The Upper Room

3:05 PM

@DoesElishaspeak? I've been looking for a definite "Process of closing a Question" somewhere but can't seem to find it. Is it somewhere I have missed (before I ask it myself) I'm not even sure what the difference is between a Hold and a Close now that I think about it. I always assumed the Hold was just the period before the Close in the process.

We can discuss our questions more freely here @Andrew chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/39437/intermediate-state

Eagel

3:48 PM

@LeeWoofenden Hey Lee. I have been thinking That Revelation 21:23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. ..... Is saying that as is in genesis 1,14 That the sun and moon are created for seasons days and so on,for directions,we do not need that anymore because we have the source ,the glory.And the lamp is the lamb off course,but I have heard that the rabbis did teach the The Torah is the lamp for the eye

So the lamp is the Torah and the revelation of the Torah is Jesus and that is the glory of God and the glory is the bride.And sin leads us away from revelation and the coming of Jesus and the new jerusalem is the revelation of all things. What do you think about that?

5:41 PM

@Eagel Sorry to butt in, but the Torah is not the Lamp. The Lamb is the Lamp. The Scriptures say, "The Lamb is the Lamp". The Torah will be forgotten and will pass away. Jesus said, "For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

@Eagel Yahweh spoke through Prophet Isaiah spoke by the Spirit saying, “See, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind."

Stop looking to the Law. Look to the Lamb, for the Law is fulfilled in the Lamb, and the Law will pass away, but the Lamb will never pass away.

@Eagel Also, the glory is not the bride. The assembly of the elect, the holy ones, this is the bride. The Scriptures say, "Come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb. And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, having the glory of God... And the wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb."

Open your eyes and read the words before you that have been passed down to you. Everything has been made clear, and you are without excuse. Stop looking to the Torah. Look to the lamb. If you are child or a slave in exile, if you wander in the wilderness, then by all means look to the Torah. If you are a Son of God, and an heir with Messiah, then look to him.

6:53 PM

@Joshua DoesElishaSpeak is a bot. I don't think he's likely to answer your inquiry. :)

7:10 PM

@Flimzy ... Thanks. I'm aware. But I was replying to the content. Without it people may not know what I was referring to.

@Joshua ah, fair enough.

7:29 PM

@Joshua I think (this is unconfirmed) that "Closed" and "On Hold" are the same... but that we show "On Hold" for the first few days, to make it clear that it's not a permanent state. (Technically, "closed" isn't either)

7:53 PM

@LeeWoofenden Science can certainly study miracles.

@LeeWoofenden It helps to recall that nearly all educated western thought was done with Alchemy, and not modern science, in mind. Attempting to understand a Christian metaphysical framework in the context of modern scientific thought is folly. Attempting to understand the same in the context of Alchemy is golden. We have abandoned the foundation on which all western thought was built, and have expected its walls to keep standing.

@bruisedreed What is the community wiki?

@curiousdannii There is no conservation of mass/energy. Your physics is about 100 years behind.

8:10 PM

@Andrew Science can't study miracles (or, with rare exception, any other events) that happened ~2000 years ago.

@Flimzy If by study you mean "observe" then yes. But it can certainly investigate them.

@Andrew They can be investigated historically... And in a loose sense, history is a science, I suppose.

But unless you have an artifact that can be put under a microscope, it's pretty hard to do a scientific study on something in the past.

So a scientific study of one of Jesus' healings would be impossible. As would a scientific study of turning water to wine, or the feeding of the multitude.

@Flimzy An example is a source for this answer, that presents a scientific inquiry into hypothetical biological processes for virgin birth in humans, which was mentioned previously by Lee. Does this constitute "scientific study" of that miracle?

@Flimzy Doctors today would have you think they know everything, but there are many stories, even today, where doctors are confused by sudden healings. they certainly do "investigate" it, doing follow up tests and so on, only to still not understand how or what happened. But they don't exactly publish to journals about how "this person's cancer disappeared with no natural explanation" cause, well that wouldn't fit and it would be admitting they don't know.

8:32 PM

@Joshua Heck, they don't even agree on what constitutes a healthy diet.

@Andrew I forget, are Eggs good or bad for us this year?