31 AM
> It’s like putting a banana in your ear to keep the alligators away. Good job, the alligators didn’t attack. Was it because of the banana?
 
>_>
This sounds classic mickens
 
Bob
> I’m not putting a 12 megapixel bitmap on my blog. Even this image was uncomfortably large.
> Could have splurged for a little more that 4.4 KB though….
lol
@JourneymanGeek I want more Mickens!
 
5:46 AM
Wawawawawawao.
 
Bob
o.o
 
@Bob that's how the dog in the video says hello ;p
@allquicatic at some point I need to remove all my keys and do a deep clean of my keyboard ><
 
6:16 AM
Hi guys!
I am not able to boot my pc from the USB thumb drive with ubuntu. Windows keeps booting from internal SSD
 
Bob
tell your motherboard firmware to boot from the flash drive
and make sure it's actually bootable, too
 
I did, yet it boots from SSD
I've created it using unetbootin
 
Bob
then figure out if it's UEFI-bootable or BIOS-bootable, and check if you've told your motherboard to try to UEFI-boot the flash drive or CSM/legacy/BIOS-boot it
 
Ehhhhh. Unetbootin isn't really supported iirc.
Also some USB drives just don't work as boot media. Sometimes on specific systems.
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek that's because it generates legacy BIOS-boot, no?
though if the drive is formatted FAT32 then EFI-boot would also work provided the original image supports it
of course, that needs to match up with the motherboard's settings, and I honestly can't be bothered trying to write a step-by-step when I've been given approximately zero info about the hardware in question.
 
6:29 AM
@Bob yup. I mostly use Rufus anyway.
 
Bob
7:24 AM
@JourneymanGeek eh, I've used YUMI in the past but that doesn't support EFI
it's easy enough to build an EFI-bootable drive by hand anyway -- assuming you have an EFI-bootable image
format FAT32 (no partition table), plonk files in there, shove a /EFI/BOOT/ dir in there, shove a BOOTx64.EFI in there, done.
usually the image will even happily include that file for you
The real fun begins when you find case-sensitive firmware.
 
morning
 
lol
Oh, it does kinda ignore the bootable bit dosen't it?
 
7:55 AM
I'm gonna try with another software because I'va had no luck with unetbootin
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek There ain't no bootable bit.
 
@Bob sure there is/was
 
@Bob Nevermind, I've solved it
 
You stopped using PHP?
 
lol, no
 
8:09 AM
I'm not sure you solved it then
 
What can I use instead?
PERL?
:P
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek AFAIK the "boot" flag often displayed by partitioning tools are not real flags.
Some will display "boot" on the ESP, if it's GPT.
On Windows/MBR, "boot" is the drive with the bootloader and a primary flag.
On a removable disk, you're not supposed to have a partition table at all.
The filesystem fills the entire device.
Not too sure, but I don't think FAT32 actually has any 'bootable' flag.
Ah, misremembered. MBR does have a boot flag in the partition table. Displayed as active by Windows.
GPT doesn't (see: ESP)
Neither applies (nor exists) on removable.
And GRUB doesn't use it anyway.
 
mbr does
that's why in the old days, the HP format tool was so handy
and there was a USB bootable flagm pretty sure
 
8:27 AM
Okay, so $currentp is a variable
and I want to include a file which has that variable as its name, and .php as its extension
include("$currentp.php"); doesn't work
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek only if you do something really weird and put a mbr on it
 
Neither does
include("$currentp" . ".php");
 
@Rahul2001 include($currentp.".php");
 
@Bob it worked most of the time, other than that one specific USB key, Pretty sure it did something ;p
 
or you can load the filesystem directory list into an array and foreach through the list
 
8:32 AM
I haven't had a non bootable usb key lately so... its been a non issue
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek see VBR
 
@Burgi Thanks!
 
variable bit rate?
 
Bob
there's a boot sector (with known signature) but not really a boot flag
 
@Bob "something" ;p
 
Bob
8:35 AM
Eh, I'll stick with efi
Ewwwww a sardine can
(S-set train, really old, no aircon)
They're supposed to be decommissioned but are occasionally brought out if they're short on other more modern types
 
Lol.
@Bob assuming it's not a legacy system...
The PC. The trains are clearly legacy systems....
 
8:52 AM
lol
 
Lol. Fail.
 
Bob
9:09 AM
Anyone wanna report that email to ms?
 
@Bob Will it do any good?
 
Bob
@DavidPostill Haven't got a clue
I'd try but I'm on mobile
 
Snigger
Hint: average of 3 values is (x+y+z)/3 — DavidPostill 1 min ago
 
@Bob eh. I decided not to bother for now ;p
 
9:30 AM
hm... can I do backend stuff in JS?
 
5
Q: Is it possible to write the backend using JavaScript?

DNB5brimsAs we all know, JavaScript is widespread on the web. For client side scripting it does a great job. But is it possible to take JavaScript outside the browser? For example, writing a streaming socket or writing DB, doing schedule job? Things like that in the backend? Thanks.

@Rahul2001
 
Thanks!
Okay, this is weird
can't type some keys while holding down shift
Weird virus?
and my ]]]]]] key has gone wild
 
"some keys" Could you be a leeetle less specific?
 
plus, i,
can type =, but not the plus sign
and i can type 'i', but need to turn on caps lock for ']I'
 
have you tried replugging the kb?
 
9:43 AM
and my ] key is gettin]g pressed randomly
@Burgi laptop :/
 
have you got crap stuck under the keys?
 
no, just checked
argh
 
lock the screen, turn it upside down and give it a shake
 
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Q: Automatically generate comment at close vote

Máté JuhászWhen I cast a duplicate close vote on a question, the system automatically generates a comment (I vote to close the question being duplicate of ...) I think it's very useful as it gives an early warning for the owner; I'm also doing something similar with other type of close votes, explaining wh...

 
@burgi that did nothing
hm... but the keys weren't working on the lockecreen either
it could still be a virus, right?
MBAM!
 
9:59 AM
!!xkcd virus
 
@Burgi Something went on fire; status 403
 
lol
 
I benchmarked my hard disks with ubuntu and this are the results... what do you think? to me it looks like the hard disks are not the problem.
this is the SSD
this is the HDD
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A: HP Envy 17 3D 2199 el is incredibly slow

Ben RichardsAll I can think of with the combination of slowness, lack of CPU and disk activity, and no swapping, is a combination of the processor being very underclocked or throttled + bad graphics drivers causing you to always use the discrete graphics chip rather than the cooler and less power hungry Inte...

this is the question I have posted Yesterday and about which I was speaking about with ben and others here
 
Bob
10:30 AM
@DanieleC I missed the earlier convo, but 0.82 GHz smells of "urk, throttling"
what's the actual temperature it's running at? fans always spinning is... urk.
speaking of which, HP laptops tend to have lots of problems with clogged fans/vents
 
wow
 
@Bob I would say this person belongs in a special place in hell, but I can't imagine any horrors worse than what he he's wrought.
 
Bob
> If you have another unrelated workbook open, sometimes the code starts writing messages into your workbook instead of the client one (this is handy if you don't want to switch back and forth)
 
the horror...
 
11:02 AM
@Bob what do you suggest me to do then?
 
Bob
@DanieleC Check CPU temps first. HWiNFO, SpeedFan, HWMONITOR, etc, pick one.
@DavidPostill And now, for something different... youtube.com/watch?v=GS1AYNO6T5E :P
 
ok
 
Bob
@DanieleC You should also check task manager performance graphs while in the middle of doing something intensive/slow.
 
this is sit when I am running edge and checking for Windows updates
this is my task manager in the same situation as above
 
@Bob <puke> ;P
 
11:18 AM
@Burgi 1720 identified threats...
 
Bob
@DanieleC Open "Sensors", not "Summary".
 
ok
 
WTF?
> 0 threats successfully quarantined
Are you kidding me?
 
Bob
@Rahul2001 s/identified threats/harmless tracking cookies/
 
@Bob that's good
 
Bob
11:23 AM
@jokerdino \o/ :P
 
@Bob lol, really?
 
Bob
@Rahul2001 almost certainly
 
@Rahul2001 If you think you are infected it is worth trying multiple cleanup solutions.
 
@DavidPostill Windows Defender says the PC is clean
 
Bob
sometime in the late 2000s some A/V company discovered they could massively inflate detection rates by including tracking cookies
 
11:25 AM
@DavidPostill MBAM says it isn't
 
@Rahul2001 So?
 
@Bob That is really pissing off
 
Bob
I mean, if you look at the detection details you'll see what it actually is.
I'd put money on it being tracking cookies.
 
Yeah, they're all in the Google Chrome folder
And MBAM doesn't make unselecting them easy
 
@Rahul2001 Use ccleaner to easily get rid of cookies
 
11:29 AM
@DavidPostill is that even necessary?
 
It cleans a lot of other crap as well.
 
Bob
s/get rid of cookies/break your computer/
if you want to "get rid of cookies"... use your browser's built-in tool
ctrl+shift+delete will open it in ie, ff and gc
ccleaner will, meanwhile, delete a bunch of things it claims are "useless"... until you discover something's horribly broken a few months later
 
this are the sensors, as you can see CPU Thermal does not seem to work
 
Damn it]]]]]]]]
 
Bob
@DanieleC scroll down a bit - there might not be per-core but there should at least be a package temperature
 
11:34 AM
sor]r]y
 
Bob
@Rahul2001 y'know, you should probably test by booting into a different OS... it's almost certainly a hardware fault
 
i just w]il]l
 
11:44 AM
@Bob I'm in kali now, and everything works
 
Bob
:\
did you try... restarting?
 
+1
 
@Bob Never happened to me in 5 years or so ...
 
+1
it cleans out orphaned entries in the registry too
 
Bob
@DanieleC Basically scroll down for any temperatures at all. Could be CPU Package, CPU, Auxiliary, Motherboard... many possible sensor names. Anything with a °C or °F after it.
 
11:58 AM
even CPU package can't be read
 
Bob
@DanieleC 73 is pretty damn hot. probably throttling...
 
oh ok..
so what shouòd I do when it throttles while doing anything
I mean right now I only have this page opened
and still it's really hot
what about the 1700 threads?
 
Bob
@DanieleC That's not a problem.
@DanieleC That CPU should be able to run at 2000 MHz on all cores, or 2900 MHz on one (if cooling is good enough). Yours is running at 1200 MHz.
Yea, smells like throttling.
You can look at your power profile and try high performance instead of battery saver, but if it's thermal that probably won't help much.
I bet there's a large amount of dust in the fan/heatsink assembly.
Your best bet? Disassemble the thing and pick out the dust. The HP laptops I've used tended to get actual solid clumps of dust stuck in the nooks and crannies of the fan assembly, that needed tweezers to pull out...
If you don't feel comfortable with disassembly, then take it to a repair shop.
You'll probably have to remove the heatsink in the process (and apply new heat paste while you're at it).
Unfortunately, HP laptops aren't very disassembly-friendly.
@BenN also mentioned checking if you're using the discrete GPU when you don't need to be. That would contribute a fair amount of heat too.
 
@Bob or a pad.
 
Ok thank you! I see if I find a guide online
 
Bob
12:11 PM
Basically, it's probably intentionally slowing itself down to reduce heat so it doesn't die completely. You need to improve cooling (by getting rid of the dust) so it can run faster.
 
@DanieleC look for a service manual.
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek When all your air vents are blocked... :\
Yea, HP service manuals are publicly available, thankfully.
 
@Bob using paste rather than a pad when you need a pad would be not optimal.
 
Just got off the phone with arcserve support...
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Oh yea, should make sure it comes with paste in the first place.
The only HP laptops I've disassembled were pasted.
The specific service manual: h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c02772484
 
12:14 PM
After weeks of working on this ticket, he finally search the knowledge base and found an article with the same error message I'm seeing. The article suggests that a service is trying to use a port that is already being used and that the services needs to be configured to use a different port
I check if the port is being used, it is, by the service. The guy demands that we change the port anyway. So we do. He'll call me back tomorrow to see if it helped
 
Bob
You want to look at page 64, "Fan/heat sink assembly" -- follow the links to the other sections as you go (e.g. removing the keyboard, etc.).
It's page 72 of the PDF.
@DanieleC Only do this if you're comfortable with it. It's not very hard to mess up and break it :\
 
@OliverSalzburg what is the software you are battling against?
 
Bob
The other option is to pay a repair shop to do it for you.
 
@Burgi arcserve UDP
It's mostly a battle with the support staff though
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek It's half/half:
> ●
Thermal paste is used on the processor
(1)
and the heat sink section
(2)
that services it

Thermal pads are used on the graphics subsystem chip
(3)
and the heat sink section
(4)
that
services it

Thermal pads are used on the system board capacitors
(5)
and the heat sink section
(6)
that
services them
 
12:16 PM
what does it do?
 
Bob
The pads will be a pain to deal with...
 
@Burgi In theory, it performs backups
 
Bob
@DanieleC If you have tweezers, you can probably reach in and pick out any dust without taking the heatsinks off.
Dust especially likes getting trapped in the corners of the fan cover.
 
@OliverSalzburg offsite backups?
 
@Burgi It supports backing up into "the cloud", but we use it for on-site disk-to-disk backup
arcserve was bought from CA by some investment firm in 2014
Since then, they have moved development and support to India
Because, well, you gotta make that money
The product is shit and so is the support
They have a stellar sales team though
 
12:20 PM
heh
i take it your company is too invested to swap to backup exec or another product?
 
@Burgi We don't use it at my company. It's a client
 
ah!
 
They used Acronis before, which was shit as well. So shitty actually, that we returned it and went with arcserve
What a great choice!
 
heh
 
I mentioned this before in here, but the most amazing thing to do when in remote sessions with support is to monitor your clipboard
As your clipboard is shared with them, you can catch the most amazing shit
 
12:30 PM
how are you doing that?
 
@Burgi Notepad and Ctrl+V :P
 
as simple as that :)
 
I also considered writing software for it, but, meh
Apparently I even wrote some code: github.com/hartwig-at/ClipboardViewer
IIRC the result wasn't great
 
Thanks a lot guys
 
12:47 PM
@DavidPostill re: your spam flag on Ask Ubuntu, any explanations?
 
@jokerdino Which one? The most recent?
 
Yes, the audio from YT one.
 
i'll be honest clearing the clipboard before doing remote support is something i hadn't thought about
 
in Charcoal HQ, 5 hours ago, by SmokeDetector
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer: Search and download audio-only from youtube by Sandara Paty on askubuntu.com
@jokerdino
The second link looked spammish.
 
@Burgi Yeah, most people don't
 
12:57 PM
i will do it from now on... ;)
 
@jokerdino Body - Position 235-245: apowersoft
 
apowersoft is a spam site?
 
@Burgi Isn't that why there are these recovery codes you're supposed to print and store safely, which nobody in the history of everything ever did?
 
@jokerdino 19 from 27 mentions have been deemed spam by metasmoke reviewers.
So, yes it has been spammed.
Having said that:
in Charcoal HQ, 1 min ago, by Andy
I'd like to raise a request for a keyword review. apowersoft seems to have a fairly high number of false positives (though, I admit I haven't compared it against other keywords).
 
Yes
 
1:12 PM
@Bob are we SRing today?
@jokerdino the name rings a bell
 
yeah, I do have some memories of removing such posts in the past.
 
Apowersoft

Screenshot and video downloader spam.

IP addresses:

67.222.52.38
67.20.89.96
74.86.5.247
192.163.229.63

Domains:

apowersoft.com
downloadavideo.net
downloaddailymotion.com
free-download-youtube.com
free-music-downloader.com
screenshot.net
video-download-capture.com
videograbber.net
@jokerdino @JourneymanGeek meta.superuser.com/questions/9249/…
 
@DavidPostill I tend to rely on memory for that XD
 
@JourneymanGeek When you get to my age memory is not so reliable. I can still remember where I saw/read something though :)
 
@DavidPostill more often than not I look at the post + the ip address its from
there's certain places that seem to have more spam than most, and some spammers use VPSes
 
1:27 PM
@JourneymanGeek Yeah, but I don't get to see that :/
 
ya, but I often have to nuke accounts ;p
 
1:41 PM
Some use shared hosts, which make it a lot trickier.
That answer is definitely spam. The good link is meant to confuse reviewers.
 
@bwDraco I flagged as spam. Someone else disagreed. Hence the discussion in Charcoal.
 
!! Caaat
 
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