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1:32 AM
Meh. My dad loves wasting my time. Sitting at a bus stop to pass some stuff To him
Been here 10 min. Calling a little later would be nice
 
1:58 AM
Done
@Mokubai Occupy One Armed Bandits? Or is it occupy blackjack tables?
Or whatever it is they do in casinos.
@jenniferUnderhill: Howdy. Unfortunately you need at least 20 rep to chat here, but you're free to see what happens here,
 
2:12 AM
1. Replace $1500 part in $25,000 scanner, problem isn't fixed.
2. Pull out hair in frustration.
 
@_@
 
Yea, since now I have to individually replace and test 4 $500 parts to nail down which one is at fault.
 
welcome to Chewie's life when trying to repair the Millennium Falcon's hyperdrive
you should cry out, "GGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!" and beat on things
it helps. really.
 
Naw, Chewie probably got a one armed discount.
(The arm he beat you with if he didn't get the best price possible)
 
 
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3:25 AM
that moment you realised you left a torrent running on your server a couple days ago...
 
@MichaelFrank: That happens to me too much
 
Uploaded: 181GB
Share Ratio: 4.065
 
lol
The perils of fibre
 
This is VDSL actually.
 
I have one torrent with a 96 share ratio
 
3:28 AM
I'm just glad it's unlimited VDSL.
 
no wait. TWO HUNDRED AND FOURTY FOUR 0_0
 
I don't torrent often, but sometimes pre-90s anime is really hard to find on Usenet. :P
 
Oh, I use it a fair bit
Including for linux livecds
(Which I seed as much as possible)
 
3:33 AM
!! s/Including/including but definitely not limited to/
 
@allquixotic including but definitely not limited to for linux livecds (source)
 
3:49 AM
;p
 
Bob
4:15 AM
Hmm
Hmmm
Hmmmm
Those three are all in the default Swype dictionary. Interesting.
 
lol
 
5:04 AM
@Bob Decidedly not Air Crash Investigation, despite being labeled as such, but it has the exact same format as an ACI episode. But it's a boat.
 
Bob
5:15 AM
> This video is not available in your country.
:\
 
Nexus 6 announced -- mostly underwhelming. no MicroSD is killer. meh camera. display is too damn big (even my large hands have limits!).
 
Bob
@allquixotic Google has some weird vendetta against MicroSD.
They probably want to push Drive.
Except they fail to realise most people have data limits.
 
@Bob I have no data limits, but the LTE is too crippled at my desk at work (about 0.9 Mbps down and worse than 3G up) to make decent use of cloud storage
the only way I can listen to Spotify without it dropping out at work is to save all the music to my microSD
if I want to listen to a new piece of music while I'm at my desk, one that isn't downloaded, I add it to a playlist, make the playlist save offline, then listen to another album I already have saved while it's downloading
 
._.
I use a USB OTG device for about the same reason
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Sure, have something dangling off your phone :P
 
5:22 AM
lol
 
Bob
I've said this before, but the main attractions of Samsung to me are MicroSD, removable battery and separate softkeys.
 
Thats about the only thing I miss off my one V
 
@Bob that's about as inelegant as me toting around a USB HDD with my laptop in college (mid-2000s) when the ThinkPad internal capacities were like 80 to 120 GB
 
Bob
@allquixotic I'm still carrying an external HDD around with me.
 
o_O
 
Bob
5:23 AM
But that's mostly to reduce contention when running VMs.
Haven't actually used it in a while. Certainly not since I added the SSD.
 
@Bob the Nexus 6 and all the other Motorola-made phones have "separate softkeys", except that the home button is just another softkey, rather than being a big physical button with a builtin fingerprint reader like the Galaxy series
the battery and MicroSD are also very important to me, though
 
Bob
@allquixotic $650... not attractive at all
> Android now finally has a dedicated power-saving mode
???
 
Bob
> In KitKat there was Project Svelte, which aimed to get the OS running on only 512MB of RAM.
Huh.
@allquixotic Eh. Relies on app devs to actually make use of it.
In other words, largely useless for the next couple years.
>a faster virtual machine that compiles apps once instead of every time they are run
AOT-compilation... hm
 
@Bob If you're playing the long game, technically you would still go with the Note 4, because it's a foregone conclusion that, despite releasing with 4.4.4, the Note 4 will SOMEDAY sport Lollipop. Of course, in Australia, that someday may be 2017.
 
Bob
5:37 AM
Hm
> Android L also has a "battery saver" feature that lowers the device performance and cuts the background data and screen brightness when the device hits 15-percent battery
There it is.
Except... pretty sure I had that on my S2 running Gingerbread.
And I have it now on JB.
So, perhaps it's something Samsung added over core Android, but still pretty meh.
 
@Bob that feature is on my S5's 4.4.4 too, but it's Samsung-specific, so I wonder if the L implementation is better than Samsung's
that feature is definitely not core Android, since my mom's Droid Maxx running 4.4.4 does not have that feature at all
 
Bob
@allquixotic Considering my screen has used 82% of my total usage for today so far (totalling ~70%)... there won't be much to improve on over reducing screen brightness.
Looks like reducing data usage might be something Samsung's implementation doesn't do, but that accounts for a rather small portion of my usage.
 
@Bob wouldn't reducing the display's actual refresh rate also improve battery life? basically similar to what Nvidia G-Sync is doing on the desktop, except that, rather than to eliminate tearing, the purpose of varying (reducing, more specifically) the refresh rate on a phone's LCD is to save energy
 
Bob
@allquixotic I think brightness still has the biggest impact by far.
I wonder if the OS even monitors/differentiates light and GPU usage.
Hm.
 
@Bob on my S5, the refresh rate visibly drops (maybe to 15 or 20 Hz) with power save mode on
animations look jaggedy, but it definitely helps with battery life
 
Bob
5:42 AM
@allquixotic I never actually use power save, so... :P
The 10400 mAh battery pack might have something to do with that
Power saving mode? Bah. Just give me a charger sometime in the next three days.
 
@Bob I use it when I go to sporting events, extended outings at restaurants and shopping, etc. to ensure that my phone will be there when I need it, unless I'm toting my 10 Ah Anker battery
I only carry my extended battery sometimes. but with power saving mode I generally don't need it
 
5:54 AM
@allquixotic: I think 4.4 added that
My moto G has that
 
@JourneymanGeek that only kicks in when the battery is very low, though
the Galaxy S4/S5 power saving can be applied any time
you can save battery while there's still lots of it, instead of waiting til the battery is almost dead to start saving
 
ahh true
 
I'm always estimating how long I expect to be away from a charger or charged battery pack -- if it's more than 4 hours, I'll put the phone into power saving mode
 
lol
I tend to assume my phone will last all day
unless I charge it, or (wierdly) am bored enough to play 2048
 
mine will, if I turn off "Sync" (which basically disables background updating of email, notifications, app updates, etc) and turn on power saving mode
if I run it full-bore it'll run itself dry in about 8 hours
 
6:10 AM
Hi. Is the control panel in W8 called Immersive?
 
never heard of it called that way
@allquixotic oO
 
6:30 AM
I'm on my way to check out the house of mouse :p
 
6:49 AM
@JourneymanGeek wat
 
7:06 AM
that shop with the very 90s website?
 
7:32 AM
is there a way to find out which version of MS SQL server 2012 I have installed in my laptop? I mean if it is 32-bit or 64-bit...
I uninstalled Visual Studio and now SQL management studio is not working... it says I need to reinstall it
or repair it... But, I don't remember which version I installed - 32 or 64....
 
Hmmmm. @JourneymanGeek, I was at a clients machine, on Windows 8 which had a start menu! They had email issues and whilst the Immersive Control Panel looked like the standard control panel, things like Task Scheduler and EventViewer will not load... I'm guessing they've installed some things they shoudln't have
I don't have W8 so I wasn't sure if it was a rebranding (or not)
I'm guessing when they installed IOBitStart Menu (or some similar name) it's done some additionally unexpected nonsense
Cool
 
@Dave I
Er 8.1 has a start button
 
Hello :)
a start menu
as in a W7 start menu
on W8 (not 8.1)
 
Not standard then
 
I think it's the IOBitStartMenu thing they installed (let me find it
 
7:37 AM
my favorite so far is classic shell
as far as start menus for win8 goes
 
what is the classic shell (link)?
 
looks just like win7 start menu, free, no ads, no shit, no hassle
 
ah, same kind of thing as the iobit thing as well then. Well, I'm guessing IOBit does bad things as well, despite having lots of rewards etc (I would have thought it be a trusted applicaiton)
Well, at least I now know that W8 didn't rebrand it...
I wonder if the IOBit has nothing to do with this, and the immersive is something else completely ... It's insanse, I run their website (I tried to do IT support but found it too difficult) so not sure why I'm playing IT pro!!! :S
 
@Dave might be, or something bundled in
 
It's quite a new PC actually so good point about bundled in, thank you @JourneymanGeek
 
Bob
7:44 AM
While not free, I like Start8.
 
Bob
Don't actually use a menu replacement myself, though.
 
I may be wrong about immersive control panel
 
However, I got their email working and left it with "since they don't use Task Scheduler or need the event viewer, let's leave it as is". It's a PC which gets used to send emails and book keeping! And they use it 3 days a week..
 
Nor do I. I pin stuff or launch it off steam
 
7:45 AM
I had seen this link @JourneymanGeek but, there are so few posts about it I still wasn't convinced one way or another
 
I'll check when I get home.
 
Hey, no worries man but thank you :)
 
Oh, I'm curious now, and I hate being misinformed
 
he he he
Thanks for mentiongin start8 @Bob
 
Bob
Hm, this looks interesting.
 
7:53 AM
This looks like an opportunity for mayhem @Bob
Never again will I leave a public place without putting many of these every where I can!
:)
 
Bob
8:06 AM
@Dave You have to be on the locked side to use them :\
 
ahh a chair works :-)
 
8:50 AM
@Bob :) oh yeah....
 
9:38 AM
@Psycogeek Hello!

1. What's your digital camera that you shoot with?
2. Please rate from 1 to 10 your knowledge in digital photography.
 
 
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11:02 AM
@Boris_yo a panasonic lummix 5MP . because "digital" zoom just uses parts of the sencor, and optics are really important (bigger lenses tend to gather more light, plus any abberations are smaller), even for my "compact" camera I wanted to have a fair sized optical zoom, for wildlife like stuff, and it had to be on the camera not attachment, because there is never enough time.
On the other hand, some of the best optics , and zoom tend to be on cameras that a person is not going to have with them as often. no pictures is probably worse than bad pictures :-) the DSLR style are often superior cameras lens sencor , and even viewers. When is a megapixel not a megapixel? when that is not the sencors Real actual pixels , instead it is interpolated from a lesser sencor (and they lie about it too).
More light hitting the sencor, and not jumping registers, means that all this big numbers is meaningless unless there is good lens, and a quality sencor. Optical zoom adding much size.
 
11:21 AM
while all flash in compact and subcompact cameras suck, and do not make it past 10feet, a mid sized zenon flash tube is still better than even 2 leds when it comes to pictures, good luck doing any video though without a light that can stay on for some time (leds) a flash tube is only useful for pictures.
 
Hi all
 
11:37 AM
I can't believe that we bought a Nexus 10 pretty much minutes before they announced the successor :\
…which is a smaller form factor :P
 
Oh dear :S
 
And now it's on my desk and I can't open it because we're probably sending it back :P
 
Oh dear :S
he he he
at least you can send it back.. could be worse!!
 
@OliverSalzburg now who could resist, just repack it all nicely
oppertunity to do a review between the 2
then end up returning the new one :-) and re-getting the one you sent back.
 
I fear that, if I open it, I want to keep it :P
 
11:43 AM
take 2 thier small
 
fight the temptation! Go for a long walk, take up knitting or waste time onlne
 
if your married, the wife gets the good one, although if you have kids :-) you can unload the lesser one on them. now you know why it is so important to be married with children
 
@Dave I do have a job here you know ;P
 
@OliverSalzburg, you work at work?? SUrely that's just for meetings?
:)
 
The Maven repository index is 140 MB #k
 
11:55 AM
@Psycogeek I was argumented when I thought zoom equals quality like zoom 21x Samsung WB350F compact camera offers. Conversely it's like you said, sensor, optics and aperture size. So I think they said that even top-level compact camera like Sony RX100 can have enought aperture for good zoom.
And does your camera have touch screen?
There are some that have and I wonder if they have Android OS?
 
the total zoom length doesnt really define the quality, there are cameras with internal lens arrays that suck, some very long zooms start to lose F-stopie things at the far end of the zoom, and are hard to focus. using 15x of a 20X zoom is not an option, because if it gets messy, you end up fighting it everytime your at that end.
@Boris_yo no my camera is old, because i have not upgraded, and the upgrade is much different, not sure i will like it.
Best pictures i have ever seen still came from the nicon 35mm thing, but those days are gone.
 
@Psycogeek Nicon? Not Nikon?
 
sure that one.
nicon would be the chineese knockoff version
like a rodlex watch :-)
 
12:10 PM
Why Nikon 35mm days are gone?
@Psycogeek I just came with knockoff brand - RollMark
 
@Boris_yo processing lab does not even exist (one), the digital is ok, and i do not even very often print the pics, so generally it is more econo/envromentaly . Although i think there is and going to be a lot of pictures that dissapear because they are not printed, including crap printed with the computer in inkjet that may not have the longevity
 
a lot pictures disappeared over the years BECAUSE they were only on print
as well.... so that shit goes both ways
 
So while there will be less albums , and the pain in the butt of those, there needs to me more serious backing up
 
ooops, I lost my negatives....
 
@Psycogeek Is this 35mm film?
 
12:15 PM
easy to loose a small canister/film, but when you have your digital negatives in the cloud, and other physical media.... it's a lot safer
lose*
 
Yea having your data out in Net never never land is so much safer, like your passwords were , and your accounts, and etc.
 
@Psycogeek Snowden approves
 
uhm, we're talking about photos, as in storage
and you have it stored in the cloud AND on physical media
 
what media? delaminated optical disks? think they will make it 50 years?
 
uhm, you transfer to media all the time.... it's not like you throw it on a usb, put it in a safe and leave it for 50 years
newer media comes out, I move my shit to that
as new storage media comes out, you migrate.... simple
 
12:20 PM
I think the average user (picture taker) is not so wise with backups untill it is to late, thier moldy shoebox of photos from 1960 , is more likely to exist in 2020.
 
files I originally had on floppy is now stored on disk, flash, cloud
 
No more margin-right on .highlight \o/
 
floppy perfect example, should have been a good low density long term , , , ooops the media collapsed.
 
@Psycogeek: it's a perfect example of transferring your data to new media
...
average picture taker today only shoots digital
probably only with their phone...
 
my floppies all died before transferring anything, that i do not even know what , or where. the floppies were the shoebox, they would dig out, and well nothing.
 
12:24 PM
mhm, you had no foresight
 
that is how it is different from the photos of yesteryear, they just stayed on the media they were on.
 
but the means for preserving your data is there, and it's easy
 
it would not be easy if in the 50 years that people had thier photos for, they have to change the paper they were on 4-5 TIMES?? Plus the average users know little about resolution, compression, and preserving the quality itself of the picture. They drag out some "web" pic and think it is the same as the original
I work with customers photo stuff, and can assure you for the average person, the mindless hunk of photo they got 2 copies of , was way more likely to live.
The dissaperaing ink of the "easy" photo they printed, and the costs (thanks to highway robbery ink) is higher .
 
changing paper.... I'm talking about today, digital media, which is easy
 
ok how about how easy it has been for them to instead of taking 2-3 really good pictures, taking 500 half assed ones, than having to weed through them (well eventually they are going to) to find the 2-3 that can be preserved. yes easy :-) easy to end up with more junk.
 
12:40 PM
bummer if those 2-3 pictures you took weren't good at all, but out of focus, overexposed, or whatever
:D
flexibility of raw wins
that and quantity
ofcourse managing your photos is a hassle if you never actually do it
I shot aprox 500 photos of my girlfriend on one day
still haven't deleted more than a handful, and it's been a few months
so yeah.... I know what you mean
 
film has a much wider range of contrast, it can capture, digital (still) has a very small contrast ratio. Which does not mean it is contrasty. If i take a shot in bright sun with shadows, film was somehow able to capture both. digital will blow one out or dissapear the other. Once captured, scanning the photo into the computer , a person could still maintain that Range.
 
are you trying to argue that film is a better format?
because I wouldn't argue against that, as far as quality, resolution, range goes
 
When working with both scanned film , and digital photos , in the photo editor, you can see how much is lost, and how much working space you have.
a person (or an auto exposure) in film could be off by 2 full f-stop things, and thier photo can be corrected for.
(assuming it needed correction, because the films could cope with the range)
 
@Erik @Psycogeek mdisc.com/what-is-mdisc
 
all my important data is etched in stone
2
10 000 years
 
12:54 PM
@Boris_yo "what is worth saving forever?" the limited lifetime warrety that does NOT cover data loss :-)
Talk talk talk, lets see them back it up with a guarentee that it will do what it says, and a company that will not be sold (swollowed up or dissolved) in 5 years or less.
 
@Psycogeek Hahah but you won't lose perpetual data.
@Psycogeek Or passed onto generations, to your next family generations until one member inserts 10,000 old dusty CD and realizes data loss.
 
@Boris_yo at least it is dvd density, but to have something more permenent in optical burn media (glass masters) first you need a Co2 laser of 40watts :-) then a plastic materials that last time, then either no layers or glue that lasts time.
 
Hello everyone. I'm the new guy! Long time reader, first time chatter ;)
 
@Kristian What took you so long?!
 
I was busy fixing 'that IT'
 
1:05 PM
hmm new Idea , wonder if it has been done yet? Wi_Fi tombstones .
@Kristian what IT?
 
@Psycogeek Ah yea, wanted to discuss with you commercial product photgraphy. Those shot against white background. i.imgur.com/ypUvmGD.jpg
 
Oh, where do I begin... late 90s I was putting together PC's, in the 00s I was mostly sorting out user issues or coding. Nowadays I call myself 'consultant', but that only means I do whatever people ask.
 
> To start testing, open the invitation email on your iOS 8 device and tap Open in TestFlight.
Jesus, why does everything involving iOS dev have to be such a pain! O____o
 
@Kristian is that different from "consultant" get paid lots to stand around and talkk about it?
 
I'm still working on the first half...
and I'm enough of a geek to talk about it even when noone seems to be listening.
@Boris_yo - those pictures make me want to wash my face..
 
1:17 PM
@Kristian Fantastic, aren't they? You can't even believe that you are in that fantasy having to wash your face to make sure you are not sleeping.
 
I cant think of a better way to showcase ones photography and editing skills than displaying a portofolio of really mindnumbingly dull pictures like those.
 
@Boris_yo speaking of contrast :-) did they intend for anyone to read the text on the original product, or do we just look at the nifty pictures :-)
 
You're not supposed to be interested in the subject. Only the obvious display of talent.
 
jade clam Acid wash, cool, but will it unclog drains?
 
there's only one way to find out...
put whatever you find in your drain on your face before you wash :)
 
1:21 PM
lol
 
@Kristian Use Mr. Pung
@JourneymanGeek You forgot "H" and it sounded like YoLo
 
Hi there @JourneymanGeek
 
@Boris_yo: Commander Bond (MBE) would assure you YOLT.
 
1:41 PM
@JourneymanGeek YOLF
@Psycogeek So my question about photography was- can I shoot with my 7-year old camera? imaging-resource.com/PRODS/OM10/OM10A.HTM
@JourneymanGeek Do you think I can shoot something like this BASIC ($35)? i.imgur.com/ypUvmGD.jpg
 
@Boris_yo You definitely can, if your subject is well lit and not too far from the lens. If you have artificial light and are no more than 1-2m (3-6 ft) from the subject, you should get decent results.
 
@OliverSalzburg NO!
@Kristian With my 7-year old camera? Are you sure?
 
Looking at the lens and pixelcount, I would suspect so.
it's a better camera than what is in most midrange smartphones today
 
1:57 PM
There's also lighting, and focus, and using the right backdrop
However, its entirely possible you will muck it up and end up with something horrible
so go. practice. now.
 
@JourneymanGeek dx.com/p/…
Softbox + 4 backdrops. A little delicate ironing... so what? I will shoot under sun.
@Kristian I will use softbox: dx.com/p/…
By the way, I am sensitive being with artistry angle which has a potential to turn me into good photography man.
 
2:16 PM
@Boris_yo read this if you care about camera quality 6mpixel.org/en
Your camera is a 6MP camera with a 1/2.5" sensor and 35-105mm equivalent lens
 
Bob
2:59 PM
@allquixotic would cost a hair under 250 AUD for a new Venue 8 Pro right now... pretty tempted :P
though refurbs are often cheaper
 
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