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Bob
12:16 AM
you literally ordered them from least secure to most secure — Richie Frame 6 hours ago
 
12:32 AM
Is it new that you cannot mark as a question as a dupe when the duplicate doesn't have an answer?
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Q: Why do I need to add a period after hostname in order to get DNS resolution to work?

boozedogC:\Users\david>nslookup home-pi3 Server: UnKnown Address: 192.168.1.1 Name: home-pi3 Address: 192.168.1.81 C:\Users\david>ping home-pi3 Ping request could not find host home-pi3. Please check the name and try again. C:\Users\david>ping home-pi3. Pinging home-pi3 [192.168.1.81] with 32 ...

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Q: Why cannot I ping computer name without dot?

zespriIn my home network I have a dhcp server and a dns server running on a router. Dhcp and internet access are working fine. I have for each device on my home network a dns record that associate some name to the device ip address. For example mycomputer resolves to 192.168.0.111. However when I i...

 
what's the actual error message?
ahh
they both don't have answers
the close target needs an answer IIRC
 
12:52 AM
@JourneymanGeek ...and such answer must be upvoted or accepted.
 
1:03 AM
@JourneymanGeek Is that new or I just haven't come across it before? I am sure I have vtced this type of thing before. Does that mean there isn't a way to deal with this type of duplicate?
 
Not really
If the newer question had an answer, and it was upvoted, it would be a better close target
Its always been like that
 
Bob
1:20 AM
@Paul The implicit suggestion has always been there but the hard restriction is "new" - as of several years ago...
@JourneymanGeek Ya, age of question should only be a consideration if both the question and answers are very similar.
Otherwise... the more general question/the better answers should generally be the target.
And it's been like that since the beginning afaik
 
1:52 AM
 
2:02 AM
@DavidPostill looks like Road Warrior will do exactly what I need.
 
2:28 AM
WOO - Just ordered my next system upgrade \O/ only thing it's missing is the GTX 1080, but I'll use the 980 for now
was pretty sure Skylake would be my thing - the next Intel iteration isn't going to bring anything exciting, I don't think... this Z170M mobo already has DDR4, USB 3.1, SATA Express, not sure what else I could want in the near future
> 2 x ($298.99) Seagate Desktop HDD ST8000DM002 8TB 256MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive $597.98
1 x ($339.99) Intel Core i7-6700K 8M Skylake Quad-Core 4.0 GHz LGA 1151 91W BX80662I76700K Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 530 $339.99
1 x ($234.99) Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 64GB (4 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2400 (PC4 19200) Desktop Memory Model BLS4K16G4D240FSE $234.99
1 x ($149.99) GIGABYTE G1 Gaming GA-Z170MX-Gaming 5 LGA 1151 Intel Z170 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard $149.99
> 1 x ($189.99) AOC E1659FWUX Pro - Led Monitor - 15.6 Inch - Portable - 1920 X 1080 Full Hd - 300 Cd/M2 - 500:1 - 11 Ms - Usb - Glossy Black $189.99
got that monitor for my "Go Kit"...
also doubles as a small secondary monitor on my desk
my Go Kit will involve the chassis (packed in a suit case if flying or taking a train; slung in the back of the car if driving); that AOC monitor; and a ThinkPad Compact USB Keyboard with TrackPoint. And possibly a wired mouse if I feel I'll need it in addition to the trackpoint for gaming.
the chassis with two fewer HDDs is a total of about 16 pounds (7.25 kg) lighter than my current build - and about half the volume, with significantly less length and height dimensions and a 1" wider width
only things I'm keeping from my current build are the PSU, the GPU until I order the 1080, and SSDs
 
Bob
lol
nice
I'm long overdue for a CPU/mobo upgrade by now. Still Sandy Bridge.
Still works, but the lack of expansion slots is getting annoying.
 
Honestly, I wouldn't have upgraded the CPU if my current mobo were Micro ATX. But I figured if I'm buying a new mobo might as well get a new CPU too
and that also led me to appreciate the potential performance gains of DDR4 :P
 
Bob
@allquixotic You were Ivy Bridge before?
 
yeah, upgrading from the 3770K -- it's a teensy tiny CPU upgrade, a very significant motherboard upgrade though, USB 3.1, Type C, and more PCIe lanes to boot... with SATA Express on board and a Thunderbolt header
but 64 GB of DDR4 should really boost perf for the next wave of high-end 64-bit simulation and strategy games
 
Bob
I don't even have USB 3.0 on Sandy Bridge.
 
2:36 AM
that plus the 1080 and it'll be one of the fastest systems on the market while not really spending all that much money... I'm sure some people will throw over $4k at their systems and maybe squeeze out 5% more perf
 
Bob
Well, I have it but it's a Renesas controller. Not Intel.
 
I would've tried for Mini ITX, but I thought the cable management would be too tight, and I might not be able to re-use my existing PSU in a true Mini ITX case, and I'd lose two RAM slots, which really sucks
 
Bob
@allquixotic I'd be amazed if you could use half of that. Heck, even a quarter :P
(for gaming)
 
@Bob oh, the OS will use 100% of it - page cache ftw
 
Bob
But it's pretty cheap for that much RAM, soooooo I suppose the thought purpose was 'why not'?
@allquixotic Eh...
 
2:38 AM
yeah, the thought process was exactly "why not" :P
also I'm about to find out just how good DisplayLink's drivers are
that AOC secondary monitor will somehow feed to my Nvidia card through DisplayLink
 
Bob
@allquixotic I suspect you're not gonna be reading the same files over and over enough for 64 to be a significant advantage over 32 for now :P
But it's good future-proofing
(for the next decade)
:P
 
yeah - this system has lasted me 4 solid years, which is a lot longer than my Nehalem build before lasted me, and it has decent resale value
 
Bob
@allquixotic Ugh. DisplayLink.
 
I can probably net $500 for the case, motherboard, CPU and RAM of my old build
 
Bob
Did you see the rant about the PCs I had to attach a second monitor to?
 
2:40 AM
maybe $400 for the GTX 980 (or less, as the market is soon going to be flooded with them)
 
Bob
The ones that had an Ivy Bridge CPU, a single VGA port, and zero PCI/PCIe slots?
@JourneymanGeek might remember that one :P
 
@Bob no
 
The ones with the MISSING slots?
 
Bob
Yea.
 
The thing I think I'm going to get the most money for is actually my 4 x 4 TB HGST HDDs. They're all pretty new, two of them extremely new, and selling on eBay for $120 apiece, used
 
Bob
2:41 AM
The PCB had them.
But the actual slots weren't there.
Eventually attached them via USB (2.0!) with a DisplayLink chip
 
@Bob eww... USB 2.0
 
Bob
The DIR-160 was shit. DIR-165 was alright, but occasionally glitchy.
IIRC their USB 3.0 stuff is DIR-195
 
dunno what you expect with USB 2.0 honestly, the protocol really needs the full bandwidth of 3.0 to work well
and mine will definitely get it
 
Bob
@allquixotic That was literally the only option I had.
@allquixotic Oh, bandwidth was fine. But the chip and drivers would occasionally bug out.
@allquixotic Heh, if the shipping didn't cost a small fortune, I'd buy some of those parts.
 
oh... not to change the subject, but perhaps new Thread( () -> topic).start(); ... do you know if Bluetooth 4.0 protocol is supposed to support A2DP audio output simultaneously with mic input? Is this something that any BT headsets support? Good ones, I mean. Would like to use that with my PC while traveling
I'm not bringing my enormous Blue Yeti microphone with me when traveling. It's not a problem for me while I have the Yeti with me because I use the BT cans for output only. But if I wanna do Teamspeak ...
 
Bob
2:45 AM
@allquixotic ...I don't recall ever doing that.
But I rarely use BT audio.
I only recently started using wireless more and usually it's with a dedicated dongle.
 
I know you can kick it into HFP mode for duplex input/output audio, but don't know if it can do A2DP with mic input
the Imperial Bart 1 has output and input ports for both 3.5mm and toslink so I was just wondering
 
Bob
You could always get one of those clip-on mics.
 
The Bluetooth protocol might support it but most headsets are too dumb
 
and when you connect it to a computer over USB it exposes both input and output to the PC
hmm, good point... could get a cheap clip-on bluetooth mic and use one of my umpteen Bluetooth dongles to connect it up to Windows
probably the one that uses the CSR chipset, since I have such a love affair with CSR and their aptX stuff :P
 
Bob
@allquixotic Well, you're not gonna be singing, so as long as it's understandable for voice... :P
@qwertyuiop Many hosts are also too dumb.
 
2:51 AM
@Bob Indeed, was going to mention that too
But Bob knows stuff so I left it to him
 
3:42 AM
is Friday
 
aw man. now I'm going to have to explain my history to management
 
4:28 AM
@Bob help me out here,
On most command line applications, an ERRORLEVEL of 1 means that the operation was carried out successfully...
However, I was watching a video on C++ and the guy said that we are supposed 'return 0' when the program runs correctly...
I'm confused now, what do I use?
 
Bob
4:42 AM
@RahulBasu Well, firstly, your premise is wrong :P
Exit code (ERRORLEVEL) of 0 indicates success
At least, that's the *nix standard and I don't think most Windows commands deviate.
Try dir, ping, etc..
 
wow google has custom processors for Tensor FLow
 
Bob
>dir C:
...

>echo %errorlevel%
0

>dir G:
The system cannot find the path specified.

>echo %errorlevel%
1
@RahulBasu Basically, in C and many (often C-family) programming languages, 0 is "falsey" and non-0 is "truthy". But it's the other way around for program exit codes.
For exit codes, 0 indicates success while warnings and errors are represented by custom non-0 codes.
e.g. test (*nix) considers 0 to be success/true
Of course, exit codes are technically implementation-defined and we only use those values by convention.
@RahulBasu The only code you should not use, on Windows, is 259: msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/…
 
@Bob Wow... thanks...
 
5:11 AM
Hmm... how do I get Steam to stop recommending VR games to me? :/
 
glare at it.
 
Yea, I suspect that's all I can do.
 
keep marking them as not interested?
 
hi journey
 
Bob
5:26 AM
mid
 
heh
I tend to blow up text to REALLY big sizes to read on my desktop, on account of dyslexia
its making everything else look tiny tho
 
5:46 AM
LOL, my school is asking me to host their website on my server...
 
Does thier Website host suck?
 
Now if they give me bad grades, I can hijack their website :P
@NetworkKingPin Yeah
 
You should do it.
 
everytime they need to make a change, they have to send an email
which goes into effect after a week
the school tech club is pretty pissed off with this arangement
 
Thats a Privilege. Just have to lock it down tight because you know kids try and mess with the school website.
 
5:47 AM
so they want me to host it
@NetworkKingPin most guys here don't even know coding
 
Gotcha. That is good.
 
only turbo c++
which I don't even count as coding :p
 
Well see if they will let you do it. Hosting fee applies ;)
 
They'll only pay for a domain
which is fine
I have plenty of space on my server
plus there's the added benefit of, you know, being able to blackmail them
 
That video got me wondering: How big of a solar panel would you need to power a big enough peltier device to condense enough water for one person to live on? And how big would the peltier device have to be?
 
5:53 AM
pretty darn big
 
my teacher broke a css that the school district referenced in all their sites
effectively took down 7 different websites for about three days looking for the issue
 
Hmm. Looks like this peltier device can dehumidify 4 pints per day in a 100% humidity environment. If you're in a really humid area you might be able to get enough water to survive for weeks or months at a time by running this constantly.
 
another plane disappeared
 
@Rikai teachers in my school don't even know what CSS is
 
he was our IT teacher
one of the two for the campus
 
7:00 AM
here's a thought - AMD should name the polaris 11 card "480p", just to troll nvidia.
 
lol. GTX 1080(p) and 480p where p is for Polaris and progressive for the resolution...
plus the previous gen was the 380/390 ;p
that would make total sense
 
AMD > Nvidia
but
Intel > AMD
 
I think AMD made hardware that was superior to Nvidia from about the Evergreen architecture (HD5000 series) up through and including the Southern Islands architecture (HD7000) but has since fallen behind... and AMD software has always been a clusterfuck of ineffective, buggy shit compared to Nvidia's
can't in good conscience buy an AMD card when their drivers are so broken
 
well, they have another chance with the 14nm chips
 
there's so much pent-up demand for smaller-than-28nm chips (not so much for the fab size in and of itself, but because of the performance and power efficiency gains you can realize by doing that!) that I really think the first card to the market will win in terms of market share, long term
 
7:05 AM
lol
 
and the first card to market is... drum roll... Nvidia!
not only that, but the initial launch of Polaris will not compete directly with the GTX 1080 - by design - intentional choice by AMD
meaning their "GTX 1080 killer" will be months late to the game
 
@allquixotic while there were good reasons for it, there's something to be said for owning your own fabs (like intel) and/or having a plan B market
 
and, knowing recent AMD, their GTX 1080 "killer" probably won't even actually kill the 1080 - it might beat it in certain benchmarks and lose in others, but it won't be a clear win
then Nvidia will release a 1080 Ti based on the full-scale chip that's in the new Tesla card, and AMD will have no answer at all.
 
Both intel and nvidia have benefited from having products that didn't originate from their main product line (the pentium M for example, and I do believe nvidia has a lot of GPGPU and non PC projects they probably can test stuff on at higher prices)
 
well the very first Pascal chip to market, and the full scale release of it, is purely a GPGPU server chip.
US Department of Defense, Department of Energy, and large enterprise HPC customers already have them in their hands I believe
 
7:08 AM
yup
and those are probably high margin designs where yield may not be as important and they have a guarenteed market.
 
true about the drivers
 
I do suspect the 'full' pascal chip will be another titan, and the 1080TI will be a whole different beast
 
then again, AMD didn't kill my 8.1 update
 
I do wonder though if the GlobalFoundries 14nm FinFET process is significantly better than the 16nm FinFET of TSMC
 
Oh, nvidia's drivers arn't perfect
 
7:10 AM
Nvidia killed it 3/3
 
(though I can update running dual monitor now <3)
 
as we learned with the Apple A9, it's possible to design a sloppy 14nm process that actually yields less efficient and even slower chips than a 16nm process
 
This was a great discussion read for sure.
 
@JourneymanGeek Isn't the 980 Ti a full-scale Maxwell with half the GDDR5?
 
Bob
7:14 AM
@Rikai You know what killed 8.1 for me? Ralink.
 
didn't have that issue
then again I didn't have a Ralink card
 
Nvidia is basically competing with themselves at this point -- if they want to continue to offer fantastic value to the customer, they'll put the 1080 Ti at a price in between the 1080 and the new Titan, while being very close in perf to the new Titan
 
Bob
I had to swap it out for an Intel wi-fi card.
 
but if they get greedy they could price it more aggressively (closer to the new Titan), or hamper the 1080 Ti by making it still a derivative of the GP104, and leave the full-scale chip dedicated for the Titan only
although... hmm... the 1080 Ti could be the 1080 with HBM2. that might be worth
 
why are you people such nerds.
 
7:17 AM
@Rikai I refer you to the topic of the channel - don't like it, you're welcome to go elsewhere
> Technology
 
tbh I feel at home, yet outmatched
 
@allquixotic essentially
Its essentially a titan with half the ram, which dosen't cripple it at all.
@allquixotic the market for the titan is roughly analogous to people who buy red italian sports cars ;p
I picked up the 980Ti cause I had specific needs it met
But the real 'workhorse' cards are the 960s and 70s. If someone can make one that handles 4K in that price range without breaking a sweat, I'd be seriously excited.
Also, don't forget DX12 lets you use 'mixed' GPU setups and you can always use an older card for phy-x acceleration
(though a 980TI for that is serious overkill)
@allquixotic I THINK there's a few fundamental issues with HBM (yield, cost, maybe maximum amount) that makes it tricky.
Don't you have to have it on the same die?
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Well, you're the guy with the 4k monitor. The two 4k monitors :P
 
so if I want to get a GPU for accelerated computations, which one should I get?
 
Bob
If anyone could benefit from lots of VRAM, it'd be you.
 
7:22 AM
I've heard AMD is better for more calculations, but Nvidia is better for more complex calculations
 
@Bob I'm not gaming on both tho
They're mismatched, it would be horrible ;p
 
Bob
@Rikai Depends on how soon you need it and how big your budget is.
 
no budget
all theoretical
 
And I bought the 980TI (a overclocked one) since it was about the same performance at 2/3 the price?
 
Bob
@Rikai It vaguely boils down to depending on whether you're dealing with singles, doubles, what integer size, what specific kind of math.
But there's no simple Nvidia vs AMD. You have to look at the specific architectures.
 
7:24 AM
@JourneymanGeek too bad most games aren't running DX12 yet, nor PhysX -- so for most games, having, say, a 1080 and a 980 in the same system, the 980 will be idle.
 
I see
 
except for AotS ;-)
 
@allquixotic yup
 
what about GPU passthrough for gaming in a Hyper-V guest?
 
Bob
Basically: if you really wanted to optimise, you'd figure out exactly what calculations, data sizes, etc., you needed, then shop based on that.
Though, IIRC as a rule of thumb the latest AMD generation is better at integer math (hashing) and double-width FP math than the 9xx Nvidia generation.
 
7:25 AM
@Rikai >_> a HyperV guest? *wrinkles nose*
 
@Rikai essentially that depends on the performance you want for your guests
 
Bob
Or maybe it was just better per $
 
but GPU passthrough is tricky
and does hyper V do that?
 
motherboard willing, GPU passthrough works in theory, but IMHO the best hypervisor for that is Xen, with a Linux host
 
iirc it does
 
7:26 AM
@allquixotic esx and KVM apparently work fine.
 
Bob
@allquixotic Hmm... now you have me wondering if I'd benefit from a 760 and two 560s (one Ti) for AotS :P
The gang of outdated GPUs
 
@Bob if you have them lying around, no danger in testing it ;p
 
Bob
Would need a mobo upgrade first though.
Damn lack of expansion slots.
 
@Bob the thing I always observed was that the ratio between the single-precision float and double-precision float math on (consumer) AMD cards is much better than the same on (consumer) Nvidia cards.
 
7:26 AM
anyone wanna pick on my server specs?
haven't built it yet, but will in a while
 
In other words, to get close-to-single-precision FLOPS with double-precision on Nvidia, you need Tesla
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek I have two 560s lying around, but only a single >1x slot :\
 
on AMD, you just buy a Radeon
consumer Nvidia cards have rather poor double-precision FLOPS
@Rikai sure
 
going to build a server out of desktop parts for home use, and a 1U for colo
 
Bob
@allquixotic Again, keeping in mind that we're only really talking past cards/specific generations here.
 
7:28 AM
well yeah, no idea what the Polaris/Pascal thing will pan out to be
 
Bob
The danger of thinking in terms of manufacturer vs manufacturer is your info could become inaccurate with a new release.
(Yea, you know that, but I'm saying it for @Rikai's benefit :P)
@Rikai If you're building a new machine, IMO don't bother with Haswell.
 
@Rikai 4 NICs in your desktop? what kind of bandwidth are you sitting on?! or is that for LAN...
 
Bob
You'd want DDR4 at a minimum for future-proofing.
 
its for redundancy
 
.
5
 
7:30 AM
and dedicated node access
board has two NICs, and I'm getting two 10/100/1000 cards
 
Bob
@Rikai ...what, do you have four lines coming in to your home?
 
no no
 
You'd need it connected to different ISPs for real redundancy tho
 
nooo its for local only
 
have you actually purchased the desktop yet? or is that also in the planning phase?
 
7:31 AM
planning
 
or you're bonding/trunking them
 
ok, then yeah, I'd say scrap the plan to get Haswell and go with Skylake
 
which processor?
 
always design for the current gen, then pick up the next gen or the one after
 
the i7-6700 (with or without K, your pick)
FUCK - just realized I didn't order a CPU cooler for the new build
 
7:32 AM
Do the K models do VT-D now?
 
and I'm loathe to use a 4 year old stock 3770K fan
 
@allquixotic not too late? ;p
 
ah, that's why
PCPartPicker doesn't have the 6xxx :(
 
Gotta order a new cooler from Amazon. And I need one that's very small
 
here's it on PC Part Picker pcpartpicker.com/p/9ZkRNG
 
7:33 AM
noise is irrelevant; noise canceling headphones
 
I'll add the specific server parts to the page
 
HALP someone link me a small but effective (sound be damned) heatsink+fan that'd work well with a 6700K :D
*goes and starts researching*
space is at a premium in the Micro ATX case
 
Bob
@allquixotic Aren't the thermal design specs the same as the Haswell one?
 
parts added
 
@Bob according to some quick googling, Prime95 can make the 6700K pull 116W.
but TDP is 91W
 
7:35 AM
@allquixotic hardware recs maybe?
 
wonder if this board is compatible with the 6xxx
 
Bob
@allquixotic Depends whether you want to accept throttling or not.
@Rikai No. You want a board that takes DDR4.
 
@Bob not under gaming workloads, no
 
ah
sec
let me update it
 
when running Prime95 I'm totally fine with throttling
 
Bob
7:36 AM
@allquixotic Even minor throttling?
@Rikai IIRC technically Skylake accepts some low-voltage DDR3 thing, but it's just not worth it.
 
@Bob define "minor" D:
 
Bob
@allquixotic Well, a cooling solution designed to dissipate constant 95 W would throttle if it can hit 115 peak.
 
aw man.
 
interesting side-note: I'm kind of accustomed to the wattage of newer kit staying the same or going down; it's weird to see Nvidia and Intel starting to push power consumption back up towards higher values again
 
pain in the side thing.
 
7:38 AM
+20W for Nvidia generation over generation, and +14W for Intel for Skylake vs. Ivy
@Bob I think it's safe to design the thermal solution for 95W because Prime95 is an extreme case, and even an efficiently-coded simulation game won't peg the CPU as hard as running a bunch of small FFTs in a tight loop
memory and disk accesses, let alone networking, will add eons of sleep to the CPU keeping it from being fully pegged all the time
 
Bob
Oh. Minor diversion: how busy will you be this weekend, @JourneymanGeek @allquixotic?
 
not busy - will be around for more Sins or whatever
 
@Rikai you do want a board that has DDR4
 
getting pretty tired right now though so I just need to order my CPU fan and get to sleep
 
yeah
looking right now
 
7:40 AM
@Bob I'm prolly not going to be playing this weekend
 
Bob
Ah. Ok...
I suppose we can finish off that other game
 
@Rikai you might as well get a newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147467 also if you get a board with DDR4 since it will probably have the support for one.
 
but why
for the server?
 
Bob
And avenge @JourneymanGeek's empire (and starbase) :P
 
or for the desktop server
 
7:43 AM
@Bob yes! :D
 
bases ;p
 
plus we won't have to start over from scratch if we just load up our existing game.
I think we're at the point where we're pretty firmly winning, especially after you broke through with that guy you were fighting up your end
beating the guy next to me was looking pretty easy relatively speaking
he doesn't have a respawning level 10 titan either :P
 
Bob
I haven't found the titan factory yet
So there'll be more...
Might send a couple scouts through and strike it fast?
 
@MichaelFrank No ;p
 
7:45 AM
Congrats @Burgi 1
What job btw ?
 
the 4 heat pipe version looks really small in the vertical dimension, and also not wide enough to interfere with the PCIe slot
looks like a buy
 
too bad no consumer boards have IPMI
 
bedtime - night
 
night night
 
Bob
'night
 
7:53 AM
I should play with Server 2016
wonder if I can get a license through my schools
 
@Burgi \0/
Also, told you about the suit ;p
 
@Rikai Looks like they may price it per core once realized so multiple core Severs are going to be expensive. I would see if you can get a license.
 
so my 4 core, 8 thread CPUs will need four licenses per server?
(not 4 separate licenses, but one for four cores)
 
Looks like one for all four cores.
Thats how it will be priced per core.
 
It would be priced for the number of cores you have?
 
7:57 AM
so what if I buy a license for one core
 
Currently MS typically differenciates by version tho
 
At least what several tech blogs are claiming.
 
does it lock out the other three?
 
Bob
If you're just testing there's eval licences
 
Im curious on that. Eval should be good though.
 
7:58 AM
hm
my two current licenses are for school-related testing purposes
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