Root Access

12:03 AM

Anyone in here have any issues with Win8.1 installed via UEFI not shutting down properly?

When I shutdown my computer, the power LED turns dim, but not completely off, and I can't start the computer without first forcing it to completely turn off.

allquixotic

@William'MindWorX'Mariager YES.

when I shutdown or restart, my screen goes blank and the HDTV will eventually turn itself off, but the CPU and GPU fans keep spinning and the power stays on until I manually power cycle it. I suspect a driver or BIOS problem. unfortunately ASUS stopped updating my BIOS ;/

but I have Windows 8.1 with UEFI and I share your problem. I just don't have a solution!!!

I did find yesterday though that I was able to get the system to restart itself by typing shutdown /r /f /t 0 in the cmd.exe prompt, and that's the only time it's ever done that without manual intervention, so maybe something about the shutdown command is different from Start menu -> shutdown/restart

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

That's possible.

Nice to see I'm not the only one, and pretty funky that we have the exact same problem.

Have you tried disabling the fast startup features?

allquixotic

@William'MindWorX'Mariager yup, no joy

my system is pretty irregular though

custom build

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Hmm, mine's not a custom build.

It's sort of annoying. I'll have to fiddle with it tomorrow. I'll let you know if I find anything.

allquixotic

ASUS P8Z77-V motherboard, 32 GB DDR3, Core i7 3770K, 4 x 4TB HDDs, Adaptec 6405E RAID controller, all the disks are in RAID10 to form a single RAID array across the entire disk population

and a Radeon HD7970 GPU

any shared components with your system?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

12:09 AM

The CPU I think

Just a sec

Yeah, just the CPU.

allquixotic

I doubt it's the CPU's problem -- Intel's CPUs typically have approximately 0 defects, and if they do, it makes national news and they do recalls

much more likely to be the motherboard or disk subsystem I think

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Got a Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H (rev. 1.0) motherboard, 8 GB DDR3, 120 GB SSD, no raid, GeForce 660 GTX.

allquixotic

ok, the difference in GPU vendor suggests it's not a graphics problem

could be that our motherboards have similar problems though

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

That's true.

Mine's a hybrid/dual BIOS/UEFI.

allquixotic

remember, Ivy Bridge is just the second generation of UEFI on mainstream systems

Sandy Bridge, the one before the generation we're using, was the first generation of UEFI systems

it's such a huge change that I'm sure there are tons of bugs

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

12:11 AM

No doubt about it.

Figured I'd give it a try. I really enjoy the fast boot times, but not being able to shut down is pretty annoying.

allquixotic

do you boot with UEFI GOP support, do you know?

my RAID card requires me to boot in traditional BIOS mode, because it has an Option ROM that needs the old VGA BIOS to display its text on the screen, so I can't use GOP even if my Radeon supported it

well I mean, the graphics subsystem boots in BIOS mode

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I'm not sure.

allquixotic

I'm still booting Windows via UEFI

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Graphics boot in BIOS, showing version info. Then I get to the post screen, and it immediately shows the windows loading dots in the bottom.

allquixotic

GOP is the Graphics Output Pipeline, which is a nice way of saying "FINALLY, UEFI is able to break away from the 1980s-era "VGA" standard programming model for displaying text on the screen in the early boot process"

GOP enables things like Intel Rapid Start Technology

you can still boot UEFI (with the help of a Compatibility Support Module, which is present in all standard motherboards these days) even if GOP can't be supported due to legacy Option ROMs

and then there are graphics cards which are too old to support GOP

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

12:15 AM

I haven't seen an option like that, so I bet I'm not using it.

Might be the motherboard or graphics card doesn't support it.

Gimme a sec

allquixotic

I'm not using the Rapid Start technology as a consequence of being unable to use GOP, so we may be on the same page in that respect

unless your system just uses GOP without even asking you and it "Just Works"

that would be the case depending on support from your graphics card and motherboard...

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I'm not allowed to enable Rapid Start.

So I guess I'm not using GOP either.

allquixotic

well, when you get a chance, try going to cmd.exe and run shutdown /r /f /t 0 -- save ALL your work first, of course -- and when the system gets to the point where it would usually hang, wait about 5 minutes, and see if it reboots all on its own

that's the only thing I've ever used that has helped me in any way... I might end up creating a shortcut to use that specific command, and remove the /r flag to shutdown, if that works for shutting down

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

The restart was instantaneous, but it usually is. I'm only having issues when I want to shutdown.

allquixotic

remove the /r flag from the command and see if that helps then... I have a feeling something special about the shutdown command...

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

12:24 AM

You mean replace /r with /s?

Worked without a hitch.

allquixotic

it worked as in your system shut down without hanging?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Also, full shutdown and boot up in <50 seconds. I love it :P

Yup

allquixotic

so what you're saying is that the GUI-based shutdown is not working, but the shutdown command works fine?

that's awesome. lol.

make a shortcut and put it in your start menu or start screen for that and you're all set... I mean, as a workaround

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I just tried the regular shutdown, and now it's working fine...

allquixotic

huh o_O

did you recently install Windows 8.1 Update?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

12:27 AM

Windows did just apply an update. Perhaps it contained a fix for me.

allquixotic

maybe it fixed it :D

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I shutdown earlier today when leaving for a trip, and it was still idling with the power led dim when I got home several hours later. But now it's shutting down just fine. :|

I guess I shouldn't complain. :P

Well, I'm heading to bed. Thanks for the help. <3 Good luck with your own issue. :P

allquixotic

thanks

allquixotic

1:03 AM

@Sathya Can you explain to this guy any better why his 3 questions were closed as dupes? I don't think he accepted my explanation, but I don't sense any hostility or trolling from him, either... he might just not "get it".

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Q: My questions were closed as duplicates. How come?

I was going to reinstall windows on my computer, but I wanted to clarify first some questions I had. So I started searching through superuser.com. I've found answers to my questions but they were located in the "wrong questions" :) Let us see: My question: What are system, active and boot partit...

Bob

1:54 AM

I can't remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal to express.

Psycogeek

In an android app, what do you do when hitting the back button takes you "back" through a 120 touch click-a-thon maze that you "forewarded" into?

Bob

@Psycogeek Hold the home button, close the app. And then uninstall it.

Psycogeek

@Bob OK thanks,

Lol

Bob

@Psycogeek Depending on your phone, though.

Older phones, you had to go through a task manager.

As of Android 4, you can swipe an app left or right off the recently used list to close it - but you first have to change to a different app (e.g. hit the home button once first).

On 4.3, the currently active app also appears on the most recently used list for me, so I can just swipe that off directly.

Psycogeek

Why is there a big argument about task ending Crap, when it is not a matter of it running or not, instead it is: 1) I am not running it again for a Week. 2) isnt it going to take the tiniest bit of power, because for a week i am going into standby and dont need ANY of that crap running?

(including a task ender)

Bob

2:01 AM

@Psycogeek Depends on the app.

Most are left in RAM but suspended, i.e. zero CPU use.

They just load back to the same place, and load faster - but no more power drain.

some apps will continue to run in the background... e.g. music players

depends on what the app developer decided to do

Psycogeek

so a simple camera app (that i wont use for a freaking week) is not likely to take any power? I guess i never wanted to spend a week discovering which one does and which one does not. But i am sure of one thing, i can go on standby for a month even, with nothing parked in wait.

allquixotic

@Bob unfortunately, that doesn't kill the service behind it in my experience, so it's not quite as effective as a Force Stop

ChatBot John Cavil

HAMMERTIME!

allquixotic

the service behind it often likes to restart its babysat app if it dies

Bob

@allquixotic Depends on the app, I suppose.

I haven't had one restart like that yet.

allquixotic

2:06 AM

the main problem I have is that the background services behind apps like Spotify and Google Play and many other media players will fight over bluetooth pecking order when my car stereo tells it, "Play!" over the headset control protocol

Psycogeek

My battery % number (which doesnt represent it exactally) will not budge for a whole day When i close everything. But something in the array of stuff i use left open will suck down deca% in a day.

allquixotic

if I power cycle my phone and start nothing and connect my phone to bluetooth on my car, nothing plays

if I've started Spotify once since booting and haven't terminated its background service, Spotify plays when my car starts and connects to the phone

if I've started Google Play Music, it tends to take precedence over Spotify

wake locks also suck, and services (once they're started up) can tend to hold wake locks more than they should

Bob

@allquixotic Heh, nothing plays even after Spotify, GPMusic or the builtin music player have been opened and closed (tested with a wired headset - I'll test with bluetooth some other time)

@Psycogeek Try closing individual apps till you find it?

allquixotic

wired headset works fine.. it's my retarded car that says, "Play!" every time it turns on

Ramhound

@allquixotic - I am trying to figure out how a reasonable person could not get it to be honest. But I had to back away from that one....

Psycogeek

2:10 AM

@Bob Yup discovery, which will probably take longer than just blind stopping. The built in task manager does it tell them to "exit cleanly" and they do so when possilble to do so? then forces stuff out when it doesnt respond?

allquixotic

even my Meelectronics Matrix Wireless (both the BT 3.0 version and the BT 4.0 LE version) behave well with my phone

Bob

@allquixotic I'm referring to explicitly pressing play.

allquixotic

@Bob what did you want me to do with my Haswell i3?

Bob

@allquixotic Uhh...

openssl speed -elapsed -evp rc4
openssl speed -elapsed -evp aes-128-cbc
openssl speed -elapsed -evp aes-192-cbc
openssl speed -elapsed -evp aes-256-cbc

Psycogeek

@allquixotic I might like that. One of my car stereos "resumes" MP3-CD playing when jumping back in the car, the other car stereo would start playing the song it was into, Back at the beginning Auggg.

Bob

2:13 AM

(have to use -evp to force AES-NI)

allquixotic

ark.intel.com/products/75107

it's that CPU

Bob

@allquixotic Not really necessary any more, though.

allquixotic

you figured it out?

Bob

@allquixotic I got the test running on the Westmere-EP in that dedi

The 'numbers' are in 1000s of bytes per second processed.
type             16 bytes     64 bytes    256 bytes   1024 bytes   8192 bytes
rc4             166311.55k   330921.79k   441381.97k   487375.87k   503062.53k
aes-128-cbc     494280.02k   541383.04k   554579.29k   557993.30k   557176.15k
aes-192-cbc     415930.83k   454761.58k   463258.37k   466414.25k   465900.89k
aes-256-cbc     366588.89k   392036.46k   398907.14k   400683.69k   400291.16k

allquixotic

@Bob and that provided you the info you need? why? i thought you were interested in haswell perf?

Bob

2:15 AM

@allquixotic Well, considering a three-year-older CPU has better AES than RC4 perf...

I'd hope the Haswell just gets even better.

allquixotic

well why don't i run it so we can find out?

Bob

@allquixotic Sure! Thanks.

Though, an i3 might not be the best one to judge RC4 perf on, tbh.

Hm.

shrug worth a shot

allquixotic

@Bob the i3 is feature-complete as far as the hw-accelerated instructions are concerned

Bob

@allquixotic Yea, but it'll have poorer RC4 performance, since that's all software,and more affected by general CPU performance.

allquixotic

gotta update openssl

on fedora 20... don't think that's the latest :P

actually ya it seems to be

hmm fedora 21 is having like a 10 month release schedule... a lot longer than usual

OpenSSL 1.0.1e-fips 11 Feb 2013? eh... not even the heartbleed fix :P workin on that

Psycogeek

2:30 AM

freaking insane Microsoft. The partition with the boot stuff in it is called "system" the partition with the system in it is called "boot". Argg, I have said that wrong somewhere. (in my own system the system has the boot stuff all in the one partition)

allquixotic

[sean@localhost ~]$ openssl speed -elapsed -evp rc4
You have chosen to measure elapsed time instead of user CPU time.
Doing rc4 for 3s on 16 size blocks: 33808547 rc4's in 3.00s
Doing rc4 for 3s on 64 size blocks: 12374796 rc4's in 3.00s
Doing rc4 for 3s on 256 size blocks: 4479346 rc4's in 3.00s
Doing rc4 for 3s on 1024 size blocks: 1185273 rc4's in 3.00s
Doing rc4 for 3s on 8192 size blocks: 154369 rc4's in 3.00s
OpenSSL 1.0.1e-fips 11 Feb 2013
built on: Tue Apr 8 00:32:22 UTC 2014
options:bn(64,64) md2(int) rc4(16x,int) des(idx,cisc,16,int) aes(partial) idea(int) blowfish(idx)

@Bob ^^

Ramhound

Holly Cow... 1.13 Billion MS data center in Iowa.

But only results in 88 jobs in 4 years :$

allquixotic

@Ramhound YEP. "automation".

Bob

@allquixotic Thanks!

Psycogeek

@Ramhound 12 people fixing "the Machines" 24 doing paperwork, 4 managing the humans, what are the rest for? cleaning toilets?

Ramhound

2:34 AM

I don't know

But its going to be built in 4 phases, still pretty cool

allquixotic

@Psycogeek you've got it wrong. there is 1 person fixing "the Machines", 1 person taking care of "facilities" (toilets, spraying for insects, leaky roof, etc), 39 people doing paperwork, and 39 managing the people doing paperwork

Psycogeek

@allquixotic sounds about right, just need 5 lawyers in there too.

Ramhound

People laugh at MS at for saying their new console has "cloud computing" yeah tell you want with a this data center will end up being larger then the freaking NSA data center :$

They could handle all the cloud computing they want

allquixotic

@Ramhound I doubt it. the black budget is so huge that they have to classify the number and not even tell Congress how much it is, because (1) they'd balk at the number and shut down the NSA if they knew, and (2) "state secrets privilege"

Ramhound

The NSA didn't spend 1 billion dollars without anyone asking "what for" I don't care if it a black budget.

I was also making a joke :$

allquixotic

2:37 AM

@Ramhound the top wealthiest counties and cities (by median household income) in the entire United States are all clustered around the Maryland-DC-Virginia area, within commuting distance of the headquarters of CIA, NSA and FBI

that's not a joke; that's actual fact... if you are near Maryland (which is where I live), our economy is basically directly driven by 6-figs-making upper class people who work for law enforcement and intelligence organizations

Psycogeek

@Ramhound they have a senate pannel of 4 monkies who already vote (yea or nay) on endless pages of law crap they also never read.

allquixotic

if you're in this area and you have a job in the commercial (private) sector, chances are your business is propped up by paying customers who either work for those organizations, or their family works for them

pizza places, laundromats, grocery stores, movie theaters, baseball stadiums, etc., all supported by this intelligence/security/defense apparatus hovering within 50-75 square miles of DC

Ramhound

$1.13B data center gets you a ton of computing power...

allquixotic

it's enormously built up here, new communities cropping up everywhere, growth that couldn't happen without a burgeoning black budget

to the NSA, $1.13 B is peanuts

they spend like $50B on their data centers

Ramhound

1.13 is just to build the damn thing. I suppose its a great deal more then 88 jobs. Likely hundreds at least until the damn thing is built

allquixotic

2:41 AM

round the clock guards, auto turrets, 120 fps 4K cameras that could spot a zit on your lip from a mile away, custom ASIC designs that are designed under top secret contracts, etc etc

I saw a flatbed truck in military camo going down the highway one time and its cargo was like 8 enormous server racks... they had a plastic sheet over them and were empty of computer equipment but they were clearly server racks from their size

Ramhound

So tired...

I really shouldn't have played FTL when I had 2 homework assignments and a quiz still due :-(

Psycogeek

@Ramhound 88 direct working for MS jobs? the other 1500 are in taiwan making the machines :-)

Ramhound

@Psycogeek - I forget does MS use an open source server design like Facebook?

I know a couple of the big wigs do I forget if MS takes part in it

Psycogeek

@Ramhound I wouldnt know, i suspect that they might try and use thier own software ? but then again who would :-)

Ramhound

lol; No..I mean I knew use their own server os but the actual design of the hardware.

Yep: arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/01/…

Ramhound

3:12 AM

wow, random question on Arcade just taught me something amazing. ( 10NES chip )

I love old school Nintendo they really escalated computer engineering into a new era

Psycogeek

Oh the hardware, that is insane. . . knowing that in 15 years what takes a warehouse of equiptment to do will someday take only a room or 2. I think that just mitigating (big word tossed in just for effect) redundancy of the same data , would shrink the storage ammount by volumes.

For every download i see today, exists on like 20+ servers , not including all the home users holding the same thing.

Ramhound

@Psycogeek - What hardware are you talking about exactly?

Anyone have an idea about this

Psycogeek

At the link

Ramhound

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Q: Debian: Unable to use mono (missing mscorlib.dll)

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linux debian mono

Oh mine? Yeah. I am like thats some massive computing power.

Bob

4:14 AM

@Ramhound His second example used mono-complete.

Ramhound

4:38 AM

@Bob - I didn't see it because how long the bloody command was, holly cow :$

Bob

Heh. @allquixotic aldi.medion.com/md99360/au/?refPage=medion

Bit pricey for what it is, though.

allquixotic

@Bob VERY pricey for what it is -- the detachable aspect is not very useful imho (as an owner of a Surface Pro...........) and the N2920 is strictly worse than the Pentium N3520

they're both Bay Trail-M, but the Celeron is just worse

Bob

@allquixotic And you were recently complaining about the lap-usability with the keyboard? :P

allquixotic

@Bob of the Surface Pro, yes. of the permanently-attached Yoga 2, no.

the Yoga 2 is great in EVERY respect except for disk I/O performance, to be perfectly honest... every other aspect of the unit from the hardware build quality to the keyboard to the CPU is fine for what I need

even its WiFi chipset is perfectly good

Bob

@allquixotic It's not even available here :\

allquixotic

4:53 AM

@Bob why not? doesn't Lenovo ship all their product worldwide?

it's not like it has a USA LTE chipset in it.... it's WiFI

Bob

@allquixotic Not available on the Australian version of their site.

@allquixotic And, no, the US site does not allow country selection.

And considering the price of this thing... officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/…

Canadian Luke

Read this

Bob

@CanadianLuke Link better :P

Canadian Luke

Hmmm... Doesn't like that markdown

There we go

Bob

[nameoflink](actuallink)

Canadian Luke

5:02 AM

Nope

Markdown sucks for that URL

Bob

o.O

that's the worst link-butchering I've ever seen

test

@CanadianLuke ^

:)

Canadian Luke

OK, finished with the MSE post

Bob

@CanadianLuke Tip: they don't care :P

O.O

@allquixotic Moto X in Aus? Must be dreaming.

jbhifi.com.au/phones/motorola/moto-x-16gb-white-sku-540757

Canadian Luke

Meh

Bob

Though, it costs more than a S4. Hard to justify the purchase, apart from branding.

Canadian Luke

5:09 AM

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Q: Chat Markdown with URL glitchy with underscores

I was trying to post http://craphound.com/overclocked/Cory_Doctorow_-_Overclocked_-_When_Sysadmins_Ruled_the_Earth.html as a link in the chat room. When it rendered, it first showed: craphound.com/overclocked/…Overclocked-_When_Sysadmins_Ru‌led_the_Earth.html Then, I tried [Read this](http://c...

bug chat markdown

Also, I meant meh to them not caring

Bob

@CanadianLuke It's not the underscores.

It's the dashes.

You'll notice it's only after the dashes that it starts interpreting the underscores as markdown rather than part of the link.

Canadian Luke

But the underscores also make it think it's in italics

Bob

And my fixed version just replaced the dashes with URL encoding.

@CanadianLuke Not the point.

Canadian Luke

I know, but posted so someone can fix anyways

ekaj

apt-get install bsdgames

Canadian Luke

5:10 AM

But about that phone

Bob

example.com/blah_te-st_foo_bar_-baz

hrm

Canadian Luke

My LG Optimus G is better! Mostly the same, but not Motorola, so better

Bob

Ok, specifically, it doesn't like -_

Canadian Luke

-_-

Bob

lol

Canadian Luke

5:12 AM

O.O \.oo./

Now I feel like Googling ASCII art...

Bob

@CanadianLuke btw, it's url encoding, not unicode

ekaj

damn I died

Canadian Luke

OK thanks

ekaj

terminal games are oddly addicting

Canadian Luke

What game @ekaj

ekaj

5:13 AM

worm :(

I pressed up when I was going down and ran into myself..

Bob

@ekaj Soo.... snake?

ekaj

No, it doesn't constantly move, only when you tell it to

Canadian Luke

I'm going to bed though, chat with you guys later... Happy Easter to those who celebrate it

ekaj

nighty

Sathya

6:25 AM

happy birthday @ivoflipse! have a great year ahead!

6

Ivo Flipse

7:42 AM

@Sathya Merci a lot!

I'm pretty sure I'll enjoy myself today, if only with eating all the food we prepared :P

Bob

Oh?

Happy birthday @IvoFlipse

Ivo Flipse

10:01 AM

Thanks @bob

Oliver Salzburg

@IvoFlipse Happy birthday :D

Ivo Flipse

10:25 AM

Grazi @Oliver

Bob

10:52 AM

The biggest problem with fiddling with networking is when you try to look something up on Google. Oh wait, no internet, right.

Psycogeek

11:37 AM

ther's those dependencies again. just offline the whole web next time it is working.

Einsteins Grandson

1:23 PM

anybody here?

Oliver Salzburg

@EinsteinsGrandson No. Go away

4

Einsteins Grandson

;-)

why?

Gear54rus

1:45 PM

hello guise

Boris_yo

This trend annoys me...

play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=fay.booster

@OliverSalzburg hehehe...

Bob

When you talk about the job experience you'll give me, why do you pronounce 'job' with a long 'o'?

jokerdino

2:03 PM

job with a long 'o'. Cracks me up.

Bob

@jokerdino jobe? :S

jokerdino

joooOooob

Bob

@jokerdino That's not a long o.

> The title text makes reference to the story of Job ("Job" pronounced with a long O to rhyme with globe), who was put through some horrendous ordeals by Satan, (with God's permission) to test (or prove) Job's faith. This suggests that taking the job will make the interviewee feel like Job (i.e. the job will be a horrendous ordeal).

jokerdino

Is that actually what a long O is?

Bob

@jokerdino A long o sounds like saying the letter o ("oh").

j-oh-b

jokerdino

2:10 PM

blah

Bob

Yea, English is confusing.

Actually, no. Pronunciation-wise, aside from inconsistencies, English is easier than a lot of other languages :S

jokerdino

French has a lot of silent letters in there.

Gets me confused everytime a consonant is not accompanied by a vowel.

Bob

jokerdino

how what?

Bob

reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/23i5p1/wut

jokerdino

2:14 PM

so that means you are subscribed again?

Bob

*shrug*

3

jokerdino

that dog just didn't bother

HackToHell

2:36 PM

And my n00by question has 89 upvotes ^_^ askubuntu.com/questions/162391/how-do-i-fix-my-locale-issue

Bob

2:52 PM

jokerdino

Don't you get bills and stuff mailed these days?

allquixotic

4:47 PM

@jokerdino I hardly ever get bills mailed to me.... it's all electronic

Boris_yo

5:44 PM

@Bob :D

Seems like humanity can't decide where it wants to be.

After passing Nexus 4 to lab and returned it today, the tech told me all he had to do is disassemble and assemble phone to fix lack of vibration feature.

However I am usually meticulous, strict and suspicious etc. so I stayed another 30 minutes to test functionality while using phone with factory defaults. 20 minutes after, what do you know - vibration disappeared.

I told the tech to check, he did what he did previously and vibration worked again. He told me to bring device to lab so they can do thorough testing as it seems the problem is complex here (you know those hard to reproduce thi…