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4:43 AM
moo
 
 
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6:32 AM
hmm
anyone up? ;p
 
 
2 hours later…
8:18 AM
Yawn - had a coffee - now approachable!
 
8:49 AM
eheh
I vaguely got my website back up
was wondering if someone would give it a poke and tell me how horribly slow it is ;)
lupinenet.co.cc/corememory/tiki-index.php?page=HomePage i haven't actually really worked on it, and might switch my wiki-platform, but it seems accessible now ;p
 
 
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11:24 AM
@JourneymanGeek: 43 requests @ 12.15s
 
eh
rather slow :(
 
I would suggest combining and minifying JS and CSS files and off-loading your images to another host...
Once cached it's around 4 seconds.
 
@TomWijsman: eh, i'm considering dumping that platform
 
Yeah, that's another thing to consider, another platform wouldn't fix the speed that much I think...
 
well, yeah, but its overcomplex for a plain wiki
its MOSTLY for internal use, and it seems way faster for systems on the same ISP that it is on
 
 
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1:16 PM
@JourneymanGeek 12.5 seconds total in Safari from Germany. The first few requests had 3 seconds latency, and the longest download times were JS und CSS files. Since it's 4xx kb total, something's wrong. Second request (cached) 4.7 seconds, practically everything of which is response latency.
 
1:46 PM
rather slow lately...
 
@DanielBeck: hmm. to rule out the server, mind giving a poke at this? lupinenet.co.cc/CoreMemoryLegacy/memorycore/tiki-index.html
(static pages, backup from the previous system i was using)
 
@JourneymanGeek 3.7 seconds, but I believe some resources are shared. Will use another browser for this.
@JourneymanGeek 3.5 seconds in Firefox/Firebug Net tab
 
@JourneymanGeek Original URL is 8.4 seconds in same browser
 
1:55 PM
hi
 
@JourneymanGeek Can't you merge these 11 CSS and 21 JS files?!
 
eh, its a default skin
I haven't really mucked with it much. In fact, i haven't touched the site in months
 
-2
Q: Tag PNG files in explorer

vsyncIs there a workaround to make windows7 apply tags to PNG files like JPG? maybe some registry hack? This is typical Microsoft stuff I'd say.

 
so i'll need to see. I might dump tikiwiki and use something else. There's much more focused options for a plain old wiki
@bubu what about that?
 
@JourneymanGeek that guy asking the question is seriously having problem.. okay, dying because of being unable to tag PNG in explorer..?
 
2:09 PM
what does he mean by tag?
 
actually there is really space in PNG that allow tags (libpng.org/pub/png/spec/1.2/PNG-Chunks.html)
 
exif tags?
 
but then banishing microsoft just because it doesn't support advanced feature of yet another image format... eh, that feels bad.
it's similar to exif tags
 
They actually work on my windows 7 system with no mods
ahh
not to mention he has two questions. the other one was closed...
 
I guess he wanted to be able to tag individual image in the windows explorer easily and able to search easily.. I don't honestly think this is available in windows yet
 
2:39 PM
superuser.com/questions/296122/… i wonder if he wants a pony too
 
@JourneymanGeek: Too localized... xD
 
Not a real question, I think.
 
@MarkSzymanski: Why? The only thing I see is a too narrow situation...
"This question is unlikely to ever help any future visitors" over "It's difficult to tell what is being asked here"
 
@TomWijsman: He doesn't specify what theme he wants. All he says is he "wants it to look like Windows 7".
 
It's a job for google and theme sites imo...
 
2:52 PM
@MarkSzymanski: He does specify that; "a Windows 7 theme" is specific enough, which refers to any .theme file that you can install on Windows 7.
 
He's using Windows XP, @TomWijsman.
 
Without using an exe the best you can get it Windows 7s Basic theme, no taskbar, not glass theme, nothing useful. Too localised.
 
@MarkSzymanski: Which is why it's too localized, he wants to install it on a less than usual operating system...
 
Alright, I guess I was wrong, then.
 
Well, another one joined your thought. And in the end I really don't care if three people voted for another option...
Unless it didn't make sense at all. xD
 
3:01 PM
greetings, people
@JourneymanGeek Did you get, like, any sleep? :D
 
greetings everybody :D
 
hi!
 
Why hello there, @abkumar. How are you?
 
thanks Mark , I am good and you
 
I'm doing great, thank you.
And just to let you know, you'll want to do something like @Mark, so that way the person who you're talking to will get notified.
 
3:12 PM
@Mark will do :) tx
do we have anyone who tested fedora 15 on thinkpads or virtualbox?
 
Does anyone have an idea how I can force IconCache.db to be smaller or so that it's not loaded on start up?
It takes 100 micro seconds of my boot time... :P
 
lol @TomWijsman
well how big is it?
 
Wow, a full 100microseconds eh?
 
8 MB
Yes, @Mokubai, on a SSD. :-/
 
@TomWijsman Maybe something like that? techrepublic.com/article/…
 
3:15 PM
You could potentially delete it as you're shutting down, but then Windows will take longer rebuilding it than it would have just loading it...
 
Because I think the Icons are being used the moment you visit the desktop, so in the end I would be faster on my desktop if I can get rid of the file.
@Mokubai: But that increases my shutdown time.
I'm trying to see how much I can really boil down the time to reboot...
 
If you want a lightning fast boot time, install Win98 or something... ;P
 
Or reinstall Windows every other day :D
 
Go for it, Clippy can help you!
 
3:17 PM
@slhck: My current boot time is lower than the boot time of a default installation... :)
 
Well that's neat! @TomWijsman
 
@Mokubai: The previous thing I got rid of was Windows Search, Everything and organizing my files and shortcuts ought to do the job for me... :)
 
Get rid of antivirus software, they can be quite bloated...
or just never shutdown your computer, always hibernate/standby it...
 
I've been running years without antivirus software... :)
But I kind of have the thought that how less I let the computer load how less that there is running idle in the background.
So it's a win/win situation
Hmm, should I put "Max Cached Icons" to 0 or to 1? xD
 
So fire up autoruns and nuke everything :)
 
3:21 PM
@TomWijsman Try setting it to -1 and see what happens!
 
@Mokubai or you can use soluto
 
Already done, I'm pruning things that can only be removed manually...
 
@HackToHell Soluto works well for most generic stuff, but autoruns would show you everything
 
lol I just commented on that answer
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A: Computer won't boot up (only beeps)

Andrejs CainikovsList of the computer POST / beep codes depending on the motherboard manufacturer is here and here.

 
I wonder if "Max Cached Icons" on 0 will disable it or will put it on infinite... :(
 
3:22 PM
maybe expecting him to add something about what the codes mean, but, yeah.. humm..
 
@Mokubai yes .. can remove dll drivers and other stuff used it to remove malware
 
Ah, seems the minimum value is 100.
 
Now that's a weird choice, is it?
 
Guess so.
Next up is my Firefox cache, which is a RAM disk I load on start up, also 100 micro seconds.
I could get it down from 250 MB to 125 MB or something...
 
Is the time you're saving here really worth the amount of time you're going to invest in trying to save it?
 
3:26 PM
Well, I leave that alone, won't notice those in the end anyway.
 
Have you done your cost/benefit study @TomWijsman ;P
 
@Mokubai: 200 micro seconds for Windows Search on a pruned down database...
@Mokubai: What cost? ^^
 
The cost in time of finding all these things when you could be actually using the computer...
 
Oh, by the way, these things I'm mentioning are shutdown. >_<
Boot trace is next...
@Mokubai: I like fiddling with these things... :)
500 milliseconds on Wireless Driver, meh, can't change much about that.
On a 5 seconds shutdown that's 10%... :P
Hmm, I think that the wireless service depends on the other services to shutdown.
 
Call it 5 minutes to search for the solution, minute or two to implement, then another minute to restart/test. Call it 10 minutes roughly. And this saves 200 micro (I'm assuming you did actually mean microseconds, rather than milliseconds) so that's 0.0002 seconds per boot saved. You would need to reboot 3,000,000 times (600 seconds divided by 0.0002), even if you meant milliseconds that still 3,000 reboots to see a benefit....
 
3:33 PM
Well, it's not always micro seconds, and I'm pruning multiple of them.
 
And even then you've lost the Windows Search function which can be a time saver in its own right...
I'm not meaning to put a downer on your efforts, just to point out that sometimes the costs outweigh the benefits...
 
Not if you sum them up...
Of course the benefits get smaller when I'm going further.
 
Which is why Soluto is the best option tbh, you can kill the main timewasters. The things that give little or no benefit require too much time to find/kill in the first place.
 
@Mokubai: Doesn't really matter, I spent as much time on Soluto to get to the same result.
 
Things like the icon cache are there to make the overall experience faster and deleting/minimising it may make your boot faster but slow down everything else by an order of magnitude...
 
3:37 PM
But in my case I can continue from where I got...
There is not a single difference without the cache, think about how they would load otherwise...
 
The cache is there so that the icons can all be loaded in one continuous batch (which costs less in terms of drive accesses) rather than lots of small individual seeks to files which could be all over the drive
 
'ello, @SimonSheehan
 
@Mokubai: On a SSD that doesn't make a difference...
 
Not as much of a difference I'll admit, but it is still a difference, an SSD is still not a RAM disk.
for each icon the system has to perform a lot more operations, "oh, I need an icon for this, where is it on disk, load file, show icon" rather than "is the icon in memory cache, yes, show icon"
 
Only for the first icons, not for each icon.
 
3:44 PM
for the first time it needs to load each icon...
Clearing the cache and having it rebuilt smaller could be useful, but outright removal would make things slower in the long run.
Over the course of the lifetime of using your computer that is...
 
4:02 PM
heya @MarkSzymanski
working on an essay, cant do much talking today :p
 
Heh, ok :P
 
I don't notice anything about icons slowing down things, as they're asynchronously loaded it doesn't bother the user experience.
Got of 5 to 10 seconds of the boot and 1 second of the shutdown, which is worth it.
Hmm, the RAM disk is 1 second on shutdown and 5 seconds on boot; but I bet it's simultaneously loaded during the boot.
 
 
5 hours later…
9:31 PM
Anyone particularly good in Gentoo and Xfce-ish stuff?
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Q: How do I install a volume control and support hardware buttons in Xfce on Gentoo?

Tom WijsmanI have got my audio card and alsamixer working on my Gentoo installation, as I'm too bored to visit that program all the time I need to make a subtle audio adjustment I'm looking forward to doing this with a volume control on my Xfce panel and/or the hardware audio keys just like I'm used to... ...

Got the pure basics working so I don't have to switch back and forth to Windows when I'm doing Linux-ish stuff for University.
 
I used to be into Gentoo, but lately, not so much... :)
 
But now I'm going to switch back to Windows.
Yeah, @Mokubai, I particularly like it because I can keep it as minimal and customized as I want to.
And optimized too. And I don't want to start from a Damn Small Linux...
 
If I were to go to linux then I'd probably use it for the same reason, customisable and is optimised for your processor
Anyway, g'night...
 
Night... :)
Hmm, seems I broke something.
tomwij is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
Seems etc-update overwrote my sudoers, should more carefully check it's changes...
 
I've got an old Dell (can't remember the number right now) and we want to use it in the living room attached to the TV so we can browse the web and use the BBC iPlayer etc. It's currently running Windows XP but that takes a while to boot (even if we reinstalled to clear out all the other applications). What would people recommend for a quick boot OS?
 
9:43 PM
@ChrisF: One option is to do Windows On/Off Transition Performance Analysis like I have been doing earlier today, another option is to install a Linux distribution that doesn't come with a lot of extras. Perhaps there are premade solutions, try asking on Super User as I feel it is a niche software question? :)
@ChrisF: Also, this article seems to feature some fast booting Linux distributions, although I doubt if they support the external screen / internet / sound combination well enough...
 
@TomWijsman Interesting - I asked here as I thought it would get closed straight away on SU.
@TomWijsman The external screen isn't an issue. The TV takes RGB input (we've got it working with XP) so it's just the normal screen as far as the computer is concerned.
 
Depends on the question, if it's easy to find on Google then probably. But if it's a hard thing to figure out for you then it's an actual problem that you have and then looking for advice / suggestions from niche experts should be perfectly fine...
 
I've only just started looking really. The initial plan was to use Chromium but we haven't succeeded in creating a bootable USB image yet and I beginning to think it won't work on the Dell anyway. So the fall back is Linux and the fall back for the fall back is to reinstall XP ;)
Funnily enough we'll also need to get a decent wireless keyboard with trackpad...
 
@ChrisF:
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Q: Considerations for keyboard with integrated mouse for HTPC dedicated to the TV?

Jon EricksonI have just dedicated a computer to my living room TV, to watch Hulu, movies, etc. You can think of it as a Media Center TV but I hardly use Media Center itself. What features would distinguish a good wireless, integrated keyboard / mouse combo for this environment? Range? Wireless technology? ...

But I guess you have already seen it earlier (through the niche meta question)...
 
@TomWijsman Yes - which prompted my comment.
 
10:10 PM
@ChrisF: e4rat.sourceforge.net + having concurency while booting if you have a multicore, apparently makes a huge difference
 
@JourneymanGeek: Interesting...
 
/me knows parallelising booting does, and its fairly simple to do
 
11:04 PM
Does anyone here by any chance live in the US and have Suddenlink as their ISP?
 

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