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Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
12:10 AM
@MichaelFrank: beats me. There's an ad for it in the usally shitty computer suppliment ;p
and eh, I'm half jokingly wondering if there's a market for container VMs/VPSes in odder architectures.
 
Bob
Bob
12:39 AM
@JourneymanGeek Thinking of getting into the hosting business? :P
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Bob: actually, if I could make money off it... it would be a dream job
.... holy cow... 20 upvotes for the windows 98 browser question so far
@Bob: I have no clue about pricing (but I'm convinced a lot of hosts don't either) and many of the business aspects of things.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
1:10 AM
 
Michael Frank
Michael Frank
@JourneymanGeek I was just about to paste that here!
I lost it at 'cregslist'
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
fixed it though
I wonder if we need a generic recovery question.
 
Michael Frank
Michael Frank
@JourneymanGeek It would be very long.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Thats the whole point ;p
I'm entirely aware of that - its a major part of my training.
 
Michael Frank
Michael Frank
1:27 AM
0
Q: Converting excel cells in individual slides in powerpoint

jake bernsteinI have one long column of info (see below) and need to take every two lines (the person's response and their name) and easily make them into individual powerpoint slides?!?!?! ASAP?!?! Please help Relationships matter means everything -anonymous

microsoft-excel microsoft-powerpoint cells
wut?
 
Bob
Bob
...why do I torture myself with MS Answers?
answers.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/forum/ie8-windows_other/… <== yet another fucking useless "answer" from a dumbass "MVP" who apparently can't read/posts from a script
a bot can do better
 
Michael Frank
Michael Frank
@Bob Yea... that's a really useless answer.
 
 
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Michael Frank
Michael Frank
3:16 AM
0
Q: How to fix Google contacts CSV file?

LifeH2OI have over 1000 Google contacts and many have multiple contacts and phone numbers. I exported the contacts in both Google and Outlook format. Either I open the CSV in Excel or SubmlimeText, many of the contacts are split into multiple rows. The CSV export is a mess. How to fix that? Example ...

csv export contacts google-contacts gmail-contacts
 
Michael Frank
Michael Frank
3:39 AM
I like this question but hardware request :(
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Q: Control Windows "Volume Mixer" with hardware faders/sliders

KyleImagine you're streaming music through the internet, playing a steam game, and in a voice chat with your group of friends. As you can imagine, there is going to be a lot of audio output and balancing everything takes quite a bit of time and tweaking. Windows has the "Volume Mixer" which needs to ...

windows audio mixer
 
 
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Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
6:23 AM
Considering you can do this with a keyboard...
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
7:08 AM
-1
Q: looking for batch scripts tutorials

Victor Smti'm just starting to learn batch scripts, could you recommend any up to date tutorial? All I could find were 6 years old tutorials and I believe some things have changed. Thanks!

windows-7 windows batch script
I was tempted to comment "Batch... batch never changes...."
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
7:24 AM
@JourneymanGeek Maybe you could have tricked him into thinking the correct term is "badge"
That would have been nice
 
Bob
Bob
8:04 AM
@OliverSalzburg badge
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
8:26 AM
 
Bob
Bob
8:54 AM
https links now also get converted. — Oded ♦ 16 mins ago
lol.
 
Michael Frank
Michael Frank
9:34 AM
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ just had the most epic comeback in DG. We had only destroyed two of their towers, whereas they had all our towers and ally cores down. We manage to wipe them out at our guardian, rush to their end kill their towers, ally cores, and guardian all before they respawn.
 
Oliver Salzburg
Oliver Salzburg
He should just get a vanity domain and forward all requests to Amazon. Something catchy like ihatestackexcha.ng
 
Michael Frank
Michael Frank
@JourneymanGeek Yeah, you can but how much cooler would it be if you had a nice fader setup going?
@OliverSalzburg huh... wha?
 
 
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Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
11:46 AM
@MichaelFrank much.
Though I am sure most faders are purely analog
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
Hello, now, I am unsure whether this is the right place to ask this. It is to do with installing a specific software. github.com/SupremoRTD/LoyaltyBot
How would I go about installing this on my VPS? I have no idea where to start.
I couldn't find any installation instructions, maybe someone could figure it out and get back to me? Thanks :)
(Side note: I do not use github all that often, so I may of missed something)
 
Bob
Bob
12:32 PM
@JordanRichards First, install NodeJS either from a package repo or by compiling from source.
Then install git
then git clone the repo
then write your bot script, and run it (node script.js or nodejs script.js - the binary can vary depending on your OS)
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
oh
So it's not run from a .php or .html page
I run it from a screen in ssh?
Phew.
Thanks for the help, I'll get to work!
Oh one more thing, I am running CentOS 5 and I want to install something like phpmyadmin or something, but I have no idea where to start.
(@Bob)
 
terdon
terdon
1:05 PM
@JordanRichards yum install phpmyadmin ?
I don't know if CentOS has it in its repos though.
Alternatively, download it from their website and install manually.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
ugh. noooo
don't use phpmyadmin
also if you're sticking with centos, get the epel repos
@JordanRichards: node.js is basically a server that lets you code stuff in js and you run it on it.
you wouldn't need much else
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
rpmlib(FileDigests) <= 4.6.0-1 is needed by epel-release-6-8.noarch
rpmlib(PayloadIsXz) <= 5.2-1 is needed by epel-release-6-8.noarch
How can I install these dependencies?
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
1:25 PM
erf
Thats odd
wait.
I THINK you are attempting to install a centos 6 version of epel
 
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ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
heya guys
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
lo
@JordanRichards: I hate to be a downer, but I suspect you might want to switch your VPS to ubuntu
 
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ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
may not be around as much the next few days; things will heat up at work... a lot. Friday is pretty much a no-show for me except in the evening U.S. time, if I have enough stamina to log in at home and don't feel like playing any games
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
preferably an LTS
simply cause its easier for us to help you
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: aww
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
today should be about normal, but tomorrow is spotty and Friday is definitely a no-go
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
1:30 PM
and lol. I won't be around much on friday either. Need to drop by the unit in the morning
(thankfully I'm not in the dog unit, they're next door)
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
@MichaelFrank LOL. the walk-off reversal! :D
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Of course, their GSDs are sissies. Afraid of the dark.
 
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ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
@JourneymanGeek NO :/
don't install Ubuntu on a server D:
hell, don't even install it on a desktop!
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: meh. He's a developer, not a sysadmin
and ubuntu does have more up to date, and more packages
at the cost of occationally breaking shit
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
@JordanRichards why are you installing EPEL 6 on CentOS 5? That's just wrong-minded. That's like trying to put an engine from a 2010 car into a Ford Model T from 1925.
that's your problem. if you're using CentOS 5, use EPEL 5!
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
1:34 PM
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: I mentioned that ;p
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
the "PayloadIsXz" should've been your tip-off, honestly: XZ support in RPM didn't exist until CentOS 6
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: I wouldn't have caught that ;p
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
@Mehrdad Sure: Just write a "compression" algorithm that always returns the original input. There; done. :P ... Aside from that, no -- any compression algorithm that's an algorithm at all is going to have some metadata, even if it's just one bit at the start of the file that indicates whether or not the file is compressed (0 == uncompressed, 1 == compressed). If you're going to modify the contents of the file AT ALL, you need some metadata. And if you're modifying the contents, you're going to make some inputs larger. — ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ 5 mins ago
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
1:52 PM
o0
Apparently my windows 98 'modern' browser question hit 2500 views.
whut?
 
Bob
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ :(
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
So I'm in a weird situation. The gratr gem for Ruby (even a very heavily hacked version of it that I grabbed from github, after pulling several separate forks' patchsets into one unified fork) has major problems running on Ruby 1.9.3. It appears to have been originally written for Ruby 1.8.x at the latest. There's a "Ruby 1.9" port, but 1.9.3 seems to have broken even more stuff.
The actual conceptual representation of the data I'm working with is a polytree, which is a special case of an oriented digraph, but more general than an n-ary "traditional" tree, because each node can have more than one parent.
I can't find any polytree implementations, and I can't get gratr's digraph working without throwing a bazillion exceptions and flipping the fuck out because it's ancient code trying to run on Ruby 1.9.3, which is semi-modern.
What I'm now trying to do is use RubyTree gem, which actually works, to shoehorn the polytree data into an n-ary tree representation. It's fucking weird, because there's only one parent per node, but no exception is thrown if you make a node the child of multiple nodes.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
o0
 
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ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
So if I look at the .parent property of a node, or call any methods that depend on it, things get fucked up -- but if I traverse the tree from the top down by getting the children of each node, it works.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
silly question
why not use ruby 1.8?
 
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ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
2:06 PM
And fortunately it doesn't make a copy of the nodes when you make it a child, so I tested (by using object_id to verify the actual memory address) adding one node object to the children collection of multiple nodes, and everybody was happy, and the pointers matched up, and I could mutate the child and its changes would be reflected by going through the separate parent nodes' children.
@JourneymanGeek Because my development environment is pretty much fixed at Ruby 1.9.3, because I'm tacking on this script to an already-deployed environment that was set up for a different project. (At work)
Also, there are plenty of gems that I use that probably no longer support Ruby 1.8.x.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
and I'm tired as hell, so I may be wrong, but thats the sort of thing that may be on topic for sr.se.
 
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ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
Hmm. Idea: I could store within each node's contents, a list of parents, and manually keep track of that list each time I add/remove nodes from the tree...
 
Bob
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ or DIY the whole tree impl? :P
 
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ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
Then I'd just have to write a custom implementation of level (returns an integer representing how deep the node is in the tree) that calls the original level with each parent in the parents collection, and returns the largest value...
@Bob ugh :P
 
Bob
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ It's not that hard... depending on what you need from your tree
 
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ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
2:11 PM
but it's a polytree! I've implemented binary trees by hand, and I could probably do an n-ary tree, but a polytree would be quite a bitch to write a general-purpose algorithm for.
 
Bob
Bob
github.com/evankline/RubyTrees ? really basic one that probably doesn't do what you want
 
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ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
also, I'm pretty sure I would need multiple root nodes, unless I want to hack around that by having one "phantom" root that isn't an actual node, and the next level down is the actual root nodes.
@Bob that doesn't seem to be an actual polytree, because again, each node has one parent.
Polytree
In mathematics, and more specifically in graph theory, a polytree (also known as oriented tree or singly connected network) is a directed acyclic graph whose underlying undirected graph is a tree. In other words, if we replace its arcs with edges, we obtain an undirected graph that is both connected and acyclic. A polytree is an example of oriented graph. The term polytree was coined in 1987 by Rebane and Pearl. == Related structures == Every directed tree (a directed acyclic graph in which there exists a single source node that has a unique path to every other node) is a polytree, but not every...
that is exactly how my data looks
except there is a possibility that a node from a higher level could have an arc to a node from a lower level
in that visual example from wikipedia, I could foresee a situation where node A could have an arc to, say, node F.
it makes the concept of "level" fairly difficult: if you take A as the parent of F, its level is 1 (if 0 is the top); if you take D as the parent of F, its level is 2!
but what I need to do is traverse the tree from the "bottom up": I need to navigate the nodes which are leaves, and then the next step up of dependencies, etc
in that example, I would need to visit the tree in this order: I, H, G, G, E, D, C, B, A (the order of visiting nodes on the same "level" in that example is not important, but it could be if a node has ambiguous level).
if a node has ambiguous level, I would want to take the maximum possible level obtained by calculating the level with respect to each parent... that way, I could traverse the tree by getting all the nodes at each "maxlevel" (where maxlevel returns the highest possible value of the traditional tree level by iterating through each parent of the node and recursively calling maxlevel) and visiting them in order of descending level.
huh. sounds like I just rubber ducked my way into a solution
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
lol
quaoof
 
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ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
use RubyTree (not RubyTree**s**) with the n-ary tree algorithm, but implement a maxlevel algorithm for it, and keep track of the parents in the contents.
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
2:47 PM
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Thanks, yeah, I found a version 5 for epel, it worked! :)
 
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ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
3:01 PM
> it worked!
*gives himself +25 chat rep*
Lol
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
crumbs
Trying to install node.js, but getting this error when doing ./config
File "./configure", line 453
o['default_configuration'] = 'Debug' if options.debug else 'Release'
 
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ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
@JordanRichards that's not an error
what's the real error?
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
My bad, sorry.
I have no idea what is causing this error.
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
you're probably running configure with dash
oh wait, CentOS
hmm...
what is the first line of configure?
that looks like Ruby o_o
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
uh
let me try to find it
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
3:08 PM
"find" it? you can't use a text editor? try less
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
oh
#!/usr/bin/env python
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
lol
ok, so it's python that LOOKS like Ruby
well, that may explain it
python --version
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
Unknown option: --
Unknown option: -e
Unknown option: -r
Unknown option: -s
Unknown option: -o
Unknown option: -n
Unknown option: --
usage: python [option] ... [-c cmd | -m mod | file | -] [arg] ...
Try `python -h' for more information.
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
... i just need to know what version your python executable is... so, try python -h like it says
 
That Brazilian Guy
That Brazilian Guy
O_o
> bash-4.2$ python --version
Python 2.7.5
 
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ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
3:11 PM
@ThatBrazilianGuy rofl
 
That Brazilian Guy
That Brazilian Guy
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ ...a bit of an extreme reaction
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
@ThatBrazilianGuy I'm laughing at "Unknown option: -e, -r, etc" from above
especially because it worked for you
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
That's what I recieved.
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
@JordanRichards did you try python -h like I asked?
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
yes
 
That Brazilian Guy
That Brazilian Guy
3:12 PM
@JordanRichards because you forgot an "i"
 
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ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
OH
thanks Ruda!
yeah. try python --version and spell version correctly
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
It still says unknown option. Sorry about the spelling btw.
Really strange.
ooh
python -V
Python 2.4.3
 
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ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
wow, that's an ancient version of python
that also explains why the configure script doesn't work for you
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
oh... of course!
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
you need at least python 2.6 for that configure script
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
3:15 PM
I tried to install 2.7 using wget etc
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ideal would be python 2.7.x
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
but for some reason, it didn't replace 2.4
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
@JordanRichards ...using wget? how does wget install python?
what exactly were you wgeting?
 
That Brazilian Guy
That Brazilian Guy
@JordanRichards try sudo yum install python
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
Package python-2.4.3-56.el5.i386 already installed and latest version
 
That Brazilian Guy
That Brazilian Guy
3:16 PM
What CentOS version are you using?
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
CentOS 5
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
oh hey!
now that you have EPEL, you can install the python26 package
then you just have to symlink /usr/bin/python26 to /usr/bin/python, as root
then python -V should tell you python 2.6.something
 
That Brazilian Guy
That Brazilian Guy
I suppose you could temporarily enable a new repo, but then it could try to update other packages that maybe you don't want updated.
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
@ThatBrazilianGuy shh, don't try to help, noob :P (j/k)
he already has EPEL and EPEL already has python 2.6, which should suffice
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
I installed 2.7 but forgot to symlink, I think
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
3:18 PM
just have to tell it to use the right python executable now
@JordanRichards you probably didn't pass --prefix=/usr, so it's probably installed in /usr/local
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
I used wget to download the tgz, then used ./config and make
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
although if it is installed in the correct path and there's a /usr/bin/python27 executable, you could simply edit the configure script :P
#!/usr/bin/env python27 would do it, if you actually have python27 installed as such -- but again, I have no idea, you need to actually understand WHAT you have installed, and WHERE
without understanding that I can't help you
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
I understand, been on putty all day and my brain is a mess. I'll take a look now
Okay, so in usr/bin there;s a python2.6 file with the type "FILE"
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
so you don't have a python2.7 or python27 of any sort? try which python27, and which python2.7
and try ls -la /usr/local/bin | grep python
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
ah
then in
user/local/bin there's a python2.7 file and a python2.7 config
 
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ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
3:22 PM
figures
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
I apologize for giving you a hard time
I'll just google how to make it use python 2.7 instead of python2.4 now
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
@JordanRichards you'll just get lost and end up following some guide for some other thing; let me help you. you need to run export PYTHON=/usr/local/bin/python2.7
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Thanks!
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
you may also have to run ln -sf /usr/local/bin/python2.7-config /usr/bin/python-config
then try your ./configure script again
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
Crumbs
python --version won't work after doing that and the same for the config
 
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ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
3:26 PM
just use python -V
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
Yeah, still says 2.4
 
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ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
oh, right, of course
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
haha
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ok, let's just be destructive then: ln -sf /usr/local/bin/python2.7 /usr/bin/python
because seriously, fuck python 2.4
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
YES
Python2.7.2
Thanks SO much!
 
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ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
3:28 PM
doesn't mean it's gonna work
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
now lets try the configire
configure*
Whoop!
It works!
 
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ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
(so far)
and don't ever do ` ./configure` without adding --prefix=/usr, unless you explicitly want to do a parallel install that doesn't overwrite existing installs
/usr/local/bin isn't in your PATH on CentOS5, so you'll be confused as to why node gives you command not found
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
ooohh
Oh dear
Guess what I did.
can I just overwrite by doing ./configure --prefix=/usr ?
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
yes, you can re-run configure
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
Thanks so much.
I am such a newbie.
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
3:33 PM
I'm trying -- hard -- to not be mean :P at least you didn't go to The Comms Room; they'd eat you alive in there
my eyes are just rolling into the back of my head, that's all :P
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
I bet!
How long have you been doing this?
I'm 16, just started this year.
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
@JordanRichards "this"? I've been a GNU/Linux hacker since you were 2 years old
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Oh okay, that explains it ^^
 
That Brazilian Guy
That Brazilian Guy
@JordanRichards There's nothing detrimental in being a beginner. You're trying to do it the right way and willing to research, so you're not a help vampire. :P
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
that definition of hacker, not the other
@ThatBrazilianGuy I agree with you on this
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
3:36 PM
I am strictly a web designer, but I figured it would be a benefit to learn how to use linux-based systems.
 
That Brazilian Guy
That Brazilian Guy
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ OMG A HACKER HE CAN BLOW UP STREETLAMPS USING A CELLPHONE!
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
@JordanRichards on the one hand, it gets old doing the same reeducation for many people over a long period of time, but on the other hand, it took me a number of years to reach the point where I no longer had to ask "noob questions" because I knew how to find the resources I need on my own
so I can kind of understand
@JordanRichards in reality, I "ask" something like 100 questions a day, of a similar nature to yours -- the only difference is, in 99% of the cases, I answer them without actually asking a human being to manually answer... I "ask" various reference sites, google, stackoverflow, API docs, etc.
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Well said. I always try to research before I go to boards/chat rooms. But sometimes I just get brain fog and I don't ask the question the "correct" way.
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
it's not that I know everything, just that I know how to find the things I don't know
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
Yes, that is a very good skill to have. With html/css/javascript/php I do that
 
That Brazilian Guy
That Brazilian Guy
3:40 PM
@JordanRichards Unfortunately, sometimes to ask the correct question, the level of understanding needed is beyond the one we possess.
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
It's like, I just got this error now.. I pasted it into google and got no results.
ImportError: No module named bz2
make[1]: *** [/root/node/out/Release/obj/gen/libraries.cc] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/node/out'
make: *** [node] Error 2
I have no idea what any of that means. ^^
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
you can't paste the entire error
you need to google the essence of the problem
the lines starting with make are complete red herrings
 
That Brazilian Guy
That Brazilian Guy
Well, just look at the first line: "no module named bz2". So you need a module named bz2. Not sure if it is a CentOS package, a node module, or whatever, but I'd start from there.
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ImportError is too vague, too
the actual problem is this: No module named bz2
if you google that, I guarantee you'll get good results
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Why thank you!
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
3:43 PM
grab the bzip2-devel package (with yum), for starters
if it actually installs something, that may well be the fix
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
ohhh dear No module named yum
o.o
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
..............
what command did you run?
oh. right. yum uses Python.
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
There was a problem importing one of the Python modules
required to run yum. The error leading to this problem was:
oohh
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
FUCK.......
thinking how to bail you out of this.
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
Crumbs!
 
Bob
Bob
3:45 PM
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Might as well grab python27
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
@Bob Yeah, I have that ^^
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
@Bob there's no python27 in EPEL5.
 
Bob
Bob
... -_-
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
he installed python27 with (literally) ./configure (no --prefix=/usr).
and I asked him to install python26 with yum install python26, but I don't know if he did that
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
If I type in python --version, it returns Python 2.7.22
2*
 
Bob
Bob
3:46 PM
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ LOL
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
I made the bad judgment call of having him ln -sf /usr/local/bin/python2.7 /usr/bin/python, so his /usr/bin/python from 2.4 is gone. :S
fuck.
is it just a symlink? please say it's a symlink
does /usr/bin/python2.4 exist?
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
let me see
 
Bob
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Does COS 5 set it up as a symlink?
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
@Bob I fucking hope so
 
Bob
Bob
@JordanRichards ls -l /usr/bin/python*
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
3:48 PM
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Jul 23 19:27 /usr/bin/python -> /usr/local/bin/pytho n2.7
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Oct 8 2013 /usr/bin/python2 -> python
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3480 Jan 9 2013 /usr/bin/python2.4
-rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 3480 Nov 7 2012 /usr/bin/python26
-rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 3480 Nov 7 2012 /usr/bin/python2.6
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Jul 23 19:25 /usr/bin/python-config -> /usr/local/bi
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
!!yes
 
ChatBot John Cavil
ChatBot John Cavil
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ln -sf /usr/bin/python2.4 /usr/bin/python
then you're back in business, as far as yum
...but this will, again, break configure
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
Yeah, yum is back in business
 
Bob
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Just run configure by python27 configure ?
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
3:49 PM
@Bob yeah, I tried to get him to edit configure to change the hash-bang, but he didn't follow up on that
but what you suggested is better, except that it's python2.7, not python27
and /usr/local/bin isn't in PATH on CentOS 5
 
Canadian Luke
Canadian Luke
Morning all
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
so: /usr/local/bin/python2.7 configure --prefix=/usr -- try that one
 
Bob
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ eh, I'm a Debian (derivative) user :P
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
@Bob it shows. your fur is red (so beautiful......) and striped in a spiralling red pattern like the Debian logo :-)
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Nice! No errors so far
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
3:51 PM
do a yum install bzip2-devel if you haven't yet.
may help with the bz2 import error
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
okay
now for the moment of truth
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
Any R programmers? @allq?
 
ChatBot John Cavil
ChatBot John Cavil
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ ^
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
@jokerdino I've done about as much R as @JordanRichards has done Python.
read up and you'll see the analogy
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Oh crumbs, I need to use python7 with the make and install
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
3:52 PM
ah, thanks.
 
Bob
Bob
Heh. The only reason I even know R exists is Programming Puzzles & Code Golf
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
python2.7*
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
@JordanRichards you do? oh, if they call python...
what's echo $PYTHON return?
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
@Bob lolol
 
Bob
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ I wonder if it's possible to present a fake symlink
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
3:53 PM
how about /usr/local/bin/python2.7 configure --help | grep python ?
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
/usr/local/bin/python2.7
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
@Bob there may be a --with-python parameter to configure. I'm hoping.
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
weirdly enough, at the exact moment allq said that, I figured my problem XD
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
The configure worked, it's just the make and install
I'm following this
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
@Bob I used it a bit at an internship. we were trying to statistically model a defect we observed sporadically with the ringtone playing with a delay.
it was 2008. we were developing ACCESS Linux Platform. we had dev handsets from Samsung. when incoming call, the ring would delay sometimes, and sometimes not. and the amount of delay would vary. and nobody had a clue as to what was going on
so, off to R we went. (R was another guy's idea)
stopwatch. place call. watch UI pop up. time delay. record datapoints.
then model it using this guy's R code
 
Bob
Bob
3:56 PM
@JordanRichards Any chance you can use CentOS 6 (or 6.5) instead? Or any other modern OS?
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
@Bob I'm afraid not right now, but it is in my future plans.
is there a way to use make and install with python2.7?
Oooo
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
turns out that updating the on-screen clock (GTK2 and X11... don't ask) created such a bubble in the Linux scheduler (42 levels of function calls in the C call stack of the launcher process) that the audio player reading the ringtone from NAND ended up getting preempted a lot whenever the minute was being changed on the clock....
 
Bob
Bob
@JordanRichards can you just download the node binary distribution?
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
Maybe, now that the import package I needed is installed, I could try that command again to "break yum" temp
then fix yum again
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
@JordanRichards true, you could, by ln -sf /usr/local/bin/python2.7 /usr/bin/python
this'll fix yum again:
 
Bob
Bob
3:58 PM
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
10 mins ago, by ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ln -sf /usr/bin/python2.4 /usr/bin/python
 
Bob
Bob
There's official binary distributions for Linux.
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
@Bob if it's not statically linked, it probably depends on a version of glibc that's too new for CentOS 5
 
Jordan Richards
Jordan Richards
Oh crumbs, still get the import bz2 error
 
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ
just going from experience: the glibc ABI broke after CentOS 5.
 
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