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ROODAY

12:37 AM

anyone having trouble updating from windows 7 - 10?

Michael Frank

@ROODAY In here, or like worldwide?

ROODAY

ive tried twice now and it keeps automatically going to "restoring your previous version of windows"

@MichaelFrank I guess both

I have no idea why it's being so difficult. The first time I think it may have been my fault as the monitor went to sleep and I hit spacebar to wake it up. This time it went to a blank screen with just a cursor, so I tried following the thread on superuser that said try logging out with ctrl alt del and logging back in

that did nothing, so I tried rebooting, and then it went into this restore process again

ugh

That Brazilian Guy

@ROODAY I am having having video problems, but I didn't upgrade.

ROODAY

i think 10 is having a ton of video problems atm

at first when i was doing the iinstall my cursor only showed on my second monitor

so i unplugged and it showed up on my main one, but only the cursor nothing else

i eventually got into the accessibility settings and turned on narrator and hit magnifier by accident, so I saw a little corner of the install progress circle

so much for an easy install

That Brazilian Guy

I had to format my gf's 2-year old win7 laptop, it was unbearably sluggish

I opted for Win10 because it's the latest official release, so I thought it means it's a stable release

ROODAY

12:46 AM

lol @ stability

That Brazilian Guy

From what I read, I'm having second thougts. I Might downgrade (unupgrade? uodowngrade?) into Win8.1, or even 7 again.

ROODAY

i thought so too, but its been a POS

if i cant even upgrade without it automatically reverting to 7 its nowhere near stable enough for use

i have no idea how my friends managed to get this crap installed

That Brazilian Guy

> i have no idea how my friends managed to ~~get this crap installed~~ notice the upgrade icon on the taskbar

FTFY

ROODAY

no need to make assumptions man, i ~~updated~~ tried through that

stack exchange reputation for condescension hasn't changed i see

That Brazilian Guy

Not assumptions, it was based on my experience: none of my relatives, coworkers or acquaintances that I asked had noticed the icon on the taskbar.

ROODAY

12:50 AM

anecdotes aren't universal, they're quite the opposite

That Brazilian Guy

Sampling (statistics)

In statistics, quality assurance, and survey methodology, sampling is concerned with the selection of a subset of individuals from within a statistical population to estimate characteristics of the whole population. Each observation measures one or more properties (such as weight, location, color) of observable bodies distinguished as independent objects or individuals. In survey sampling, weights can be applied to the data to adjust for the sample design, particularly stratified sampling. Results from probability theory and statistical theory are employed to guide practice. In business and medical...

(I'm not suggesting I apply scientific methods of any sorts) :P

Just that in the universe of people I know, the majority didn't notice the icon

@ROODAY And, well, you yourself is a niche kind of user. You being here is a statement of that. Tech-savvy users are a minority of the population.

Michael Frank

@ROODAY If it makes you feel better, my system has been registered since pretty much day one and I still haven't had the update become available for it. shrug

Ramhound

@ROODAY - Sounds like you have an Intel iGPU. Intel really dropped the ball.

The way the upgrade system works is basically that Microsoft has a huge list of hardware specifications. They are upgrading those combinations that they know will work without a problem first.

This is all between the lines type information though.

Anonymous

1:13 AM

@ROODAY "the plural of anecdote isn't data"

DragonLord

1:31 AM

Was using my laptop battery as an auxiliary power source, using it to power a car USB charger.

The battery just shut down on me after dropping past 10 V (2.5 V a cell)

No, power isn't out, but at least this is known to work.

That Brazilian Guy

yesterday, by Pato Sáinz

and I just set up http://code.kryo.se/iodine/ in my server, IP-over-DNS

@PatoSáinz Can you expand on that?

It might interest me for... scientific reasons.

DragonLord

I've done this battery discharge process before and can say it works very efficiently

Time to charge it back up.

2.5V a cell isn't healthy for an Li-ion battery for more than brief periods of time, so I should put it back into my laptop shortly.

(2.5 V is the minimum allowed voltage for this type of cell under load.)

Anonymous

@ThatBrazilianGuy it's a way to channel data through DNS record requests (mostly TXT and NULL)

Anonymous

so it's kind of a pseudo-unencrypted-vpn over DNS

Anonymous

hahaha

Anonymous

1:42 AM

And since most firewalls don't block DNS requests to the outside, it's as easy as owning a domain and setting up iodine in a VPS

That Brazilian Guy

@PatoSáinz I was aware it existed, but didn't bother trying it. Does it work with those ISP-powered public APs with captive portals? (IIRC, those will block even DNS requests. I know for sure they redirect ANY address to their internal login page)

And is there an android client?

Anonymous

@ThatBrazilianGuy yes AndIodine for GUI and an official CLI binary (but then you need to set up the routers yourself, instead, AndIodine will use Android's VPN API automagically)

Anonymous

@ThatBrazilianGuy I think it'll work... if they don't block port 53/udp

That Brazilian Guy

@PatoSáinz So I assume it doesnt need root

Anonymous

it can bypass most captive portals

Anonymous

1:48 AM

@ThatBrazilianGuy nope iirc

That Brazilian Guy

bertieb

Perhaps more suited to a question on meta, but quick straw poll of RA: questions ending "thanks in advance" or similar: remove as cruft, or keep? I've been keeping when not too obtrusive, but have noticed my edits being re-edited (after approval due to <2k rep) to remove. Is there an official stance?

Yes they are crufty and not strictly necessary for QA format, but otoh a small amount of politeness goes a long way to countering GIFT

That Brazilian Guy

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Q: Should 'Hi', 'thanks,' taglines, and salutations be removed from posts?

I edit a lot of posts every day. I often run across posts with 'Hi' and 'Thanks' on the top and the bottom of the post respectively. I also run across things like: --User Should these items be removed during the editing of the post by an editor?

Not exactly for SU, so this site stance could differ

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This user: http://stackoverflow.com/users/750613/nik has been adding "Thanks" or "Thanks in Advance" to the bottom of a question as a suggested edit and titling the change as "improved formatting". I rejected a suggested edit and found another rejection: http://stackoverflow.com/suggested-ed...

discussion suggested-edits thanks

bertieb

@ThatBrazilianGuy Good link, I've seen either that or something similar in the past but a quick SU-specific search didn't find anything. I'm not sure I totally agree with the accepted answer's reasoning there but can see where that are coming from

I agree it's not necessary (and wouldn't add it to someone who hasn't included it already) but some way short of removing

That Brazilian Guy

One could argue that the upvotes counts as "thanks" :P

My stance is that a short "hi" or "thanks" doesn't detract from the question and add a human touch

But longer introductory / ending texts that add nothing to the question or help future visitors I tend to edit out

bertieb

2:02 AM

Heh- I see what you mean, upvotes don't quite carry the same mental meaning as upvoting :P

Argh, why does my vocabulary desert me at 3AM?! scurries off to english.SE

@ThatBrazilianGuy That makes sense to me (and is fairly in line with what I've been doing so far)

Paul

"Thanks" should be removed. Either you remove cruft or you don't, because ultimately this is about communicating appropriate style to others. "Oh, that question had a thanks so I'll make sure I really thank people that haven't answered yet"

Then you end up with yet another meta about whether thanking is appropriate or not and loads of examples in either case

I'd much prefer people put time and effort into the description of their problem than they do adding human touches

That Brazilian Guy

@Paul That's not bad per se (if the thanking is laconic).

bertieb

@Paul I agree that people in general should spend more time on useful and clear descriptions (witness the 'unanswered' queue!), but I reckon there's scope for asking a good question and being polite about it

Paul

@ThatBrazilianGuy The problem is that it becomes immediately unclear what level of laconicism is acceptable.

@bertieb I think politeness can be conveyed in taking the time to describe the problem. Saying "My windows is broke, please help me, thanks to all in advance" is polite and useless.

bertieb

@Paul I agree that example is indeed useless. But a well-described problem with a "thanks in advance" at the end is far from useless.

By stating thanks, it makes the implicit explicit

It can soften a demand for time to read, parse, understand, solve, and type out a solution into a request

That Brazilian Guy

2:13 AM

@Paul I see what you mean. Being polite is nice, but non-essential. Being detailed is non-optional.

bertieb

It's hardly necessary, true, demands and requests are in the eye of the beholder; but most folks that weren't raised in a barn are naturally inclined to be polite and thank people. Editing it out everywhere would seem to aim to train people against that natural inclination of politeness.

It's tricky to draw the line in any one place - too much gushing thanks here; too little, adding nothing there - but does that mean it's not acceptable anywhere?

(I think I might be over-thinking this whole thing; but if you can't overthink simple things at 3 in the morning, when can you?)

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