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12:34 AM
hm, that's wierd
backups are failing for one of my systems
 
 
1 hour later…
1:52 AM
Heh... news article came out about a Google self driving car and a Delphi self driving car "almost colliding".
Turns out they both just decided to change into the same lane at the same time... then both aborted like they should have.
 
 
2 hours later…
3:28 AM
Never let the facts get in the way of a good headline ;p
 
Bob
3:45 AM
@allquixotic Entry level Nikon is D3xxx
(I'm using a D3200. Very much entry-level.)
Gotta agree with @DragonLord, though. Unless you want to invest a fair bit of time and maybe money into it, don't bother with a DSLR.
They're not really designed for point-and-shoot.
 
yay. Got paid. Almost ready to pull the trigger on my new monitor :)
 
4:13 AM
yay, I'm thinking of buying a SSD from the internship money
or an external hard disk
 
@Bob I have an 18.2 Megapixel SONY DSC-HX200V. It's a cheap average man's camera. Takes shots in jpg. Lense can't be changed. Tons of useless features :D
@HackToHell Which is better really? Those tiny SD cards claiming 500GB storage or external HDDs?
 
4:30 AM
Depends on what you need ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek To store lots of nature documentaries (around 200GB worth)
 
4:44 AM
HDDs are what people use but I feel micro SSDs could be a heck of a lot more convenient. I just don't know if they're trustworthy in the long run.
 
Bob
5:04 AM
@Nick HDDs fail. SSDs fail. Everything fails.
If you care about your data, keep backup copies.
If you really care about your data, keep offsite backup copies.
Never ever think any given storage medium is more reliable than another.
Treat all of them as fragile and prone to failure.
@Nick Video storage typically goes on HDDs simply for the lower $/GB.
Videos don't need particularly high throughput, nor do they require a lot of random seeking.
@allquixotic How did you order your extra IPs on OVH?
 
5:36 AM
@Nick: SD cards SSDs for speed, external drives for convenience, internal drives for space. SD cards for ... donno phones, tablets and netbooks.
 
Bob
Oh, if you're talking SD cards, avoid them if you care about your data at all (use them for e.g. transferring data from cameras, but not for storage).
 
Multiple copies of everything for reliability
;p
...
 
6:06 AM
@Bob Excuse me, I was under the impression SD and SSD were the same solid state technology. My bad.
 
Bob
@Nick They both use NAND flash, but are typically different implementations.
A single NAND chip on even a 64 GB SSD can be bigger than an entire SD card.
Not to mention an SSD controller is far more complex.
Better wear levelling, more reserved blocks, etc., etc..
And an SSD has much higher thermal capacity and better heat dissipation - SD cards can't cope with heat as well as an SSD can.
A lot of SD cards are also very cheaply manufactured. Doesn't help longevity any.
 
@Bob I really wish these guys didn't have the limited shelf life they have.
 
Bob
@Nick ...shelf life? O_O
An SSD is not a carton of milk!
 
My gramps had a bunch of old audio cassettes. Like really expensive ones from back in the day.
 
@Nick: If it matters, its backed up, in multiple ;p
 
6:09 AM
None of them work now. So, yes, data storage devices to me are like a carton of milk except this milk can be preserved simply by changing containers once in a while.
 
Bob
@Nick Ah, that. I forgot the term for it, but I don't think it's shelf life :P
The old tapes were rather bad, though. Same with floppies.
HDDs tend to fare better. Better magnetic shielding, for example.
SSDs... enterprise SSDs don't last long. They're designed to be powered at all times. Consumer SSDs... I don't know if anyone's really tested one for an extended period of time, but they do last a while.
Eventually the charge in NAND flash will leak, I suppose. Or maybe not.
 
@Bob Whatever the terminology, limited lifespan and diseases due to old age. The same human probled copy pasted to technology. Data Death.
 
Bob
Optical disks... the organic dyes used in CD-Rs and DVD+/-Rs fades after a while.
But a pressed (or maybe etched) optical disk can conceivably last forever (or however long the plastic and metal lasts, which could be millennia).
@Nick Don't base your opinion off old audio cassettes. Completely different technology.
They're vaguely related to HDDs in that they're both magnetic, but apart from that they share little resemblence.
 
@JourneymanGeek Hardcopy backup sealed in those mint edition plastic covers. Best backup when available :D
 
Bob
The magnetic data-recording layer is a completely different design/composition. The read/write heads never touch it. The recording protocol is different too.
 
6:17 AM
Paper disintegrates over time.
 
Bob
@Nick Unless you have papyrus or something... or an etched stone... paper actually degrades quite quickly. As do most inks (dyes).
 
Bob
Again, pressed/etched optical disks might last the longest for high-density storage if you can actually read it in 500 years.
Low-density, go for etched stone sealed with multiple layers of lacquer.
 
@Bob Theoretically. How about practically. What if I want to send a message 10k years into the future. What should I use?
 
Bob
The Voyager Golden Records are phonograph records that were included aboard both Voyager spacecraft launched in 1977. They contain sounds and images selected to portray the diversity of life and culture on Earth, and are intended for any intelligent extraterrestrial life form, or for future humans, who may find them. The Voyager spacecraft is not heading toward any particular star, but Voyager 1 will be within 1.6 light-years of the star Gliese 445, currently in the constellation Camelopardalis, in about 40,000 years. As the probes are extremely small compared to the vastness of interstellar space...
 
6:19 AM
HUGE letters engraved deep in stone.
Even then, language changes.
 
Bob
Assuming they have access to the same language and reading machines (e.g. CD drives), physically deforming metal (as pressed CDs/DVDs do) is one of the best ways, and very high density too.
Given the right metal and no physical abrasion, they'll last basically forever.
Without that assumption? Well, keep your message short and do something big.
Who knows, maybe Stonehenge is a giant message.
Hieroglyphs in the pyramids have lasted millennia.
You'll probably get more information onto a single DVD than all the pyramids combined, though.
Low-density is easier to preserve and far easier to read.
 
@Bob No, stonehenge was a decoration to the superhenge.
 
Density cost and reliability, pick 2 ;p
 
 
3 hours later…
9:48 AM
Is there anyway to compress the results of a SQL query when querying a remote server ?
Using SQL server 2012 and SQL management studio
 
10:05 AM
@HackToHell Maybe this is helpful.
10
Q: Is data retrieved from SQL Server compressed for transmission?

Jon of All TradesIs data retrieved from Microsoft SQL Server compressed? If this is controlled by the connection string, is there any simple way to tell if any particular app is using it? I'm examining analysis tools, and the volume of data can take minutes to transmit over our network. I'm wondering whether I s...

Even if it isn't, it's the community where you should ask :D
 
Arrgh no straightforward solution
Pulling from a client, can't ask them nithing
 
10:30 AM
I seem to recall its optional
Default is yes.
 
@JourneymanGeek $3 x 10^{20}$ years! That's how long new Optical (nanostructured glass) data storage can last at room temperature. [src]
 
In theory. And you'd need to know how to read it.
 
3D convergant laser crystal storage? I think it doesnt last if you drop it :-)
There was someone working on that like 10 years ago, even if say the reader writer would cost $1500 if it was huge data capable and fully long term storage it would be worth it.
 
@JourneymanGeek You're right. It's hard to imagine aliens listening to Chuck Berry from those Voyager disks. Sure, they might even have put the listening device with it too but still, they'd have to figure out how to use it (For that, they'd need to figure out the instructions). I'm pretty sure the future us would be aliens to present us.
 
Its a phonograph tho
 
10:44 AM
Do aliens have ears ? I donno
 
precisely
 
@Psycogeek Your ears are as likely to have aliens.
@JourneymanGeek Imagine dropping the voyager's contents into a very undeveloped African camp site. It's very unlikely that those things will be used as intended.
 
Hand a LD to a teenager and... they wouldn't know what to do with it too
 
@Bob Well, how big exactly? I'm limited to only 28 gigaparsecs in this universe.
@Bob Well, the Egyptians were quite famous for their mummification. It's not that surprising that whatever dyes they used preserved their hieroglyphs to this day.
@Bob It took me a while to understand the bigger the better mindset in data storage. Now I get it.
@JourneymanGeek Silent Comic strips then. Mhh?
 
Bob
11:02 AM
@Nick Not dyes. Hieroglyphs are carved into stone.
 
@Bob Ah. Then it must have something to do with how they closed up their pyramids.
I think I should consult some comic book collectors to see how they seal up their precious material.
@JourneymanGeek Maybe if the paper is vacuum packaged or similar, it could last for a while.
@Psycogeek Apple would sure be interested in that technology. Don't you think? XD
 
 
1 hour later…
12:36 PM
wat
 
Bob
shrug they forgot to auto-uninstall :P
(it was probably intentional... probably)
 
I was instructed to download 8 and the 8.1 "update"
 
Bob
... ... ... wat
 
So I just installed 8 and am now trying to install the update
 
Bob
...who told you that
 
12:38 PM
The ArcServe Bootkit for Bare Metal Recovery Assistant
 
Bob
...:S
@JourneymanGeek Went to Dymocks today. Asked if they had Pilot converters. Was told they don't stock Pilot because their boss thinks it won't sell well :P
They have quite a range of other brands, though.
 
Oh, you want to recover one of your servers? No problem, just create a bootkit first. Oh, by the way, you'll need to download 5 gigs worth of AIKs first!
> No, this actually makes it easier! It just seems like it's totally retarded
Kinda weird. I went to the same MSDN download pages on 2 machines. On my workstation, I downloaded the downloader for the ADKs
On another, remote machine, it downloaded the ADK installer
Maybe the "update" will work on the remote machine
 
@JourneymanGeek It is compressed ayayz
19gb file was compressed to 4 gb
 
Bob
@OliverSalzburg "downloaded the downloader" just sounds wrong
4
 
12:53 PM
@Bob It is wrong >:(
You download an application that downloads the installer for the ADK. Then you can run that installer and select which components to install
The other installer, on the remote machine, let me select the components first, then just downloaded and installed those
I'm not even going to try to understand it
Well, now the 8.1 is installed. yay
 
1:42 PM
Ugh
 
@OliverSalzburg Damn this dogma. What happened to the user-friendly experience.
 
@Nick It is generally assumed in this chat room, that shit like that only keeps happening to me
 
@OliverSalzburg Shit happens to a lot of people. Not everyone openly speaks of it. (what a stinky world it would be if everyone did)
 
So, I want to bare-metal recover a physical machine that has 2TB of storage. I can't restore it as a VM, because ArcServe UDP can only do that for backups of virtual machines...
And I can't bare-metal recover it to this host I have, because it doesn't have 2 TB storage available
 
Point is, bigshots get away with slipping in cheap/idiotic items because users don't take the the time to document and report the idiocy. (Demand the airfreshners! Demand them now!)
 
1:55 PM
Even though only like 8% of that storage was used
 
2:09 PM
@OliverSalzburg Sounds like you have your work cut out for you.
 
Bob
@allquixotic ...half the OVH interface is french :P
 
@OliverSalzburg That doesn't matter. If buying the required space is possible, go for that.
 
@Bob under IPs, you have to click one of the buttons in the topright corner
 
Bob
@allquixotic Yea, done now.
Gave me an error the first time
> This action requires verification or cannot currently be validated. Please contact your local support team.
Did you get that?
 
lol
its the same as with online
 
Bob
2:18 PM
Any opinions?
(First will be 32 GB, second will be 16 GB. First costs more but ignore that for now. Will be used for UEFI boot partition, so mostly untouched.)
 
@Bob I think so. I don't remember how it was fixed. I don't think you can do it while a USB stick is on order
I put in a ticket about it tho and it ended up being resolved
 
Bob
@allquixotic Lodged support ticket with justification.
 
oh, right, you have to give a "justification" for why you need IPs
 
Bob
I don't know if that was actually necessary, but didn't hurt.
Just from services I'm already running, if I remove the NAT (and I really want to) that's something like 10. Plus the stuff I'm planning pushes it to 16+
 
yeah, it's required now with RIPE
but then again, RIPE has about a couple thousand IPs left :P
 
Bob
2:23 PM
@allquixotic There's probably thousands sitting unused from the original A/B-class allocations...
Also, I really do need to bring down a couple of VPSes I still have. That'll end up freeing about half the IPs I just ordered :P
(Granted, to other companies that'll hold onto them...)
 
@Bob my company has an /8 :P
chances that they use it all? very low.
 
@Bob: We need to all move to ipv6 ;p
 
Bob
@allquixotic I'd guess they use something like a /16, max.
Restricting allocations is all well and good, but if it comes to reclaiming allocated (and unused) IPs they'd get far more from the big companies (and universities).
 
Some large /8 blocks of IPv4 addresses, the former Class A network blocks, are assigned in whole to single organizations or related groups of organizations, either by the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), through the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA), or a regional Internet registry. Each /8 block contains 16,777,216 addresses. As IPv4 address exhaustion has advanced to its final stages, some organizations, such as Stanford University, formerly using 36.0.0.0/8, have returned their allocated blocks to assist in the delay of the exhaustion date. == List of... ==
> 20.0.0.0/8
that's "us" :|
I can see IBM and HP both using a lot of 9-net and 15-net respectively
4-net is probably pretty full with L3
 
Bob
2:31 PM
@allquixotic What a nice generic name.
 
Halliburton? 34-net? wtf? an oil company doesn't need that many IPs
> Merck has entered into a private sale with Amazon.com for some of their IP address space.[2] They unnumbered 48 /16s as of 01/2012, an additional 16 /16s as of 05/2013, and an additional 16 /16s as of 11/2013 leaving them with about 70% of their original /8.
 
Bob
Ok, if they gave every employee their own /32, then they'd use a bit over one /16. Maybe two. Certainly not 256 of them.
 
how long until we sell off some /16s to Amazon? :P
I bet they're willing to pay thousands per IP
consider how much money an IP can make them in a year
on an m3.medium it's ridiculous
 
Bob
@allquixotic Private sale of IPs leaves a bad taste.
 
2:33 PM
@Bob whyso?
you know what's especially scary? the number of /8s that the DoD owns
why does it need that many? don't they know about NAT?
 
I think they got em early
and well, no one really wants to get rid of em
 
Bob
ouch
spent... ~$250 over the last day on the new server
 
I really don't understand range blocks. What is this /8 and /16 of IP that you speak of.
 
Bob
Classless Inter-Domain Routing (CIDR, pronunciation: /ˈsaɪ.dr/ or /ˈsi.dr/) is a method for allocating IP addresses and routing Internet Protocol packets. The Internet Engineering Task Force introduced CIDR in 1993 to replace the previous addressing architecture of classful network design in the Internet. Its goal was to slow the growth of routing tables on routers across the Internet, and to help slow the rapid exhaustion of IPv4 addresses. IP addresses are described as consisting of two groups of bits in the address: the most significant bits are the network address (or network prefix or network...
 
2:51 PM
@Bob CIDR seems interesting :D Yay, I'm learning.
Subnetting. Another rabbit hole for me to jump into.
** Nick jumps in **
 
My hardware fund's hit a grand
can decide on his new monitor whenever ;p
 
Bob
3:06 PM
@allquixotic Ordered the flash drive. I hope it works.
 
3:24 PM
Blah Azure's network speed sucks
And if you get a A series vm you get a goddamn Operton
getting just 1.7 MBps between two machines in the same data centre
 
@HackToHell blame Hyper-V, aka the most inefficient VM platform in the world
 
It's that bad with networking ?
 
Bob
@allquixotic It's actually not that bad. Depending on what you're doing and what OSes you're running.
 
Doesn't seem to be that bad in benchmarks
 
well maybe you're hitting some saturation condition, but in my experience it was pretty terrible
Amazon chose Xen for one reason only: because it has the lowest overhead of any (full hypervised) alternative. They did a ridiculous amount of research to reach that conclusion. It was a momentous decision that would impact their infrastructure and offerings for years. Of course they would have looked at Hyper-V very, very closely.
Highest density per server = either containers (if you can manage them and make it secure enough), or Xen (if you can't)
 
3:34 PM
Well Hyper-V was given a overhaul with the release of Windows 8, and Amazon probably didn't look into it afterwards
Cloning a part of a 230GB sql server db
fun fun
 
Bob
Now waiting for OVH to give me the IPs and put the flash drive in :P
 
the funny part is that Citrix's benchmarks show XenServer is the fastest; Microsoft's benchmarks show Hyper-V is fastest; Red Hat's benchmarks show RHEV (KVM) is fastest; and VMware's benchmarks show ESXi is fastest.
 
Bob
I'll probably have to do the actual setup tomorrow.
Current goal: get deb on ZFS installed and running
 
@allquixotic lol what
 
I'd consider any benchmark in this space that was published by any of the vendors (or any company that is in any way ancilliarily related to the vendor) to be extremely suspect
 
Bob
3:41 PM
Next goal: get lxd up and running
@allquixotic It really depends on the workload.
 
lxd, like in lxc ?
 
@HackToHell lxc is not the same as lxd.
 
Bob
I'd expect all major vendors to be fairly close with raw CPU performance without contention.
Once you introduce funny things like OSes, drivers, paravirt, network access, contention, disk access, etc....
Yea.
I would not be surprised at all (and IIRC this was shown to be the case at some point a few years ago) if Hyper-V was far faster with a full Windows stack.
 
lxc is a loose set of tools built up around a bunch of mostly-unrelated Linux kernel features that each assist in isolating various parts of the system into namespaces, cgroups, etc
lxd takes that set of tools and makes it much tighter, to create properly isolated guests with (hopefully) no security gaps allowing guests to get host access
you can do what lxd does without lxd, and without the lxc userspace tools, even, but it's ridiculously complex
the default mode of operation for raw lxc (with or without the lxc userspace tools) is for there to be plenty of ways for partially isolated processes to run some command and get access to the host in some way, whether it be networking, address spaces, process lists, user lists, filesystem, permissions, etc
the default mode of operation for lxd, out of the box, is that guests are isolated the same way OpenVZ guests, VMware guests, etc. are
 
Ahh okay, so lxd is secure lxc
Will that mean it's going to loose performance cause it's going to gain a overhead for isolating the vms.
> All of this work is aimed at giving you the full experience of virtual machines, the full security of a hypervisor, but much, much faster. Without all that virtualization overhead, you get the full underlying performance of your host environment. On bare metal, these containers are just as fast as the native OS on bare metal. In the cloud, you are getting subdivided machines without getting sub-par performance.
 
3:54 PM
@HackToHell No. It's still not a hypervisor. The overhead of isolating containers is still way lower than the overhead of running a kernel on top of another kernel, and virtual hardware on top of physical hardware.
Past benchmarks of OpenVZ have observed overhead on the order of 0.1% - 1% for kernel-heavy code, and 0.0% overhead for code that runs entirely in userspace (for example, just a lot of maths running on the CPU).
Worst case overhead for the best hypervisors is much higher, and best case overhead is worse than 0%.
Also, with hypervised guests, it's mandatory that you run a filesystem on top of another filesystem. So you have nested filesystems. That necessarily adds significant I/O overhead. It gets pretty ridiculous if you have two complex filesystems nested, like ntfs on ntfs, or btrfs on btrfs.
With containers, you can (and many do) use just one filesystem, and the kernel's isolation features to completely hide any filesystem access to paths that aren't assigned to the guest (and those appear starting at the root, /).
 
Greetings
Sorry to interrupt your chat
I just need to ask something really quick
Is it on-topic to ask which one of 2 parts to choose for my computer?
 
Bob
@allquixotic Filesystem isolation is relatively easy (heck, chroot or systemd-nspawn...). It's when you get into syscalls, network access, etc., that things get iffy.
@IsmaelMiguel Not on main. You can ask it in here.
 
@Bob Well, are you familiarized with AMD GPUs?
 
Bob
On main any hardware purchase questions and answers must necessarily be very generic to be allowed. Otherwise it tends to become useless in a few months.
@IsmaelMiguel I think @allquixotic is. But you can just go ahead and ask and anyone who sees it will answer.
 
Sadly, this one is VERY specific
 
4:05 PM
@IsmaelMiguel worst case, we can use our google-fu
don't ask to ask; just ask -- if nobody knows, oh well... if we do know, or know how to find out, then we can help
if you talk about asking it just wastes everyones' time
 
@allquixotic I just wanted to know if it was on-topic or not
 
for this chat? definitely yes! but don't ask it on the main SuperUser site
 
If not, I would look an alternative root
Now, to the question:
(googling a bit, sorry)
I have an Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 1600SP, from 2012
But it is borrowed, so, I need a decent GPU
Since my budget is REALLY short, I was looking into an R7 instead of an R9.
 
borrowed? you're planning to give it back to someone?
 
And I found an ASUS Radeon R7 260X
Yeah, and get a new one for me
 
4:10 PM
are you looking to maintain the same level of performance? if so, a current-generation R7 could definitely be the answer... but if you want more performance than the 6870, you may have to look at an R9
 
I can't afford an R9
I just want a cheap replacement to play TERA
But, seriously, I think the benchmarks aren't accurate
 
does the 6870 play TERA just fine?
 
Yeah, 0-300 fps
With all settings on maximum
 
No joke
 
4:12 PM
looks like the R7 260X is an upgrade
 
Still, the RAM bus is only 128-bits
While the other is 256-bits
Yes, the GPU has a worst clock
 
that doesn't mean very much in practice
 
Still, it looks a bit skewed
I have a Sapphire HD 5770 SuperOverclocked (900Mhz) which has a worst performance than that 6870
It is clocked at 900MHz
(great, repeating myself)
 
the R7 360 is retailing for $109 instead of the $139 of the R7 260X, and it's basically the same chip - same number of transistors, etc, just rebranded to be more competitive
 
I live in Europe, Portugal
 
4:15 PM
still, the prices are lower
 
$109 means an online purchase
Without credit card
 
Bob
@IsmaelMiguel Don't worry about clock speeds in isolation.
 
It's impossible
 
Bob
The clock speeds only really make sense when you take into account the architecture.
 
@Bob I'm worried about the clock speed and the bus width
 
Bob
4:16 PM
@IsmaelMiguel The only numbers you should care about are the benchmarks. And even then take them with a grain of salt - they won't accurately represent all games.
 
@IsmaelMiguel they're not comparable -- the 6870 is from the previous generation architecture, which is less efficient core per core and clock per clock than GCN
 
The benchmarks tell that R7 is better
 
the HD7000 series ushered in a completely new microarchitecture that is a significant departure from what went before, so the raw numbers of the specs are not comparable at all
@IsmaelMiguel and it is
you're upgrading from VLIW5 (the last pre-GCN architecture) to GCN 1.1
it's like going from a Pentium 4 to a Core i7
 
But, the specifications say that the 6870 is better
 
Bob
@IsmaelMiguel Have you considered purchasing an older card second-hand? It might be cheaper.
 
4:18 PM
2,880 GFLOPS vs 2,129 GFLOPS
134.4 GB/s vs 104 GB/s bandwidth
@Bob Yes, but I need to know if the r7 is REALLY better
 
@IsmaelMiguel it may be capable of that in raw compute power, but bottlenecks in the architecture, scheduler, drivers, etc. are going to make it a slower card than a GCN 1.1 part.
 
@allquixotic Bottleneck won't be missing on my pc
 
Bob
@IsmaelMiguel Keep in mind that games rarely use the full FLOPS power of a GPU.
 
@IsmaelMiguel It has nothing to do with your PC. I'm talking about bottlenecks within the design of the card itself.
 
I have a code2quad q6600@2.44GHz +15% overclock
 
Bob
4:19 PM
It'll matter more for certain heavily-optimised scientific applications, really.
Though, I'm admittedly unfamiliar with TERA.
 
eww, so you're using DDR2, pre-QPI, almost definitely not PCIe 3.0...
yeah, that rig is sorely in need of an upgrade, but you definitely won't see any graphics performance decrease by upping to an R7 260X.
 
@allquixotic ah yes, the I/O gains will be massice
 
you won't even be taking advantage of the full performance of the R7 260X (or any newer card, for that matter) because your motherboard doesn't support PCIe 3.0, and games benefit hugely from modern advances in IPC and single-thread performance that modern CPUs provide, and DDR3 memory bandwidth...
your bottleneck could be anywhere, it might not matter how slow the GPU is if your game is pegging on memory bandwidth or something
 
Bob
@IsmaelMiguel If you don't mind second-hand, you could even get a copy of your current card for probably under 75 USD shipped to Portugal: ebay.com/itm/Radeon-HD-6870-/… ebay.com/itm/…
 
You'll be fine with a current-gen, cheap card running an MMO from 2011. It's an early UE3 title. If you get any frame drops, I'd be inclined to blame it on I/O, memory bandwidth, or CPU perf.
MMOs tend to be lower-spec anyway, it's not like we're talking about a AAA 3d shooter like Mass Effect.
Even that would run fine on a 260X.
 
Bob
4:27 PM
I'll just throw this into the mix: ebay.com/itm/…
(I'm currently using a 560. Works well for every game I've thrown at it, though admittedly haven't tried ultra settings. That Ti benchmarks higher than the R7 by about 15%)
 
@Bob I can't buy from ebay
 
Bob
@IsmaelMiguel Huh? Any reason not?
 
@allquixotic Actually, I'm using DDR3, but the CPU limits the RAM to 1066MHz
 
Bob
You could look at more local sites, I suppose. Most countries have some kind of trading site (craigslist, gumtree, etc.)
 
@Bob I don't have credit card, paypal account and ebay account, and don't have someone who can buy for me
 
Bob
4:29 PM
if you really want cheap and don't mind second-hand or older-gen, that's probably your best bet
 
I don't mind older cards (I would be a happy man with an HD6990)
 
Bob
@IsmaelMiguel I think Paypal counts as a bank in the EU..? Along with all the regulations. And you can use your bank account (linked to PP) to pay.
 
I don't have any information about that.
 
Bob
Anyway, just throwing that out as an option.
Up to you if you want to try or not.
 
I know, and it is a good one
But, I can buy the r7 for 113€
Brand-new
Directly from the supplier
 
Bob
4:32 PM
Mhm. I can't say that the R7 is definitely better than what you're using, but I can say it most likely is, and really can't be much worse (if it's even worse at all, probably not).
If that's something you can easily acquire locally, and the price is acceptable, there's no reason to not go for it.
 
Considering the hardware I have, do you recommend anything else? (Besides getting an I7)?
 
Bob
Don't spend too much time on what-ifs. If it works well enough, and you're happy with it, leave it there :)
 
An NVIDIA card or something?
 
Bob
@IsmaelMiguel That's up to you, but generally AMD is better (performance per price) when on a budget.
@IsmaelMiguel Unfortunately, any real upgrade would be pretty much an entirely new machine.
 
Not really
I can still use the RAM, Sound Card and the SSD and HDD
 
Bob
4:35 PM
If you're looking for small boosts, you might get away with a bit more RAM or an SSD here or there. But anything else would be a new CPU in a new socket on a new motherboard.
 
Not to mention the case
I already have an SSD
Not the best one, but pretty fast
Kingston v300
 
Bob
> Please note that our technical teams will intervene on your server <redacted> in 15 minutes in order to carry out the following intervention:

USB key add
@allquixotic ^
Fingers crossed :)
 
heh i got the same email
then 27h of silence
 
Bob
:(
Well... I'm waiting. They were due to start ~5 mins ago.
 
4:50 PM
Q: How many French-Canadians does it take to put a USB stick in a USB slot?
A: 6. One to plug it in and find it's broken, one to manage that guy, one to be the tech support guy who answers complaints/tickets from the customer, one to manage that guy, one to get fired after he emails the vendor of their portal software with the problem they're having, and one who manages that guy.
 
Bob
lol
 
I wonder if it's much of a culture shock for French people to come to French Canada and find their native tongue and cuisine bastardized from centuries of living abroad
(I can't tell the difference myself, but native French speakers say Canadian French is very different)
there is a significant difference between Mexican Spanish and Spain-Spanish and I can tell the difference there
remember, OVH originated in France, and came to Beauharnois, Canada later
I wish I could use my dedi for proxying/VPNing from work, but in order to keep it under the radar, I have to use a generic looking domain name (whatever the default AWS domains reverse DNS to), and an IP within the AWS cloud, which they'd never block because they dunno if some reputable company is hosting their stuff on EC2 or whatever
so I pay for a Spot Instance on EC2 in Virginia - lower latency and very cheap per month
it's been up for months; that's how stable the prices are :P
 
I remember hearing that as well
 
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